Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)

[Firebringer]

Confirmed the Confrimation of the Confrimatory Confirmanation.

[Firebringer]

In the name of the scourge!

VOTE: Netherspite

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Firebringer

He's always scum

Who told you this?

Are you hacking?

[Firebringer]

I choose Elf Mage!

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Shiro

serious vote

Anyone who votes Shiro must die!

VOTE: inte

[Firebringer]

legion and scourge are not the same thing.

WHo the hell told you that?

[Firebringer]

Some people need to start talking more.

What you wanna talk about Shiro?

How awesome your new avatar is?

[Firebringer]

I don't know about funny, more adorable than anything else.

Also am I sensing some kind of chainsawing going on with Nether?

Hmmm, maybe shouldn't rule out Shiro so fast. THat might have been a scum slip earlier.

[Firebringer]

You could be Burning Legion.

Are you Burning Legion? O_o

[Firebringer]

Just trust me on Abr. I've played more than 20 games with him. I think I can read him pretty well from the first few posts.

I agree with this, even if I have not played with ABR to my own knowledge..

[Firebringer]

I am not third party I am town that doesn't win unless

He survives till end of day 2. I don't win alone. I win with town or with Nobody if I die before then.

lol why did you space out these posts like this?

[Firebringer]

This Shiro claim really baffles me. I don't understand why you would claim at this point. The timing of the claim brings very little information to the table, and Shiro was not really pressured. So I find it somewhat suspicious.

On the other hand the claim itself, the flavor of it makes sense, Arthas would need to be turned to be a part of the Undead Scourge, and dieing before this would result in him not having become part of the Undead Scourge. Also the fact that Shiro earlier talked about Arthas makes this claim believable to me.

I find vezopirakas reasoning for voting Shiro after the claim strange though. He says his main reason for voting him is ABR's reasons, which to me seems weak (Trying to hard to appear not dangerous??). He also says he'd vote someone who he beleives isn't scum but thrid party. That seems scummy to me. If Shinro's claim is true then he will clearly be part of the town, and would help to further towns chances to win. Lynching Shiro if you believe him to not be scum is a bad move for town.

So:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

This is L-2 I think.

Trying to put doubt in Shiro claim.

Then votes most obv town in this game so far.


Wow, you look so abd right now.

[Firebringer]

Why is he town for you FB?

He is transparent as hell.
He tells everything like it is, and isn't being manipulative at all.

ALL TOWN!

Like, can you not see that?

This is completely Vezok town.

[Firebringer]

So do you agree with him concerning Shiro?

I don't think I ever said that.

No.

[Firebringer]

I am not town in this actually.

I am also 3p.

[Firebringer]

So what is your 3p role? Half assed claims are meh!

Since you write "also". Do you believe Shiro to be third party?

Claiming now I assume you do not agree with vezo regarding lynching 3 p. Is vezo scummier or townier for wanting to lynch 3p?

I am just neutral man.

I just need to survive the war.

[Firebringer]

I just need to survive to the end of the game.

I am a Survivor.

[Firebringer]

You should full claim then.

I don't see why I should.
I am here to help town as much as needed, thats all you need to know!

Vote FB.

Classic Vedith

[Firebringer]

My top suspects are Shiro, Firebringer and Gale at this time.

You really think I am part of the scum team? Or do you think I am neutral party that is out to get you?

Cause I claimed Day 1.
You would have to be a moron to do that with 0 pressure on you.

Your paranoia, is just ridiculous.

[Firebringer]

Because I don't trust you. If you full claim then I can make up my mind on whether you're telling the truth or not with more information.

I don't care if you don't trust me.

I am not here to appease you, I am trying to survive.
Your paranoia isn't going to make me comply with a full role claim.

[Firebringer]

I can't wait for this to blow up in your face.

My role will literally kill you.

[Firebringer]

Lets just say if I get voted enough times, I will explode and kill myself and my voter.
I gave you a warning, now proceed to ignore it.

[Firebringer]

I don't see how it helps town - or him for that matter.

The claim was pointless. He claimed a 3rd party who is pretty much anti-town.

VOTE: firebringer

I don't see a reason not to lynch the actual 3rd party here.

Its fake scum hunting.
My win condition does not go against anyones win condition.

You are just too lazy to actually scumhunt.

[Firebringer]

It's plausible that you claimed survivor as mafia, yes. It's also plausible that you don't want to claim your flavor because you're afraid we would find a crack in your lie. I'm happy where my vote is.

You know I am pretty sure there are roles that could check me.
Just saying, if you are that hysterically paranoid about a claim. You can check it.

I mean, you just looking for the easy out of actually hunting anyone who is actually against the town today. In fact, you look more scummy than me.

[Firebringer]

Thats entirely false.

And you shouldn't read wikis to understand a game that involves human interactions.

First off if you know me at all, I play survivor as fucking pro town.

Played a game on sc2mafia mod yesterday, where I was survivor and all I did was organize town actions for town and get mafia and neutral killing lynched.

Don't assume that Survivors are anti town, you should know the player in the role. Not the role itself.

Second: I have warned you already, that voting and focusing me. Is going to backfire for you. And will destroy my own win. It is in your best interest to actually ignore me or at very least not vote me.

[Firebringer]

[nonrp]In sc2mafia survs are usually getting lynched.
That said, I agree that surv can play pro-town.[/nonrp]

Do you even play that game?
They hardly get lynched if they claim.
lol

[Firebringer]

Survivors usually only get lynched if a Mafia CCs their claim.
Which can happen if the mafia are desperate enough or just want the Survivor to lose.

[Firebringer]

I have never seen that. Maybe you played at a time when the meta was different, I have played the game for long time though.

[Firebringer]

Why am I playing with newbs? Did I join rtr?

Third parties are antitown. This is basic mafia theory. There is no pro-toen third party.

Your basic mafia theory falls flat when someone plays the game differently.
Game changes, people develop new strategies, new playstyles.

I can tell you that wasting your time on me or Shiro, is a waste of today.
Vezok, I consider you town. Would you mind not wasting time on third party and actually hunt scum that want town to lose?

[Firebringer]

God damn it FB you made me curious trying to guess which character fits a survivor role that explodes >.<

Don't think about it too hard.
The flavor makes no sense in this regard.
If I tell you, you will laugh hard about it. Maybe even doubt that I will explode.

[Firebringer]

The posts in the last page have convinced me that firebringer is actually scum.

Vote me or vote FB.

I will put my life on the line to take him out.

So bold, so brave.
I can't tell if you are town stupid, or scum stupid.

lol.
You know, you want to test my claim enough. Just spam the vote and unvote on me. I think that will activate my ability.

I don't mind losing if it causes an idiot to kill themselves, I mean. That would just be priceless.

[Firebringer]

There's a chance he's telling the truth, but even if town wins I don't want to share a win with firebringer. Death to everyone that doesn't win with us. FOR THE HORDE! FOR ORGRIMMAR!! DEATHWING!!!

So you would rather town be out two pro town players.
Than have me win with you.

You are so stupid, its unbelievable.
Thats the most anti town move I have ever heard off.

I take back what i just said about two pro town, you would be taking out 1 pro town player. Me.

[Firebringer]

I thought you didn't believe my claim.

I told you, spam the unvote and vote.
That will activiate my ability.

You goddamn coward.

[Firebringer]

You're a little weasel who thought you could swindle the town and risk a mislynch when you took no risk yourself. You basically want to ally yourself with scum while town ignores you.

Guess what asshole, that's not happening.

I am not here to ally with scum.

I am with town, trying to find scum.
I am tired wasting my time with you and your anti-survivor friend.

I don't need you two to find scum.
I will hunt them regardless. Because I prefer town wins. Screw the scum.

[Firebringer]

The beauty of this is that you don't even have to be scum, lynching a survivor with unknown flavor and unknown powers is pro-town no matter how you slice it.

No it isn't.

Where the hell did you learn to play mafia?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Bbrantz

[Firebringer]

Fire can you flavour claim ? This seriously needs sorting.

I am a Sheep.
>.>

[Firebringer]

@FB - How many votes until you explode?
I want to test it.

The mod is unspecific on this....
Its actually 'clicks'. I figured that meant votes and night actions on me.
I guess I could clarify this with mod.

Part of why I claimed was so town wouldn't be stupid and blow themselves up on me by accidently 'clicking' me.

So, ABR is kind of stupid saying it was anti town.

[Firebringer]

@Shiro I never played Warcraft II, I played three and I don't remember a exploding sheep at all.
That didn't make sense when I read my role card.

I guess lore wise now that some people explained it, it makes sense? W/e. I agree its a troll mechanic for this game.
Its also odd that you have a survivor that explodes. Never seen that before in a forum game.

[Firebringer]

I just got clarification from mod.
Apparently votes don't count as "clicks", so yeah...Feel free to lynch me?
Only night actions.

So if you do decide not to lynch me. I guess, dont visit.
Or if you are scum, please visit.

[Firebringer]

Unfortuantely you might as well lynch me.

I am not encouraged to behave as a pro town player in a game where their is so much hostility against survivors.

I will say you should focus on the players wagoning on me. I don't see why it is worht it to lynch a Survivor for any reason, especially when I said I would be pro town.

At the moment, I don't care to play this game.

I don't care for the people in this game at all.

I am just really unhappy with it.

[Firebringer]

When you continue to say Survivor is anti town and continue to push for lynches on me and say that I will not be helpful, it doesn't make me feel for the town or for actually helping them.

I am just saying, I would totally be anti town if I wasn't getting shit on me.

[Firebringer]

Shiro, thats directed at all the anti survivor behavior in this.

[Firebringer]

FB: Do you really not understand why being a known survivor is anti-town, even if you "plan" to help the town? You both make the pool of people scum have to kill to win the game 1 smaller (by being known), and if it looks like town is going to lose you can immediately jump ship. There is no benefit to leaving you alive, especially now that scum won't target you with night actions.

I could have not claimed.

A town player could have visited me and died.

Telll me right now, which is more town?
Me claiming and possibly saving a town, or me not claiming and possibility I explode killing a town?

[Firebringer]

Also, I will remind you. I was under no fricking obligation to tell any of you that votes do not count as "clicks" I did. Because I didn't see why I should lie to town, even though it was in my best interest to not tell you guys anything.

[Firebringer]

I mean from a town perspective, lynching me doesn't hurt town at all.
Lynching someone else has a chance of a mislynch which I can see as beneficial.

Although on the downside again, lynching me gives you 0 information for town.
I mean, scum want me dead as much as probably some town players.

You also lose a pro town vote.

So, I think that lays all the arguments out?

[Firebringer]

I wonder if scum would defend me...

[Firebringer]

I don't know, meta on survivors for forum mafia is so different from I am used too.

I think I have played like half a dozen games with survivors for forum mafia. Half the games they got lynched Day 1, half them they survived to end. They almost always claim Day 1. Scum didn't usually defend the survivors, or at least not hard. They either pushed on them or just played neutral.

[Firebringer]

He's an egotistical, self-interested player that will sooner help scum win the game than put rivalries aside.

I agree with egotistical, but I am a team player.

You are also one of the players trying to force me to rival you. You can't play nice, I can.

[Firebringer]

I am trying to figure out who is on my wagon in order to make excuse not to scumhunt and who genuinely thinks I am a hindrance to the town..

Its not going great.

[Firebringer]

Why would scum be off my wagon?

I am a guranteed no information lynch. I don't see why scum would want me alive than the possibility I ally with them at the end.

Which isn't going to happen.

[Firebringer]

I am at L-1 cause I am not the Survivor this town needs.

I am the Survivor this town deserves!
So they will hate me, because they don't want me. They deserve me!


wait none of what I just said makes sense....

[Firebringer]

Well I am honestly willing to talk about something else.
You are particularly wasting discussions on me.

You are the one being anti town at the moment ABR.

[Firebringer]

Good luck with that.
This Day 1 was completely worthless to the town, I don't think you guys are going to have any good reads or good analysis of the train on me.

Town wasted a day, Scum did good ensuring it? Who knows.

[Firebringer]

Just sitting around in this game....waiting to get hammered.

[Firebringer]

Perhaps, I won't get lynched?

[Firebringer]

Let's lynch Netherspite.

VOTE: Netherspite

Want to give some reasons for that champ?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Performer
Lets be honest, gale only voted me cause gale was other leading wagon and didn't want to get lynched.
I didn't want to make a big deal out of it, but it was pretty suspect and scummy from my POV.

And most of the reason for this vote is to protect my own skin. At least I am honest about it.

I still think Performer is mafia in this, Gale was definitely playing a bit suspicious from my POV

[Firebringer]

Fire - Basing the vote on an ex player who played oddly for a very brief time - that isn't sufficient reasoning.

Your vote before this was on Bran, what was that about?

Why in the hell are you trying to analyze me?

Like you are looking for reasons to call me scum.

My alignment and role are completely common knowledge.

[Firebringer]

So you gained nothing from my answer?
Thats what I gather from your post.

You instead talk about Bran, and call him town. Sounds like you trying to buddy him.

[Firebringer]

Okay Vezok is just getting on any wagon that exists and is being extremely lazy and pushy.
Its kind of annoying behavior >.>

Still seems like kind of town him though lol

[Firebringer]

Lol I guess I won't live.

Hate anti survivor players, so annoying.

[Firebringer]

I will take CotW's word on Performer for now. But would recommend Performer as an excellent investigation tonight.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-1

[Firebringer]

The funny thing is, I still hope town pulls out a victory for this game.

I know they only lynched me because they are morons.

Always have a special place in my heart for the stupid.

[Firebringer]

Its always a gambit to reveal as survivor on forum mafia games.
Even on my homesite where almost all survivors are pro town, they often get lynched in desperation.
Much easier in games like ToS or SC2. People are much less paranoid on those games of survivors lol.

[Firebringer]

Also just so you know, just because I flip Survivor doesn't mean you "saved" a town.

Based on how I play, you essentially DID lose a town player.

If I play pro town, that doesn't make me any different from a town player except by role pm. Especially considering my win condition doesn't go against towns.

People easily forget that though, so w/e.

[Firebringer]

So the job of town is to get shot.
Good to know, I will spread message. Scumhunting is just a side gig. For when you are bored of getting shot or something.

I realize claiming survivor makes it so scum won't likely kill me, but it isn't as anti town as you make it out to be.

[Firebringer]

that is inherently against his wincon to only help town

he is a liability, no matter what. ready to hammer

I am not a liability.

You are a liability, because you can't even read the game.

Hammer was already placed.

[Firebringer]

So pissed I got lynched.

[Firebringer]

I am going flat out anti town survivor anytime I get survivor now on MafiaScum

When people ask me, why I went anti town. I will refer them to this game.
Say fuck you, these guys poisoned the well.