Mini 1664: TES4 UPick (Day 4)

[Persivul]

Hello.
UNVOTE:
Until I get a chance to catch up.

[Persivul]

Too late, I read his ISO yesterday. I confirm his claim, although I don't understand why he claimed all levels. If I understand the roles correctly, his level 3 (doctor) is only an upgrade if it's secret. Now that it's out, it's better to remain at level 2 (1-shot BP bodyguard). Seems to me if I upgrade again I'll get killed that night.

[Persivul]

I read through the challenge part and see he had to claim to survive. Makes more sense now.

[Persivul]

VOTE: ABR

[Persivul]

Blue light special: post in the next 5 minutes and I'll be your bodyguard tonight. Some conditions apply.

[Persivul]

Scummy and null

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: venmar

[Persivul]

eh Persivul what's up
what's the thought process behind switching your vote

He's padding his post count with fluff, which is scummy, and I hate gifs. Gotta go turn images off in my settings.

[Persivul]

PSA: Please stop being annoying and posting atrocious GIFs

He can see it in other people...

[Persivul]

There isn't too much for me to post. A lot of the game is just a lot of hate going around for me using reasons I can't (and dont care enough) to defend against. I could scumhunt but nobody is posting much of value either and those who are are just saying i'm scummy or are being pretty dumb in general.

Part of scum hunting is motivating people to make valuable posts.

[Persivul]

Strange cause none of that is going around atm.

I diasgree. IMO 703 is valuable and was motivated by prior posts.

[Persivul]

Also why are people complaining about inactivity and people not doing much when they themselves are making no headways to actually priming conversation?

[Persivul]

Just read Bulge's ISO and it's not very impressive. I could go with that lynch but I believe he's at L-1 now, and as explained previously I don't want to be the hammer vote.

[Persivul]

I can go with a massclaim today. My role's already out (currently 1-shot BP bodyguard) and it would be more useful if I had some idea of who to protect.

In the meantime:

ABR

[Persivul]

Oops
VOTE: ABR

[Persivul]

ABR, I believe you're at L-2. Are you going to claim?

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:

OK, next on BYHD's claim list was:
VOTE: venmar

Venmar, are you going to claim?

[Persivul]

I've already claimed so I'm not concerned about it personally. Isn't the idea that scummiest players should go first? Of living players, ABR and venmar have consistently had the highest vote counts. ABR isn't here. So, it's venmar's turn while we wait for an ABR replacement.

[Persivul]

So let's just lynch venmar without a claim then. He's been close before, and I doubt his recent posting has changed much for anyone.

[Persivul]

Screw the massclaim for now. Vote venmar until he's L-1 and see if he talks.

[Persivul]

even if we do admit you could have vaild reason for not claiming, your slot itself and your play override

^^This

[Persivul]

Seems like he

wants

to be lynched. Not that I'm going to change my vote.

[Persivul]

My bad, will catch up tonight!

[Persivul]

I see we're claiming. My slot previously claimed. I'm currently a 1X BP bodyguard. Last night I bodyguarded for ika. I got no notification from the mod, so I presume that there was no attack on ika and I'm still 1X BP bodyguard. Sorry again for the delay!

[Persivul]

Since ika has infinite votes but wasn't attacked, there's a good chance scum is in people that he's town read.

[Persivul]

VOTE: Persivul

btw i left out a thing about my role, when i use my power i revert back to lvl 1

so you are in fact lying cus right now im still lvl 1 and if you did indeed target my i would of became lvl 2

I sent to mod: "Bodyguard for ika"

You're misunderstanding the mechanics, or lying yourself.

[Persivul]

Per ika he's currently an ascetic. Per the wiki on bodyguards:

Protection would also

fail

if targeting a Macho or

Ascetic

role, although the Bodyguard should not be told if this happens, just like if they were blocked.

So, he does have a point. However, since there was no shot, is it even an issue?

mod: can you tell us if a bodyguard would be considered to fail if targeting an ascetic on a night in which no attempt was made on the ascetic?

[Persivul]

Of course there's also the issue of whether ika is accurately describing his role. He's, er, not the greatest communicator on the site.

[Persivul]

Is there a reason that a vampire wouldn't be a bad guy?

[Persivul]

thats the relavant stuff

Your opinion is noted.

i asked it as well

Did you get an answer?

[Persivul]

And...when did you ask?

[Persivul]

Why didn't you ask in thread for all to see?

[Persivul]

Why didn't you ask in thread for all to see?

does it matter?

Yes, it does.

[Persivul]

lets just lynch him already and if hes somehow town in all this gif got explaing to do

VOTE: ika

[Persivul]

lets just lynch him already and if hes somehow town in all this gif got explaing to do

Or we could just wait for gif to answer my public question, rather than trust you on the matter.

It's not like we're running out of time. What's your rush?

[Persivul]

Yeah those are always good reasons to push a lynch.

[Persivul]

So you say, based on a supposed private question of mod that you could have asked publicly.

[Persivul]

When he backs me up, are you just going to claim that you were too dumb to word the question correctly?

[Persivul]

Or are you lying, and you are indeed now at level 2?

[Persivul]

Yeah, why wait for mod to answer.

To say ika writes on a fourth grade level is an insult to many fourth graders. Even if he's not lying, there's a very good chance that he worded his question incorrectly.

[Persivul]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bitmap

[Persivul]

I feel comfortable with this.

Why?

[Persivul]

So didja get your level-up ika?

[Persivul]

@McMenno: At end of day 3 BYHD's vote was on ABR and he took the NK. You were on ABR too. I don't see that his replacement has done anything significant to change anyone's opinion.

[Persivul]

I would L-2 ika or McMenno because they played like shit/really scummy the past 2 days.

Yeah, ABR was also after McMenno and ika. Yet, when he had his cop ability N2, he supposedly used it on House...who had conveniently died N2.

[Persivul]

Ooh, you're going to chew me up after the game.

[Persivul]

I hate to say it but I forgot to protect on N2.

[Persivul]

I mean,

you're voting on the slot that has literally done nothing cept for argue about lynching ika for the last 30 pages

instead of voting ika for the shitty Day 3 lynch or McMenno for the shitty Day 2 lynch.

So you admit your slot has done nothing but tunnel one player for thirty pages...but you think I shouldn't find that slot suspicious?

[Persivul]

Any opinions on the ABR slot?

[Persivul]

I think replacements have bred apathy which is letting scum coast to a win.

[Persivul]

Look at the thing between me ika and mod. That pretty much confirms me as a bodyguard, and there's no reason to have a mafia bodyguard.

[Persivul]

I'm thinking you're scum with ABR slot. Your little reunion early on reads like wifom.

[Persivul]

And dierfire makes 3.

[Persivul]

House was the N1 target per my role pm.

[Persivul]

More suspicious than the shit day 2/3 lynches?

If they were shit, he should have come out of the ika tunnel to stop them...unless he wanted shit lynches to go through.

[Persivul]

@Chaos: And if you want my flavor, it is - seriously - the Blacksmith's Apron. Not the blacksmith...just his apron.

[Persivul]

@Bitmap - is it your birthday? You have cake.

[Persivul]

Oh I see - join anniversary. Happy Anniversary!

[Persivul]

Alright, scum team is Bins + 2 of [McMenno/Dierfire/Bitmap/Persivul]. That's in order from most to least suspicious.

Bins knew she was targeted with an action N2. None of the dead roles or the claimed roles explain that.

The House N1 target makes sense from Stab's point of view, and Stab read fairly town when he was here. I'm not totally cool with the Persivul slot, but it's pretty far in the back of my mind at this point.

I was going to do a quick ISO of Bins but she has 169 posts. I'll look at Bins/McMenno/Dierfire over the weekend (holiday tomorrow so that will help).

[Persivul]

Notes on McMenno ISO

Through post 277 (his 14th), mostly one-liners with little or no substance.

385 - doesn't see venmar as scum

538 - votes ABR with no explanation

584 - reads list. My slot towniest, so I like that. ABR & chaos scum, dierfire null/scum. Bins & BYHD town.

832 - claimed as sheogorath, which is verified by mod. Per search sheogorath is the daedric prince of madness. Seems like he'd most naturally be an independent, otherwise town. I don't see why mod verification of a scum role would be a power.

887 - votes me because I suggested that a vampire is naturally a bad guy, unvotes in 921

He doesn't give much to go on, but based on reads and claim, I don't see him as scum. Lean town.

[Persivul]

Notes on dierfire ISO

Wow, he focused on my predecessor (stabulous) for most of the game.

605 - finally gives a reads list with BYHD and Chaos as town, everyone else as null. This is scummy.

Then back to stab. Votes bulge in 647, but that's stab-related too.

More recently, focused on analyzing the claims.

Don't like the tunneling, but it seemed sincere. Null for now.

[Persivul]

Bins

knew

(before I said I targeted her)

she was targeted with an action N2. None of the dead roles or the claimed roles explain that.

Didn't you target Bins N2?

Bold and italics for emphasis.

So what? Some actions generate notification, some don't. Why would that differ based on whether the recipient is town or scum?

[Persivul]

VOTE: Bins

[Persivul]

I doubt that scum was given infinite vote ability.

[Persivul]

Bins is flailing about at any target. She's a reasonable lynch. Put a vote on her Bitmap.

[Persivul]

Of course, all of the webs that I'm trying to weave completely rely on Bitmap being Town. I can't think of a way to engineer around him if he's Mafia.

Lynch him?

[Persivul]

Given Bitmap's lack of vote, if he's Mafia then we are likely in LYLO. However, I'm trying to think of a way to engineer our night actions to solve the game.
Just for example, if Persivul is still BP, then we could have Bitmap jail two players and Persivul protect Bitmap. That makes four players invulnerable to the kill, and two players unable to make the kill. If Bitmap is Town (as required by the plan to use his ability) then there are only two Mafia players, so we either jail those two,

or we jail everyone but those two.

Ika is Ascetic, though, so if he's Town then we'd have to target Mafia players. If anyone dies then we can start clearing players.

Bins, McMenno, Ika, and I have powers that are not helpful to this engineering.

Bitmap and Persivul are useful if Town. Chaos is a different kind of useful.

If Chaos, Bitmap, and I are all Town then we have an indirect way to confirm some abilities.

I can make one player's action resolve at highest priority, Chaos can watch/follow/track that player, and Bitmap can jail that player. If all of our claims are true then Chaos will see that player's action take effect but also see Bitmap jailing that player. I asked the Mod and my ability wouldn't make the factional kill go off at highest priority, only an individual ability, so even if that player is Mafia the jail should still keep them from making a kill. Chaos would also then be able to report on the action taken by that player.

OK, I'm so confused by this game I'm willing to take orders. But before night actions we need a lynch. From the bolded above I take it the lynch pool is Bins, McMenno, Ika. As noted above I don't think the inifinite vote power would go to scum. So, Bins or McMenno. Who do you prefer? I believe I have a vote on Bins currently.

[Persivul]

QUIT YELLING

Yes, I keep forgetting that Bitmap doesn't have a vote. Deal with it.

Are you always this abrasive?

[Persivul]

With 14 hours left it looks like it's going to be a no lynch regardless.

TBH I haven't studied the role claims enough to understand it all. Bins, do you agree with dierfire's plan?