Mini 1676 Marvel Mafia- Game Over

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/stop pm-ing me im here

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that nope was towards shinobi who asked if I've ever caught scum rolefishing

So why even bring it up if you know it doesn't work?

it does though

VOTE: saint

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also hi anti, mac, boo, bbt, hiplop, and anybody else I know.

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seriously, fuck spiderman

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no

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nononono

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hell

no

FOS Soren

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sweet. my vote is serious now.

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choo choo all aboard

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If saint is done demonstrating how badly his parents failed at raising him, I'd like to move on with the game. If not, I'd like him force replaced.

I want to say the flail looks like caught for the wrong reasons, but I'm possibly letting my opinion of him color my perception.

Anybody want to explain their town read on dragon?

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I stepped out of the thread last night to regain my calm. I will be back after work tonight.

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And yeah sthar you've been biased towards me from the start but Idc I'm only here to play with shinobi

WTF are you on about?

I don't see why everyone is so angry and I don't really think it's necessary.

Using 'autistic' as a pejorative is socially irresponsible and damaging. Equating it to 'idiot' is orders of magnitude more offensive. It aggressively isolates and stigmatizes autism spectrum people, who often already feel isolated and stigmatized and have plenty of other challenges to deal with without having to worry about judgmental people who can't be bothered to learn what autism actually is or keep their ignorant mouths shut.

Replace 'autistic' in his posts with any racial, gender, or sexual identity slur and maybe it'll help you see how awful what he said really was.

One of my boys and another of my game kids are high-functioning autistic. I have cared for six or seven nonfunctioning autistic kids.

That's the last I'll say about this.

If saint is done demonstrating how badly his parents failed at raising him, I'd like to move on with the game. If not, I'd like him force replaced.

I want to say the flail looks like caught for the wrong reasons, but I'm possibly letting my opinion of him color my perception.

Anybody want to explain their town read on dragon?

You want to explain your issue with dragon.

I don't have one. I just don't understand the townreads. I'm wondering if there's something I'm missing.

I am aware that antihero falls apart as scum, but I know he's not selectively lurking here.

is he?
maybe i can hear it from him and hopefully not have you feed him answers like that ever again this game.
pls and ty.

love

hell

no

FOS Soren

FOS me for what?

liking bad movies. solid scumtell.

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ugh what

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oh he's asleep still. I'll tell him when he gets up.

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So who are you scum reading star?

saint. not a lot of other exciting things going on, hence me digging into phantom townreads. there's a lot of fluff and non-game action that I find it difficult to read. soren is prob town, vilewhirl seems p town. I don't want to push the antihero thing too far yet because he's competent as town and obvious as scum, so there's no need for guessing. I'm confident that I'll pick up a read on boo as we go.

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hell

no

FOS Soren

FOS me for what?

liking bad movies. solid scumtell.

Funny.

Now what's your real reason?

I don't know, the movies are pretty bad...

obvtown

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Miles Morales is p great. Some of the spider-verse characters are cool. There were good spider-moments in Civil War and Hickman's FF. But otherwise, Peter Parker and all his derivatives are actually the worst.

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prodge. Loooong weekend, long day. I'll be in tomorrow.

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Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

yeah this needs to die

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@Shinobi- how old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

Pgaes 4,5 and 6 are full of shit.

You should all be embarrassed.

townposting

Because I don't give a fuck about meta? Yeah, that could be it.

But this makes me want to murder you to death.

I'm upset that I think I know those lyrics and it's from a Taylor Swift song.

Listen to the Postmodern Jukebox cover and you can like the song without being ashamed.

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

misapplied, inaccurate jeep tell. That's a +30, written by jeep himself on my tits at Mafiapalooza 2009 in Buenos Aires. I got it tattooed over the sharpie so I'd never forget.

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

scum

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

scum

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

"sthar is scum because he RVS'd me" Oh my god, you

actually

suck.

i don't actually know if he's scumreading you or just angry with what you said earlier.

We can have carrots

and

peas!

I half wondered if he was using what happened as a crutch.
Meh I might be an ass thinking that.

Let's be totally clear here: he's scummy af for in-game reasons, and I believe he has a scum pm.

The indecent and savage pleasure I'm going to get from lynching his ass and destroying his scumteam? Only tangentially related to the game.

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I'm trying to read you on behavioral tells.

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Children and young adults process things differently than older people do.

hmmmmmm

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VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

yeah this needs to die

you need to die

if sthar thinks hes good at mafia and thinks im scum he is sadly mistaken at both

#scumposting

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sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

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sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit, and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult. it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

abr - null to town

antihero - scum

bbt - slight scumlean
bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town
hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean
shinobi - conflict of interest

soren - mafia

sthar8 - mafia

vilewhirl - null

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day
i dont care how ridiculous it sounds, im actually putting in work and trying my best to decipher the game as a whole, instead of looking with some narrow fucking view in the present like most of you two bit pieces of shit do

scumposting

you are ignorant

You're scum

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Bulgington come vote saint with me. My wagon has spinners.

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Spoiler: The obvious things you should have seen in Saint's last few posts that make him scum, bolded for your convenience

Saint why you voting mac?

because i dont want to be lynched
because he talked shit about me apparently
because i want to
because i can
because im town interested in self preservation and he has a higher chance of being mafia than me
because a lot of people are suspicious of him and i dont want him to coast into lategame as scum saying if he was maf he would have been lynched D1
because im not going to let someone we can lynch now live later to shoot me

This is not scumhunting. It does not care about mac's alignment. It is trying for townreads based on repeated assertion. It contains an irrational appeal to fear. It is overblown and dramatic and ham-fisted, and it obviously only advances a scum win condition.

that's a JEEP tell in the early game to FoS your buddy and vote someone who is an easy mislynch

misapplied, inaccurate jeep tell.

That's a +30, written by jeep himself on my tits at Mafiapalooza 2009 in Buenos Aires. I got it tattooed over the sharpie so I'd never forget.

dragon why are you voting saint?
tell me about it.

also tell me why bbt shouldnt get deaded.

well i did call him autistic

scum-

He's preemptively discrediting dragon's thoughts as emotionally driven and trying to focus everyone on the non-alignment-indicative strawman of his deplorable behavior.

i think DS is town honestly
i think hes just tunneling me

scum-

light buddying by calling dragon town, then discredits with a buzzword

sthar8 tho is easily scum because it feels like he was pushing me before this all happened (from rvs) and isnt coming off of it. feels like what scum do on epicmafia.

"sthar is scum because he RVS'd me" Oh my god, you

actually

suck.- also, there's a non sequitur parallel there

VOTE: saint

I'm thinking saint and but are just going to keep giving me reasons to find them scummy.

scummy=/=scum

Yes, it actually is. By definition. This is attempting to set up an impossible standard for scumhunting. We're not allowed to vote him for acting like scum because we have no positive evidence, but he's allowed to vote people for being suspicious of him.

if sthar thinks hes good at mafia and thinks im scum he is sadly mistaken at both

#scumposting-

Argument by assertion for his own towniness, ad hom discredit on me. Typical fallacious rhetorical scumgarbage. But this one goes a layer deeper. By calling me an idiot for thinking he's scum, he's assuming that I'm town. He's admitting to having definite information about my alignment

sthar8 has 23 posts, all of which are him being full of shit,

argument by assertion, ad hominem

and he started tunneling me literally in his 2nd post; he hasn't stopped.
it's very scummy to tunnel as hard as he is with 0 reasoning

buzzwording, argument by assertion

"scum" "Scumposting" are things he throws out
his GREAT reasoning of "choo choo all aboard"

horse laugh

this is the type of illogical person full of idioms and nonsense. it's ridiculous a person like this is considered a mature adult.

Ad hominem, ad lapidem

it's not feasible to think that this is the case though. he isn't like this. he's doing this as a ploy because he is scum. he's viewing me as an easy mislynch.

appeal to fear

abr - null to town
antihero - scum

no previous mention of antihero, just a sudden scumread. but there was a wagon there before, which i'm sure he'd like to see revived...

bbt - slight scumlean

another big wagon that isn't saint

bookitty - probably town
dragonspawn - gut town
farside22 - strong town

strongly pushing a wagon that isn't saint, you mean

hiplop - i want to say town
mac - minimal townlean

townread that he totally wants to lynch with a week to deadline

shinobi - conflict of interest

"I want to play with shinobi" "I cannot commit to a read of shinobi" he's fencesitting because he doesnt know if the buddying is working

soren - mafia

low hanging counterwagon

sthar8 - mafia

can't argue or buddy me off, so I must be the scum push. But he was assuming I was town just a couple posts ago...

vilewhirl - null

These reads are mostly nonsensical and fake

ive actually been skimming isos for associative tells and i found some between sthar and antihero i believe, if scum have a closed QT during the day

Pre-flip associatives. The classiest way to line up mislynches.

This whole post has nothing of substance in it. It is 100% self-preservation and manipulative rhetoric and 0% scumhunting

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i really miss bulge.
whatever happened to that guy.

maybe he found his D

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@Shinobi- happy birthday!

Star and hiplop who else are you scum reading and why?

Antihero, until he does something. And Shinobi, maybe. And we'll figure out who the rest of the team are after we lynch saint.

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Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

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this entire thing is bad

unexplained town and scum reads

and responds to irrelevant things

read better. things will make more sense

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it's annoying to write long posts on a phone

and i got to it in my daily digest post

and it should be pretty obvious

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Look I could cut all that up into it's constituent fallacious crap, but he's broken record player. He's not looking for scum, he wants an easy wagon, and his responses to people are 'you're stupid' 'you're scum' and 'you're mean.'

His posts are all ATE and ATF and ad hom because he's got nothing else. This is textbook badscum, let's lynch him and work out the associatives.

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Crappy posting is more likely to piss off town than scum because scum can just skip most of it. They don't need to work out anyone's alignments.

ok then why the fuck are you voting me?

your posting towards me has been utter shit and it is pissing me the fuck off

Obviously it's because i dont like you. im probably jealous because you're a misunderstood genius and also i'm mean and rude and i kick puppies or whatever else it was you said.

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saint - i think he's too scummy to be scum. Scum would at least try to appear more townie. So town read.

he's trying, he's just bad at it

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you can say im a broken record player but at least im posting more content and amount than you. it is easier for people to read me because im actually responding to everyone unlike you. you're hiding your alignment behind tunneling 1 player the entire game.

You're trying to scare me off your wagon with buzzwords, but it's not going to work. I agree that you're easier to read than I am, since people are asking questions about me and people are voting for you.

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oh shit im ironman

cool

Superior or regular?

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oh shit im ironman

cool

Superior or regular?

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Saint, you have an ego problem my friend.

You should address that if you want to enjoy your stay on this site.

he probably doesn't. he's just trying to make the conversation about emotion rather than fact because he feels like he has an edge there.

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scum {saint}
scummy {anti, shinobi}
idgaf {hiplop, BBT, vilewhirl, ABR, farside, mac}
town{dragon, boo, soren}

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antihero is notoriously bad at scum. he falls apart.

he's not here, so he might be hiding from the thread.

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sure, but it's the same species as my read on boo. if he's town, he'll feel the need to do things and be useful.

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Naw. Saint.

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Star is scum.
Discuss

I think I've only played with Sthar once in a game in which he was third party and I was a late replacing scum. (I'm about to leave for home, so I will look it up later if someone wants to know what game it was.) I don't have a good read on him but he's not near the top of my scumlist.

protown third party. And you're getting a mollie-read from me because of Poe

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Dragonspawn is scum

Discuss

Star is scum.
Discuss

I'm really quite obviously not. Vote saint with me.

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cmooooonnnnnnnn

if you vote saint i'll put pop machines in the cafeteria and recess will be 15min longer

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Sure, but he's not gonna. My other scumread is shinobi, and antihero if he keeps lurking (which he's totally doing right now). Most everyone else is in the "reads will improve as the game goes on" pile. There are some pretty sweet associatives with saint, but applying those d1 is bad play.

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Oh right, Shinobi's pinging me because he's really not a presence in the thread except the couple of times he's been in the spotlight. I feel like he might be coasting.

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no? it's day 1 and I'm playing with limited information. That's like mafia 101: no associatives before the flip.

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yeah when i'm not mobile.

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Others are lurking. Why is anti scum for it?

You're missing the point. I have history with antihero. We have worked closely discussing theory. We're on the same team in a certain sitewide event. I know what the sweat on his ass tastes like. I know the gerbils running the wheels in his head by their first names.

Either a) Antihero is scum, and by my scumreading him he is forced to choose between producing content that will make him obvious scum or he is obvious scum for his scummeta of lurking
or b) Antihero is town, and my scumread on him reminds him to get his ass back into the game and be useful.

There is not a lose in there.

Oh right, Shinobi's pinging me because he's really not a presence in the thread except the couple of times he's been in the spotlight. I feel like he might be coasting.

Can you tell me what you accomplished with the whole "age" thing you were asking me about earlier?

Well, you seem to care more about the thread when you're in the spotlight. That's a slight scumtell, unless you're a teenager in which case it's completely null.

I only see the one question. If there's another quote it for me?

@all I'm gonna be V/LA this weekend. Taking one of my boys across the state for a concert friday night and staying Saturday, then coming home for another show Sunday night. I might be posting in the evenings, but I won't be back to normal until Monday.

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[quote="In post 826, sthar8]

@all I'm gonna be V/LA this weekend. Taking one of my boys across the state for a concert friday night and staying Saturday, then coming home for another show Sunday night. I might be posting in the evenings, but I won't be back to normal until Monday.

[/quote]

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@all I'm gonna be V/LA this weekend. Taking one of my boys across the state for a concert friday night and staying Saturday, then coming home for another show Sunday night. I might be posting in the evenings, but I won't be back to normal until Monday.

Kindly read my fucking posts.

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if you're so certain of your meta on anti, sthar8, that sounds like a really good lynch to me

Didn't read my post. Is grasping for straws. He doesn't really believe in the antihero push, he just wants a wagon that is not him.

What's townie about Hiplop?

This is not good enough when we have obvious scum.

What. The. Fuck. Policy lynches are almost always awful decisions, and this one might be on the upper tier? What has the guy done thats all that bad?

Read my posts please.

Saint was hyperreactive, overemotional, insulting and I did not like it. I don't have any meta context and so far I haven't had time to go diving for any, but I'd have to if I wanted to use these playstyle issues as a reason to vote him. So I'm chalking it up to playstyle because of my own laziness right now.

He's persistently pushing the discussion away from any logical conclusions. His game actions indicate that he wants a low-information easy lynch.

@all- look at how many weird pushes we've had since the saint-case started gaining traction. His partners are desperately hoping for a counterwagon. He needs to be the lynch today.

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He just seems toxic and careless to me. Toxic is usually hated by people and scum tend to be nicer in the beginning and buddy up.
Plus no one cares about saint. Everyone has interacted with him. There is no weird or awkward posting.
Just spazzing post that at best is null.

1) Associatives before a flip.
2) His toxic shit came after a 'joke' that he probably thought was endearing. He gets called out on it and suddenly we're all assholes because we don't 'get' him. Then take a look at all the buddying he did after that.
3) toxic is a fine scumtool anyway so your point is just wrong

The bottom of this is how I feel about star.
It's all he has pushed. It's easy and it's the only really point he's pushed all game.

See the thing is, you're pushing me for not changing my opinion when there has been no indication that I'm wrong. The only counterargument has been "saint acts like a bad person, why would he do that as scum." I hate to break it to you, but I don't think Jingle administered a personality test before he assigned the roles.

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cant tell if sthar is stubbornperson with being too overly focused.

Tell me how I'm wrong. Spoiler: I'm not.

is there any good reason abr isnt best wagon atm?
like.
does anyone actually think hes town?

case wagon> lurker wagon

Saint's recent posts are also terrible.

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Yeah I'm getting quotes tonight and telling the little one to leave me along for an hour to get through my issues with your "case"

Okay. Sure. And if they're salient, I'll listen. But when your counterargument is 'no, you're wrong,' you're not doing anything to change my mind. And when the next step is 'you're scum for not changing your mind,' you're being mindblowingly stupid. If you're town, you need to get your shit together.

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and youre calling his latest posts bad without going into detail.
say whats bad about them.

hey so

we've been over this before

i work during daytime hours

so you're not getting wallposts or digests until i get home

i feel like every day i hear 'sthar's case is bad' until the end of the day then 'man thats great'

somebody needs to work on pattern recognition

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i just got some bad news wrt one of the kids. i'm very frustrated right now and i'm stepping out.

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digest will be tomorrow, it's late.

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the farside is scum for no reason mantra

I bet you've been dying to drop that quote at some point.

wtf is this post

Saint's readslist is hilariously scummy.

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farside can we talk about saint

we both wanted to the other night, i assume you got busy and I fell asleep.

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to head off the obvious joke, yes that describes my love life as well

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i feel like bookitty IS self preserving by acting so stubborn

im not unvoting

I'm not caught up, but this is the sloppiest, shiitiest scumposting and you should all be embarrassed that it isn't dead yet. Remember a few days ago when self-preservation was totally a town thing that town saint would do omg you guis I promise?

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VOTE: boo

just in case

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sorry, i was six pages back and i forgot the time

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No, I'm fucking at work like a normal human adult. Fuck you

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Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

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Instead of chatting, how about you play a game you signed up to play as it's hitting the deadline?

How does that sound?

How about you go fuck yourself with something sharp? I'm at work to pay my goddamn bills, and thats gonna take precedence over a stupid fucking internet game played with some shithead with an impulse control problem, someone who thinks disabilities are funny and a pair of people who can't do fucking math.

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Sthar: why'd you vote boo?

because the last vote in the thread is for boo. i'm not fucking caught up yet

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Just an FYI. I'm always phone posting.
It's a bad excuse in my book

i dont give a shit. i'm not you. tell me what i can and cant do some more, it's real fucking cute

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Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

I accept the fact that things can happen and mistakes are made, but I/we expect you to deliver something big tomorrow. If you goof around and don't obvtown and help us figure this thing out, we WILL lynch you.

i gave you an all star case today and you fucked it up

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ou just said you saw people asking for you and during that time people wanted you to vote dragon.

no, i said i saw the time. read words

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hey so

would you all rather I let a nolynch happen?

at least some of you are being super fucking stupid

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Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

I'm just going to quote the important part.

i saw jingle post in chat. then saw the time. then came in here. did you think i was referring to jingle posting in here? which fucking post would that be?

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When I'm trying to catch up on a game he's modding, yes it fucking does

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Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

I'm just going to quote the important part.

i saw jingle post in chat. then saw the time. then came in here. did you think i was referring to jingle posting in here? which fucking post would that be?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6923446

1. i did not know that was in thread
2. that was an hour ago

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not a one of you can say why voting to prevent a nolynch is scummy. At least one of the people pushing this assertion is scum.

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Sthar, do you think it would have made more sense to start from the latest page given you knew what time the deadline was?

No thats fucking stupid. what does starting on the last page tell me?

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Yeah, I saw you chatting you fucking dipshit.

Yeah. On my fucking phone. While I'm reading the game that you're consistently fucking up. I saw Jingle post and I went OH SHIT DEADLINE and rushed in here. That should be fucking obvious

I'm just going to quote the important part.

i saw jingle post in chat. then saw the time. then came in here. did you think i was referring to jingle posting in here? which fucking post would that be?

You did say you were reading the game.
What else would I think?

well you could read my words. then you would know I was six pages back.

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No thats fucking stupid. what does starting on the last page tell me?

How is it fucking stupid?

You find out exactly where the game is at. Like, you knew deadline was close, what made you think you had enough time to catch up? Why wouldn't you see what the viable wagons were, join one, AND THEN see if you had the time to read the thread?

because i thought i'd be caught up. and lost track of time. i already fucking apologized for that

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also i literally just did that when i realized what time it was.

bbt- what is the scum motivation for my hammer? why would i not just lurk out the no lynch?

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You could have done.

Your scum motivation was avoiding the Dragon wagon whilst trying to appear 'pro-town' by voting the Boo wagon.

and the town motivation was hammering someone who had already claimed VT to avoid a no-lynch at any cost. This is you applying associatives before a flip again, which must be a particularly contagious kind of idiocy since everyone in here seems to be doing it.

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wait my vote wasnt even the fucking hammer?

[sthar8]

and the town motivation was hammering someone who had already claimed VT to avoid a no-lynch at any cost. This is you applying associatives before a flip again, which must be a particularly contagious kind of idiocy since everyone in here seems to be doing it.

You're not understanding.

Your vote was NOT NEEDED to lynch Boo.

We were calling for your vote to lynch Dragon for 10-15 mins as we needed it. As soon as we switched to Boo, BAM! you were there with the vote.

I didnt fucking know that, obviously.

but this is still associatives before the flip. what happens to your dragonread if i flip town? what happens to your read of me if he flips town?

[sthar8]

You could have done.

wait what the fuck is this then? I

couldn't

have lurked out. Boo was getting lynched anyway.

[sthar8]

Like, none of your reactions actually make sense now. What the fuck is going on here?

[sthar8]

Wow.

WTF Sthar.

I fucking knew he was reading.

Please, please, please, lynch him tomorrow.

What the fuck is this? How does that vote make any sense if I'm caught up? Town or scum?

[sthar8]

we're assuming that i knew exactly what was going on AND that I had no idea

[sthar8]

And vile hammered boo, not sthar.

This.

I still dont see a case on dragon.

Cause there isn't one. Deadline approached and they panicked.

Assuming this is true, it's scummy as fuck

[sthar8]

fuck off farside I saw the claim

[sthar8]

ABR, BBT, Dragon, Farside, Vile are all unlynchable barring counters. Can we not have any more PRs claim please?

[sthar8]

although actually I'd like flavor claims from farside and dragon

[sthar8]

Boo seemed pretty adamant that farside reading her wrong means that far side is scum so,

VOTE: farside

This post jumped you into my scumreads, actually.

I've decided that BBT is actually just bad at mafia.

farside, when you're done calling me an idiot can you take a moment to think about how you're voting the only person here who demonstrated awareness of your claim before you made it explicit? You're playing like shit and I need you to step it up since this is probably your last DP. You never got to explaining why saint is town yesterday, and I thought it was just because you're scum. But apparently that's not true so maybe now would be a good time?

townabr is "lol i dont care about my win condition im gonna do whatever i want and not think about the consequences"

This is punishable ftr. If you see people doing it you should report it to the listmods so they don't shit up games.

Vilewhirl you're just one player lol, you don't speak for everyone else. You don't threaten me with your opinion, you can form whatever opinion you like and it won't affect me.

Your claim fits with your day1 play so I'm going to assume it's legit. If you're scum lying, your claim won't fit with the setup balance and we'll lynch you. If you're town lying, your claim won't fit with the setup balance, we'll lynch you, and we'll lose the game to you being an egotistical moron. I'm not going to jump to conclusions until that happens.

But Vile's opinion is not exclusive to them. I've seen you ruin games before. If you're fucking this one over, it'll earn you a spot on my blacklist and almost certainly the mod's.

I'm Robert Reynolds. Aka the Sentry.

You're confirmed town. From your claim and from this.

I don't see how ABR/myself are cleared.

1) If he's scum, clearing you narrowed the lynch pool and was a low EV play unless he thinks he can skate alone till endgame. Clearing you if you're scum together is better EV, but too ballsy to happen given that he had no information about potential investigatives when he made the claim. Likewise, it would have been miles better for him to save his claim and use it for value rather than claiming unprompted.
2) If he's scum, when we've outed enough roles his won't make sense balance-wise. Lie Detector is a zero utility role for scum, which means it would be a fakeclaim.
3) he pretty clearly was fishing for you to say something he could lie detect with his 'can i trust you' posting yesterday. and using a 1-shot lie detect to confirm a player into a townbloc is pretty solid.

this is all pretty basic stuff.

[sthar8]

Saint is still scum.

VOTE: Saint

the others are Soren and one in {hiplop, mac, antihero}

[sthar8]

Ok that's a fantastic claim too.

[sthar8]

what does the picture look like, farside? is it a little kid or a guy with a beard?

[sthar8]

Where did hiplop claim to know what I was hinting at?

When I wrote that I hadn't seen your hiplop vote yet. Catching up at work between customers, as per usual.

[sthar8]

Mutton is delicious

[sthar8]

who?

[sthar8]

that was a pithy joke summarizing my opinion of hiplop in this game

[sthar8]

Saint is still scum.

VOTE: Saint

the others are Soren and one in {hiplop, mac, antihero}

I juuuust posted that. I'll post more after D&D. Long post unless the kiddo needs me.

[sthar8]

I'm going to assume that saint feels that acting like a shithead is a legitimate scum strategy. And that he feels like he can get us to lynch an uncountered protective role.

Can we kill him?

[sthar8]

that was a pithy joke summarizing my opinion of hiplop in this game

i started the wagon on bookitty and was a big pusher for the 2 other huge wagons yesterday

really think ive done nothing? objectively wrong.

Care to back that up, tex?

[sthar8]

quotes please

[sthar8]

He's proving to me that he did things yesterday. I'm moved by that strong case and all the effort he put into that push.

[sthar8]

Sthar, it sounds like you want to fight me.

You wanna fight?

On Friday I was in a mood to beat your adolescent ass. But over the weekend I realized that that was mostly me being frustrated and angry at things that have nothing to do with you. And now I know you're just reaching dumb conclusions, not trying to manipulate people in the worst way possible.

What I would really like is for you to take your head out of your ass and relieve some of the pressure so you can think clearly.

[sthar8]

Hey farside

guess what

saint didnt catch your claim.

[sthar8]

Alright.

Now, if we lynch Saint Today, both Hiplop and Mac will make it to D3 having provide next to nothing the entire game.

Would you be happy with that game-state?

All three of these options are interchangeable, except saint has obvious scum motive for his badposting.

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i'd still like reasons for dragon being town.

1)he's an uncountered believable investigative. his role is testable. That makes it both unlynchable and untenable for scum
2) claiming where he did served only to confirm farside and pseudoconfirm you. There's no reason for scum to want MORE confirmed players
3) The Sentry is my favorite marvel character and the mod and I share a comics collection. If he were faking he probably would have picked someone more recognizable and not evil.

[sthar8]

No clue.
Some games have it and some don't.
Not all mod's say if there is day chat.
I guess it can't hurt to ask.

Mod: does scum have day chat?

probably. It's a Jingle game.

[sthar8]

oh ok i see what you're doing

[sthar8]

i wish we had a vig. vigs need to happen more in games.

[sthar8]

firstly he could have inferred that because of whatever in the hell abr is, there probably wasnt going to be another investigative or something.

what?

there could also be another investigative that hasnt claimed yet because 1for1 might not be the best course of action.
secondly, the only person he was 'confirming' is farside and it still leaves room open for a counterclaim later and the obvious benefit as scum is him gaining mountains of towncred.

so until we see one of those counterclaims that might or might not exist, we treat him like his role is real. We'll get to massclaim in two daysish and if it doesn't work out then we can revisit him. That's how uncountered claims work.

if hes town he made the wrong call by claiming here. farside wasnt going to get lynched. why draw attention to yourself and ruin your role? that doesnt make any sense to me.

I agree, and it makes even LESS sense from scum. At least from town you have the innate desire to put his investigative result to use.

not like fakeclaims are going to be a thing in this game heavily based on known flavour..

Jingle likes the character too much to have him be a fakeclaim that maybe gets used. And it's much more likely that the fakeclaim characters are obvious good guys. Whether there's a theme to the scumteam or not, Jingle wouldn't want his fakeclaims to fit into a perceived mafia theme.

[sthar8]

It's the second easiest townread in the game after farside

[sthar8]

blargh

[sthar8]

BLARGH

[sthar8]

I don't know what Sthar is doing.

Realigning my ribs and shitting out pieces of my spine until I'm ready to vote hiplop.

I'm just about there.

Can you explain to me rationally why saint is town?

[sthar8]

sigh... the VCA on this one looks mostly good to me. intent to hammer on monday morning.

[sthar8]

but can someone please fucking talk to me about saint?

seriously all i'm getting is "you're right he's scummy" "no he's town" and "you're scummy for talking about him"

[sthar8]

@mod can you prod or replace antihero?

[sthar8]

Prodding Antihero and Vilewhirl.

@mod can you prod or replace antihero?

did he pick it up?

[sthar8]

VOTE: Saint

That post is scummy for a lot of other reasons.

I'm gonna see if I can tear it up before the kiddos get here.

[sthar8]

id like to reread this game, but... 86 pages... no chance.

He's clearly not been reading along in the first place, especially given his jump on farside. Lazy isn't strongly alignment indicative, but representing that he's read or knows what's going on and trying to take actions based on his fabricated gamestate points to him wanting to maintain

the appearance

of contributing. Town would be honest. He looks like he doesn't want to put in the effort because he doesn't care who we lynch (so long as it's not him) , which means scum.

I feel like we have to trust Farside. My townread on ABR has been dwindling; dude isn't helping

The bad reaction to his push on farside guaranteed this change in opinion. But he doesn't want to close the lynch pool down too much, so he needs doubt on at least one claim. And Vilewhirl already suggested that they might be willing to discount ABR's claim.

I secretly feel like Sthar8 is town, and he just wants to lynch me just to lynch me because he's someone that doesn't like me, and holds a grudge

The grudge that I've supposedly held since before he posted like an asshole. Saint got no traction with the push on me today (that he thought would be easy given BBT's blowup yesterday) so he's backpedaling to the discredit.

Anti_Hero... I could easily see him as scum. My vote is fairly serious. I don't like the lurky behavior, and if he is town, so what? I mean it's not so what, because let's face it, we don't have mislynches for days... we are behind this game because of that painful bookitty mislynch which would have been something people screamed against at the top of their lungs earlier on on d1. This really bolds and emphasizes the point someone made in that D1 should have ended around 20 pages as opposed to 1million. Back on track, though, I really would at least like this slot replaced by someone who would be more active and helpful, in case it IS a townslot, and he's just a liability.

First off, lurking might be alignment indicative but flaking absolutely is not. Everyone who isn't conftown who asked for anti votes in the last couple pages is now suspect, and everyone who is conftown should be embarrassed by their shit opinion. This is opportunistic and scummy, he's looking for an easy mislynch on someone who cannot defend themselves, and he's already prepping to distance himself from the fallout should anti flip town. His comment on the Boo lynch being bad in the same breath as suggesting that we lynch a slot with no alignment indicators reads as cheeky gloating.

there's more, but the boy just showed up. I'll get back to it later.

[sthar8]

you recently played in a team mafia game in which you tunneled someone basically the entire time as scum, yes? whats different between here and there and why should i not want to lynch you for your super overfocused view on saint?

Do you have any town meta on me to compare? Did you recognize that the point of pushing egg in that game was to argue with pie? Are there any parallels to here other than "OMG ONE STRONG READ?!"? Do you actually have a point, or an instance of me furthering a scum wincon, or anything other than paranoia because I played a scumgame well?

[sthar8]

hip has just been on Soren and from what i see was little to no reason.
Just my 2 cents.
I just feel like saint is the sacrifically VI, no offense

attitude is not alignment indicative.

intelligence is not alignment indicative.

he is doing things that explicitly make it harder for town to win. no matter how abrasive and dumb he is, his reads only make sense from the perspective of scum.

[sthar8]

.
maybe im a dufus but like, there hasnt been any kind of active push to lynch anyone other than hiplop other than by like maybe me? maybe?

My push apparently doesn't count, but I'm still scummy for making it? I feel like there's a double standard here.

[sthar8]

tunneling on a single person gives you the ability to focus all of your effort towards a single read.

But I'm not doing that, despite all the assertions otherwise...

[sthar8]

Why is saint's post scummy sthar?

This is why I didn't post last night, jsyk. This is 15 posts after I made a wall explaining why that post why scummy. If you can't be bothered to read the thread, replace out.

Has anyone else noticed that once saint started getting townread for acting dumb he became an order of magnitude dumber?

Star: Besides Saint I want to know who else you are scum reading and why at this point

As of this post, I would lynch in {hiplop, mac} if I don't get saint.

hiplop because he spent day1 active lurking and tried to misrepresent that, and i like the look of his wagon.

Mac for beetlejuicing and trying to open the lynch pool.

Shin is a distant third because of a recent bad series of posts, but we're not going into that until we burn through the actually-scummy players.

Welcome titus. When was the last time we played together?

[sthar8]

nice

@all-Jingle and I will be V/LA tomorrow because we're driving to Portland and back. I'm going to remind him to do a votecount tonight.

[sthar8]

Jingle might still be asleep. We got home at 6am. I'm trying to slam together a post but I'm also doing catchup at work.

[sthar8]

Shinobi is someone I would have considered vigging.

Shinobi was a shit vig in context, but there's nothing to be done about it now. That's actually true of most of the PR play in this game.

[sthar8]

saint, mac, one of titus/soren. in that order

[sthar8]

Shinobi wasn't much of a loss. He wasn't doing anything. He didn't add anything to the game. He wasn't high on anyone's scum lists that I noticed but he could have easily been scum.

So we know we have a cig. I guess that's something.

yeah but soren or saint are much MUCH better targets. Both lurking, both not reading the game, both the subject of hotly contested wagons.

[sthar8]

[sthar8]

So I'm in this place where there are three scum in like four players, five if you include me. I don't think we can lose this.

VOTE: Saint

[sthar8]

If you had read the game you'd probably understand where I'm coming from.

[sthar8]

Really? Suspecting you equals bad?

Exactly why should I be townreading you? Other answers on the topic have ranged from "too stupid to be scum" to "too rude to be scum" so I'm interested in your take.

[sthar8]

Clearly. Please explain how that claim comes from town.

[sthar8]

EBWOP- "clearly" referring to the end of 2448

[sthar8]

Clearly. Please explain how that claim comes from town.

if i was maf id have claimed something else, not at all, or youd be townreading me

fucking what

[sthar8]

vt. because scum never claim vt, apparently.

[sthar8]

Scum are Mac and Soren. BBT, you should unvote. FFS you caught Titus trying to open the lynch pool to include ABR, why the fuck would she challenge a balance-clear on her buddy?

We don't need to rush this. I'll be back after work with a case as to why.

I am somewhat concerned that the three conftown just all said they want to lynch me. Any particular reason?

[sthar8]

This is nothing like my scumplay in TM. The point of that was to pick a fight. Who have I been picking a fight with here, other than the shitbrained cheater?

[sthar8]

Like, where's the necromancy? Or the bussing? I was killing people who agreed with me in order to keep them from reevaluating their opinions. I turbobussed Thor on day one to prove that I could win through that. The only parallel I see is that I've had a strong scumread and I've been pushing it, which happens in like 90% of my games. Do I really strike you as the kind of person to sit around with my thumb in my ass and sheep because I don't feel like developing an opinion?

[sthar8]

I am somewhat concerned that the three conftown just all said they want to lynch me. Any particular reason?

Well I think it's in Soren/mac/you.

This is obviously true. Like, I said that yesterday. There are two scum in {me, soren, Mac}. Obviously that's a really easy call for me, since I saw my role PM and it said 'God of Thunder, town.' But I have evidence for the other two and if you pick wrong here we lose, so please give me the time I need.

[sthar8]

I apologize for the second quote.

[sthar8]

i want sthar's words on why abr is conftown.

Balance. This is a standard cop/doc/vig setup with the cop investigations split between two players to prevent follow-the-cop. Rolecop does jack-shit with one shots, so I bet we have another scum role as well to offset the extra confirm.

Believing an investigative until massclaim is SOP. And another investigation would have counterclaimed by now. I talked about this right after he claimed.

Your claim fits with your day1 play so I'm going to assume it's legit. If you're scum lying, your claim won't fit with the setup balance and we'll lynch you.

Also, you correctly pegged Titus' 'conversation' with ABR yesterday as an attempt to open the lynch pool and fuck the POE. That's enough to clear him by itself.
tl;dr ABR is town and you need to not waste time thinking about him. Next question please?

[sthar8]

VOTE: Soren obvious to me, but it also fits with the missed farside kill.

I'm dealing with some (more) shit at home right now. If the conftowns have questions for me, ask.

[sthar8]

I'm still dealing with the fallout of last friday night. Car is gonna be $2500 to fix, plus i'm spending a good bit of every day getting rides to and from work. I'll be here tonight or tomorrow but meatworld takes precedence.

[sthar8]

@Jingle- mom says you were supposed to call her when you got there.

I'm knocking together a post right now.

[sthar8]

OK guys, a couple points:

- On day 3, we had 9 players alive. 3 scum, 6 town. Four of those town (dragon, BBt, Vile, ABR) were confirmed or pseudoconfirmed due to role interactions. That meant scum had two remaining mislynches (me and saint) and they needed to hit BOTH of them to win. Now here's the cute part. Whether scum was lynched or not, they still needed the same two mislynches to win. No amount of bussing increases the number of mislynches, and scum would be happy to just kill conftown every night. So long as one of them is townier than the two mislynches, they still win. That's incentive to bus early and often, since towncred from catching scum is more valuable than a suspect vote from a buddy when attempting to secure a mislynch.

The only way scum could possibly make this stage of the game easier was to introduce a third viable mislynch. Titus made the risky push on ABR, and both of her partners jumped on her when it didn't work out.

The whole team was trying to find that third mislynch:

Spoiler: quotes

in fact, sthar, how the fuck is it a scum move to open up the lynch pool.

what a load of big, sweaty balls that scumread on me is

Saying my goose is cooked because ABR's thought process does not add up I want him to explain is laughable.

What happened to lynching saint, abr?

Do you ever explain your votes abr?

- Sorin may have like 100 posts more than me, but he's been active lurking all game. The signal to noise ratio in his ISO is atrocious, and he's consistently been behind on the game.

The bookitty wagon is confirmed to have been all town.

Antihero, Mac, and Soryn were coasting by while the town lynched boo, because they

didn't have to do anything

.

Farside claimed doctor in thread on day 1, then survived the first night.

Antihero, Mac, and Sorun were all consistently catching up and not reading the thread closely. Soran even voted her going into day 2.

-Soron never pushed a real case on anyone all game, just vague suspicions. He was trying not to be seen on any wagons. He was, however, online and active during deadline on day1, when he refused to hammer boo because his 'heart couldn't take it' or some shit. Actually, he didn't want to hammer because ignoring power,

a no lynch at 13 players was just as good for scum as a town lynch.

Refusing to hammer, he doesn't have to be seen on the town wagon, he doesn't increase the number of mislynches scum needs, and town goes into night without the information from a flip. He instead spent the end of the day blaming others for the impending no-lynch and attempting to set up the lynches for the next few days:

Spoiler: quotes

ABR has been a big disappoint, expected him to play better but he's offered zilch to the game and he's just sarcastically sheeping people.

Having said that, that's not enough for a scum read nor is it sufficient for one. But if he keeps that up day 2 he's getting lynched.

Ok i apologise for being hostile

But you're getting lynched tmrw.

Scum team is dragon, Farside and star

Yeah, I still think it's more interesting that you towned me without a flip, Farside. You were begging for a hammer and then when you got one you had this epiphany that I was town without even seeing the flip.

That's a pretty bad slip, folks. Don't let them distract you with Sthar now.

Yeah that's really odd.

She's getting lynched after sthar

[sthar8]

@mod I'm voting sauron and he's voting me...

[sthar8]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[sthar8]

Whatever. Same shit all game.
"I think saint's scum, can anybody tell me why he isn't"

"Nope, but you're scummy because you didn't change your mind"

Short posts while I'm at work are scummy.

Long posts after work are scummy.

I'm scum for prod dodging? And pushing my scumread.

Saren's town for active lurking and never having a scumread.

Not to mention the army of shit stuffed strawmen he just posted.

I'm tired of being the only one who gives a shit, then getting scum read for it.

I'm going camping, and I hope the game's over by the time I get back because I'm fucking done.

Do what you want.

[sthar8]

^ yeah that one, right there. "Oh he might have logic and reasoning and I've been a useless sack of shit all game, but watch out guys! HE'S JUST TRYING TO TRICK YOU" Give me a break. That's an obvious, shitty appeal to fear. Its a testament to how bad this town has been that transparent scum like you is still alive.

[sthar8]

Also, Prodding sthar8.

i told you in person i would be v/la this weekend. and i announced it in thread.

[sthar8]

Calm your shit. I'm working on it.

[sthar8]

I'm pretty pissed, actually.

[sthar8]

p-edit pissed that this fucking game isn't over because the two conftown are playing like shit. Pissed that the mod feels the need to prod me because he wasn't listening. Pissed that we probably lose this game solely because saint is a cheater. Pissed that I'm losing to a scumteam so bad that it missed a doc claim, because our power roles made every choice wrong.

take your pick.

You were told why Saint wasn't scum, multiple times. You decided to ignore this and continue your tunnel on him.

fucking quotes, because this is bullshit. Not one person made an argument for why saint was town other than "he's too dumb to be scum" which is patently stupid. I didn't ignore shit, I repeatedly asked for engagement and got... fucking nothing. If you had a problem with what I was doing, you had

days

to engage with me. But you didn't.

You gave a shit this game? Could have fooled me...I would hate to see you not giving a shit in a game.

Fuck right off. I put more effort into this game than soren. Or mac. Or antihero. Or farside, shinobi, or ABR. And I've certainly put more effort into LYLO than you have, despite the fact that my opinion and vote shouldn't fucking matter at all if you were doing your job.

I did, but Sthar has tunneled Saint all game and done nothing else.

Bull. Shit.

Whoever is town out of Soren/Sthar is doing an embarrassing job in MyLo.

You know what? Fuck you. I was in a car accident nine days ago and had two full weekend obligations in meatworld. And I still managed to put up a case when lazy conftown whined that I should do their job for them.

You've been prod dodging and doing nothing all day, but MY play is embarrassing? Seriously?

Whatever problem you have with me is obviously personal. You haven't been rational all game. You scumread me at the end of day1 for what was an objectively town motivated play. And now I'm scum because

you

could never be bothered to interact with me over my scumreads. Instead of Soren who has actually done nothing town aligned all game. The ego on you is ridiculous.

Also, in 662 Sthar says he finds Anti scummy for his lurking. He states this again in 755 and 757. Continues into 811 and 826 (all of this without his vote on Anti). I agreed with Saint's point about Sthar/Anti in 831 which Sthar replies weakly to in 918.

You're missing the whole point of that. I pushed anti early because if he had been town, it would have encouraged him to get involved in the game and be useful to town. Once he got into replacement range, there was no point pushing him because flaking is actually not an alignment tell. I also knew for certain that he was busy irl because he flaked out on a skype thing with me and etl and jingle and his sister.

Also, his lurking spanned multiple days. Even ignoring the possibility of daychat, you're assuming that I needed to communicate with him covertly in thread because what? I lost the PT?

like him consistently trying to push everyone but anti/titus/mac looks awful the more i look at it.

What the fuck is this! I'm scum for tunnelling and I'm also scum for pushing everyone? You are consistently wrong about the facts this game. You've had days to read the game and two heads to do it, but apparently that was too much work.

I mean, whoever is town out of those two is doing a terrible job in MyLo but reviewing the game lends itself to Sthar being scum much more than Soren.

This town has been actually fucking terrible. Farside blew her role, dragon blew both of his shots. Cheater was actually playing anti-town. But I'M the one doing a terrible job. Sure.

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what am i wrong about here?

You said that I pushed 'everyone except' those two slots

but also, i'm scum for not pushing any reads but saint

those are incompatible.

I had a good, valid scumread on saint that I stand by. Even though his pm was town, he's the fourth member of the scumteam. And nobody could defend him.

When you have a scumread, and nobody can tell you why you're wrong, but a small portion of the players are resisting the lynch for some arcane reason. Why. the fuck. would you push anybody else?

You two keep saying 'that's not how town plays.' But that's bullshit. That is exactly how town plays. You lynch your scumreads until the scumteam is dead. Compromising on your reads for no reason is how you let scum setup mislynches. A cursory townmeta will show that this is, in fact, how I play.

[sthar8]

Soren is doing nothing because he doesn't have to. If you guys let this go to no-lynch, he kills vile and bbt helps him lynch me tomorrow. Note that once BBT said something, he promised content. He only needs the one ally.

[sthar8]

Farside mentioned why

No. farside said saint was town because he didn't care how people felt about him. That is a bullshit reason and if you seriously believed it you wouldn't be voting me. I can link you three games where I've been toxic as scum for townreads or to derail town, and three games as town where I've been toxic because they were fucking bad. It's

obviously

not alignment related.

[sthar8]

Just because I wanted you lynched at end of D1 and want you lynched in LyLo I have a personal problem with you? Really?

Well neither of those pushes makes any fucking sense. There's no logic behind either of them. So exactly what conclusion am I supposed to draw?

[sthar8]

When he posted his two posts around the 1,100-1,300 post mark (when he was also leading wagon), you could have jumped on him for lurking which at that point he very clearly was, but you didn't.

Go read my posts during those six days. The answer to your question is obvious.

[sthar8]

You guys.

Those of you still here

deserve this win

good job

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unless you just don't care whether i drop the hammer.

This was absolutely true. I didn't give a shit. I really did try, but if I would have won because of Saint being a shitty cheater and getting himself modkilled I would have felt terrible.

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He was using a trust tell

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it was in this game, but he apparently brought it up in another one

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Apparently he claims VT on day1 iff he's town.

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i mean, everything he did was pretty shitty.

honestly, you guys won on N1. The setup was fairly townsided and we exacerbated it with the wrong nk because I was v/la over the night phase and antihero/mac weren't paying attention