Mini 1722: Warcraft III - Reign of MAFIA (DOOM HAS COME)
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I usually would agree with FB but I am not a fan of survivors. I will need to discuss this with SW.
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While waiting for Titus to get back to me about FB, I'll post my thoughts since she doesn't read upon replacing in and I do.
FA looks town off of 132. Agree with 164 from Silver Bard and 197 and think Vezok is scummy. Shiro's claim is believable via 171 and don't see a reason to lynch it. Gale Wing Srock-now Performer looks bad but I'm willing to see what he does as a replacement. Shinobi looks exactly like I've always seen him as town. Vedith's questioning looks good as well.
Agree with 243 from FA and FB as Survivor does not have a town wincon and should be lynched.275 from ABR makes sense as well.332 by vezo also. And 348 by Brantz. Brantz's 342 looks good as well just in general.
No Performer, I mean by stalking that you are joining games someone is in that you want to play with via 450. Happens all the time on this site. Totally different than the peeping in your windows type of stalker, LOL.
Don't do the careful town doc from your first game unless you are scum. You were too scummy.
Inside jokes guys.
Also, ABR reminds me of his town game. Leaning scum on vezo, gale/performer and kind of meh on nether and inte, FB I think needs to go for the reasons already given. Everyone else has various levels of towniness from very mild Brantz to pretty strong-FA.
Will wait for Performer to catch up and see with Titus says. She may change this but this is my thinking as of right now.
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In post 463, BRantz wrote:@CotW: Why are you town reading Bard?
I liked his 164 and 197 because I thought his reaction to Shiro's claim was much better than Vezok's. Shiro's claim is very believable and Vezok's "lynch it" mentality seemed off to me and I agree'd with Bard's reaction much more.
Oh and hi Shiro!!
Your enthusiasm is nice to see!!
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I would like to see Peformer catch up and give opinions before deciding to lynch that spot.
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In post 480, vezokpiraka wrote:In post 479, Vedith wrote:I'm just looking to make sure that lynching FB is the right course of action.
Why do you want to rush this? I already said that I will vote that way if gets late to a lynch.
Why do I want to rush this? Because we are doing absolutely nothing. Nobody is posting interesting stuff. Everyone is hung up on Firebringer. He needs to go. Dragging the day is the best way to sow apathy.
This is scummy. Two new replacements entered the game and one hadn't even caught up yet and all he can do is scream for a lynch and say there's nothing going on when clearly there is.
What's the hurry? No one is going to let us NL and there is still conversation going on that you are ignoring in your rush to lynch FB. The more info. we get into D1, especially on two new replacements, the better.
Also, Titus has the flu so it's probably going to be me posting for a little while.
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In post 466, BRantz wrote:Bard's fence sitting on every position he has taken this game doesn't bother you a bit? He seems to be hedging every read.
I haven't really seen much in the 10 posts to take note of except for the ones I said I liked but he doesn't look scummy when I read it. I would like to see more from him.
In post 467, Netherspite wrote:@Call of the Wild, @Performer
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Why do you think thatFirebringershould die? I believe it's a waste of lynch.
If you read my intro/catch up post, you'd know the answer to this question. Is there some reason you are not paying attention? Do you have any opinions this game outside of not lynching FB and wanting to eat brains?
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inte's ISO looks like garbage and so does Nether's and so does Gale's. Vezo just seems like he'll lynch whatever is the most popular flavor of the moment. Performer's far too concerned with his predecessor.
Regarding the talk of replace outs-I scumread replace outs if they happen under pressure. If they happen because someone has hardly played or has a RL issue-I null read that as too busy to play.
In post 477, Shiro wrote:Performer might very well act town. Will that really change the fact that the slot is scum?
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The words of singersigner in frog mafia about my partner who pretty much was like gale and his replacement did good at looking town
I generally don't like lynching replacements before they have a chance to catch up. Even if Performer is scum, what he says can still be important. If he's town, we def want to hear him speak.
In post 506, Shinobi wrote:Has anyone played with Performer before?
I'm kind of inclined to do some meta diving.
I know Silver has but other than that, who?
I've played with him when he's been town and when he's been scum. One game of each.
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In post 492, Performer wrote:
I'm getting a disturbing feeling from Net. He spoke of being allied with Burning Legion (town), yet talks of eating brains and slaying humans. He said he was playing to his role pm but it doesn't give me a pro-town feeling.
@Performer-Why is this scummy to you?
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This looks slightly more like his towngame than his scumgame. He was kind of scummy and all over the place in that town game and in the scum game he was more awkward and lurky. I would like more time to sort him. I also think that "slip" is probably just role confusion based on his explanations of it.
VOTE: Firebringer
Both heads agree with this vote.
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Only SW has played with Performer scum in a finished game. I know I took advantage of Performer in Pariah's mafia for a similar non-slip.
VOTE: FB
Neither of us like Vezok but I would rather lynch confirmed not town this close to deadline.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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Ha Ha Ha-Told you we both agree'd with that vote. It's just one vote though. LOL
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The fact of the matter is, it was very close to deadline and like Titus said, I'd rather lynch confirmed non town than NL or rush a lynch.
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It wasn't a sure thing to me or Titus. We have experience with him so this should hold some weight. I said I needed more time there, not rush lynch him at deadline.
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In post 571, Titus wrote:Vezok should definitely be checked tonight? You agree?
Oh, FFS Titus. Check the damn hydra PT!!Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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Not wanting Performer, ABR, or Nether. Vezok's a long shot. Basically Shro would want redacted to look good.
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In post 582, Netherspite wrote:Oh, I really didn't expectShiroto lie about wincon.
Arthas becoming undead was making sense.
Well then, we got rid of one scum.
Also I'm kinda disappointed Ghoul ain't unique flavor. I thought everyone would have his own flavor ><
Still, this one is scum:
VOTE: vezokpiraka
The conflict with Shiro makes this less likely.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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@ABR, How is Nether scum with Shiro's open with him.
Gale is also on the no touchy list with Shaded.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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In post 587, Albert B. Rampage wrote:So Shiro turned town if his scumbuddies die, is that the gist of it?
I am reading it as Shiro loses.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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betray them and become a Death Knight. This means that to win, One of REDACTED and REDACTED has to live to endgame.(If you remain alone - you lose!)Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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Ewww Nether..your posting is gross. Ghoul is a VT. You don't get credit for crumbing VT, presuming you did.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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In post 594, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 584, Call of the Wild wrote:In post 582, Netherspite wrote:Oh, I really didn't expectShiroto lie about wincon.
Arthas becoming undead was making sense.
Well then, we got rid of one scum.
Also I'm kinda disappointed Ghoul ain't unique flavor. I thought everyone would have his own flavor ><
Still, this one is scum:
VOTE: vezokpiraka
The conflict with Shiro makes this less likely.
No it does not.
I don't see where you draw that from.
In post 585, Call of the Wild wrote:No FA either.
Ditto above.
There is nothing there that would make either of us more likely town with Shiro's flip. Going back through his ISO, I am surprised how little info he put out there without being called out on it.
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In post 52, Shiro wrote:Actually I think ABR slipped l think He meant to say character(possible cause scourge) but accidentally said role. It makes no sense to say the one role he didn't want when roles are closed and you can't anticipate anything.
VOTE:ABR
In post 363, Shiro wrote:In post 360, Gale Wing Srock wrote:In post 358, Shinobi wrote:The point is to kill mafia.
A 3p that claimed the way that FB did is never going to be mafia.
Try again town.
What do you mean, Try again Town? Are you survivor too?
Can we all agree that Gale is really scummy and should take priority over 3ps ?
In post 398, Shiro wrote:Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11
Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure
Here are some examples. Shiro is not going to apply heavy pressure to people who she has to keep alive until endgame. So, we can infer that these three are almost certainly town.
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Derp 398 is Gale. Meant to grab a different quote for Shaded, but my point is the same.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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Let me help you out here Titus. What we need to look at is people Shiro was pushing hard. Shiro knew who the scum were and knew he can't win if they die. So he will want them alive. He will not push them. So here's what I found in Shiro's ISO regarding pushes.
In post 52, Shiro wrote:Actually I think ABR slipped l think He meant to say character(possible cause scourge) but accidentally said role. It makes no sense to say the one role he didn't want when roles are closed and you can't anticipate anything.
VOTE:ABR
Makes ABR less likely to be scum. I wasn't scumreading him anyway.
In post 195, Shiro wrote:I like where I am voting
Bard came in made one post that appeases both sides(Showed concern over me and voted vezokpiraka) and left.
Vezokpiraka I am so-so part of me thinks he read that post as 3p cause he is scum and concerned about it cause town should even be thinking about 3p so Early. But yea not certain
Fa is town I think so is neather.
Fa reaction was really town.
Neather I doubt scum would rp like that.
Null on the rest, maaaaybe a small town lean on fire
These reads should tell us something about who may be scum and should be analyzed.
In post 363, Shiro wrote:
Can we all agree that Gale is really scummy and should take priority over 3ps ?
In post 398, Shiro wrote:Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11
Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure
In post 400, Shiro wrote:In post 399, FA_Q2 wrote:In post 398, Shiro wrote:Ok my resolve to lynch him just got raised to 11
Classic new player replacing at the sign of early pressure
You want to lynch before we hear from the replacement....
I have not seen this mythical new player replaces when pressured but have seen this argument eluded to many times.
I am positive he is scum yes. I have seen it happen more than once. Bot as town (and get angry at town not listening) and as scum watching my partner do it.
In post 474, Shiro wrote:Can we actually lynch scum in gale (now performer)
In post 477, Shiro wrote:Performer might very well act town. Will that really change the fact that the slot is scum?
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The words of singersigner in frog mafia about my partner who pretty much was like gale and his replacement did good at looking town
In post 505, Shiro wrote:Hey I was calling Gale scum for his lurkish oh I don't udnerstand the game behaviours way before Fire. The fact he replaced out when the pressure hit him just sealed it for me.
In post 557, Shiro wrote:In post 555, Vedith wrote:Sorry FB but I am always for a lynch than a no lynch day 1.
You should have just not said about the visiting and let an idiot explode.
You know wagon on scum performer was there and shining
I am just gonna note that when performer wagon started really taking off and people were ok with fire living, suddenly "oh my let's lynch FB"
Yea fb wagon has most scum on it, if not all >.>
P.edit Oh come on performer was like an almost sure hit Silver.
This means Performer is almost certainly town.
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In post 618, Netherspite wrote:I've read throughShiro's ISO.
Interesting thing: he was pushing (to some degree at least) all the scummy people.
Was he just bussing them? He will still win if scum will. He doesn't need to survive.
Or am I completely wrong about who's scummy and who ain't?
He loses if the scum die and he knows who they are. He isn't going to bus or try to lynch them. It plays directly against his wincon.
Do you even read or pay attention? The way Shiro was trying to rush lynch Performer at the end there means it is HIGHLY likely that Performer is town.
FFS
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In post 61, Shiro wrote:......
Of course I don't have a scourge character You just..... Did you just claim scum FA? you just voted me for believing I am not scourge
She wouldn't say her partner "claimed scum".
Revisiting my nether read though. His posting today is terrible.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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In post 640, FA_Q2 wrote:
AFAIK, Shiro has not claimed a sex and therefore is whatever you want to refer to 'it' as
I don't pay attention anyway to the she/he thing and never understood when someone got upset that they were called by the incorrect pronoun. Who really cares - I don't care if you referred to me as a she - as long as I actually understood what you were saying.
He said he was a guy in a game awhile ago. That's why I always refer to him as he.
Just a fun FYI for ya.
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Silver Bard doesn't look very scummy to me. Anybody want to tell me why he is?
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It is of my opinion that Shiro wouldn't hard bus his buddies and try to lynch them like he did with Performer and wouldn't push them like he did with ABR.
I don't know if Shiro would put both his buddies in his town reads but I kind of doubt it. I guess if it came down to it I could meta and see how he treats his buddies.
For now though, of the nulls, I think inte is the best bet for a lynch today based on play.
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Vezo shooting Shiro is believable due to his strong dislike of 3P's and thinking Shiro was a 3P so for now, I believe the claim. We can revisit if need be down the line but for now off limits with ABR and Performer.
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Townreading both his buddies just sets up obvious associatives and Shiro isn't dumb so for today we can exclude them. I think Titus was having second thoughts on Nether but this is not really something I'm too concerned about today.
We should go with the nulls who are:
-inte
-Silver Bard
-Shinobi
-Vedith
Of those, inte is the worst so that's where I'm at.
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No, I meant Shiro's null list.
inte is a scum read not a null read
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In post 688, vezokpiraka wrote:@silverwolf: if shiro is smart that means he knows wifom and he can town read his buddies. Why are you eliminating the town reads immediately?
Because it sets up obvious associatives and he has to keep them alive until endgame.
Also, this from Titus:
In post 637, Call of the Wild wrote:In post 61, Shiro wrote:......
Of course I don't have a scourge character You just..... Did you just claim scum FA? you just voted me for believing I am not scourge
She wouldn't say her partner "claimed scum".
Revisiting my nether read though. His posting today is terrible.
This means he isn't likely to accuse his partner of claiming scum if FA was scum. This is the post from Nether Titus didn't like so if one of the townreads is scum, this is likely it:
In post 593, Netherspite wrote:Lol, just realized that voting me at this point is basically a scumclaim.
Just because I softclaimed and roleplayed a Ghoul before anyone ever mentioned it and before we had the flip of another Ghoul.
In post 596, Call of the Wild wrote:Ewww Nether..your posting is gross. Ghoul is a VT. You don't get credit for crumbing VT, presuming you did.
And then there's this about Silver Bard:
In post 195, Shiro wrote:I like where I am voting
Bard came in made one post that appeases both sides(Showed concern over me and voted vezokpiraka) and left.
Which doesn't exclude him but means he's less likely than some of the others at this point.
I also had a townread on FA and Shinobi per this 453 and a much milder one on Vedith and Bard and didn't like Nether at the time so.
Prefer inte lynch today still.
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You are above inte, Nether, and Bard and 453 shows I like you just fine.
Like I'm probs something like this from towniest to least:
Performer, ABR, Vezo, FA, Shinobi, Vedith, Bard, Nether, inte.
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I have explained all my reads in this game and my reasons for them as well as for my inte vote in detail. Any questions, ask.
It's interesting how Vedith says there shouldn't be null reads and agree'd with me about looking at Shiro's nulls and about inte but then agree'd with Nether that there could be one Shiro townread who is scum and also goes along with ABR's feelings on us because we are not in his town list meaning we are null when he earlier said there shouldn't be nulls at this point.
If anyone can't see how contradictory that is, I don't know what to tell you. Is there some reason people are townreading Vedith? I liked his line of questioning on read through so I had him leaning town for that but this going with the flow attitude is making me question that. It's like whatever is the popular opinion at the time he's here, he goes with it.
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In post 732, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 729, Call of the Wild wrote:Is there some reason people are townreading Vedith?
He's town. Contradicting yourself doesn't make you scum. You're more scummy for suggesting that it is.
Going with the flow and whatever is popular IS scummy and pointing these things out is called scumhunting.
In post 736, Vedith wrote:In post 729, Call of the Wild wrote:It's interesting how Vedith says there shouldn't be null reads and agree'd with me about looking at Shiro's nulls and about inte but then agree'd with Nether that there could be one Shiro townread who is scum and also goes along with ABR's feelings on us because we are not in his town list meaning we are null when he earlier said there shouldn't be nulls at this point.
So because I think Shiro had scum in null and town?
That makes no sense...
I also said, there shouldn'tonlybe null reads. If you are going to try and make up shit, do better.
Nope, you aren't reading what I'm saying but nice misrep there, LOL
I can back all my statements up with post links when I have time but I'm busy now so it'll have to wait.
This strong resistance to the inte lynch is also noted.
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In post 753, SilverWolf wrote:In post 748, Vedith wrote:In post 742, Call of the Wild wrote:This strong resistance to the inte lynch is also noted.
Yeah, and the non focus on your scum read at L1 is noted.
You are more concerned about stirring the pot right now, to pass attention off what, a mis lynch?
Nope, I'm voting for inte so I don't think he's a mislynch nor am I trying to shift focus to a different lynch.
Hey, it's called scumhunting. You know. Pointing out things that are odd?
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In post 754, Netherspite wrote:In post 752, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You were wrong about Shiro, and you were wrong about vezok. Would you be willing to revisit your townread on Call of the Wild?
I'm definitely going to go through their ISO tomorrow (it's too late atm for me) because something made me worried about them today.
Love how suddenly everyone is so worried about us but won't specify.
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In post 757, Vedith wrote:In post 753, SilverWolf wrote:Nope, I'm voting for inte so I don't think he's a mislynch nor am I trying to shift focus to a different lynch.
Hey, it's called scumhunting. You know. Pointing out things that are odd?
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No, it's making up shit to give justification of a different lynch the next day and to draw focus from you. XD
I'm not too worried about you though, as I know if you're scum, Titus will slip up.
Please continue to lie if it makes you happy. I am hardly drawing focus away from me as that is the hot topic now. LOL
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In post 759, Vedith wrote:In post 758, Call of the Wild wrote:Love how suddenly everyone is so worried about us but won't specify.
Considering the post before this I say the words "not worried"... IronKnee
I was talking about Nether's post. I even quoted it.
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In post 764, Vedith wrote:In post 761, Call of the Wild wrote:Please continue to lie if it makes you happy. I am hardly drawing focus away from me as that is the hot topic now. LOL
Yeah that back fired for you...
Maybe you SHOULD let Titus do the talking, even she isn't that bad as scum.
From now on she can post. You are pissing me off.
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I swear all your comments above indicated we were scum but when pressed, you don't know? Yeah, that's not odd at all. Nope.
Anyway I've asked Titus to take over for awhile. I'm getting pissed off at your instigating shit and she will be along when she can.
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In post 770, Vedith wrote:In post 769, Vedith wrote:Yay for Titus - It's my preferred head of the 2.
And that wasn't actually supposed to come across as an insult.. I generally like playing in games with Titus.
Sure it wasn't.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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Ok seriously ABR, I'm town reading you but you're doing that thing where you treat everyone who disagrees with you like they're stupid. Contradictions are important as the reveal alignment.
P.S. Noether's scum. If inte is scum, then we're turbo lynching Nether. Period. Hell I'm tempted to turbo lynch him now but we're this close to lynching inte scum.
Vezok worries me as well. I know outed vig = unlikely to be scum. That doesn't mean impossible. Vezok keeps attacking obvious town fmpov. I also claimed vig as scum in Gundam Seed. I was just the scum kill.
Oh Vedith, you bought me CCing a cop as scum so if you're going to gloat actually get my alignment right. :-p
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In post 778, Vedith wrote:In post 776, Call of the Wild wrote:Oh Vedith, you bought me CCing a cop as scum so if you're going to gloat actually get my alignment right. :-p
No, in every game it's obvious. Plus I had you pinned before.
I didn't say your align, so how can I be wrong?
hmmmm? hmmmm?
Everyone knows that was a reaction test or a piss poor implication of me as scum. You wouldn't do it if you thought we were town.
*pats*
Now either we can quibble trying to show who is in whose head better or we can actually lynch scum?
While SW knows you're just trying to provoke, I see the tactic and raise you.
Scum
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Not Groupscum probably
Vezok
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Your thoughts on inte Shinobi.
Scum's in inte/Nether/TSB/Vezok. Agree or Disagree?Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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In post 782, Shinobi wrote:Abr should I expect some sort of reasoning from you at some point or is this all I can expect?
It really bugs me that I wound up in your scum pile after you know how often and frequently people are suspicious of me for next to nothing. I'm expecting something more than whatever it is you're doing right now.
Waaaah!
Abr's town. He can say gut. Ignore gut boy and answer me. Pleading with gut players is stupid.Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf-
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@Shinobi, Shiro. It's been quoted by us.
@Vedith, Why aren't you a fan of lynching Nether scum?Hydra of Titus and SilverWolf
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