Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Davsto]

Smooth.

VOTE: gummmybear because I have literally no idea who you are and I'm all for inclusiveness.

[Davsto]

VOTE:DAVSTO

Because Gamblers fallacy is legit

you're terrible >:c

[Davsto]

Let's go. I need to get to screwing everyone.

ew

[Davsto]

Sense of humor not found. You need a reboot.

~Titus

I don't have a sense of humor.

I have a sense of humour, though.

[Davsto]

[Davsto]

Dammit, I should really stop now, this stuff should be saved for Pun Mafia

[Davsto]

not moving my vote

Why, pray, is Heartless scum, when he has literally just revealed himself as a Marshall?

[Davsto]

I would've really liked to use it later but the chances of this hydra making it very far in this game isn't great given our recent nightkill record.

Let's get cracking.

Get cracking what? Skulls? Because I'm unsure of that.

[Davsto]

That would be hilarious if we could pull it off.

we probably can't tho

[Davsto]

So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

[Davsto]

Honest =/= right.

I've seen honest reads be entirely wrong and bullshit reads be entirely right. That's why I prefer to think for myself and look at the case before deciding "oh I think it's alright" and voting it, rather than going "mmkay so this conftown person is voting it so I should too".

[Davsto]

What do you think?

[Davsto]

I probably should have done this while discussing with Spiffeh but I don't think I actually did (which is also why I dislike the "overreacted to the vote on me" comment considering there wasn't one).

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Davsto]

I am not comfortable with a massclaim today. It is likely to result in people who are both conftown

and

a good power role and I am seriously against it.

[Davsto]

That is to say, it gives scum the knowledge of some really, really good nightkill targets.

[Davsto]

I don't see how massclaim would be useful. Due to the three "Random Town" slots in the setup, scum can basically just claim any of the non-unique roles and be fine.

[Davsto]

I'm pretty sure Town Random can literally be any town role, and because they're randomly distributed Scum can just claim any non-unique roles and they can't be counterclaimed since there can be duplicates.

[Davsto]

Meh. I'm not sold on it. Negatives don't seem to outweigh the positives.

[Davsto]

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

[Davsto]

Wait does a Jester lynch end the game?

No but jester causes suicide on someone on his wagon.

Ouch, guess I didn't read closely enough.

With luck, it should hit the scum which are most likely on the wagon.

[Davsto]

Oh well. It's not like we gained a ridiculous amount of info from said flip. Mod errors happen.

Anyway, who's the next scum?

[Davsto]

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

[Davsto]

My thoughts are that was literally their last post made onsite so we wait for a replacement before we start going after them.

[Davsto]

@Dave, Great. I see you don't like mine. Who do you like then?

No-one, at the current time. I'm a misanthrope.

But in all seriousness, it's a tad to early for me to get any clear reads yet. Sometimes I can latch onto something easily but sometimes it takes a while. I'm open to a Jeanne one if the inevitable replacement is bad but right now, it's a silly wagon.

[Davsto]

@Davesto, We gotta get two wagons in six days. Yeah, this isn't ironclad case territory we're talking about here. We're lynching dead weight anti-town and doing it fast.

We have 6 days for each lynch.

I just finished a game where each day had a 5 day deadline. We don't rush around lynching the first person we can. We still have almost a week to think about each wagon. Panicking is a terrible idea, as we just learnt.

[Davsto]

Why can't you actually answer about your reads? It's frustrating when I extend an olive branch trying to work with you and you're just being a bully to push through bad logic.

b/c i'm scum and i'm trying to push a mislynch

duh

obvs scumslip

VOTE: Heartless

Join me Shiro!

[Davsto]

For the record I'm totally agreed on Shiro but your scumslip was so obvious that I had to vote it.

[Davsto]

Or I might be being purposefully obtuse and silly because too many players have a post count < 0 for me to be comfortable lynching again. My vote is essentially on Shiro though~

[Davsto]

I was waiting for Shiro to say some super scummy reply to the vote on you honestly but she seems to have poofed away so

VOTE: Shiro

Bleep

[Davsto]

Booo Davsto Booo

It's not halloween yet, Shiro.


~~('O')~~

[Davsto]

@Heartless, All meta is garbage and prone to the very criticisms you say here.

That's not a strained angle. Meta is only a personality tell. Meta shows she's aggressive as scum.

Vote me for having the balls to disagree with conftown.

The only difference between the wagons is I am objecting and Spiffeh was trying to get himself lynched.

Here's my view of what you're saying.

Heartless: I want to lynch town cuz meta.
Me: No. Let's lynch Spiffeh who isn't town and ignore bad meta.
Heartless: Well Spiffeh wasn't groupscum, let's lynch town.
Me: No.
Heartless: Well there's resistance to lynching town, so it must be scum.

Me:

okay so

Heartless: vote shiro
Delenn: give reasons
Heartless: *gives reasons*
Delenn: no

PEdit: are you Shiro's partner?

[Davsto]

mason claim or gtfo

Directed at whom? If me, I'm not Mason.

[Davsto]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

QFT

[Davsto]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

QFT

???

To me a good lynch is any lynch that avoids town...why do you think it was a mislynch?

You're saying that a lynch that didn't hit Mafia/Evil Neutral is good? The fact that the grief lynch has a chance of hitting town is good? The fact that we got no sort of helpful result from said lynch is good?

[Davsto]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

acknowledge that, or i'm lynching you

Hardly. He was being pretty scummy(Which apparently was on purpuse). He was a jester trying to get lynched without showing that he was a jester.

@Delenn I actually do think Ank has potential to be scum. Davsto is sheeping conftown and I find that suspicious since he was one of those that said we should not do so just cause he is conftown because Honest=/= right

Difference:
Then, he was all "lynch Shiro"
Now, he's all "lynch Shiro because of these good reasons".
There's a noticeable difference in there, don't you think?

At least that's one Neutral out of the way. Better for a Jester to be out early rather than fucking up lylo for us all.

As in, "it'd be better if we hadn't lynched him at all and we just nightkilled him or something but if we do lynch it's better now than then."
Also, note that I was unaware of the Jester-grief-kill at the time of that post.

[Davsto]

Before

Shiro needs to vote Spiffeh and so does Dave. Then we will be there.

I'm not town reading Spiffeh, but I've got a reasonably strong (for RVS) scum read on Shiro at this point. She posts a lot and puts a lot of effort into being funny and cute, but she's very much on the periphery of the discussion and she likes to stick to people.

After

Spoiler: it's like there's an echo in here

So maybe we should start thinking about the setup?

If we look at our own roles and identify what would be balanced we can probably figure out the scum roles and which neutrals are in the game and act accordingly.

uh huh......
so how do you feel about the setup being randomly generated?

also, how does everyone feel about having 3 lynches today?

ooooo ank ur so edgy and....

fucking boring.

fong's gambits is for n00bs

Ank you are such a rebel that I cut myself on your edge

Spiffeh all roles are randomized what you said really helps nobody

@ika How do you feel about this one in a life time chance to hammer 3 people in row?

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So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

spiffeh I am sorry to say but it isn't Davsto that blows them out of proportion

It is your posts that are scummy. From asking people to role claim to vote hopping to sheeping somoone purely because they are confirmed town.

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I feel meta is shit. But experience trumps ad hoc reading.

Do I hear ego creeping in?
I don't want to.

Why are you fighting me on Spiffeh?

I'm not town reading him but I feel like he's in trouble for not following site norms that he wouldn't necessarily even know about. Honestly, I think the worst thing in his posting is suggesting the mass claim and then distancing himself from it when it brought some heat. The other points seem oversold.

this isnt spiffehs first game

but hes never played scum before. Gee, i wonder why he seems so normal in other games and so robotic and obvscum in this one?

hes not new to mafia hes new to being scum. lynch with fire

I think the play today is to follow the confirmed town's lead.

Btw forgot to say but this is awkward and scummy.

You basically want to hide behind the conftown instead of laying out your own thoughts and opinions.

That is not a town mindset. You didn't act like this in Nyctapolis.

the only thing in shiro's iso are rehashed opinions and shallow, crappy pushes on the softest target available. it was spiffeh but now it looks like it's going to be ank.

don't fall for it. vote scum. vote shiro.

[Davsto]

That is two contradiction \0/

Huzzah

They are contradiction right ? I was once schooled by thor that what I thought was a contradiction actually wasn't

thor didn't teach you very well then. zero contradictions

: ( Well he didnt much teach me as to tell me I am wrong.

@Davsto his reasons haven't changed. From my understanding he is still pushing me for being fence sitting and not directly engaging discussions.

Evidence to back up points instead of just points, in case the last post didn't get the point across.

[Davsto]

Okay so I didn't claim yesterday because I didn't want to out myself because I am a

Sheriff

I inspected Shiro last night and got Mafia.

VOTE: Shiro

[Davsto]

Also:

a) hell yes the Jester grief got the Arsonist
b) but this means there was no Mafia kill. Interested as to why.

[Davsto]

Jury:

I'm willing to bet that "ika-looking" post was scum faking it to avoid an ika. The reason we're not voting ika now anyway is because it's more important to get Mafia/Killing Neutral out of the way than it is to get a Judge killed, since the Maf/Neut have night actions while the Judge will be powerless after today. Us town are going for Runner but I highly doubt we'll manage it before scum get their way with Ank.

This was me.

PEdit - I recall someone else claiming town investigative at some point. I don't think they specified, but I remember someone doing it.

[Davsto]

...you thought I was the judge? How?

[Davsto]

Apparently no-one said they were investigative like I thought I saw when reading through. I know I've been tired this weekend but apparently I've been hallucinating counterclaims too.

[Davsto]

That being said, I am suspicious of Dave. The lack of a scum kill means someone had to submit a night kill. Kills in this setup can only be done by VT claims.

We know that Shiro, myself, Jeanne, ika, bins, Hiplop could not submit the kill. A blocker blocked the kill most likely.

What? This made no sense to me, explain?

[Davsto]

That being said, I am suspicious of Dave. The lack of a scum kill means someone had to submit a night kill. Kills in this setup can only be done by VT claims.

We know that Shiro, myself, Jeanne, ika, bins, Hiplop could not submit the kill. A blocker blocked the kill most likely.

What? This made no sense to me, explain?

Look at the setup. Only a godfather/mafioso can kill.

...And that stops mafia from fakeclaiming?

[Davsto]

I'm genuinely confused as to how that line of reasoning makes any logical sense. Also, as to how I - who has a currently conftown claim with only two people having not claimed yet - is in the "scum" pile, whilst the two people who haven't claimed are in my Investigative slot.

Also yeh it's not like Kidnapper is literally made to be a fakeclaim for Jailor amirite. I mean she didn't submit the kill for multiple reasons (we know she's not godfather) but ya know.

[Davsto]

So, uh, Shiro, does your target know that you're the Jailor?

Shiro was blocked by Delenn.

[Davsto]

There is the possibility scum targeted who Shiro jailed as well.

Didn't actually think of that. It is a possibility yea.

Then you might want to tell us who you jailed?

[Davsto]

Right, okay...

I'm still betting you being Mafia over a Framer but ya know, might as well unvote.

UNVOTE:

[Davsto]

Do you think Dave is scum or framer exists?

I love how you don't consider the third possibility of Shiro being scum. Why's this?

[Davsto]

Yeah, no.

I'm claiming investigative, I tricked Ari last night, but I'm confused as to the kill...it would maybe make sense with what jeanne is saying...

Judge has no night action. Jeanne by targeting ika submitted no block is her claim.

Pretty sure Dave is scum here. Now he's been cced.

Do realise there is the possibility of - gasp - more than one Town Investigative in the setup.

[Davsto]

*points at unclaimed Runner*

*points at potential of ika being scum*

*points also a little bit at a mafia nokill gambit*

[Davsto]

I mean I'm gonna believe Framer for now but ya know.

[Davsto]

Oh yeh lol

[Davsto]

Okay now I'm actually paying attention to the game I realise that Shiro is probably not scum. Probably.

ugh this is confusing

[Davsto]

Sorry, I kinda panicked. I got a guilty and when the two people trying to talk me out of following it were the person I got a guilty on and someone else I scumread a bit yesterday (as being a potential partner too!) so I kinda just ignored what you were saying at first when you seemed to be trying to cast shadow onto me. Now you've properly explained it I see what you're on about.

Sorry about that :/

[Davsto]

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

[Davsto]

So... hiplop is saying he didn't make a single post apart from voting during the Court

and the vote was on Ankamius, who we discerned early to be a scum-motivated wagon?

Yeh, hip's almost certainly the Judge. Looking at it, Judge's writing style is kinda hip-y.

Can you lay out what you think the answer is?

What you mean?

[Davsto]

Right, okay.

Town Government - Heartless (Marshall)
Town Investigative - Davsto (Sheriff)
Town Protective - Titus (Escort)
Town Killing or Power - Ankamius (Vigilante)
Town Random - ika/hiplop (Crier)
Town Random - Bins (Crier)
Town Random - Shiro (Jailer)
Godfather - Runner (seems like about a right Jailing target for Shiro, too!)
Mafia Support - Jeanne (Consort)
Mafia Deception - Bella (Framer)
Neutral Killing - Aristophanes (Arsonist)
Neutral Evil or Benign - hiplop/ika (Judge)
Neutral Evil or Benign - Spiffeh (Jester)

That's my guess. Confirms in bold. Really unsure on ika/hiplop, idk, gah. Thing is ika had a post that was apparently him and not-Court during the Jury but I don't know anymore :/

[Davsto]

Yeah, I can't see a way for there to be two investigatives, and the way dave claimed was super susp.

Yeh, claiming whilst having a guilty on someone, super sus /s

[Davsto]

I reckon that Runner is the target for today. Seems like the most likely possibility for the Godfather by very far, and isn't an ambiguous "maybe, maybe not" like Me/Bella and Delenn/Jeane. Judge isn't

really

something to worry about honestly.

PEdit what in the butts are you on about Jeanne!?

PEdit thoughts too - if we get the Godfather (almost certainly Runner) lynched today, then scum cannot nightkill anymore, right..?

[Davsto]

_/¯(ツ)¯\_
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[Davsto]

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

You're adorable. How in the hell is jumping on practically confirmed scum (see: Runner and Shiro blocking them) opportunistic? It's common goddamn sense!

[Davsto]

I think the tide has turned. Scum could have shot runner to frame them/infoless kill (presuming Shiro jailed runner by poe).

Dave jumping on there was really opportunistic.

VOTE: Dave

If Runner claims invest, we sort him and Bella tomorrow.
If Runner claims protective, we sort him/me or the criers.

Dave's scumflip should clear Bella.

You're adorable. How in the hell is jumping on practically confirmed scum (see: Runner and Shiro blocking them) opportunistic? It's common goddamn sense!

Not if you killed Runner. Why didn't you vote Bella who is a 1 v 1 as framer in your view?

Don't want to limit the pool?

Because I was (and still am) tired as fuck and as a result my play is shit and screwed up.

Why didn't you vote Jeanne who is 1v1 as a Consort in your view?

[Davsto]

@Dave, I have one vote. You faked a guilty.

No I got a goddamn guilty result, not faked it. There's a Framer, okay, and it's Bella.

Give me a genuine reason I am scum because I swear this is confbias crap.

[Davsto]

I

Didn't

Fake

A

Guilty




There

Is

A

Framer


It

Is

Bellaphant



Listen

To

Me

[Davsto]

goddamn it I'm too tired to deal with this crap, it's 10 PM, hopefully you get this sorted out by tonight.

In case you guys mislynch me though, you can still win!

Shiro jails Runner and executes

Titus blocks Jeanne so that the execute can't be blocked, and vice versa just in case because ya know

that way it should take it down to 4:2:1 tomorrow

lynch Bella for obvious reasons, and then hope to christ you can find last scum

[Davsto]

Sorry for any outbursts, I'm in a really crappy mood :/

I'm just annoyed because Delenn is tunneling as the only read there is on me is the "faked guilty" which literally could have been caused by a Framer which is what even they suggested at first but apparently they've now changed their mind (?)

[Davsto]

@Jeanne, then if you think I am pulling a fast one, you should be voting Bella. Mathematically there's no other option supposing you're town.

@Dave, The faked guilty is the biggest part in your opportunism.

I will be back later.

But

It's not faked

saiodhflsduighuizdhbfuildzflzdn

This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard!

If you literally have no other proof for me being scum than literally something that is probable (I investigate someone who is being framed) then you should really reconsider if you're even slightly right.

[Davsto]

Yea I think my plan can't fail, if you are town Davsto know that at least we will still win

Vote:Dav

Shiro, don't take Jeanne's bait. If you block Jeanne over Runner, the Mafia will still get a kill tonight. That's why you need to jail Runner.

I'm town, I promise, but it seems I can't convince anyone despite you literally having no fucking proof but alright.

VOTE: Bellaphant

But seriously, your only proof is that I got a guilty result on someone when there is literally a Framer in the setup.

THE ONLY "PROOF" YOU HAVE THAT I'M SCUM IS LITERALLY NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE!!!!

[Davsto]

It is possible that we can risk it this way and win it

If we lynch dav and it wrong

I jail runner as he said and execute

jeane and delenn roleblock each other.

We lynch bella who will be confirmed framer.

Then we lynch between delenn and jeane. Even if we get it wrong the first time we still win. Judge cannot win alone so it is victory.

It is actually a fail proof victory plan isn't it ?

I find it funny that when

I

suggest that plan here...

goddamn it I'm too tired to deal with this crap, it's 10 PM, hopefully you get this sorted out by tonight.

In case you guys mislynch me though, you can still win!

Shiro jails Runner and executes

Titus blocks Jeanne so that the execute can't be blocked, and vice versa just in case because ya know

that way it should take it down to 4:2:1 tomorrow

lynch Bella for obvious reasons, and then hope to christ you can find last scum

It is literally fucking ignored.

[Davsto]

/siiiggghhhh

There's only a Framer if I'm not town

I'm not town because I got a guilty result

This is the most bullshit line of reasoning I've ever heard!

Meanwhile you're sitting there proud that you've got "teh rite resoningg !!!one!!" ignoring the fact that Bella is nowhere to be seen whilst all the pressure is on me.

[Davsto]

This isn't a bad AtE, I'm genuinely fucking pissed off at your bullshit. You're town, Delenn, have some goddamn sense!

If we lynch Bella she'll flip Framer and that clears me, and

HOW IN THE ARSE IS RUNNER TOWN!?

If Runner is town then how in hell was there no kill last night? Your reads make no fucking sense.

[Davsto]

Also I just realised the tactic won't work because you can't nightkill a Godfather.

[Davsto]

So I don't know what the fuck to do now, because if you lynch me there's a plenty good chance we're fucked. Nice job breaking it, hero.

[Davsto]

Nightkill immunity: You cannot be killed at night (except by Town Bodyguard, Town Veteran or Arsonist).

[Davsto]

I'm not insulting you, I'm just frustrated that you seem to think I'm scum while ignoring Bella.

[Davsto]

VOTE: Shiro

Gambler's fallacy?

I

@ari, hii. You town this time?

mean

I think Ika's theory isn't terrible, actaully. Narrowing down from the claimed vts and pr without counter can work. Will address this more later.

look

Yeah, no.

I'm claiming investigative, I tricked Ari last night, but I'm confused as to the kill...it would maybe make sense with what jeanne is saying...

at

Ari visited ika....:S

these

Yeah, I can't see a way for there to be two investigatives, and the way dave claimed was super susp.

townie

Ika, runner hasn't claimed. I'm investigative, are visited you last night and set in fire, which maybe you didn't get killed bc of jeanne?? Dave is scum.

posts!

[Davsto]

VOTE: Delenn

She is harping on me being scum when clearly I am not. The fact is I know I am town. And seeing she is ignoring that possibility, I think she is consort. I have my sights set on her.

I am town escort

@ika come on, you must have receive some notification. The mod said so couple of posts ago. I am re-checking with them.

Lynching between you two right now is not wise

If I could pick jail target at night it would have been possible but right now it isn't because a mistake means you will stop my execution of potential scum in order not to lose

Also Dav will confirm runner and Bella as scum if he flips town, you or Delenn will provide nothing and even if u.are right and Delenn flips scum I would have to get lucky between 3 targets before flip to stop the kill since she is confirmed roleblocker.

Dav sorry but you are the best lynch for today

I gotcha, now we know that Godfather can be executed, that's the choice.

Jail Runner - execute tonight
Delenn block Jeanne and Jeanne block Delenn.
Lynch Bella tomorrow.

That gets rid of a majority of the scum, leaving one Mafioso. You can probably figure it out from thereon.

I'm not gonna self-vote because that deprives you of any information you can get from votes on my wagon, but I'm not gonna bother defending myself anymore since I am fully aware that I am the best lynch, since it confirms both Runner and Bella as scum.

You go, guys.

[Davsto]

@Delenn Why won't you consider the possibility that I am town?

Right

You see the setup?

We know that, if there are two roles of a particular category (Escort is Protective), one of them must either be Town Random or Scum.

However, we are largely aware that in the Town randoms, two of them are Criers and the other is Shiro, a Jailer, due to the flipped roles.

Thus, one of you or Titus must be scum, and from her PoV it's obviously going to be you.

This is also why me flipping Sheriff confirms both Runner and Bella as scum - there can only be one Town Investigative.

Shiro - you jailed yet?

[Davsto]

Neat!

Lynch me people, it's the best choice for today and you all know it.

[Davsto]

Yep

Now I just need to think of the method in which I die. I think I have one~

[Davsto]

The resistance to my wagon from Jeanne is basically a scumclaim, because she knows that, when I flip town, her scumteam has lost.

[Davsto]

Out of Jeanne/Delenn, I'm really damn sure that Jeanne is the scum. Scum!Delenn would have probably pushed my Framer guilty.

[Davsto]

See you guys on the other side!

People who resist my lynch are almost certainly scum since they know it'll lead to a loss of them. They're probably trying to prey on my paranoia. I'm not self-voting though.

[Davsto]

Still not liking Jeanne's resistance to my lynch.

[Davsto]

Thanks!

I just feel like making scum work towards their own demise

[Davsto]

I mean this is the point where we realise that I've massively fucked up and the roles that I thought would work out actually won't but I'm hardly gonna convince people to vote elsewhere.

[Davsto]

@Delenn Any proof I am scum? And I mean real proof, like an action or something, not make believe.

See the whole chart I made with people and alignments and stuffs regarding the different types of roles? If Shiro is town, then there are three Town Randoms (two Criers+a Jailer), and thus you cannot both be roles which fit into the same category. She'd have to be insane not to scumread you.

PEdit Why would I want them to jail you? Runner is the one that needs to be jailed, since he's the Godfather. And frankly, I'll never convince them not to vote me, in a million years. I'm not self-voting, but for town I'm the optimal lynch.

From their PoV, I'm scum, and lynching me is good for obvious reasons.
From my PoV, I'm town, and lynching me will tell them that so that they can carry out that win strategy I talked about.

PEdit PEdit dammit Delenn

[Davsto]

Out of Delenn/Jeanne, pretty sure that Jeanne is scum. Several moves of hers are blatantly trying to prevent us from following our winning strategy, for example...

@Shiro don't listen to them, jail me.

Baiting Shiro not to jail Runner - who is almost certainly the Godfather (their killer).

VOTE: Delenn

She is harping on me being scum when clearly I am not. The fact is I know I am town. And seeing she is ignoring that possibility, I think she is consort. I have my sights set on her.

I am town escort

@ika come on, you must have receive some notification. The mod said so couple of posts ago. I am re-checking with them.

Trying to prevent my lynch because she knows I'll flip town, incriminating two of her teammates.

[Davsto]

Well, you are insane. Only an insane person would vote a fellow townie in lylo. And I told you, IKA COULD BE LYING.

what does Ika lying have to do with this at all? What about that role stuff that basically confirms you as scum from Delenn's PoV?

That potentially explains the second, but not really the first.

[Davsto]

Also, I'm not liking Jeanne's insistent use of the term "fellow townie".

[Davsto]

Let me walk you through it.

Only a Godfather or Mafioso can do a night kill.
I blocked Shiro, who confirms that. So I could not have stopped the nightkill.
Jeanne claims to have blocked ika, who has not confirmed. Even if she did, ika has no night action and thus could not have killed. Thus Jeanne didn't stop the kill.
Shiro jailed Runner. Thus runner is the killer or was the kill target. Shiro is conftown.

Dave has a "guilty" on conftown allegedly. He's probably scum reaching for a fast victory rather than a framer existing.

If I am wrong and Dave flips town, Runner is executed, lynch Bella tomorrow. Then Jeanne. Then sort criers.

Also adding to this that Shiro definitely couldn't have been a Godfather being blocked from the NK because I got a "Mafia" result, which you don't get on Godfathers as it's town.

Really sad though. If the RNG for Framer had given me a Cult result, I've had called that and this whole fiasco would be over.

Oh welllll

[Davsto]

Identity of the Judge doesn't matter. They can't win if we get the three scum lynched as I'm fairly sure town'll manage considering that two people are confirmed scum once I flip.

[Davsto]

Well, here is my answer to you davsto: If ika is lying about not receiving the message, that means I did roleblock her which proves me as an escort. As for role placement, Delenn could be lying about being escort and is actually a consort. However, since you all except Shiro are following Delenn blindly like a sheep, this statement would mean nothing to any of you that isn't Shiro.

Whatwhatwhat?

Can't Consort block things too?

What the hell are you on about?

[Davsto]

> I blocked ika so I must be Escort

> meanwhile Delenn blocked someone so they could be Consort

[Davsto]

@Dave I am on about how you all are following Delenn like she is speaking the truth and I am a liar while not even considering the possibility that it could be other way around......

Delenn didn't suggest this plan of action of lynch me -> jail and execute runner -> lynch Bella tomorrow -> lynch ??? -> profit. I did. I'm comfortable enough with that.

[Davsto]

I am considering the possibility that it is the other way around. This has no change to my actions today.

PEdit everyone has the possibility of being town when they're wanted to be lynched. It's a risk, and without it Mafia would be boring.

PEdit PEdit I'm not advocating for your lynch today, my flip is getting Runner killed and Bella lynched, where the hell do you come into it? What do you want me to do? Or are you just randomly spewing out AtE and flailing in the hope that something good happens?

[Davsto]

So you think that I am scum and that Runner is my Godfather? Well, allow me to smash your fantasy of convenience to oblivion!

VOTE: Runner

Your fantasies have been smashed.

"Look at me, I'm so town!!!"

[Davsto]

@Delenn All you questions can be answered at the same time.

Why any of those? REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY.

Seriously what are you even on about.

[Davsto]

I am merely answering her questions. And don't butt in.

If you're gonna give crappy answers, I can say they're crappy answers.

I can see that Jeanne is never going along with this Davlynch but I really dont want to self-vote.

[Davsto]

You're not getting lynched until the day after tomorrow. Confused as to what the hell you're doing.

[Davsto]

shiro should nto execute regardless though if runner is gf mostly due to the fact we can keep the nk in check and lynch entirely outside of it and contune

If Shiro doesn't execute scum then scum controls the votes. When I flip town, Runner is confirmed scum, almost certainly Godfather. There are no Mafiosi either so no-one can make the nightkill until there's one scum left, who then becomes Mafioso.

I've thought about this enough because, when I'm the basically-certain lynch for the day, the most useful thing to do is find a way in which town can still win upon my death.

[Davsto]

If you hammer, then you're getting lynched tomorrow, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[Davsto]

[Davsto]

fucckckkkkkk

sorry, that was entirely my fault, blame's on me for our loss.

[Davsto]

gg scum, you had me fooled.

I was thinking that "well they may have nokilled since they didn't know they'd win because the Jester grief kill could have hit anyway" but I didn't say it. aosfihdsuditgbdfj

[Davsto]

Gonna be honest, I'm thankful you're Scum. If you were Town I'd have considered blacklisting you (despite coming on to this site with an attitude of not blacklisting anyway) because, frankly, you made me feel like utter shit at points.

[Davsto]

Meh, it was just in general. Don't feel bad. I can get emotional pretty easy at stupid things, plus I've had a mediocre past few days in MeatWorld on top of it.

[Davsto]

I'm sorry I read emotion as scummy, dave.

It's fine, loss is mostly on me. Jeanne wouldn't have voted me had I not said "look this is best path" and you sorta got caught in the crossfire of me skipping over that thought regarding scum's nokill gambit, clearing Shiro.

[Davsto]

Also, this game puts me at more losses than wins in my Wiki. Ow.

Not to mention one of those wins was barely due to my input (Mafia Café) and the other was They Call Me Zito.

Basically, I'm pretty crap at Mafia.

[Davsto]

You did fine, you just shouldn't assume someone conftown just because someone said it.
Try questioning everything people say.

I did, but Delenn's reply of "scum wouldn't nokill considering they'd win if they killed" satiated me, since I didn't think hard enough about the Jester grief until it was too late.

[Davsto]

I'm sorry. I don't think I made personal attacks. Where did I make you feel like shit?

To clarify: there was a lot of emotion being thrown around and it sorta got the better of me. I got overwhelmed by so many emotions because at the time I was thinking you were town so it was just adfsbilufbisffbialuhdflidub in my head and ajsdbisufbidndsnfljigehilgn got the better of me.

Not your fault, you played as necessary, don't feel bad~

[Davsto]

Spoiler: all of my Jury posts

Jury:

Anyway, I am off to do things. Things that involve noodles. I will then sit back and enjoy you going at each other's throats, like for real. Anyone have some popcorn?

Jury:

ika's the judge.

Court:

LIES AND SLANDER! KILL HEARTLESS WHILE WE STILL HAVE TIME WE CAN GET SOMEONE ELSE AFTER THIS!

Jury:

the fact we're STILL getting voted up against delenn proves they're scum. this is as good as a cop guilty. plz lynch.

Jury:

If the nk thinks I am scum, he should vote you.

Jury:

I am likely vigged if he doesn't vote to ml me.

Jury:

Scum have zero incentive to vote me.

Jury:

You want me dead? Argue I am town.

Jury:

Wait a second, since the whole Judge thing lasts until the end of the day, does that mean we have to go through two lynches like this because of the whole Marshall thing?

Jury:

Because if so, us town should really get an idea of who to go for after Delenn, to prevent scum from quicklynching Heartless again.

Jury:

I'm pretty sure Delenn is basically confirmed scum right now. If they were town, they would have been hammered by scum by now.

Court:

NEUTRAL CLAIM ROLE!

Court:

WE NEED TO REACH A LYNCH!

Jury:

TTH, How can I put forth another candidate? I have put forth other people and you ignore me to shout off vitriol about how I am confscum because scum want to use me for a meat shield and I disagreed with you.

Jury:

I have suggested Dave because of his contradiction regarding the jester lynch. You ignored it. I could get behind that but right now I am voting no one.

Jury:

Lynching Runner I would also be down with.

Jury:

Nice to see you at least coming to the table to talk.

Jury:

Okay here's why Titus is scum: if she were Town then scum would've figured that lynching her now will mean that they can lynch Heartless unresisted next phase, since they then have majority without the town resistance. You guys got it?

Jury:

So killing roles will target protective roles? Then I'd better disappear.

Jury:

Anti hasn't been posting, Titus. I know he's busy doing something else. Please shut up and listen for a second.

Jury:

I'm very well aware that scum aren't going to bus. That's why I'm trying to find common ground. Another thing we could do that would give us a lot more breathing room for the third lynch is to judge hunt. What's your current opinion of who that is? -TTH

Jury:

I am using my action on ika as soon as the night arrives.

Jury:

If we think ika is the Judge, isn't he the best choice for today? Since this will last the rest of the Day - including the next lynch - it's probably clever to get him out of the way so that we can properly vote the next, without scum having the Judge giving an extra three votes and the ability to vote anonymously.

Someone

unvoted

.

Someone voted for

Delenn

.

Someone voted for

Runner

.

Jury:

Regarding ika: He's recently been subverting his lurking scum meta. Here, he wouldn't even be "scum" per se. Technically he'd be a third party, anti-town survivor that could win with the mafia or neutral killer. I also think ika is very strategic and would play to his win condition regardless of if that meant voting you or not. Right now, the Judge is very much playing to his win condition.

Jury:

Really, the fact that no one on the jury has shown up with his writing style and the court's is very much his writing style is making me very confident that ika is the judge.

Jury:

Should we test if ika is the judge?

Jury:

Someone "Jury" with ika's posting style should show up if we wagon ika?

Jury:

We don't have to make two lynches this way if we get ika - the Judge - lynched, I think. Or at least, we won't have to put up with a triple-powered scum-motivated vote. Hence, town really need ika dead, for our own good.

Jury:

Curious as to the rush of Ank votes. Is this a town-motivated or scum-motivated rush and, either way, why him?

Jury:

Yeh, looks like Ank is scum-motivated, considering the Vigilante claim.

(not sure if this was mine..?)

Jury:

See, this is why I said we should have planned who we went for next.

Jury:

I'm willing to bet that "ika-looking" post was scum faking it to avoid an ika. The reason we're not voting ika now anyway is because it's more important to get Mafia/Killing Neutral out of the way than it is to get a Judge killed, since the Maf/Neut have night actions while the Judge will be powerless after today. Us town are going for Runner but I highly doubt we'll manage it before scum get their way with Ank.

and yes Ank I'm aware I played pretty crap, but I was really damn stressed and to quite a large extent just didn't have the effort to deal with any crap.

[Davsto]

When you're complaining about lack of balance in a game with Role-Madness kinda roles randomly generated in all sorts of possibilities, you're doing something wrong.

[Davsto]

@Delenn And I had no choice but to retaliate against you. My plan was to save both davsto and myself, but you fucked that up.

You played well, Jeanne, and you were right. I was just too laiudhsuifhusildhf/stupid to realise and just ugh, I feel bad, sorry Jeanne.

[Davsto]

I had, like, many headaches was on the verge of replacing out three times. I should have gone through with it, on the chance that my replacement would have saved town.

You're not the only one, don't worry.

[Davsto]

So the one who behaves like a rabid dog is right and the calm one is scum? Guess dat ABR guide almost worked. Almost.

I'm not usually this super frustrated, IRL recent events have made me a bit meh and that whole "dav is scum because cop result" frustrated the everloving shit out of me.

Guaranteed, you'll probably never see me like that as any alignment again.

Aspieness can get a hold of me sometimes, apparently this was one of them. Sorry if I made you feel bad at all.

[Davsto]

Oh, neat, I think you mentioned that in a game.

Yeh, I know what you mean, do that all the damn time. I periodically thank all my friends for putting up with my crap

[Davsto]

That game was a fluke. Only game I'm proud of.

I'm just gonna slink away because I need sleep soon and IRL stuffs and ugh.

[Davsto]

Anyway I'ma just gonna pimp PUN MAFIA a bit more because 2 pre-ins left guyz! Super cool and stuffs and

PUNS

!

[Davsto]

Delenn played that masterfully, with the faking of others' posts.

[Davsto]

Nether, pre-in for your game.

I will pre-in Dave's as well. Game in.

I have all pre-in spots for my game filled.

This is somehow very fulfilling.

[Davsto]

No, as in you were the last pre-in, you filled it.

[Davsto]

Yes. All players which have asked for a pre-in up to this point are pre-in. Pretty happy about the list.