Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Delenn]

Vote Heartless

Let's go. I need to get to screwing everyone.

~Titus

[Delenn]

Sense of humor not found. You need a reboot.

~Titus

[Delenn]

Well, you see, there's screwing, and then there's screwing. Two different things.

I see the game's off to a great start, good playerlist. This will be fun.

Cletus

[Delenn]

So maybe we should start thinking about the setup?

If we look at our own roles and identify what would be balanced we can probably figure out the scum roles and which neutrals are in the game and act accordingly.

You need a bait for that fish?

VOTE: Spiffeh

dragon

[Delenn]

Not particularly. If not for that I was going to vote you as well.
I also thought you were at 3 votes because I didn't realize Hiplop voted twice.

How would considering a role that would balance you help us if we don't know everyone's roles? That tells you nothing.
Also, how would knowing the scum roles, not the players holding them, help us at all? I don't get where you were going with any of this.

Looks like cya. Or we still scum because there's not enough opportunistic hopping? :p

Seriously, his response to the rolefish accusation was that he was telling people how to think. If you control how people think, that's controlling the game.

~Titus

[Delenn]

Note to self: ika does not respect wotcs and it's annoying as fuck. The one game I forget to tell the mod.

While I am not happy you're here ika, let's make the best of it. I will pretend this game won't be like every other game and we'll see if you'll do the same.

P.S. Here's a phone book.

[Delenn]

^^Titus

[Delenn]

Heartless publicly reveals himself as a

Town Marshall

!

Town may perform up to

3 lynches

today.
Lynches are performed

one by one

.
All the flips will happen at the

day end

.

He already did.

VCA will be a blast.

~Titus

[Delenn]

Let's start with Spiffeh guys. He's being opportunistic and voting anything with a pulse that's not him.

[Delenn]

Shiro needs to vote Spiffeh and so does Dave. Then we will be there.

[Delenn]

@ika,

Maybe tomorrow. Today we gotta get these lynches done.

@Runner, join us on obvscum.

[Delenn]

@Heartless, Shiro has more of a dominant personality as scum, similar to my own. I just finished Jungle Republic with her.

[Delenn]

Bins is shaping up to be a not-terrible vote.

Bins? For lurking?

[Delenn]

@Heartless, Shiro has more of a dominant personality as scum, similar to my own. I just finished Jungle Republic with her.

A skim of her ISO doesn't give me a remarkably different impression from her play this game.

Don't shut me down based on stuff like this, Titus. It's bad form.

You got your skim. I lived it. Obviously, you wouldn't lie as conftown but Shiro was very aggressive with me the entire time, and buttering me up.

This just doesn't jive with what you are saying.

[Delenn]

I feel meta is shit. But experience trumps ad hoc reading.

If you want me to vote Shiro, you're going to need in thread evidence.

Why are you fighting me on Spiffeh?

[Delenn]

Heartless, Be worried if you don't hear ego.

If we want three lynches, we need to get out of each other's way without compromising on our beliefs (if we can).

Why not vote Spiffeh because there's scummy things in thread and while we're lynching him you make the case on Shiro stronger than meta?

We can still only lynch one scum at a time.

[Delenn]

Hi, Klingon head here, why aren't we lynching Ank?

[Delenn]

Hi, Klingon head here, why aren't we lynching Ank?

It's likely protest rather than anything else. I doubt think anyone seriously thinks they are going to policy lynch conftown D1.

[Delenn]

Hi, Klingon head here, why aren't we lynching Ank?

Hey Klingon!
We can later today if you feel strongly about it. But on what basis?
Them not unvoting conftown?

I don't disagree that their play there is dumb, but do you have any other reasoning?

Yeah, not unvoting is pretty aggro, it doesn't exactly scream Town.

But he can wait. It looks like Spiffeh is first.

Kling

[Delenn]

I've had a lot on my plate which is why my posting quality isn't up to snuff.

I can relate to distractions, but in a game like this you need to be as focused as possible.

If it helps, on the SC2 site Day phases last 48 hours. At least here one has time to try and redeem oneself.

I'm still sure that you're Scum tho.

[Delenn]

^ Klingon ^

[Delenn]

Runner, your thoughts on Spiffeh?

I usually hate massclaim, but in these setups claiming category but not specific role, might be a good idea. Just not when we have three lynches to get through.

[Delenn]

VOTE: Spiffeh

thx guys

Nice jester fake but self-votes don't count on sc2.

[Delenn]

Ika, your 1 job.

[Delenn]

Ooook.

Can jester grief death be stopped?

[Delenn]

Could someone roleblock his corpse?

[Delenn]

I'll be a good sport and write a death scene for you.

[Delenn]

During the day, convinced Spiffeh is scum, Delenn blindfolds the Michelin man wannabe. She steals his soccer ball and replaces it with an IED. If he kicks it, he dies.

The group encourages him to kick it.

[Delenn]

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

Don't believe him, but we'll see.

We can possibly stop jester grief, so if that's the case to we may suffer no loss of life.

[Delenn]

Wait does a Jester lynch end the game?

No but jester causes suicide on someone on his wagon.

[Delenn]

It won't happen until tonight though.

[Delenn]

VOTE: Jeanne

Time for lynch 2.

[Delenn]

So whores cannot do anything. I thought screwing people would make them too happy to die.

[Delenn]

Wait does a Jester lynch end the game?

No but jester causes suicide on someone on his wagon.

Ouch, guess I didn't read closely enough.

With luck, it should hit the scum which are most likely on the wagon.

Maybe but I don't think so given the resistance the wagon faced. I am still not sure he was jester but he might be scum fucking with us.

[Delenn]

Mod: I thought Marshall flips all occurred at the end of the day....Thankful but...

[Delenn]

Let's just move on.

VOTE: Jeanne

[Delenn]

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Avoiding major wagons, not contributing. It's not that they're scum, just that they provide zero utility to town.

[Delenn]

What are your thoughts?

[Delenn]

Grumbles. Well, at least this will help for VCA. The odds of someone protecting the grief victim are slim.

@Dave, Great. I see you don't like mine. Who do you like then?

@Heartless, I will. Now do you have a scumread we can agree on?

[Delenn]

What are your thoughts?

nope. you had your shot, you blew it.

can the shiro wagon happen now?

You mean I lynched not town and you are whining.

I am not voting Shiro unless you make a case based on in thread behavior.

[Delenn]

Plus, even if you are right about your theory (scums on wagon), there's a decent chance they die tonight.

So then I murderer two not towns.

[Delenn]

@Davesto, We gotta get two wagons in six days. Yeah, this isn't ironclad case territory we're talking about here. We're lynching dead weight anti-town and doing it fast.

The first time this setup was ran, all three scums were lynched day 1.

[Delenn]

Shiro wasn't pushing Ank at all there. I don't see any reason she'd get on Ank.

She pushed the Spiffeh wagon with me. Don't see anything scummy in how she did so. I get you're upset that you're not getting a lynch on Shiro but she's not scum.

Despite Klingon's suggestion, Ank isn't either.

[Delenn]

add "awkwardly avoiding the conversation about massclaim" to scumbag checklist

Not everyone comments on everything.

Why can't you actually answer about your reads? It's frustrating when I extend an olive branch trying to work with you and you're just being a bully to push through bad logic.

[Delenn]

OK I did miss 182.

[Delenn]

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Avoiding major wagons, not contributing. It's not that they're scum, just that they provide zero utility to town.

I would honestly prefer lynching ank for that matter. Unless you have a reason to believe he would be like that as town.

Ank's town. Trust me.

[Delenn]

@Heartless, Vote me then. I am not "taking strained angles" just because you think I am wrong.

I want to work with you. Just because I know your motives aren't scum doesn't make you right.

We need sheep to get lynches through.

[Delenn]

@Heartless, All meta is garbage and prone to the very criticisms you say here.

That's not a strained angle. Meta is only a personality tell. Meta shows she's aggressive as scum.

Vote me for having the balls to disagree with conftown.

The only difference between the wagons is I am objecting and Spiffeh was trying to get himself lynched.

Here's my view of what you're saying.

Heartless: I want to lynch town cuz meta.
Me: No. Let's lynch Spiffeh who isn't town and ignore bad meta.
Heartless: Well Spiffeh wasn't groupscum, let's lynch town.
Me: No.
Heartless: Well there's resistance to lynching town, so it must be scum.

Me:

[Delenn]

I was waiting for Shiro to say some super scummy reply to the vote on you honestly but she seems to have poofed away so

VOTE: Shiro

Bleep

Are you Jeanne's partner?

[Delenn]

Shiro, who do you think is scum? Let's let Heartless cool Don a bit.

Heartless, I'll claim whatever you want to lynch actual scum but if you're smart you already know my claim, but yeah you aren't my type.

[Delenn]

VOTE: Hiplop

Why Hiplop?

[Delenn]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

QFT

???

To me a good lynch is any lynch that avoids town...why do you think it was a mislynch?

[Delenn]

His tunneling left a bad taste in my mouth.

Why though? I was tunnelling just as hard?

[Delenn]

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

[Delenn]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

QFT

???

To me a good lynch is any lynch that avoids town...why do you think it was a mislynch?

You're saying that a lynch that didn't hit Mafia/Evil Neutral is good? The fact that the grief lynch has a chance of hitting town is good? The fact that we got no sort of helpful result from said lynch is good?

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

Which is it? Jester lynch was terrible or good. Is removing jester a "helpful result"?

I could also work wonders with this for VCA.

You just seem to be agreeing with whoever's pushing the vote.

VOTE: Dave's to

[Delenn]

Look at Hiplop's ISO and tell me you were tunneling just as hard.

I am a tunneler. We both wanted a lynch on Spiffeh and pushed really hard for it. If I was going to be bothered, I would be bothered by Hiplop not being here.

[Delenn]

You just seem to be agreeing with whoever's pushing the vote.

this is a scumtell for you?

plz tell me more...

If you spout a contradiction to do so, it does indicate scum to me. Scum tell is a strong word but I want to see him under pressure.

The you vote was weird as well given his reasons are not Ank's.

[Delenn]

@ika, What's the fastest massclaim? If we're doing this today, we need it done to get to lynching people.

Do we do category or full claim?

[Delenn]

Fine.

[Delenn]

@ika, there's not against and optimal. Which one is best?

[Delenn]

Escort.

@Shiro, the arcade (not the forms) are.

[Delenn]

@Shiro, ika's trying. He's town. He could claim Mayor and I'd believe he was gambiting at this point.

[Delenn]

We made all the ~Delenn posts.

I submitted a block on Shiro because I did agree with Ank that we couldn't afford executions.

That being said, I am suspicious of Dave. The lack of a scum kill means someone had to submit a night kill. Kills in this setup can only be done by VT claims.

We know that Shiro, myself, Jeanne, ika, bins, Hiplop could not submit the kill. A blocker blocked the kill most likely.

I am thinking

Town Government - Heartless
Investigative - Runner/Bella
Protective - Me
Power - Ank
Random - Bins
Random - Shiro
Random - ika (scum seemed hell bent to impersonate him, ika would not be so blatant as judge

Judge - Hiplop
Scum - Dave
Scum - Runner/Bella
Scum - Jeanne

Dave saying someone else crumbed investigative makes me doubt him being sheriff. If Shiro jailed the killer, scum would have to fake a guilty on Shiro to win.

Thoughts?

[Delenn]

That being said, I am suspicious of Dave. The lack of a scum kill means someone had to submit a night kill. Kills in this setup can only be done by VT claims.

We know that Shiro, myself, Jeanne, ika, bins, Hiplop could not submit the kill. A blocker blocked the kill most likely.

What? This made no sense to me, explain?

Look at the setup. Only a godfather/mafioso can kill.

[Delenn]

Yeah, I'm still lost. What's stopping Shiro from having submitted the kill?

Read the kidnapper (scum jailor pm). The kidnapper cannot submit a night kill. Hence why there's a mafia killing category.

We know Shiro is a jailor/kidnapper because if she jails no one, she'd be outed today.

[Delenn]

The kidnapper has a kill in addition to the night kill.

[Delenn]

I'm genuinely confused as to how that line of reasoning makes any logical sense. Also, as to how I - who has a currently conftown claim with only two people having not claimed yet - is in the "scum" pile, whilst the two people who haven't claimed are in my Investigative slot.

Also yeh it's not like Kidnapper is literally made to be a fakeclaim for Jailor amirite. I mean she didn't submit the kill for multiple reasons (we know she's not godfather) but ya know.

You're probably scum taking advantage of the fact that Runner/Bella hasn't claimed investigative.

[Delenn]

So, uh, Shiro, does your target know that you're the Jailor?

Shiro was blocked by Delenn.

I only block executions not jailing. Only jailors stop jailors.

[Delenn]

There is the possibility scum targeted who Shiro jailed as well.

[Delenn]

Anyway, I got a work meeting. I will be back in an hour or so, no one vote while I am out please.

@Dave, if you're town, this is lylo. Unvote in case of framer.

[Delenn]

Before I forget all posts are Titus.

If I confuse you or am confused, go slow. I am dealing with the flu.

[Delenn]

So, my meeting got pushed back an hour.

Jeanne I meant you. Sorry for confusing your gender. You role blocked someone who could not be blocked? Why?

Unless the target receives a role blocked notification and ika confirms, I'd be really skeptical on that.

Hmm, if my scumteam is right, then Jeanne blocks one of Runner/Bella while shooting the other. We had zero investigatives claim but those would be the missing possibilities for scum. They'd know whichever of Runner/Bella was their scumbuddy. Block and kill the other.

Even if the kill goes wrong, the real investigator would have no result to claim and thus look bad.

[Delenn]

*take out shooting the other thing. Role block + shot same target. Was typing as thinking.

[Delenn]

@Shiro, Were you notified I blocked you?

[Delenn]

Ahh ok. So if ika was blocked, he would vouch if he's town crier. If ika doesn't say he was blocked, then either Jeanne consort or ika judge.

[Delenn]

Where you notified about my role ? Because this is what jeane seems to be implying here with his sudden certenity that ika is the judge

No. I was not.

[Delenn]

Do you think Dave is scum or framer exists?

[Delenn]

Yeah, no.

I'm claiming investigative, I tricked Ari last night, but I'm confused as to the kill...it would maybe make sense with what jeanne is saying...

Judge has no night action. Jeanne by targeting ika submitted no block is her claim.

Pretty sure Dave is scum here. Now he's been cced.

[Delenn]

Do you think Dave is scum or framer exists?

I love how you don't consider the third possibility of Shiro being scum. Why's this?

Shiro is the only person who could have stopped the nk. With Jeanne and my claims both not hitting anyone night kill eligible but Shiro did, Shiro's confirmed town.

[Delenn]

*points at unclaimed Runner*

*points at potential of ika being scum*

*points also a little bit at a mafia nokill gambit*

We can wait on Runner but if Runner was protective and town, I would imagine he would have spoke up during anon phase by stating he was another protective even if he didn't claim it later.

Ika has to be crier or judge. He posted during night phase.

Scum didn't no kill gambit. They would have won by killing.

[Delenn]

ok it hit me one of davsto and bella has to be lying

Explain. I will review later.

[Delenn]

bins i just was one of the ank votes :/

Confirming you claim crier correct?

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

Can you lay out what you think the answer is?

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

Can you lay out what you think the answer is?

What you mean?

Town government Heartless
Town Random Crier ika
Random crier bins
Judge hiplop

Etc.

Still thinking you're scum here but I would like some thoughts to review to make sure I don't confbiasing and fuck up.

[Delenn]

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

[Delenn]

Also, I am not gonna fall for your underhanded machinations from last game, Del. Doing so again would mean that town loses a member and that is detrimental. I won't be playing against my win condition this time, do you understand?

Huh???

[Delenn]

*467 him/me/jeanne

[Delenn]

Oh, don't play dumb. It was in our last game together that you practically forced me to vote myself. I will not be repeating that mistake.

Still not sure what game you mean? Just what am I forcing?

You allegedly targeted ika all on your own.

[Delenn]

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

You're adorable. How in the hell is jumping on practically confirmed scum (see: Runner and Shiro blocking them) opportunistic? It's common goddamn sense!

Not if you killed Runner. Why didn't you vote Bella who is a 1 v 1 as framer in your view?

Don't want to limit the pool?

[Delenn]

@Dave, I have one vote. You faked a guilty.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, I was town in WTF mafia..

@Dave, You can't seriously put Shiro as town and me as scum. :p

[Delenn]

@Dave faking a guilty is plenty. Believe Bella over you. Runner could of course be an investigative too...

[Delenn]

@Delenn So was I, yet you insisted I was not till the very end. I will not forget that. >.>

So relevance? You're angry that I was wrong as town...? You should be arguing I am scum...

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, then if you think I am pulling a fast one, you should be voting Bella. Mathematically there's no other option supposing you're town.

@Dave, The faked guilty is the biggest part in your opportunism.

I will be back later.

[Delenn]

@ika, were you blocked? Yes or no?

@Shiro/All, I like Shiro's plan but no execution. If we lynch Dave and it's wrong, the consort's going to block Shiro, which may cause her execution to fail.

It would be a tie at daybreak, and we would have to lynch correctly between me and Jeanne.

(Check wincon tie is not autoscum win).

[Delenn]

Deleen that is why you will roleblock jeane and jeane roleblock you

Mod: Can escorts/consorts block each other?

If so, then yeah your plan should be fine.

[Delenn]

@ika, were you blocked? Yes or no?

how am i suppose to know? the mod didnt make it informed by my knowlage

According to Shiro, escorts give a message, just like the sc2 version.

So if you don't have a message, you or Jeanne is scum.

[Delenn]

@Shiro, Were you notified I blocked you?

Yea I got notified that I had a good time with a lady xD But got roleblocked in the process

Did you get a mod message ika? Yes or no?

[Delenn]

I already told you, roleblocks against judges or criers don't work, so it wasn't successful! He would only have been notified if it went through!!!!!

So then, why didn't you change your action?

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, Most mods let people change actions until deadline.

@Shiro/ika, Is there a way we can come up with a fool proof plan and lynch Jeanne? She sounds like caught scum.

[Delenn]

Shiro, if Dave flips scum, jail and execute Jeanne.

[Delenn]

Oh wait.. No twilight, you have to submit jails before nightfall. Nvm jail runner has to be the play.

[Delenn]

We should but at this point, if Runner's not stupid, but I know what runner would likely claim anyway which just narrows scum between jeanne/davesto/runner/dave.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, you do realize this is lylo right? By being willing to be lynched/executed, you're claiming scum?

[Delenn]

Holy shit you guys have been busy.

I'm an Investigator, but was jailed last night.

I'm gonna have to ask for some time to catch up.

Not a surprise here. Runner evidently is town or not stupid.

[Delenn]

Well, you would've lynched me anyways. I tried resisting, but you're so deadset on this it isn't even funny.......

Consider my vote on Dave or Jeanne, whoever has more votes.

Ika, join me.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, If I was consort, I would have let Dave mislynch Shiro as this is lylo and only one townie vote is needed to have a mislynch.

We can't keep suspects alive. What pat of it's lylo do you not understand?

[Delenn]

@Shiro, can you just vote Dave or Jeanne? If we don't see a scum quickhammer, that should confirm all I said.

[Delenn]

That would be amazing, since I have already voted Dave.

[Delenn]

Well, the fact that I voted him too should prove that I am town, then.

Nope. Bussing is a thing, especially when town obvtown.

[Delenn]

Dave is at L minus 2.

Me, Jeanne, Shiro

[Delenn]

@Davesto, Your plan and Shiro's rephrase came within 6 posts and 20 minutes of each other. Jeanne voted/picked a fight with me, I was headed afk and the rest were you.

Why are you pissed that Shiro made your plan better and clearer? She's also much townier than you currently. When planning night actions, people will want to confer with very high likelihood townies.

There's only a Framer if we presume you're town. That's not an assumption I'm inclined to take.

[Delenn]

No. A framer is required for you to be town is what I am saying.

Your guilty result, opportunistic pushes on Day 1, bad AtE here. I just can't see you as town. Klingon usually covers late night, so you can try talking to her.

I think the answer is Jeanne, Bella, you as scum and that Runner's town. So Bella's lurking and problematic claims are not a problem to me. I would be just as fine lynching her.

[Delenn]

@Davesto, If Bella flips Framer, that proves you or Runner is town. We know that already as there must be an investigator.

If we presume that you and Bella are scum, the only possible investigator is Runner. Thus, you shot him because the odds of Shiro jailing him were low.

One of the three of you must be town. I'm more inclined to believe Runner. Doubly so because he didn't just lash out and be opportunistic.

[Delenn]

@Davesto, Insulting me just makes me dig in more. Read InuYasha just the ISO towards the end. Caught the entire scumteam and they berated me. It just made me dig in more.

Godfathers can be jail executed on sc2. That's not a "night kill" usually. Hmph.

Mod:Can a jailor execute a godfather?

[Delenn]

I'm not insulting you, I'm just frustrated that you seem to think I'm scum while ignoring Bella.

I am not ignoring. I think you're both scum.

It is worth clarifying whether GFs can be executed.

[Delenn]

Good night Dave.

[Delenn]

Thanks, Davsto.

We'll put a statue of you in the Town Square for your bravery.

From now on every Day 2 will be a national holiday and day of mourning.

Hail!

Klingoncelt

[Delenn]

If I am ever town killing and in a game with Titus, I will kill her day one so that she won't be able to fuck up the game for town because of sheer pride.

Yeah, please don't join any game I am in.

[Delenn]

And the next day she'll have me lynched on false pretenses. >.<

We'd be lynching you correctly.

Ika looks like he never got your message. How did that happen if you submitted a block on him?

Hell Dave knows he's caught scum at this point.

[Delenn]

The way I see it is that scum can bus Dave or the wagon will be

Delenn Shiro Runner and two of ika/Hiplop/Bins.

Once Dave flips scum, scum might as well resign. We will lynch Jeanne tomorrow. Shiro can jail runner tonight.

[Delenn]

I concur. I think you're flipping scum, but her resistance to a wagon on her buddy leads to the same place. If you're town, she's lost. If you're scum, she's lost.

[Delenn]

Well, then, how can I prove I am town according to you, Delenn?

Wrong audience. FMPOV, you're confirmed scum.


Town Government -Heartless
Town Investigative - One of Runner/Dave/Bella
Town Protective - Me
Town Killing or Power - Ank
Town Random -Shiro
Town Random -Crier
Town Random -Crier

You'd have to argue that Bins, Hiplop, or ika game threw by impersonating someone else last night to make it seem like there were more criers than there were. That cannot be true.

Shiro stopped the kill so conftown.

There's no room for you.

Plus there's the whole ika not claiming your block message.

[Delenn]

Well some people think I am insane. [/joke]

Off to work. Later.

[Delenn]

@Bins, confirmed Crier or Judge. While I don't think you're judge, please explain how it's confirmed you are not?

[Delenn]

Let me walk you through it.

Only a Godfather or Mafioso can do a night kill.
I blocked Shiro, who confirms that. So I could not have stopped the nightkill.
Jeanne claims to have blocked ika, who has not confirmed. Even if she did, ika has no night action and thus could not have killed. Thus Jeanne didn't stop the kill.
Shiro jailed Runner. Thus runner is the killer or was the kill target. Shiro is conftown.

Dave has a "guilty" on conftown allegedly. He's probably scum reaching for a fast victory rather than a framer existing.

If I am wrong and Dave flips town, Runner is executed, lynch Bella tomorrow. Then Jeanne. Then sort criers.

[Delenn]

@Bins, confirmed Crier or Judge. While I don't think you're judge, please explain how it's confirmed you are not?

I posted as Jury and said "Hey, this is Bins." which confirms me as not Judge.

That's why I have you as probable. The whole Bins as jury could be faked. Unlikely but possible.

[Delenn]

I've typed out a vote on Dave's a few times

Something feels wrong

Board wrong or you are hesitating?

[Delenn]

How... could I fake it?!

Scum could.

[Delenn]

Heartless thought you were scum and scum sheeped. Remote but possible.

[Delenn]

tbh I think Hiplop or ika for judge is more likely since Bins had crumbed her crier role earlier but seriously that is not a pressing matter right now

I agree. I think this is why Heartless thought Bins was a neutral.

[Delenn]

Right, if Dave flips scum.

If Dave is town, lynch Bella. Execute Runner.

Oh yeah I want you lynched. You're confscum to me.

[Delenn]

Then we lynch you. :p

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, No. I think Runner's town and you dave and Bella are scum.

I am not trying to have you lose your cool. It's mathematically impossible for us to share an alignment FMPOV. Stating that shouldn't make you lose your cool.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, Except there is.

Shiro's proven town.
There has to be an investigator.
Ika hasn't confirmed you're an escort.
Two randoms are criers (probably bins and ika but maybe bins Hiplop, remote Hiplop ika)

That's it. Either Shiro's scum or you are. Shiro stopped the NK and cannot be scum.

You aren't even proven roleblocker.

You're refusing to do the game breaking lynch is pretty scummy.

[Delenn]

Make a plausible story where I am scum. Try it.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne,

Plot hole: Dave had a guilty on Shiro. Why not just sheep it and go oops my bad? Shiro flips town, scum win.
Why not agree with Heartless's poor case on Shiro?
Why push a Dave lynch when the plan works just as well on Bella?
Why would I block Shiro, preventing her from accidently game throwing?

Why are you so convinced Dave is town?

[Delenn]

That's a strawman.

Why don't you want to lynch Dave? If he's town, scum will die tonight (Shiro will execute Runner). If Dave's scum, we get a scum flip.

So why won't you stay on Dave?

[Delenn]

Got ninjaed by Dave.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, he's not feeding you answers but telling you that you make no sense, so I am fine with that.

Can you answer why you won't stay on Dave?

[Delenn]

@Dave, Bella and Runner should both vote you. So that leaves one of the criers to vote you.

[Delenn]

@Jeanne, I only want to lynch you tomorrow if Dave is scum. If Dave is town, lynch Bella and execute Runner. I only said it like 5 times.

[Delenn]

I wouldn't let confscum live FMPOV and the fact you're more focused on survival rather than a) lynching a scum or b) confirming two others is pretty damning.

[Delenn]

Pretty sure that won't be happening.

You and I will have our fight after Bella's lynched in Dave town scenario. Dave scum scenario, we'll have it out tomorrow.

[Delenn]

No. I am not. If there was a way to Lynch me that solves the game, I'd be ok with that. For my personal game, I know you're scum and I will know it whenever we 1 v 1.

You've been stating that you wouldn't vote Dave because then I'd mislynch you, despite in the worst case you'd catch and eliminate two scum. That's scummy.

[Delenn]

Then you can fight me after we resolve the scum in the investigators. No need for drama.

You're not a mislynch though.

Can you please just shut up so others can process?

P-edit, Ty ika.

Dave is at L minus 1

[Delenn]

And this is not 'drama'. This is me trying to stop you from making the same mistake you did in last game we played together!!!!!! >.>

If you feel this way, you'll have to generate a scenario where we are not 1 v 1.

[Delenn]

If we hammer, who should I investigate tonight? Runner?

Me or Jeanne if you're town. You're a watcher or tracker and Runner is going nowhere. We're blocking each other.

[Delenn]

Ika, I do have to say, it's nice you figured out we're on the same side for once.

[Delenn]

So Bella, you ready to hammer?

[Delenn]

Bella?... Bella?

Bueller?...Bueller?

[Delenn]

@Klingon, you gotta sign. (714 was Klingon)

@ika, no worries. Scum will be hammered, and I don't mean drunk.