Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[killerjester]

sup

[killerjester]

Heartless is town unless scum were told we're "good guy" aligned
d3x is town because he was the first to hit the nail on the head wrt the Jingle wagon. The point I felt more-damning on his case wasn't that he inherently agreed scum were called "Dark Coalition", it's that he assumed town had access to that knowledge when only select few did. His "didn't read my PM" defense reeks of scum backtracking.
RD gave me mad town-vibes but I don't remember why exactly.
RIP's play is pretty scummy (his push on Jingle 180'd into a weird defense and it doesn't sit right with me) but his claim is genuine enough (compulsive-directed meeseeks and miller/bodyguard lincler is pretty accurate as far as flavor), and flavor aside lynching bodyguards D1 is just bad form.

Elbirn's massclaiming opinion vs. rolefishing thing = yuck.

Don't like how the Jingle wagon fell off. There's the bit about the DC but it also bothers me how quickly he came to assume Heartless wasn't scum.

[killerjester]

Was hoping for a bigger reception.

[killerjester]

[killerjester]

#37
Logic: Jingle knew about DC -> Jingle is scum
#196
Logic: Jingle knew about DC -> Jingle is town PR because RIP's PM also mentions DC (also rolefishing)

I don't like the manner in which RIP completely flipped his perspective on Jingle, being provoked only by the speed of which the Jingle wagon took flight. It reads like "I think he's scum (initial) BUT I don't think he should be lynched (flip) BUT I want him to claim anyway so I can 'clear' him".

What's so difficult to understand about that? It has nothing to do with d3x.

[killerjester]

[killerjester]

So we have a Morty-Cop and a Name-Cop and whatever Heartless is. How is massclaiming a bad thing? We'll have half the town cleared by D3.

[killerjester]

I'm Goldenfold, an active dreamer. Each night I can predict a name, and if they are the next person to get lynched I gain an unspecified 1x power the following night.

Jingle's next.

[killerjester]

I have a hunch that you people die when you "visit" them.

It's just a hunch though.

[killerjester]

I get that Yakko's claim is overpowered at thus unbelievable, but he's a terrible candidate for lynch. Imagine that if he's town he can start clearing a lot of other people as town and has considerable potential to draw the scumkill or outright kill himself by targeting scum. Additionally, as scum he'd have to clear town anyways or deliver false reports - at which point we can lynch him the first time he contradicts another player known to be town.

Yea I kind of want to keep that guy alive.

[killerjester]

Right well you called yourself a Watcher and that's what a Watcher does.

Watcher
Motion Detector

You're saying you're the second one?

[killerjester]

I understand what your role does I'm more interested in why you called yourself a watcher.

[killerjester]

Are you fuckin-

Weak is a role modifier. You can't just "add" that part.

Yes or no: if you target someone aligned against the town will you automatically die?

[killerjester]

The way kiwieagle wrote it sounds like I'm trying to prove a lynch was my original thought, which kind of ties in to the dream episode. Fuck if I know why I get a reward for doing so. I don't even know what the reward is yet.

[killerjester]

did you just say vanilla ice

[killerjester]

Aristophanes:	vanillaice-r	[Scroopy Nooples]
Jingle:	visitor (unspecified neg utility?)	[Jerry]
Flames682:	tracker	[Scary Terry]
Heartless:	odd-night weak doc	[Beth]
Elbirn:	neighborizer (morty cop)	[Jessica]
Killerjester:	active dreamer (1x something)	[Goldenfold]
Kthxbye:	1x name cop	[Xenon Bloom]
lufan131:	1x bulletproof vig	[Snuffles/Snowball]
RIP:	miller bodyguard	[Lincler]
d3x:	self-targeting busdriver	[Rick]
Rainbowdash:	????? (unstoppable + scumtrolled)	[Meeseeks]
hi im Yakko:	motion detector	[Leonard]
Mainez:	1x jailkeeper	[Summer]

VOTE: yakko

So morty is scum but Elbirn can function as a Morty cop, his weird rolefishing earlier makes perfect sense now. RD is most likely town as his controller hasn't claimed. Still very comfortable with Heartless and d3x as town. Aristophanes' claim doesn't make 100% sense flavorwise but neither do a few others and unless he improved his scumplay a LOT since Taylor Upick I'm leaning slight town on him.

Don't care much for the other 7 at the moment. Only seriously considering a Yakko/Jingle lynch today.

[killerjester]

Aris doesn't scumhunt when he's scum.
Like at all.
He'll run around acting clueless, and primarily respond to points that others have made - essentially looking busy while not doing much of anything. I could cite examples but I'm too lazy right now if you iso him in TSwift Upick you'll see what I mean.

This game is a complete shift. He's not exactly the cornucopia of content, but from what I do see he's actually playing the game and deriving reads on his own.

I mean sure I nailed him to the fucking wall in TSwift but it doesn't feel like he's overcompensating for his scummeta or anything like that. Especially since he was making reads before I showed up.

[killerjester]

wait I wanna try something for a minute

VOTE: Jingles

Elbirn can you come here

[killerjester]

The entire team in Taylor Swift was lurky-derpy and the dynamics of anyone's individual scum games will

always

be influenced by their team. Are there any reads that look particularly legit to you?

Yea I like how he presented his RIP scumread, pressured him when pressure was due, and backed off when he realized lynching a bodyguard claim D1 is the stupidest thing ever.

I'll concede you have a point about scumteams influencing the play of their individual members, but I think there are better lynch choices than Aris. Like if Meeseeks is town-aligned but scum-controlled then his power is worthless to us and the

perfect

candidate to turn vanilla.

[killerjester]

Read page 22 and tell me who you think is scummy.

[killerjester]

Why would you get a shot tonight.

[killerjester]

VOTE: yakko

k

[killerjester]

wait I wanna try something for a minute

VOTE: Jingles

Elbirn can you come here

VOTE: Jingle

Sooooo.....?

idk kevin

[killerjester]

inb4 kiwi

[killerjester]

Where did you track RIP to

[killerjester]

I chose Mainez

VOTE: Mainez

Flames can die tomorrow or lufan can shoot him I don't really care which.

[killerjester]

VOTE: Flames

totally my idea, this was an original thought

[killerjester]

He's L-2 now

[killerjester]

He's only BP on the night he shoots. Frankly I think he should just get his shot over with so we have proof he's actually a vig.

[killerjester]

It would also get us back on a lylo trajectory which would save us from a forced NL down the road. I feel that's important too.

[killerjester]

Assuming you get vanilla iced and Mainez uses his jail shot the only effective power we have left is d3x's self-bus, lufan's vig, my dreaming, and Elbirn's Morty-cop (which is useless if Flames flips Morty). In terms of roles that are immediately dangerous to scum yeah I can totally see them wanting to take out lufan before he shoots.

Mathwise, any "randomness penalties" (ie: if the vig shot was truly random, which it's not) will be compensated for by marginal gains in later lynchings. If you really want to get technical, a vig is actually more accurate than lynching - since town!lufan knows himself to be town.

Personally I think he should shoot you or Mainez.

[killerjester]

If I get jailed it's as if my prediction never happened, so I won't get anything.

Can we get a hammer in here what what.

[killerjester]

Flames is the Lynch for Today. Kthx is the Vig for Tonight.

same

[killerjester]

Sorry for being a lurksack. I've gotta be honest the whole "break the setup" thing isn't very fun. Someone tell me who I'm supposed to Morty-cop tonight pls.

Well who do you think is Morty?

[killerjester]

d3x should not disclose his intentions

[killerjester]

I mean obviously don't swap yourself with Kthx but the rest is up to you man.

[killerjester]

He lied about his role in a massclaim scenario.

[killerjester]

1. Flames is still 100% the Lynch for Today.

This. So fucking hard.

I get Kthx's claim is bad and all but it's hard to imagine not lynching caught scum, especially since we haven't confirmed lufan as the vig at this point.

[killerjester]

*Wakes up, burps, scratches self*

So, thoughts on me going insane and Morty-copping RainbowDash?

Stupid as hell. Next question.

[killerjester]

Lord of Lynch bless us with a hammer.

[killerjester]

I chose Kthx last night

[killerjester]

I did not. Pretty sure we have to lynch Kthx for that to happen.

Unless you're insinuating that I was jailed?

[killerjester]

He either targeted RBD with the function of bodyguard or targeted Mainez with the function of protecting himself. Given that lufan doesn't really have a reason to lie about his shot on a night with one kill (he could've easily claimed "I shot no one" and I wouldn't have doubted it) I strongly suspect the former. Which either means Kthx is lying about his result or scum have a redirector. However, if scum had a redirector I feel they would much rather direct lufan's shot over Kthx's rolecop, but clearly they have not done so.

Ergo, Kthx is a lying scumfuck.

My only holdup is that if we're wrong we probably lose outright. To be perfectly honest I think today is a no-lynch.

Yeah.

VOTE: NL

[killerjester]

I will accept arguments against no-lynching now. Go ahead.

[killerjester]

I thought it best to get all information possible on the table. That way we don't lose N2 actions from potential N3 targets. I don't see any confscum at the moment. Maybe scum do have a redirector and didn't control lufan to throw us off game like they did with the Heartless/Flames play. Maybe you jailed lufan and d3x did indeed target you. I legitimately think NL is the best play. If you're worried about Jinglescum stealing votes in LyLo (a mechanic generally prevented because it's overpowered) then you should jail him.

[killerjester]

Ok I see what your saying....will take a closer look tomorrow and reevaluate.

[killerjester]

By "not get anything" I meant that, for instance, if I get blocked then I won't receive any power even if the predicted lynch goes through. I made a prediction of Mainez N1 but it's not like kiwieagle sent me a message that I was blocked/not blocked.

WRT lynching, I'm still against it. Jingle's been turned vanilla and that was my only real concern about No Lynching. I feel there are too many variables up in the air at the moment and it's not like I plan to sustain a MyLo standard for the rest of the game. I think at some point we're gonna want to NL and if that's the case why wouldn't we do it as early as possible?

[killerjester]

ty 4 coming to your senses

VOTE: NL

[killerjester]

I don't see the point of getting people to talk if your intention was to NL.

[killerjester]

If everyone gives their full reads then scum will just kill the person most likely to help us make the right decision in LyLo. This is why you don't try to spark discussion when you secretly want to NL.

[killerjester]

Wait guys listen to this.

The sheer numbers willing to lynch Aris lead me to believe he's actually town.

Shocker right?

[killerjester]

MyLo is mislynch and lose
LyLo is lynch or lose

Obviously a mislynch in either scenario will end the game, but the distinct difference being MyLo can afford to no-lynch to slightly narrow down the mislynch possibility and LyLo cannot.

@Titus: My impression was people were not voting because of LOLQUICKHAMMERS until a general consensus is agreed upon.
@Elbirn: Please. You're assuming Kthx is town, so why would scum bus when town can't secure majority? You're contradicting yourself.

[killerjester]

I predicted a Kthx lynch. If we opt to lynch today I want to see him dead, he's played scummy enough on his own but even if I'm wrong I might get something to keep us in the game.

I think if the game was solvable for scum the mod would've called the game or we would at least see some semblance of that plan at this point (ie: if scum have a votestealer that works in LyLo they would've pushed through the NL first thing today and that would be the end of that). Since they have not done so thus far, we should not assume that we've lost already.

That being said, keep running with the Kthx-scum theory. You're doing great buddy.

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Also for the record a scum votestealer that works in LyLo would be the most broken, over-powered, bastard-modding bullshit that I've seen to date.

It's not commonly employed and probably not something we should expect.

There's my OUTGUESS THE MOD cents for this game.

[killerjester]

Wait fuck that's right I was jailed. Fucking hell man.

[killerjester]

Can we just NL? Seriously guys?

I feel like the more we second guess ourselves the more likely we are to just fuck it up. It's impossible to lynch non-Kthx scum without bussing involved and this isn't exactly a scenario where scum are likely to bus each other since they just win automatically on a mislynch.

[killerjester]

I can totally see scum shooting me. I'm an absolute monster in lylo.

[killerjester]

I do not think he is scum.

Don't I matter?

What am I to you?

[killerjester]

It's between Kthx and no-lynching for me today. Want a votecount though.

[killerjester]

ohmyfuckiung god we are not lynching aris

[killerjester]

Seriously. It's time to NL.

No one's even fucking scumhunting it's all PR bullshit I'm honestly bored out of my goddamn mind.

[killerjester]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[killerjester]

Kthx was a 1-shot 'simulator' which he used to force Heartless to target scum N1.
I was Evil-Morty, and could control RBD to perform the scumkill each night. I controlled him to kill Elbirn every freaking night but was prevented by various means. N1 RIP guarded him, N2 d3x swapped with RBD but I was jailed so our kill failed.

I almost fakeclaimed Morty when Elbirn was Mortyfishing but decided against it out of paralyzing fear.

GG to all. I think the massclaim hurt town a lot more than it helped and definitely made the game boring.

[killerjester]

Yea that's what kiwi told me. He lost whatever modifiers were in his role PM (compulsive, unblockable) but the ability to control him was tied to my role. I think if RBD wasn't turned vanilla then the Elbirn kill would've gone through N1.

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I mean the mod originally listed him as dead and then probably realized it wasn't an unblockable kill anymore.