Mini 1710: A Midnight Sun -Game Over-

Firebringer · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:22 pm

In post 7, Elbirn wrote:Evening all, lotta new faces. Happy to meet ya ^_^

Now that pleasantries are out of the way

VOTE: Firebringer

Hi fire!

HI Elbirn!

No vote for me, I want to look suspicious day 1. Its my strategy.

Firebringer · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:23 pm

Yo yo Blank Face, whats up?
Nice playing with you some more.

And howdy to you Klingoncelt.

Firebringer · Post Post #15 (isolation #2) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:28 pm

In post 14, ShadedMelee wrote:VOTE: Morning Sun
Now you can vote me for creating a wagon in RVS.

Wagons help us get out of RVS.
Fire approves of this vote.

Firebringer · Post Post #17 (isolation #3) » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:33 pm

I told you, my plan is took sketchy. It will help me survive the nights.

WIFOM at its finest.

Firebringer · Post Post #25 (isolation #4) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:21 am

Id like to pretend that I knew this game was nightless, but I didn't.
So I guess i will survive the nights

First nightless game for me WOOT!

@Elbirn If I was, I wouldn't tell you. Stupid question bro.

Firebringer · Post Post #47 (isolation #5) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:21 pm

In post 45, Morning Sun wrote:Ok so:
Gonna call Lick town
Elb looks fake, I don't like it
Firebringer is off ( I know I scumread you always, sorry bae :3) .. tho now he really is tooo much
Suzune strikes me as something.. not sure what tho
Anyway the last two posts together with this one are made by
~Umbreon

Wait, have I played with you? I don't know these 'umbreon" lol.

I like Elb leave him alone!

Firebringer · Post Post #49 (isolation #6) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:26 pm

Ohhh god, thats a scum duo lol.
I don't know if I should be scared or reassured. If you are scum it should be easy to figure out, if you are town you will look just enough scummy to look town (That make sense?)

Firebringer · Post Post #58 (isolation #7) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:12 pm

In post 55, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 22, Empoleon Bellaparte wrote:VOTE: lickity

Too many words without a vote.

-bella

Hi FB, Kling, Marc

Hi.

You're a hydra, right?

Hydra of Bella and Espeonage(that how you spell it?)

Firebringer · Post Post #61 (isolation #8) » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:40 pm

I hope Morning Sun is town, I like playing with both heads, wouldn't want to go against them unless I have to.
Morning got any reads as of yet?

@Lickety I think I have played with nearly a third of the players here? Or am playing?
BlankFace, Klingoncelt, MorningSun, Elbirn, Empoleon Bellapatre (bella head).

Everyone else I don't believe I have played with, unless with their alts?

Firebringer · Post Post #94 (isolation #9) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:37 am

In post 90, Morning Sun wrote:@Fire I think you had enough of doing nothing too. Pls give out some thoughts, reads and possibly a vote. I really wanna read you :s
~umbreon

Except I like doing nothing......
You guys should include me as a third head of this hydra in a future game. I call flareon.

@BlankFace I have you at null buddy, like a majority of the players here. I am not quick to jump to conclusions this early into game (most of time)

I feel like grapes was easily pressured into giving reads this early. Maybe he just wanted to feel like he was doing something, but I don't know.

Firebringer · Post Post #97 (isolation #10) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:44 am

Maybe I am just overreacting, the way the posts read it was like lickety was asking you to contribute more, then you just kind of complied. I will take it as null for now.

Firebringer · Post Post #103 (isolation #11) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:40 am

Pressure the players who have yet to speak, for t hey are the ones who hide the most.
VOTE: Penguin alien

Speak now, or forever be tunneled!

Firebringer · Post Post #143 (isolation #12) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:26 am

If I was town read by everyone, I wouldn't feel comfortable. Even as scum that worries me lol

Firebringer · Post Post #147 (isolation #13) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:38 am

Hey Sala and Gameplay, I call being Flareon you hear!

Firebringer · Post Post #149 (isolation #14) » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:43 am

Thats hilarious Lickey! You are null to me too

Firebringer · Post Post #178 (isolation #15) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:22 am

In post 165, penguin_alien wrote:LQ, how did you go from your presumed strongest scum read being Suzune to changing your mind after a reread? You went to null from getting a recent frustrated vibe, but what exactly in the reread charge your mind that strongly?

Suzune, can you point me to the completed game of yours that you'd consider your strongest town game thus far?

Firebringer, why do you think it's a good use of your time to vote someone who hasn't had time to read the thread yet? Why wander off from the scum hunting and sorting going on elsewhere?

Hi VysePresident!

Need to reread this tangle of a thread with a fresh head before deciding if I feel like voting yet.

Considering this is your only post yet and only after I am going to do logic fallacy for you. This therefore because of this.

Why don't you participate more so I can sort you and perhaps move my vote?

If you don't post, you are completely null so why wouldn't I vote a lurker?

Firebringer · Post Post #188 (isolation #16) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:56 pm

The game has been going on for awhile time to give a basic reads list:
Town-
ME!
Elbirn
Morning Sun
Empoleon Bellapatre
grapes

Null-
Suzune
BlankFace
LicketyQuickety
penguin_alien
VysePresident

Scum-
ShadedMelee
Marcell

All of these are based on my gut! So please feel free to rip it apart and call it shit.

Firebringer · Post Post #189 (isolation #17) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:56 pm

Ohhh Klingoncelt is null to. Leaning scum.

Firebringer · Post Post #191 (isolation #18) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:01 pm

In post 188, Firebringer wrote:The game has been going on for awhile time to give a basic reads list:
Town-
ME!
Elbirn
Morning Sun
Empoleon Bellapatre
grapes

Null-
Suzune
BlankFace
LicketyQuickety
penguin_alien
VysePresident

Scum-
ShadedMelee
Marcell

All of these are based on my gut! So please feel free to rip it apart and call it shit.

I just want to note I feel like my town reads are pretty biased. For at least Morning Sun and Elbirn I townread them more because I like them and I am hoping they truly are town with me. Grapes is probably my strongest town read overall, followed by Empoleon

Firebringer · Post Post #195 (isolation #19) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:26 pm

@Lickety its best not to try to explore my mind, its a empty abyss that no one has managed to find any reason or logic too.

Firebringer · Post Post #200 (isolation #20) » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:06 pm

In post 199, Klingoncelt wrote:Guys, I'm really sick tonight. I can't focus on the game. I'll try again tomorrow.

Hope you feel better Klingon ;(

Even though my gut says you are scum.

@Marcell you just seem 'there' if you know what I mean? Like you are here but kind of in shadows a bit, not noticeable not drawing that much attention. Seems like what scum would do with all these seemingly TvTs going on.

Firebringer · Post Post #223 (isolation #21) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:27 am

In post 209, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 200, Firebringer wrote:
In post 199, Klingoncelt wrote:Guys, I'm really sick tonight. I can't focus on the game. I'll try again tomorrow.

Hope you feel better Klingon ;(

Even though my gut says you are scum.

@Marcell you just seem 'there' if you know what I mean? Like you are here but kind of in shadows a bit, not noticeable not drawing that much attention. Seems like what scum would do with all these seemingly TvTs going on.

*sigh* I am so tired of being scumread early in the game. How many times do people have to see my Town (or in this case Human) flip before they figure out that I'm not Scum in every damn game I play? It's depressing and demotivating.

Umm Klingon, this post worries me. We all get scum read by someone usually within first day. Why are you so surprised that I did?

This post gives me just bad vibes.

Firebringer · Post Post #224 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 9:28 am

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Please get better Klingon!

Firebringer · Post Post #248 (isolation #23) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:17 pm

Not very offended.
I guess my reads list = Not Scum Hunting.

I don't explain my reads throughly, I guess thats why?
I think Marcell, Kling and ShadedMelee are the scum in this game. I might be wrong about 1 maybe 2. But I think at least one of these is scum.

I would put money on it.

Firebringer · Post Post #252 (isolation #24) » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:35 pm

ShadedMelee is a lurker! Also "promises to catchup" and doesn't. Is that a scum tell, no. I just find it out they wanted us out of RVS with a wagon then doesn't come back. I mean I guess real life stuff, but come on. Lurk after you get out of RVS, what?

Marcell because he is kind of 'there' he is posting and contributing, but what can you honestly say about him so far? I know so many games where scum just kind of are there. They contribute a bit, but they don't make huge waves. That thats it feels like he has been doing.

Klingon is more of gut feeling in this one. I like Klingon but this game just feels scummy, especially with her reaction to me reading her as scum, that seemed like scum frustration than town. Although it could just be from her being sick.

I don't know if any of these will suffice for you, but that is my mindset right now. I know some other people are guilty of doing the things I mentioned for these, but thats where I am.

Firebringer · Post Post #264 (isolation #25) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:43 pm

In post 260, Suzune wrote:
In post 259, Morning Sun wrote:*Looks* Oh Suzzne was in that game (Which is sad because that ruins my deep dark desire that suznne is a bookitty alt and that she would come back to me ) No I didn't remember Suznne's presense that game that much for I was looking at other players before her, like my slot, Bookitty, Farside, and House to be exact. But to be fair Suznne wasn't doing much when I called her scum and didn't do much until later and that bugged me as I find her to be a great reader inbetween the lines and easy to towntell.

Well I regret to be the one to tell you but I am not a bookitty alt. I'm just Suzune who Soren and Lucian fished up from my own site and told me to move here and play with them. Therefore, I will not be the harbinger of Bookitty returning to you. I apologise~

In post 252, Firebringer wrote: I know so many games where scum just kind of are there. They contribute a bit, but they don't make huge waves. That thats it feels like he has been doing.
This is the kind of behavior we should look for, ripples in the water. People who appear to be around but are not really doing anything to move the story on. No offense but the post I quoted this from feels a bit like that. By saying you are only going on gut you are pretty much not giving the town any leeway to discuss anything, so sufficiently stonewalling the conversation. The post looks helpful on the surface but is not pushing the game forward. This kind of behavior is what you were just suggesting, was it not? You would not happen to be one of those lurking mafia, would you?

Sadly blank I appreciate you town reads because town hunting is important too, but I would like to hear about your scum reads as well.

About Kling; I am just sensing a little bit of fluff right now. I would really appreciate if he got into the game and started talking more. Realistically I have only played in games where he is scum before, but this not talking much is new to me...

Marcell is rubbing me the wrong way. His posts are either agreeing with someone else, making a joke, or sort of sidestepping a problem. This strikes me as not wanting to create a disturbance or trying to slip away unseen by posting. Also only having five posts at this point into the game he is barely skirting being here enough. Honestly I would love to place a vote on him but I want to check the vote count first because so many people seem interested in him.

So for the time being, I will toss by vote onto the other person with the light posting touch
VOTE: Firebringer
Who in the end did not really go back and explain his reads...

You just jumped from null to scum in this post.

Wanna know why?

How in the hell am I lurking? Even if you wanna say I am active lurking that is false since I gave reads and explanations for it. So while some of my posts are fluff, your argument is shit.

Firebringer · Post Post #265 (isolation #26) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:45 pm

If anyone is 'lurking' it is probably you Suzune. Which I don't even feel like that is true since you have been giving quite a bit of content in the few posts you have managed.

But you are much more lurkerish than me.

Firebringer · Post Post #268 (isolation #27) » Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:18 pm

In post 266, Suzune wrote:If lurking is not wanting to make any ripples in the water. Then in my opinion you are lurking. Now that there are more posts and evidence out there I have some comparison. Try to keep up okay, because I am only going to keep giving full effort.

That isn't lurking.
Go look up the definition of lurking.

And how have I not been making ripples if I am pushing on Klingon and nanmed two other players as scum?

What?!?!?!?

You hear yourself?

Firebringer · Post Post #270 (isolation #28) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:46 am

In post 269, Suzune wrote:Fire I was teasing you with the end of that post...apparently it was not successful.

I didn't see the joke or teasing in it.
It seemed silly and nonsensical.

Firebringer · Post Post #278 (isolation #29) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:29 pm

I don't equate reads any differently than gut feelings.
Your gut can be wrong, so can reads.
They are interchangeable.

You can try putting yourself in the mindset of what scum would do in situations and how they would react but you can't account for everything. Not all scum act the same, somethings could be meta. I don't think most of it is.

I think that your feelings get mixed into your reads no matter what you do. Their is no "data" in this game. Unless you count the bits and bytes that make up the text to formulate post.

Scumhunting is just getting into the mindset of scum and trying to see what they would do and see if anyone is mimicking that type of behavior.

I don't think any one action is scum for instance. I can act very 'anti town' that some will try to lynch me because I might avoid a question or not respond to someone. That is just my behavior. So everything you have to take with a little grain of salt and try to see what scum are feeling and thinking as best as you can.

This involves gut most of the time.

Anyone who says otherwise is fooling themselves.

Firebringer · Post Post #280 (isolation #30) » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:15 pm

In post 279, Suzune wrote:Well naturally, scum hunting and gut are part of the same practice. However, backing your gut feeling is important. I could say, "I do not believe in global warming. However, if I don't back this with facts it is just my opinion." Facts are important to solidify feelings. Or at least that is how I was taught to play this game. I understand early reads are often gut, but as we advance out, they need to be less gut and more fact.

What facts?
Everything in here is words, the only factual information is claim which we can usually sort with investigative night actions(which don't exist in this game since it is nightless).

Its all words, and they can be interpreted a number of ways.
One persons scum tell is another persons town tell.

My reads were early reads, I think we are differing on when we should have solid reads now. You form reads much faster than I do, I just don't. I need more time, and when I do they still aren't backed up with a lot, because a lot of early stuff is completely Null to me.

When stuff pings me it usually is a hard ping.

Firebringer · Post Post #291 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:07 am

In post 287, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm having a hell of a time getting reads this game.

I don't know BlankFace, Grapes, Penguin_alien, ShadedMelee, or VysePresident.

I have trouble reading Firebringer and Elbirn.

The Morning Sun hydra, I'm not familiar with Gameplay/Umbreon, and Salamence seems subdued.

That leaves the Empoleon Bellapatre hydra, LicketyQuickety, Marcrell, and Suzune, and I have leaning to strong Town reads on them.

Do you ever not have trouble reading me?

Firebringer · Post Post #297 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:20 am

In post 294, ShadedMelee wrote:
In post 209, Klingoncelt wrote:*sigh* I am so tired of being scumread early in the game. How many times do people have to see my Town (or in this case Human) flip before they figure out that I'm not Scum in every damn game I play? It's depressing and demotivating.

In contrast to FB's opinion, this is a town post.

How is that a town post? It looks like a sympathy grabbing post.
Maybe it is genuine, but it doesn't feel like it at all.

How many games have you played with Klingoncelt?

@BF how you feel about Klingon right now?

Firebringer · Post Post #316 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:28 pm

I don't like being town read this much, it is freaking me out.

Firebringer · Post Post #319 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:34 pm

I don't see your case on Elbirn right now, maybe I am blindsided by my town read on him.....I will try doing an ISO later.

Firebringer · Post Post #332 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:39 pm

So BlankFace, what you think about me so far in this game compared to our recently finished Newbie game?

Firebringer · Post Post #353 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:12 am

In post 338, LicketyQuickety wrote:BTW, Poker players might understand this term, but the reason I have not moved my vote yet is because I'm floating it.

I play poker and have no idea what you mean by this.
I guess I don't play enough.

In post 341, LicketyQuickety wrote:I feel like my reads are off a bit this game. Can't explain it, just seems like there's not enough activity and its effecting my reads. Would really like people to stop lurking so much.

Town post.

Firebringer · Post Post #358 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:03 am

In post 356, LicketyQuickety wrote:K, since I'm a town read (for most of you) I'm going to shake things up a bit. I have 4 (four) tapes at my disposal. I'm willing to send a message with some info I can't disclose here to one of my town reads. Its up for grabs between Emp Bella, Morning Sun, Suzune and possibly grapes if any of you can convince me its a good idea. that goes double for grapes since I have the weakest town read on him currently.

Ready, go!

lol...what could you possibly be hiding from us?
You have been posting wall post after wall post lol.

I am sorry, this seemed like a joke when I read it.

Firebringer · Post Post #361 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:21 am

^These Hydra fails....

Firebringer · Post Post #366 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:55 am

NOT SALA!!!!!!!!
GAMEPLAY!!!

NOES!

Firebringer · Post Post #373 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 372, Morning Sun wrote:I'll give Gameplay a Day.

Also, he is scumreading Fire. Its something worth noting.

Gameplay has a surprisingly above average scumreading ratio.

Really? Gameplay thinks I am scum?

I think he always thinks I am scum dude.

Firebringer · Post Post #382 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 376, LicketyQuickety wrote:In fact, with the reaction that Fire had I'm willing to:

VOTE: Fire

We officially have a bad town.
Always has to be one, sometimes its me. This game its Lickety.
Have fun with that Lickety.

In post 377, LicketyQuickety wrote:But @Fire, you can redeem yourself by telling us all how many tapes you started with.

Do I look like your lap boy?
Do I look like I need your dumb 'redemption'?

Screw you pal.
I don't take orders. Especially to get in anyones 'good graces'

Firebringer · Post Post #385 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:16 pm

@Lickety, I don't know what you are talking about.
I wasn't shocked about your tapes, I was shocked you were going to use them to send "private info" to your top reads.

Like what possibly could you be holding back on us?
Nothing.

If you are holding back reads/info thats anti town.

Firebringer · Post Post #387 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:36 pm

I never said you do this willy nilly. I think its just well....stupid.

I don't see the point in these tapes. They seem to be more useful to scum than to town.

Firebringer · Post Post #389 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:06 pm

@Suzune, they do have a day chat? I guess nightless would have to.....
I don't get the point of the casette tapes at all then.
What their real purpose, I thought it was just you know WIFOM for scum sending messages to each other or townie.

Firebringer · Post Post #391 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:16 pm

lol you win a prize before for reading players?
Cause you get the nobel prize for getting everything wrong!!!

WOOT WOOT!

I will be the host for the awards ceremony.

Should be fun.

Meanwhile, the actual scum are likely just lurking in this thread.
You know, like most scum do.

Firebringer · Post Post #393 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:24 pm

I have 30 tapes.
All of which I plan not to use, cause they are worthless lol.

Firebringer · Post Post #395 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:26 pm

In post 394, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 393, Firebringer wrote:I have 30 tapes.
All of which I plan not to use, cause they are worthless lol.

Is this an honest answer? be real with me here.

I started with 2 tapes, just like everyone else man.
Nobody started out with more.

This tape discussion is just silly.

Firebringer · Post Post #397 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:33 pm

I thought you could send tapes to players and they can keep them...can they not?
I thought someone sent you 2 tapes for some weird reason.

W/e I don't care for the tapes.

Firebringer · Post Post #399 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:46 pm

I care enough to read the setup again to see if their was difference in number sent out to players.
I am being a little lazy with this game since it is a nightless and for most part simplistic game.

The only thing 'interesting' is the tapes, and they are arguably worthless.

Firebringer · Post Post #446 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:42 pm

So all your reads are illogical?

Yeah, I don't follow this either. Its kind of like a weird mind game Lickety is trying to play that nobody but him understands.
I mean its so odd and gives me a few good laughs.

I do think Klingon is scum, though the reasons Lickety mentioned are pretty laughable.

Firebringer · Post Post #448 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:56 pm

Wow not the first one to slam me for playing so many games.
I know people who only play 1 or 2 games and still don't know what the hell is happening lol.

I don't even take notes for my games. Don't believe in them.

I agreed with you on Klingoncelt, I am not trying to discredit you Lickety, I am saying your thought process for this is kind of alien to most of us. It doesn't mean its wrong!!!

You can have a false premise that leads to a right conclusion.

Firebringer · Post Post #450 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:03 pm

Did you not just read what I said?

False Premise can lead to a right conclusion.

What exactly does that mean to you?

Cause I can say Klingoncelt is scum this game because she posted "Hi" in first post. And everyone knows that "Hi" Equals SCUM! Guilty. She flips scum, GUESS MY PREMISE WAS RIGHT!?!?!?!?

Firebringer · Post Post #476 (isolation #53) » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:07 pm

Lickety, you are jumping around so much.
I can't follow you at all.

I think you have switched votes at least 3 times in last 2 pages.

Firebringer · Post Post #481 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 480, LicketyQuickety wrote:the only lynches that make sense at this point are:

Kling
ShadedMelee
Marcrell

If you are not voting one of these people please do.

Weird how I agree with all three of these....

Firebringer · Post Post #498 (isolation #55) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:12 am

This game is stalling.
We need to condense on a train.
Can we agree on one of the following:
Klingoncelt, Marcell, ShadedMelee

Firebringer · Post Post #511 (isolation #56) » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:55 pm

VOTE: ShadedMelee
I am fine going with this route.

Firebringer · Post Post #532 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:50 am

@VysePresident, Sorry I don't see your case on Elbirn. Like I read it, maybe it has some points. I just don't agree with them. If Shaded flips town, I may reconsider your points on Elbirn but I just don't believe it atm.

Firebringer · Post Post #552 (isolation #58) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:23 am

I would be happy if you venge kill Marcell. Elbirn I still feel would flip town.

Firebringer · Post Post #556 (isolation #59) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:57 am

Wait...Theirs no flip?
OMG!!!

Now, I am scared. This is like driving blind or I don't have another comparison.

Firebringer · Post Post #561 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:09 pm

In post 560, Morning Sun wrote:This is important, as one who has played Hardcore mafia with no flips before, WE MUST NOT let the paranoia fuck us up. Shaded claimed vengeful and the mod has not confirmed a shot. That means he was lying and that he is scum.

Lets not try to draw this out. He was scum. The end.

~Espeon

I am already paranoid and freaking out.
Its too late for me.

Firebringer · Post Post #563 (isolation #61) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:11 pm

Shouldn't we be looking on the wagon for scum who bussed him?
I don't think its Lickety.
VOTE: Marcell

I WANT THIS MOFO AT L-1 BY DAYS END!

Firebringer · Post Post #565 (isolation #62) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:14 pm

No, I have never played NIghtless or No Flip.
Combine these two and it seems liek the most troll idea ever.
WHO INVENTED THIS STUFF!?!?!?

Firebringer · Post Post #568 (isolation #63) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:24 pm

In post 567, LicketyQuickety wrote:There was a hammer? I suppose we should wait to see if there is another death.

We don't need to wait to discuss that train.
Right now its likely Shaded was scum.

Firebringer · Post Post #573 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:06 pm

Welll....

I guess that means Shaded was scum.
I didn't have a really strong town read on her anyways lol. I wasn't getting scum but yeah.
Weird choice by Shaded. I wouldve killed Lickety or Elbirn.

Anyways, Lets get this train on Marcell going!

Firebringer · Post Post #575 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:43 pm

I don't understand your confusion.

Firebringer · Post Post #577 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:50 pm

In post 576, BlankFace wrote:I do. That was either the venge kill or night kill, doesn't confirm that Shaded was scum.

Wait, how do you have night kills in nightless?
#Confused

Firebringer · Post Post #588 (isolation #67) » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:07 pm

Who all saw PA as a strong town read? I don't think anyone really..

Firebringer · Post Post #602 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:20 am

Yay 3 votes and 3 trains. This game is progressing well

Firebringer · Post Post #622 (isolation #69) » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:37 pm

In post 619, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm pretty much lost now.

Lickety's still scummy looking, but not quite so much.

Firebringer, on the other hand, starts this Day going from full-blown paranoia to cheering the wagons, without contributing anything of value. Creepy.

VOTE: Firebringer

You find me creepy?
WELL I FIND YOU CREEPY!

Klingoncelt, I am still convinced you are scum. I stopped pushing you cause you tend to be a easy mislynch.

I want Marcell lynched though.

Firebringer · Post Post #625 (isolation #70) » Wed Sep 09, 2015 4:43 pm

Klingoncelt considers being creepy a compliment.....
Okay then, I don't like you saying Marcell posting = Town.
What?

That is the oddest meta I have ever heard.
Next you will you will say posting a certain number of times in a given hour is scummy.

Firebringer · Post Post #630 (isolation #71) » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:33 pm

Klingoncelt is going rogue on her reads and votes.
I like it

Firebringer · Post Post #674 (isolation #72) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:50 am

In post 669, VysePresident wrote:
In post 49, Firebringer wrote:Ohhh, thats a scum duo lol.
I don't know if I should be scared or reassured. If you are scum it should be easy to figure out, if you are town you will look just enough scummy to look town (That make sense?)

Out of curiosity, where's your read at on MS now, Fire?

He is not as town as I first saw him. He is more null as the game has progressed.
I don't want to lynch him today though.

I read through your case on Elbirn, I don't know meta wise this seems like his town game man.

Firebringer · Post Post #689 (isolation #73) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:31 pm

Here is a game with town Elbirn:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=62603

Firebringer · Post Post #690 (isolation #74) » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:32 pm

In post 680, Klingoncelt wrote:
I'm doing my reads tonight. (I'll finally have some time to devote to them.)

I've been Scum with Marc before. He made a couple of greeting/rvs posts, then flaked. It's my understanding that it's his usual Scum meta. So as long as he's posting, he's leaning Town. Leaning, not solid.

That is such horrible meta on a player.

Why...just why would that be your usual behavior as scum? Ugh. Some people.

Firebringer · Post Post #701 (isolation #75) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:43 am

Ugh this game, no movement.
GET ON THE LYNCH TRAIN FOR MARCEL

Firebringer · Post Post #704 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:52 am

In post 702, Suzune wrote:I hate to poke you so much...but,

I am uncertain the foundation of your frustration. We learned already that the flips are not going to be revealed and since the game has only day phases there will be no mafia kill. Therefore, voting and closing the vote will only eliminate a player rather then progress the progress of this game since the kill will yield us no new information. Unless you have plans otherwise, what precisely do you expect to happen?

I still expect some progression.

We seem to be going in some odd circle right now.
I might just vote BF just cause I don't have a solid town read on him and its a leading wagon.

I am hesitant because 1) Marcell is on it. 2) Last game this was how BF played and he was town.

Firebringer · Post Post #706 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:57 am

What?

Firebringer · Post Post #708 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:59 am

In post 707, Suzune wrote:What do you expect to happen? That is what I want to know. I am trying to figure out what you are thinking.

I expect some sort of unison action since quite a few people have similar reads on players.

Right now I want to start a town block. Get this game into overdrive.

Firebringer · Post Post #709 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:01 am

In post 298, Klingoncelt wrote:

Can't say anything because ongoing games but I have figured out your alignment in that M-FM.

Some people I just can't get a grip on.

lol now that the game has ended we can discuss.

I BET YOU WERE NOWHERE RIGHT ON MY ALIGNMENT LOL!

Firebringer · Post Post #712 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:35 am

In post 710, Suzune wrote:The second sentence/paragraph, was more loose though. I was thinking about Vsye, and his comment to me about "What do you think of me?" You happened to be mentioning blank who was also in that game. I wondered if the players and the ideas were related.

p-edit I have lingering suspicion about you, therefore, I for one would be hesitant yet to back a play by you.

I am so confused by this post Suzune.

STOP BEING CONFUSING.

Firebringer · Post Post #734 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:14 pm

In post 729, Klingoncelt wrote:
Evil Neutral. Yep, nailed it. You (*******) shoulda lynched Titus and Frog. I was SO pissed off.

How in the hell did you guess Neutral Evil?
I even confused Frog completely on that.
>.>

I thought I looked Neutral at worst.

Firebringer · Post Post #736 (isolation #82) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:16 pm

In post 716, Elbirn wrote:
In post 715, Suzune wrote:Having no flip does create a damper on the game because it is impossible to know if we are doing well or going in the right direction.

And that's exactly why I think we need to analyze the shaded situation, but everyone thinks I'm crazy and "hurr durr wifom"

Frankly I'm proceeding with the assumption that we've got 2 dead townies. We can see shaded was a vengeful, and penguin was vanilla. There's really not any info missing, it's like a regular game on day 2 after a town lynch. Come on guys.

Vyse I read your words and there were a lot of them and I'll get to them when I feel like it but for now lemme just ask, are you a lyncher or what?

Wait are we positive that Shaded was town?

I don't know site meta to know how often Vengeful Town is in games, but it sounds like a extremely anti town role. I feel like Shaded was scum.

Also, I am starting to think with others that only Shaded flip was hidden? I don't know. Thats where I am at.

Firebringer · Post Post #741 (isolation #83) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:29 pm

All of this talk about tapes is derailing.
Unless you sent a tape to someone or received a tape. I DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT!

Firebringer · Post Post #744 (isolation #84) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:37 pm

I am one of those who likes everything out in the open.
Tapes are for gambits. (at least that is what I am getting their intended purpose is)
I don't like gambits as town. 9 out of 10 times they fail.

So you see why I don't like them?

Also just because you have a resource, doesn't mean you should use it.
If I had a vigilante shot, I wouldn't just shoot someone just because I had the ability too.
You have to analyze the Cost Risk Analysis.

For tapes their appears to be no Cost obviously to using them, but relying on them and basing this game on them. Is definitely a risk.

Firebringer · Post Post #756 (isolation #85) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:09 pm

In post 753, Klingoncelt wrote:
Exactly.

Fire doesn't get confused easily, he sure as hell won't announce it.

This reminds me of what Banana was saying about my playstyle in that other game.
I remember Banana was scum too. You should have voted with me on that.

I am feeling weaker and weaker on scum reading you. Do you honestly believe this stuff you are saying Kling?

I mean, its just an odd meta you have on me. I am not allowed to be confused ever? lol. Its just odd.

Firebringer · Post Post #760 (isolation #86) » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:37 pm

In post 757, Klingoncelt wrote:
This reminds me of what Banana was saying about my playstyle in that other game.
I remember Banana was scum too. You should have voted with me on that.

I am feeling weaker and weaker on scum reading you. Do you honestly believe this stuff you are saying Kling?

I mean, its just an odd meta you have on me. I am not allowed to be confused ever? lol. Its just odd.

You don't allow yourself to be confused.

Banana was crying like a baby, we're talking Olympic gold-medal-level AtE here. And Town was hardcore derp.

Tell you what, I'll unvote for now, how's that? All better?

UNVOTE: [/quote]
I don't know how I honestly feel about this, I don't remember asking to be unvoted.
I was just wondering how strong you actually felt about it. Cause it seemed very strong and I couldn't wrap my head around it.

Firebringer · Post Post #775 (isolation #87) » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:21 pm

I just want to voice the opinion I am extremely against a BlankFace lynch today.

Firebringer · Post Post #777 (isolation #88) » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:30 am

In post 776, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 775, Firebringer wrote:I just want to voice the opinion I am extremely against a BlankFace lynch today.

Ok, so what do you have to back up this opinion?

It's a opinion so my gut.
The BF wagon looks weak if not forced, and I kinda want to relooj at everyone on it for sheeting it.

Firebringer · Post Post #795 (isolation #89) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:42 am

^ what grapes says, like Suzune has been theorycrafting as far as how to use the tapes. But not much in actual scum hunting today.
I am not saying its scummy, but its definitely not that useful to the town.

Firebringer · Post Post #798 (isolation #90) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:16 pm

I mean that strikes me as town that post by Suzune. Its odd he still hasn't voted me, its not like he doesn't have support from people like Klingoncelt.

Seems odd.

Firebringer · Post Post #803 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:07 pm

In post 801, LicketyQuickety wrote:BF, I know effort is not indicative of alignment, but c'mon, its like you not trying like its going out of style.

If BF doesn't start producing, I think we should lynch him.

So now this is a policy lynch?

Firebringer · Post Post #808 (isolation #92) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:26 am

Happy bday Kling!

Firebringer · Post Post #825 (isolation #93) » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:17 pm

Lol, I am still scum.

Firebringer · Post Post #836 (isolation #94) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:23 am

Elbirn your case on Vyse seems OMGUS a bit.
I know you posted about him, but he really seems just town.

You two fighting seems TvT to me

Firebringer · Post Post #840 (isolation #95) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:32 am

In post 838, Vedith wrote:Evening all.

I'll start looking over the thread shortly.

My town hero!

Firebringer · Post Post #842 (isolation #96) » Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:34 am

I am pretty sure LIckety voted you first.

Firebringer · Post Post #876 (isolation #97) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:04 pm

In post 850, Vedith wrote:Hi FB and Grapes! ^^
Sorry guys, I was going to do my catch up earlier but the site was down. I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow as I'm really tired.

Hey VEDITH!!!!

I got a strong town read on your slot.
Isn't that such a change of pace?

Firebringer · Post Post #877 (isolation #98) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:06 pm

You know what?
VysePresident has me convinced on Elbirn.
I think meta-wise Elbirn could be town. I shouldn't rule it out just based on meta since you can manipulate meta to your own favor.

Going to regret this:
VOTE: Elbirn

If Elbirn is town, I am such a stupid sheep.

Firebringer · Post Post #878 (isolation #99) » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:08 pm

Updated Reads List:
Town

Lickety
Vedith
VysePresident
BlankFace
Suzune
grapes

Null
Elbirn-Moving you here buddy.
Empoleon Bellapatre

Scum
Marcell
Klingoncelt

Firebringer · Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:04 am

In post 884, Vedith wrote:
In post 560, Morning Sun wrote:This is important, as one who has played Hardcore mafia with no flips before, WE MUST NOT let the paranoia fuck us up. Shaded claimed vengeful and the mod has not confirmed a shot. That means he was lying and that he is scum.

Lets not try to draw this out. He was scum. The end.

~Espeon

I like this post, MorningSon gets town points from me.

FB is town also btw - I'm just calling it.

So I have 2 people in my town slot so far.

Reading on!

Umm Vedith...You replaced MS lol

Firebringer · Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:05 am

In post 880, LicketyQuickety wrote:\
STOP PLAYING SCUMMY ON PURPOSE!!!

So am I scum or not?
Like can you fix your read on me at some point?
I would appreciate it
Kthx

Firebringer · Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:33 am

^ That pretty much.

If BF wanted to coast by, he could have claimed that he was a human.
He didn't.

I don't doubt his claim atm, I think those who are might be suspicious.
Who wants PR killed the most? Scum.

Firebringer · Post Post #971 (isolation #103) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:12 pm

In post 962, Elbirn wrote:
In post 961, LicketyQuickety wrote:Would like to hear more peoples thought on BF before I remove my vote.

BF is a bad wagon.

VOTE: vedith

Sorry I'm a lurksack. I'll be here tomorrow.

This is a bad vote.

Firebringer · Post Post #972 (isolation #104) » Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:13 pm

Elbirn you realize that Vedith is taking MS slot, weren't you reading MS as town?

Firebringer · Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:49 am

I honestly now am reconsidering my scum read on Klingoncelt.

Partly cause Marcell was town, partly behavior this game.
Klingoncelt is playing this like a completely different person, but I kinda believe the reasons why.

I don't know, maybe I am crazy.

Firebringer · Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:58 pm

In post 1080, Klingoncelt wrote:

Scum
Firebringer - He's not as involved and Towntrollish as usual, not by a long shot.

This is such a horrible meta read you have on me.

I am not a troll >.>

Firebringer · Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:00 am

In post 1097, Vedith wrote:Anyone can say that they are human.

@everyone reading either or both Likety and FB as town, can you say why?

Don't you always think I am scum?

Lickety is obviously the most town person here Vedith. I don't know what you are doing, scum reading me okay whatever, but Lickety?
Really?

This sounds like normal weird you though. So ADD MORE TOWN POINTS TO VEDITH FOR THIS!

Firebringer · Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:14 am

In post 1100, Vedith wrote:But why is he town for you?

Lickety has been active and contributing to the game since the beginning. Giving reads, thoughts, and strategy to the game. All his reads have progression and from looks of it seem genuine. He doesn't appear to be just sheeping onto trains that have the most support and actively pushs the players he think are scum. If Lickety isn't town, jeez. We are in for a bad game lol.

I haven't agreed with everything Lickety has said, especially some of his reads/plans, especially with the tapes. I do think he is town trying to win though. I don't think he is scum trying to manipulate us.

Firebringer · Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:17 pm

In post 1127, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm V/LA until Tuesday. Life is sucking.

Sorry to hear that Klingon!

Anyways, we should focus on examining the train on Marcell (even me, even though I was off it) scum were likely opportunistic on that.

Firebringer · Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:25 pm

In post 1050, 4nxi3ty wrote:
"Then Donald's rage and Olivia's panic."

"After the violence"

"Yep, after."

Marcrell (6) - BlankFace, Klingoncelt, Elbirn, LicketyQuickety, VysePresident, Vedith

BlankFace (2) - grapes, Empoleon Bellapatre
Elbirn (1) - Firebringer
Firebringer (2) - Marcrell, Suzune

Not voting:

Marcrell was Lynched,
Eleanor Bay
,
Human

It is now Day 3!

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-05 19:05:44)

In post 554, 4nxi3ty wrote:
"My husband was the one who kept telling me about the loons, the god damn loons, but I didn't listen. But who was really that supertitious at the time? Who can read an omen for what it is? God damn loons floating on the water with their white bellies to the sky with their wings broken."

"Sometimes we raise our hopes so high past the sky and past all earthly cares and cries."

Elbirn (1) - VysePresident
Klingoncelt (2) - Elbirn, LicketyQuickety
Marcrell (1) - BlankFace
LicketyQuickety (1) - Klingoncelt

ShadedMelee (7) - grapes,
Marcrell,
Morning Sun, Firebringer, penguin_alien, Suzune, Empoleon Bellapatre

Empoleon Bellapatre (1) - ShadedMelee

Not voting:

Lynch Reached!

ShadedMelee was Burnt Beyond Recognition
(no reveal)

It is now D2!

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-21 18:55:30)

Can we learn anything from this...

Firebringer · Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:02 am

I am trying to get this chat back in action!

VOTE: Elbirn

Firebringer · Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:17 am

@Grapes, I don't know, I just did. Any particular reason you are focusing in on that?
Seems like you are trying to add more meaning to it than there is.

Firebringer · Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:59 am

In post 1233, Vedith wrote:Get out of here Grapes you scrub!
But not really, I don't hate you!

Tell me your reads though.

Well obviously he is scum reading you, he has this vote thingy over your head.

Firebringer · Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:30 am

I really don't like a train on Vedith lol, unless we are 100% certain he is scum.
I have said he is mislynch bait, right?

Firebringer · Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:28 pm

In post 1259, VysePresident wrote:Vedith's all but ObvTown. Let's not lynch him.

Why did you have a vote on him then?

Anyways, I agree he is pretty townie here.

Firebringer · Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:23 pm

In post 1289, Elbirn wrote:I'm elbirn and I am fleeing from the living horror that is a ~prod~

Best prod dodge 2k15.

Except for this post. This post just beat that post.

Firebringer · Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:29 pm

I said Vedith was bad. Maybe I should have spammed that shit or something.

Anyways Hey Titus!! How are you?

Also, I said these tapes are practically worthless. They basically got us to lynch a townie because he used them.
So stupid.

VOTE: Suzune
I feel confidant on this one, basically all Suzune has done was theory craft on tape usage, and then sheep votes.
Suzunes scum reads were completely lacking except for the one on me, which didn't even bother making a good case of at all.

Firebringer · Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:50 pm

Get me first? What?

Firebringer · Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:52 am

OMG

I knew Klingoncelt was scum!!!
I backed off because she is mislynch bait and I was getting sucked in a bit by AtE a little. I thought some of it fake but she kind of worked me down. >.>

I don't know why we lynched Vedith. That was stupid.

I was right about Suzune in this!

This game honestly was too op for scum team.
Why did you give us a venge townie? LOL.

Firebringer · Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:24 pm

Vyse was one of my strongest town reads at the end.

Ugh, we messed up hard by having Vedith lynched ;(

I should have pushed more against it.

Firebringer · Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:55 pm

Does anyone actually think we should have been using those tapes more actively?

I still don't see any use to tem.

Firebringer · Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:29 am

Whats the game for?
I haven't been paying attention, everyone seems interest in a regame with same player base.

I assume that includes me....

Firebringer · Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:52 am

In post 1380, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1378, Firebringer wrote:Whats the game for?
I haven't been paying attention, everyone seems interest in a regame with same player base.

I assume that includes me....

I guess that would sorta depend on how many games you plan on playing when in the next one. I think if you were playing fewer games you would be providing way more content.

Thats a nice theory. How do you not know it wont have the inverse affect?

Like that I will be so bored I am less active and provide even less content.