Mini 1694 -- Zodiac Mafia II (Game Over)

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Folks...

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Book of Constantine (215:116) - If thy cannot find scum on the first day, thou must always policy lynch the slowest and most anti-town player

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Let's be fair, I am not Marquis. I did replace in for her twice already in the past day though.

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Wait, don't lynch me! I am a supersaint bulletproof governor, so lynching me would be a serious mistake.

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Ugh, the threat to my life is going to force me to actually try playing the game. Right now I am slightly suspicious towards Lane because of some gut stuff. I am concerned about Massive, because that MOFO is an unreadable beast. I am scared half to death of that devil spawn.

On the other hand, I would be cool PL'ing farside22 or ricastle, becus I am afraid some sort of toxic argument will happen that will ruin the game.

Everyone else is town, bcus null reads are the stupidest thing since bottled air.

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That kind of post will get you lynched quick so I suggest you get your act together.

Why so serious? Even that Jesus fella knew how to laugh now and again.

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I am just going to get this out there though. I am a hermit, and my name is St Constantine, so if you couldn't figure it out already, I don't take this game that seriously at all.

One consequence of that is scum are always trying to use me as the fallout policy lynch.

As a result, ppl get very distracted from scum hunting to debate on whether to use me as the easy lynch target, so I am always suspicious of ppl who start wagons on me.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Ugh, the threat to my life is going to force me to actually try playing the game. Right now I am slightly suspicious towards Lane because of some gut stuff. I am concerned about Massive, because that MOFO is an unreadable beast. I am scared half to death of that devil spawn.

On the other hand, I would be cool PL'ing farside22 or ricastle, becus I am afraid some sort of toxic argument will happen that will ruin the game.

Everyone else is town, bcus null reads are the stupidest thing since bottled air.

Excuse me?
Who the fuck do you think you are.

I am Constantine, and I am a saint. I've come to take names and hand out brochures on how one can strengthen their relationship with Christ.

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The person I want to lynch is VOTE: Lane666, because there is something about his posts which are coming off as scummy and ingenuine. Another way of saying it is all in my gut.

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Not giving reasoning for a scumread is something town does as well. It is something I do all the time.

There isn't a manual for calling out bullshitters. Besides some small qwerks, it is mostly gut. As far as definite tells go, I find them unreliable, Bcus different ppl do different things.

I am totally scum reading Lane, but I'll defend him from the things you want to lynch him for, Bcus if I don't, then I'll be subject to the same BS scumcases in the future. Cheers!

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Hermit, claim please.

Don't claim please. You're only at L-2 and this is just scum trying to out as many power roles as possible. Tyvm.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

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Guys, I am the easy PL (in EVERY fucking game I play), and this is obv. scum forcing us into mass claims. Like seriously, be a good soldier and use some common sense.

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Good story; Don't care.

I can't remember if this is the game where I said this, but scum are always drawn to my wagon. The primary advantage I have over other players is that I am a serious scum magnet. It isn't even funny how many scum I've caught this way over my career.

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That's the thing. It is a 100% proven equation that scum players will always hop on my wagon (the 1st time), but I can't be entirely certain who is actually scum that has a vote on me.

It could be nacho, but it could also be startfromtheheart. I will claim Bcus I thought it was important. We're all vanilla town. None of us will get any powers until a zodiac role. I doubt the mod will confirm this, but I am pretty sure this is the case.

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VOTE: nachomamma8 is right. Getting a lynch IS important.

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Not my first choice though, but the day is almost up.

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Lol, I hate playing with dumbasses. As I said, I am 100% vanilla town. My lynch wont be informative at all, and I'm an easy target late game anyways, so you might as well absolve your worries and lynch nachomama8

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You guys are dumb as bricks. Did you all completely ignore me when I said I am a scum magnet? Actually read the events leading up to my L-1. If there aren't scum attached to me I'll be damned.

Okay, serious Christian right here showing all his cards. If I am not town, then may I no longer be a christian, forced into damnation for a 1000 years, with no food, water, or shelter.

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Tammy, you are so being played right now. That MOFO is stretching his influence over you. The Tammy I know and love ain't no bitch, so why are you hoeing out for Nacho? The last thing you want is to be pushed into the scum block, because if Nacho is scum, then your head will be on the chopping block next.

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It was strategic for Nacho. If I die and flip town, then nothing will save nacho from being lynched tommorow, so unvoting now is a good way for him to shake the heat and maybe earn some town points.

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@Nacho My point exactly. You drove harder than anyone else to lynch me, and now by your own admittance I am a very very very easy mislynch.

@Tammy - I luv u so much

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You didn't have a reaction to those last two posts at all? Why are you townreading Constantine?

Seriously? It was a reaction test? If you are town, I really can't understand your plays.

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Look Nacho. I would buy more into you blving I was town from those posts, and an open admittance of contradiction, over your claim that this was all a reaction test. Reaction test? Now that is BS.

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Nacho, there are actual justifications for lynching you. Never did you provide one case that I am scum.

In your shoes, I would of done the exact same thing and unvoted, but unfortunately for you there were ppl here who could call you out on it. I'm not buying into it being a reaction test. Not for a second.

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I'll defend nacho on the deadline lynch. I push deadline lynches myself when on D1. I wasn't even completely confident in him being scum, but the unvote eased me over a little bit.

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I framed it the way I did because "no vote him now so he can react"

You didn't have a reaction to those last two posts at all? Why are you townreading Constantine?

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You are going back and forth. You heavily imply that I am a scum read and then proceed to call me a weak town read. You also DID imply your no vote was a reaction test twice, and then you jumped on Lane111 for 'townreading' me.

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I voted Constance because he was my weakest town read

What was I, a weak town read or a strong scum read?

I am the only town player who is allowed to contradict himself over a dozen times within two pages. You're playing the panicked survivalist now.

Let the witchhunt begin! Cheers!

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I thought the push on you would be good for reactions. That doesn't make it a reaction test.

Uh, yes it does.

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Nacho, if you rly are town, you need to make a case on another player, bcus the more you defend yourself the more you look guilty.

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Enough with the town reads guys. This is D1. The only ppl who aren't town are the one's who you are scum reading.
I want to see Nacho make a scum case, and not a town case, bcus that is the only thing which might make me stop pushing his lynch.

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I am sick of this. Nacho is emasculating the game in order to save his hide. I see through the BS, this isn't scum hunting, but survivalism. Like, I am actually glad he is trying to make a case on KayP, but it is really weak and that just proves to me that he isn't concerned with catching scum. The game ends in a couple of hours, pls consolidate on a lynch guys. Right now you can either go after me, or you can go after Nacho, who right now appears to be post spamming in order to cover up his old scum slips.

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Just stop m8. Anyone looking at this thread has to reread page 35 and decide if they want to lynch nacho or not. That is all we have time to discuss. It is to late to start up another wagon, especially one built on such a weak case.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Whatever. This hermit is tired and frustrated. Check ya'll later.

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I was scum reading Massive, StartfromtheHeart, and Nachomama, so I am highly skeptical of the Mainez wagon.

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There are three wagons with 4 votes on each. One of these wagons contains the entire scum team, and probably one town player tagging along.

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Sry Tammy, but look at it from my perspective. You are sharing the exact same voting patterns as SFTH and Nacho with absolutely no disgression. I still luv u tho

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Actually there might only be two scum in a 9 player game. *Dunce*

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WHAT THE FUCK! There are 12 players alive. Okay, so ignore that last post. What I said rings true.

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Yeah, I don't blame you Tammy, and I ain't scum reading you. I think the wagon you are on has the scum block, and I am really not getting a scum vibe from any other player outside that wagon. There is just way to much resistance to lynching Nacho, and I don't like how Massive, STFH, and you shifted over to that obv. counter wagon without much debate or recognition of the accusations against Nacho.

I think lynching Nacho would be the most informative lynch, because it would give us a clue on whether he was alligned with the ppl on the Mainez wagon. You should probably remove your vote though if you aren't sure what to do, bcus not voting is still better than a bad vote, and by your own admission you are still trying to figure things out.

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I was concerned because Ricastle attached himself to me rather quickly, but that was the only time I ever was supicious of whether he was town or not. I ain't scum reading the players on the Nacho wagon, but I'm scum reading all the players except Tammy on the Mainez wagon.

The way I see it, we can lynch Nacho today, and if that doesn't expose the scum team, you can lynch me tomorrow. Right now I feel like scum made way to many slips to possibly win.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't know why the mod felt it was important to customize the VC like that, but I would like to think it was a hint from the Lord himself.

Not Voting (0) ( Tammy -

startfromtheheart - Nachomamma8 - Tammy

)

St Constantine the Hermit (4) ( farside22 - Metal Sonic - elusive -

Nachomamma8 - startfromtheheart

- Mainez -

Tammy

)

Mainez (4) ( Aronis -

Nachomamma8

- massive -

startfromtheheart - Tammy

)

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Nacho made psuedo filler cases on both me and Mainez which were met immediately by a blank unexplained vote from both SFTH and Tammy, twice. Tammy seems to be on the edge affiliation wise, but massive appears to have some subtle affilation with SFTH and Nacho.

Here is a completely reasonable request. For SFTH and Massive, you guys should justify your votes.

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@RedCoyote - Remember those intimate moments we shared in the replacement PM? You wouldn't want those revealed to the community, would you? Extend the deadline!

[St Constantine the Hermit]

We actually don't have time for this. There's like an hour left.

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Probs SFTH or Massive, and by some chance it could also be Tammy. You know, you seem to be trying harder to keep Nacho in the game than he was, so it could even be you.

Part of the reason we need to get a lynch before the deadline is so we can find this stuff out. The information is vital. It is D1, and Nacho is the hottest player, so his flip will offer a lot on the current state of allignments.

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We need this lynch m8, so don't fuck this up.

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I already swore myself to eternal damnation if I were scum. It was my ultimate trump card

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See, I didn't even know you had the pwr to vig. If I were scum I would of known that. I would of also known that if I had actually read the thread.

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BTW, you and Tammy really need to make up your mind. Do you want to lynch Nacho and give us some critical information, or do you want to have a no lynch so we can argue about the same bullshit tommorow?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

This game is a joke. We have the least decisive town ever. I bet scum is going to NK me or ricastle, and then it will be 100% impossible to form a lynch party on the obv. scum in Nacho's block.

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All of you are tools

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It wouldn't of been a no lynch if all you tools decided to go after Nacho.

I envy you Nacho, but I also hate u at the same time bcus your the reason town will lose.

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Fuck that. Ricastle in the only player at moment who I feel isn't a total tool.

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Go ahead and lynch me. You've been whored out for the scum team for too long, and your pimp is holding out on us townies

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Mainz, vote Nacho, it is the only way to save your hide. He literally has 3 individual players mindlessly obedient to him.

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While all you clueless townies think your going to catch scum on the Nacho block, scum is fucking you all from behind. Bottoms up!

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But the perfect NK, isn't that right Nacho?

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Do you know her town reads? Do you know her scum reads? She's flitted around the periphery, answering just enough questions without asking too many of her own, abandoned her one read (Aronis) based on meta given her by Nacho without looking to see if it's true ...

I wrote all that for nothing, didn't I.

No, we can discuss it more tommorow. Thanks

[St Constantine the Hermit]

VOTE: Nacho

That was the most dreadful day end ever. You guys just went 'Fuck it!,' and stopped trying.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I stand by my theory that townies are all generic. I am still suspicious of the people who kept talking about town power roles yesterday, they might be scum.

@RedCoyote - Weren't you supposed to reveal the players who had their zodiac sign roled?

BTW, if you get a power by means of the zodiac, and I'm pretty sure that is the only way you can get one, then you HAVE to claim it. The only exception would be if you are the neighborizer, in which case it would be best if you kept your power silent.

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RedCoyote promised to publicly reveal everybody who recieved a fortune (which he has failed to do as of now).

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You guys were seriously dipshit yesterday. I would still say the scum block is on the mainez wagon, but I wonder why scum would of shot Tammy, who was doing a lot more following than scum hunting. I get that she was a weak link, which is why I was appealing to her more than the others on the wagon, but it still seems like the scum would of been better off hitting someone on the nacho wagon.

That leaves me thinking that scum hit Tammy to confuse us and prevent us from following through on the obv scum Nacho.

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@Elusive - Yes, but they claimed themselves. The mod said he would reveal those who recieved fortunes himself in the OP.

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Might of just realized something important. D1 the two fortunes were bestowed on Mainez and Farside22. I don't believe either ever claimed what fortune they got. It could be because they felt it was strategic to keep it silent, but I do feel it is best if we keep good fortunes, and especially bad fortunes, public information.

Can we at least agree that SFTH and Farside22 should claim the bad fortunes they got, since they are essentially anti-town?

Hermy, scumprobably thought they could turn the Tammy NK into a FOS on me and waste time that way or get me mislynched on stupid logic.

Wouldn't they of instigated that play by now? NK speculation by scum usually happens at the start of the game.

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I was hoping my suspicion on Tammy would prevent her from being an NK target because once again shes the first day nK target. meh.

I'm still thinking the Tammy NK was to throw suspicion off the people on the Mainez wagon. She was both a follower and a weak link, so that makes more sense to me. I wouldn't buy a case that you were scum because of the NK in a million years. It wouldn't make sense.

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There were two major wagons yesterday, and chances are the entire scum block, or at least two scum, were voting using the same pattern. I would much rather vote for someone on one of the two major wagons for information purposes, and the Tammy NK strengthened my resolve that scum was Nacho.

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Good fortunes should claim, because the majority of good fortunes are null or protective abilities, and since the people who receive good fortunes are public, they are most subject to the NK.

The bad fortunes should claim because they are anti-town utility, therefore the best thing they can do is inform us of what kinds of things we are dealing with.

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I don't think Mainez is scum, but one possible case for his was the fact that no one pushed for his claim D1, nor was he the subject of the NK, despite scum knowing he had a 50% chance of a power role.

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I'm town reading him, but only because I am not scum reading him. I guess that's why you call null, but null isn't an allegiance so I would classify him as town.

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He isn't doing much scum hunting, and the allusion to the Tammy NK is the only thing that goes on my radar immediately. I think there are stronger cases on the table at this point though.

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If you idiots let Nacho bullshit his way through another day, I am going to never let you forget it if he is scum.

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If he is town though, then we are lynching between Elusive, Ricastle, and Lane666.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Hermy, why are you setting up mislynches? Or at least mine?

In all honesty, what are you hoping to gain from this question? I don't know what faction you are on, so the only person who would know if it was a mislynch or not is you.

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Look, we can discuss a ricastle lynch tommorow. Right now it looks like everytime nacho, the obv scum is about to be lynched, the usual suspects come in and redirect attention like hell.

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All of you have my personal guarantee that I will push Ricastles lynch were Nachomama to flip town.

I swear I'll have to enslave every last one of you Mofo's if you let a counter wagon form on Ricastle while obv. scum lives another day

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Seriously Eluvise, stop meta'ing. We've all had a chance to materialize what you are saying.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Okay, I swear Red Coyote is giving us subliminal hints.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Why am I not voting Ricastle? Because I am voting Nachomama8.

Anything else?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Elusive, alcohol and mafia aren't a good combination. Take a break.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I was already edging towards Ricastle and Massive

tomorrow

, but Nacho is the most informative lynch right now, and the most likely to be scum for me.

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Fools...

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Why are all you hooligans making so much noise. You are interfering with my scum hunting chi.

You can't all be scum. Nacho, Metal, Lane, Ricastle, Massive, Elusive. This game has to much variancy in who we are all scum reading that we'll never hit scum. Right now there are way too many scum possibilities. I am still intent on lynching Nacho because he will offer the most information regarding allegiances. Please, for my sanity, lynch nacho, or at very least stick to a wagon.

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Don't forget that he is at L-1 now

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*Sigh* I doubt anyone will listen to my appeal to come over to this wagon

[St Constantine the Hermit]

No, only Tammy is dead. We had a stalemate D1, and it is looking like we have a stalemate again today. Break the stalemate and vote for Nacho, that guy is scummy as shit if you look back at D1.

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Why do you think that is?

I am scum reading many of the people who have been hesitant to lynch Nacho the whole game (massive, metal), while at least one townie is intent on the idea that he isn't scum. Pushing someone to vote Nacho would most likely just result in another reactionary wagon or stalling tactic.

Aronis does give me so hope though, if he votes for Nacho.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

He is at L-2

I am offering a chance at having town win

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Ricastle, knock it off you dumbass. Vote for the guy you were pushing a lynch on for most of the game.

There will most likely be a combined push from me and farside on metalsonic tommorow unless someone else slips up, so worry about him then.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

All in favor of lynching MetalSonic? All in favor of lynching Massive? All in favor of lynching Mainez?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Aronis could be stealthy scum too, I don't have a particularly strong read on that asshole.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

VOTE: Ricastle

So I have it on good information that Ricastle and Massive are scum. Telepathy isn't supposedly against site rules.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Metalsonic, your horoscope, what was it?

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I also want to know Mainzez D1 good fortune, since he is on almost everybody's radar right now.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

how will knowing my horoscope help you or town?

PR speculation is usually the best double edged sword town has.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I am still on the edge about Ricastle and Massive, which one is more scummy.
VOTE: Massive

I might go back and forth a couple times.

Yeah this is basically trying to out a power role. Wtf?

I only asked for her

D1 horoscope

. It has probably been used already.

She's recieved two horoscopes so far as well, so I am less concerned about her outing one of her two powers when everyone is already scum reading her.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I'm already guessing that it is a daykill or roleblock.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Massive is scum, shut up

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I reviewed and am putting Ricastle back in town. We definely need to lynch between Massive and Mainez today.

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Maybe Aronis

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So...

If that absolved every player from being connected to scum, town would never win this game.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Ricastle, if you think Massive could be scum, then join his wagon with me

[St Constantine the Hermit]

D2 Final Vote Count

Nachomamma8 (6)

(

St Constantine the Hermit

-

lane0168

-

farside22

-

startfromtheheart

-

Ricastle

-

Aronis

)

Ricastle (2)

(

elusive

-

Metal Sonic

)

lane0168 (1)

( massive)

massive (1)

(

Nachomamma8

)

One of the dude's in red is scum. Blue is confirmed town from my perspective.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Also Mainez could be scum. Didn't vote yesterday.

During D1 there was a no lynch. The scum team never have that much trouble getting a lynch on D1.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Aronis said early that we should massclaim. This was odd, because my theory was that all town were vanilla until they recieved a horoscope.

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If you replace out Elusive, I am lynching your slot.

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You weren't the first to think that, Lane.

I say we lynch Massive today, and than Elusive tommorow if Massive isn't scum.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Uh, I should of done this from the beginning

VOTE: Elusive

[St Constantine the Hermit]

You may

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@Start, Because he is

confirmed

scum (TGIS). If you don't buy into that, then consider this. He is tunnelling ppl without voting them, and these inconsistencies are becoming ever more constant.

@Elusive, I didn't feel like answering your question, because it was a bad one. You are painting me out to be responcible for every mislynch. This is a team game after all.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Also ISO Elusive. He is playing such bad scum. There isn't any consistency in what he says. Like, he made a post sheeping me at the same time declaring me scum, twice!

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Ricastle is a back and forth for me, but I am pretty confident he is town of recently.

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Elusive, my compromise would be to lynch Massive with you today. I noticed that you had wagoned him D1, D2, and D3, but took the vote off him when he got to L-1. Still intrested?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Actually, screw that, I am a lot more confident you are scum than Massive.

Here is a very important question, so answer it!

What made you switch your vote off of Massive when he reached L-1, despite your scum read on him? What's up with that?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Also, why haven't you been on one major wagon the ENTIRE game?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Elusive, you think Massive is scum, but are being bullheaded saying only Ricastle will get lynched today. That's suspicious.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

^Especially since you had him tagged up until Massive was at L-1

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I bet if we actually do try and lynch Ricastle (one of my more confident reads), he would switch back to Massive before it was over.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Actually it would be, if you stopped sheeping scum and began voting scum.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I don't do that stupid self vote bet, I know Ricastle is town, and I am pretty damn sure you are scum Elusive.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Ricastle is a back and forth for me, but I am pretty confident he is town of recently.

Orly? What has he done that makes you confident

Circumstances mostly

[St Constantine the Hermit]

That VC is wrong, my last vote was on Elusive. Actually I voted Massive even before that.

Fixed

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I keep flip flopping on Ricastle's allignment. I am not entirely sure there was scum on that wagon, but if there was, then I am guessing there was only 1 max.

My scum read on Elusive and Massive is very strong right now though.

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I am pretty confident now though that Ricastle is town. A lot of his own flip flopping seems genuine town, I wouldn't want to lynch him.

Lane66 could be either way for me, he is a hard player to read.

Startfromtheheart might be scum, but his slot has played it safe, and I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching him yet.

I wouldn't rule out Aronis as being scum just because Nacho wasn't scum reading him. He is actually the scummiest player on the Nacho wagon IMO.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Lynching town is a bad compromise m8

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Well at least I was right about Massive.