Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Antihero]

also

Actually, you scumslipped twice. Antihero and I both caught one each. Both are in the dead thread.

I would like to see those.

I hope y'all don't blacklist me. I know Anti+TTH were considering it.

because you were scum and playing to your win condition, i'm not blacklisting you. congrats.

the vote count on day 1 in the court outed you. we were voted 10 times, that's in a lot greater excess than the 7 needed to lynch. that means scum were moving around their vote. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, who was making a show of doing that, kids?

the fact anyone would jump to "framer" on the shiro results for no goddamn reason just boggles my mind. AND THEN LYNCH THE COP CLAIMING THE GUILTY...

seriously.

shaking

my

head

[Antihero]

mostly... i'm frustrated that my reads were dead on and scum miraculously got a magical, improbable pr that let them p much dayvig me.

if i was outmaneuvered politically or if scum fooled me i'd be a lot less of a sore loser than i am now.

[Antihero]

Ya the framer specualtion was a left feild that if i was town owuld of rammed lynched you for

that shouldn't have been able to happen, either

really it wasn't in aristophanes' best interest to vote with you, so i have no idea what the fuck happened there

[Antihero]

really the only joy i got out of this game was aristophanes getting dick-slapped in the face by cruel, random fate on night 1

[Antihero]

it was more a race against towv vs scum to get the first lynch

oh that's a fair race when scum have multivoters and FEWER PEOPLE

[Antihero]

AND BEFORE SOMEONE TELLS ME "OH YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE MARSHALL THING

scum could've theoretically just done the same thing to me on day 2.

seriously, that judge role is terrible, op'd, and should be nuked.

[Antihero]

it was more a race against towv vs scum to get the first lynch

oh that's a fair race when scum have multivoters and FEWER PEOPLE

never said it was a fair race anti

i mean you got dellenn to l-2 so i wouldnt be complainging

oh screw that, ika.

if you had my reads this game and this happened to you you'd be fussing just as loudly as i am

[Antihero]

i think judge should be moved up to full blown scum role instead of neutral

[Antihero]

Judge is overpowered only if there is mass execution in action.
Also I think mass execution should reduce the day deadline. May be the Court should do so as well.

marshall really isn't something that NEEDS a scum counter b/c the role isn't inherently broken.

the ability to hijack one of the lynches p much makes lylo come a day early (which is HUGE when scum pretty much have a traitor-like role anyway).

i think you underestimate how powerful the judge is, lemongrab.

[Antihero]

ika, with all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?

even w/o marshall, a scum team + judge can theoretically win with just one "not groupscum" lynch.

[Antihero]

1) vig
2) lynch
3) night kill
4) not being able to be an existable role

you can say this for literally any role you can imagine.

that doesn't make the role any less overpowered.

and you can theorycraft all day about shoulda' woulda' coulda'. when you give town no room for error, you're going to see town... not winning a lot.

is there a statistic for how often town wins when there's a judge in the setup from your homesite?

[Antihero]

Probably the increased vote power should be reduced to balance this role.

yeah... i think it can be reduced to...

zero.

you're already chopping town off at the knees by fucking the posting and voting mechanic.

[Antihero]

@Antihero

The problem is the Scum does not know who is the Judge.
And Judge does not know who is the Scum either.
The skills of determining each other is the key to playing Judge to its full power.
Putting Judge into the Scum actually empowers him rather than weakens.

judge doesn't have to know who the scum are he just has to be cognizant of the numbers.
scum accidentally bussing the judge isn't going to happen often so relying on that to balance things out... isn't going to balance things out.

[Antihero]

you're already chopping town off at the knees by fucking the posting and voting mechanic.

This is more about individual skills of town, scum and judge.
If you have poor scum and poor judge they won't use all of this posting and voting mechanic to its advantage.
If you have poor town they will just do what judge says and will be doomed.

Also I think I should rather post some vote counts during the Court.

it doesn't take good scum to hijack the lynch. it takes an understanding of basic math.

[Antihero]

if a judge can manage to call court and get lynched, he called court at the wrong time

[Antihero]

pedit: again what happens if we lynched delann and you and jester killed another scum? does that make jusgde still oped? or not as much

so in order to win this game i had to have dismantled the spiffeh wagon FIRST THING or else i'm fucked.

that's kind of an unreasonable thing to put on town.

[Antihero]

you don't make your roles op'd with the assumption that your players are incompetent...

/sigh

[Antihero]

not really? you could of let that lynch though, stay off it and be safe form jester.

uh... yeah really

that first lynch had to be good or else what happened in this game was going to happen

[Antihero]

you cant cover every base anti and you should knwo that.

EXACTLY.

ESPECIALLY AS TOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.

[Antihero]

the game is made ofr a 30 mins of entertainment.

...and, with this, i think we come to the root of the issue.

if you're doing this over the span of a marathon game, everyone's on anyway so that really nerfs the court because it puts town on even ground in terms of the "who's on" game.

the court, on a fundamental level, really fucks with the "low and slow" game style on MS that emphasizes day play.

[Antihero]

@Antihero

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, I'll keep thinking about this role and the balance.
My goal is to get something balanced without having to exclude the role completely because in that case Marshall & Crier will have to be excluded as well.

again, i don't think the marshall role is something that needs a counter. it's not a broken role. even when there's a triple lynch, there's no guarantee any of those lynches will be any good. scum can simply counter it with solid day play.

[Antihero]

maybe turn it down to a double lynch.

i actually really like that role. it lets town get an advantage, but if they want the advantage THEY HAVE TO EARN IT.

[Antihero]

ok... last post i'll make

contrary to what everyone probably thinks now, i'm not fussing here just to be sore loser pissy pants. as big of a bitch-and-moaner as i am, i can deal with losing to other players. here, i felt like i was beaten by the setup and there's nothing i hate more than feeling like i was beaten by the setup. fortunately it happens extremely rarely, but when it does i ... just feel like i wasted my time with a game that i realistically was never going to win anyway and i just feel awful b/c i feel like i turn into this terrible person that's bitter and frustrated.

alright... well

well well

have a good night