Mini 1678: Matriarchy Mafia Game Over

[Cho]

Hi.

I'm a paranoid misogynist Straight White Male.

And I have a gun.

VOTE: farside22

[Cho]

Intent to shoot by midnight.

Don't you ignore me.

[Cho]

Most likely farside for the empty, unproductive questioning and shit vote.

[Cho]

Oh look, it's my birthday. Guess I get a birthday shot.

Kill: farside22

[Cho]

cho, i thought you claimed pgo not dayvig

Oh, that too, I guess.

[Cho]

I want to vote FakeGod for purposely being a dick as if he's scum trying to get townread off of that, but 1) that seems just a bit too juvenile for his tastes and 2) farside is still scum.

And yes, while I'm not a dayvig, I am a PGO of sorts. Warning + "do not cross" if PR, pls approach if scum, etc etc.

[Cho]

Number of pages before first usage of "braincells": 6

VOTE: LLD

[Cho]

Actually, maybe that makes you town? Idk.

VOTE: farside

Back to confscum.

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I want to vote FakeGod for purposely being a dick as if he's scum trying to get townread off of that, but 1) that seems just a bit too juvenile for his tastes and 2) farside is still scum.

And yes, while I'm not a dayvig, I am a PGO of sorts. Warning + "do not cross" if PR, pls approach if scum, etc etc.

Well I'm a bulletproof vigilante, and guess who I'll be shooting tonight.



Like, the fact that this doesn't matter even a little means you should either start talking about more important things, or shut your mouth and let people with enough braincells to function as a human being do it for you.

Your choice.

But you're the one trying to get secret alts to out their mains!! How is that important at all compared to a PGO claim!!!!!!

It feels like you're looking for excuses to insult or attack people. But I know that's kind of an inherent aspect of your personality, and I'd halfheartedly advocate a policy lynch on you if you didn't have the joindate/rep that you do, so... eh?

There really isn't much to comment on here other than that I want farside dead. For being scum. And things like that.

[Cho]

LOL

[Cho]

I want to vote FakeGod for purposely being a dick as if he's scum trying to get townread off of that, but 1) that seems just a bit too juvenile for his tastes and 2) farside is still scum.

And yes, while I'm not a dayvig, I am a PGO of sorts. Warning + "do not cross" if PR, pls approach if scum, etc etc.

Well I'm a bulletproof vigilante, and guess who I'll be shooting tonight.



Like, the fact that this doesn't matter even a little means you should either start talking about more important things, or shut your mouth and let people with enough braincells to function as a human being do it for you.

Your choice.

But you're the one trying to get secret alts to out their mains!! How is that important at all compared to a PGO claim!!!!!!

It feels like you're looking for excuses to insult or attack people. But I know that's kind of an inherent aspect of your personality, and I'd halfheartedly advocate a policy lynch on you if you didn't have the joindate/rep that you do, so... eh?

There really isn't much to comment on here other than that I want farside dead. For being scum. And things like that.

It's called putting pressure on players to see their reactions.

You DO know how to play this game, right?

See, first you try and FIND the scum, then you try and LYNCH them.

On the other hand, talking about role bullshit and prancing around like you're something special earns you exactly.... nothing.

So I mean, do you if that's what you like, but you won't get any positive attention here.

You remind me of arcangel9. She also kind of sucked at this game.

For the briefest second I considered replacing out because wow are you an unpleasant individual. But down that road lies trust tells, so... we will continue on!

Farside's early excessive questioning, hop on your altwagon, and tone reminiscent of when we were scum together in Paradise Lost made her my strongest scumread (though tbf the majority of my reads so far are in limited "meh" and "do not like" [read: mostly null] categories) and her "bored" explanation both

bored

and did not satisfy me in return.

I'm talking about "role bullshit" because I, at least, think it's imperative that it's fully understood that I actually am a PGO, and rather than take the hero route of gambling on a scumkill/PR hitting me, I'd rather not just . In fact it was farside in Drawn in Arrival who was a Town Inventor and gifted the multiple-times-claimed (Town) PGO with a 1-shot Bulletproof Vest on Night 1 (I was a Backup SK that game, and my regular-SK also shot the multiple-times-claimed PGO Night 1). That's the only memorable experience I've had with PGOs, and it wasn't a good one.

So I'll continue to remind you all of this and prance around and be special because my role

demands

it, and I'm not going to just sit back and let some dumb but actually useful town PR forget tonight.

(Note: I recently asked SleepyKrew a question about how a certain aspect of my role worked, which he readily [and promptly] answered. I then asked him if that answer was guaranteed to be true, and his answer was "nope" again. Which should have been obvious because ~bastard game~ but unlike post 1's "the only bastard aspect is that Role PMs and flips may be missing important information" might imply to some, that also extends to private communication asking about potential slyly-omitted information.)

Considering I'm so bad at this game, though (which I

know

, dear, but I still play because usually I still have fun), I'll just say right now that I am not opposed to martyring myself to this game's big bad group of PL-hungry wolves because at the moment I'm kind of 50-50 on wanting to play this one or not.

[Cho]

Should I quickhammer?

I'm not quickhammering.

[Cho]

Ok, so new page, same useless poster.

Tell me, why is Farside scum? I don't know why I'm asking, I'm gonna get a shitty answer involving meta and bad reads but hey, let's give you a chance to be intelligent.

Can I get an actual...

thing

from you on why farside is town or even just something towny that clashes enough with her scumminess? I would much rather try to work with you/get you to try and work with me here if you're town than having to play this whole "you insult me, I respond while trying not to reveal how much your particular brand of insults bother me" game.

Quote in my mind right now is something GI said in Vanilla Nightless about you!scum liking to toss insults around and play scumgames by causing town to feel like shit. So that's the mindset I've got a foot and half in, while also trying to move out of that and take into account the "LLD is an asshole regardless of alignment" thing. Basically it's not a fun place to be.

[Cho]

EBWOP:

I'd rather not just let town be dumb and include me on their list when shooting into the dark as usual (metaphorical shooting, because I'm not quite sure yet about how I feel about being vigged - on one hand PGO, on the other, expedited death and no more having to engage LLD out of necessity).

[Cho]

UNVOTE:

Ok, I like that.

Fuck.

[Cho]

Fuzzy, how many scumgames have you had (name them)?

Yes, I could look it up myself, but no, I can't look it up myself.

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Don't care about the farside stuff anymore, she's town, I was tunneling for lack of something better to focus on.

Which isn't my problem because everything else just feels like annoying unreadable PL pushes and a subpar Fuzzy wagon that I cbf to try and read (as in "analyze") atm until I get a response from him and decide whether I want to whiteknight it or not.

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Which isn't my problem because everything else just feels like annoying unreadable PL pushes and a subpar Fuzzy wagon that I cbf to try and read (as in "analyze") atm until I get a response from him and decide whether I want to whiteknight it or not.

And in this situation, experience dictates that scum is in the lurkers... right?

VOTE: Elmo

whatever don't care, at least my vote feels comfortable

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The fuzzy wagon is forming and it's a good one.

VOTE: Fuzzy

L-1

did you really thought that claim came from scum?

not sure if bad town or trolling scum; I guess I'll take a look at meta and find out

I've played a couple games as Menno and he always looks scummy but turns out to be town. This seems like how he normally plays.

VOTE: Flames682

I am very very very certain that this slot is scum (and this time I have valid reasons!).

[Cho]

More concrete reasoning later but basically look at any Flames towngame ISO and compare it to this and his scumgame ISO.

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That's one easy reason you can cross reference on your own.

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I keep forgetting that I've already checked like at least 4 times now to see if FG could just be a jester.

The autohammer thing also feels more like a scum hammerer (as in auto hammers at l-1) than "lol im mod ill throw a neutral mechanic that fucks voting shit up into this".

Whoever it was that suggested it was more likely to be mod- or neutral-induced than scum-induced is silly af.

Chilling memories of Whiskers' flavorless mini theme where town kept putting people at L-1 with "maybe it won't autohammer this time - oh oops" and scum had the room to easily lay bullshit votes and blend in with the town's constant state of wtf.

This is part of why FakeGod is reluctantly drifting down into my null-scum reads, along with how easily he agreed with my very limited meta "analysis". I do want to know in his own words what specifically he saw in Flames though, and see how they do or don't match up.

We should be treating L-1 as if it's hammer btw.

[Cho]

Sorry for the absence. I should have declared limited ~playtime~ access earlier due to irl things, but things will be back to normal for at least tomorrow.

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Prod dodge, will be here in an hour or so.

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Also trying to make up my mind on FG, though it's the kind of read where it's not null, but either super town or super scum. Leaning the former until I have reason to think otherwise.

Again, more later.

[Cho]

Unexpected loss of internet access; will try to have things fixed by tomorrow. Sorry!

[Cho]

Today we should be lynching in Menno/FakeGod/Bulge/R. I don't really have any significant scum reads outside of that group, although I don't really have strong reads in this game in general because game sucks.

What are your thoughts on Flames? Thoughts on non-mentions of Flames?

I have some more thoughts re: my scumread on him, but I want to see more Flames discussion first.

[Cho]

I've been prodded.

Flames is still scum. UT please read Flames' ISO and comment on how fake (or OOC if you have experience) it is.

[Cho]

Well.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Cho]

McMenno's posts d2:

I think this is the best choice for now.

VOTE: Elmo

Prod received.

engagement is hard, sorry guys

I THINK I WILL START POSTING IN CAPS NOW

everyone's ISO is pretty bad

He's regularly checking in to prod dodge and fluff post.

Come on, guys.

He's regularly checking in to prod dodge and fluff post.

Come on, guys.

True

I could get down with a mcmenno wagon

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V

Well.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

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An ISO of McMenno's typical townplay, along with the mod's ISO just to show the huge gaps in posting and timeline of town uselessness.

But as scum:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go (lurked here, but when posting sporadically he at least tried to fake wordy usefulness)

Also, I'd rather not go for two policy MLs in a row. Better an actual scumlynch. Like Flames. Who is almost assuredly scum. Probably. Not McMenno, at least.

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Let's figure this out. The final VC has FakeGod still voting Fuzzy, McMenno still on Nacho, and Gilgamesh still on LLD. Plus this "The Base" as the hammer on Fuzzy. Checking it out.

Bulge feels mostly null to me, but this post felt really unnatural.

Not interested in gambling on that lynch today. I do think flipping town would be more negative for the game than the usual "oh look a mislynch"

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Vote: Flames

Vote: FakeGod

I'm sorry, I can't in good consciousness not vote here today.

please keep all hands and feet inside the bus at all times

[Cho]

that means get the fuck back on

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Cho null but that's easily testable since she's hardpushing a player.

If Flames flips scum I'm town. If he flips town I'm probably scum. But I'm not scum so Flames is flipping scum. This is logical.

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Cho null but that's easily testable since she's hardpushing a player.

If Flames flips scum I'm town. If he flips town I'm probably scum. But I'm not scum so Flames is flipping scum. This is logical.

That is not what I meant nor how it works.

Hard(wrong)pushing is emblematic of my scumplay. It's part of my townplay about 40% of the time. But hard(right/bus)pushing is unprecedented for my scumplay. FakeGod knows all this and I assumed it's what he was referring to.

I'm fairly confident Flames is flipping scum. Tempted to give the whole "if I'm wrong lynch me" spiel but that never goes through or ends well if it actually does go through/discussion of it going through occurs.

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/me sighs

I really don't think Flames is scum though :/

[spoiler=WARNING!
UNFLIPPED ASSOCIATIVES!
WARNING!]LLD's stance here combined with how weird her letting up on me in regards to her abrasiveness was (her suddenly saying "oh not bad" to me felt way too much in line with what I just mentioned about Grey saying about her demotivational scumgame) make me think she could be scum, especially if Flames flips town.

I want to use BoP on Nacho but it's more likely this is a product of irl/general playstyle things I've seen lately. Idk. I do think LLD's more likely to flip scum than him, though. But only by like 10%.[/spoiler]

[Cho]

Your posts are as short and non-aesthetically pleasing as if you joined in 2013! Horrible!

[Cho]

~things things things~

...

~more things~

Flames is probscum and the only one down there at the moment - the problem is I'm pretty sure scum is in the lurkers and it's hard to dredge things out of there. I do think that formerly included LLD for a bit too iirc, but anyway I think I need to shift my PoV this game to try and PoE things out using the people who are regularly here.

[Cho]

pulling this BoP bullshit

smart enough to know this

Bruh.

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Though some of FG's points are lolnull/loltown (as in what they mean about Bulge).

Again, I don't buy Bulge being scum right now. Could, but don't and don't want to. Not worth it.

Flames scumlynch is worth it. Lower cost if wrong, too.

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Note to self: check Flames meta of ignoring wagons/major suspicion on self (there should definitely be enough instances of it).

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("It" = Flames getting wagoned)

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I want to make it clear that the "lower cost" thing wasn't a comment on mafia proficiency, but rather how much I'll beat myself up if we mislynch Bulge in spite of me noting certain towntells of his (that I'm still not certain as to whether they actually exist in this game or if I'm just wanting to see them there).

[Cho]

This is the dumbest. I hate mother.

[Cho]

I think I might have killed mommy.

Dumb bastardlike things.

[Cho]

VOTE: LLD

{LLD, McMenno, The Bulge}

Please sheep me to victory once again.

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I'm not settling for "has a chance of being scum" over "is very likely scum". Which is why I stayed on Flames yesterday. My pool ranges from scum to null.

Bare bones explanation on LLD is that I don't think her thought process in previous days was realistically town (read more like textbook town). And that the whole "time to potentially flip all my reads" entrance today is more of a scum preparation to open up her votepool, rather than an actual town thought that needed to be conveyed as open-endedly as she did, after one unexplained town lean of hers flipped scum.

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Oh thank god it's 5 to lynch.

Whee. Would prefer LLD today, could compromise on McMenno. With likely only 2 scum left, him being ignored isn't very telling on its own, but in general with games like these I tend to think town is the real danger to town, not scum.

Also modifying my scumlist to {LLD, McMenno, Nachomamma8}, with null Bulge removed and Nacho added because I just remembered he exists.

[Cho]

Ugh I just remembered McMenno's probably town.

ffffffffff

not voting bulge. R feels like a red herring. Would still prefer [to lead] a LLD wagon. pls pls

[Cho]

I was prooded and will stall until I get my way again.

[Cho]

Of all things, I do agree with LLD about this Bulge wagon.

I mean, I can still see Bulge being scum. The consistency is just... gross, completely.

[Cho]

You're voting The Bulge. How does that make you feel?

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I was prooded and will stall until I get my way again.

Can you full claim while you're stalling?

Why wont you claim Cho?

These are totally out of nowhere and I'm struggling to see the motivation from either town or scum considering the utter non-reaction to my beginning-of-day posts.

I'm wary of DeasVail but if he's going to be our defibrillator then all power to him. Don't want to lynch The Bulge just based on wagon consistency and what DV pointed out.

Anyone who still thinks my Flames push was bussing, taking into account that he highly visibly ramped up his contribution to try and fight it off after he was actually in danger of being lynched, and didn't just take the bus as scumpartners do (because a bus is about providing a partner with towncred), is fairly silly or scum.

I want to lynch LLD. I will compromise on Nacho. If this kind of posting keeps up I could even be persuaded to lynch FG eventually despite me having him as a townread for god-knows-why reasons.

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VOTE: Nacho

Okay. Let's do it. Don't even care for LLD anymore.

[Cho]

This wagon bothers me but I have too many townleans.

Nobody else wants to lynch LLD.

[Cho]

I'll be doing some scum ISOs when I return tonight so please hold off on any circlejerking until later on. The sooner I can finish up this game, the better.

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I don't know if I'm scumreading DV most strongly, but in any case he should claim first.

Keep prod dodging otherwise until tonight, please.

[Cho]

I completely forgot about this, sorry.

I'm leaving for a flight soon but will start ISOing now.

[Cho]

VOTE: FakeGod

Yeah, I can't just cover my eyes and ears when it comes to FG anymore.

I want a FG lynch today. If you still want to lynch DV, I still want FG to claim.

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No, I don't think so.

If you're judging the slot as scum based on McMenno's lack of contribution, look at McMenno's town game versus his actual scum game. I agree DV could be scum here but it's not going to be for the "normal" reasons wrt McMenno. Without that I find FG scummier now for these weird disconnects and probable post-Nacho-lynch buddying.