Mini 1739a: Netherspite's SORM II [Game Over]

[RadiantCowbells]

*arrives and perches on a log*



I'm town killing.

I'm actually heavily inclined to believe that Jeanne11 is in fact town based on how genuine her reaction seems.

I'd much rather VOTE: Frozen Angel who is usually obvtown but is scummy as fuck in this game.

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Jeanne pls help me lynch FA <3 you.

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I'll look at Pigeon Boy later but I'm nearly positive that Angel is scum here.

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We must stand united in the quest to lynch FA.

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I fully agree with Shos but I'm way scumreading FA over Adenine.

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Titus can you please unvote?

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Oh lol for some reason I thought you were voting Jeanne11.

Carry on, professor.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm townreading

Jeanne is way town based on her emotional reactions seeming way too visceral to be either scum or jester.
Ika's anger and frustration with her play also strikes me as genuine.
Firebringer I'm thinking is town but I note that I have not successfully read him in the past.

I'm scumreading

FA in my experience with her is blindingly obviously town as town and she's instead been quite scummy this game and doesn't have any of the passion she usually does.
Your "reads please RC" is quite forced and I find the lack of any genuine emotion behind your so why? in your last post suspect, plus your "Reads please RC." is extremely by the book and robotic.

Everyone else is null at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, you're supposedly super confident in your ability to read Ika but you aren't pushing or giving any impetus behind that at all.

I don't like it.

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You've been asking questions and letting them go unanswered with no follow up, and until that you weren't AtEing as much as I'm used to seeing from you.

Regardless, I actually like this more.

VOTE: Titus

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, WTF?

Every single post by Titus is either a one liner or a two liner.

Is this some sort of obscure Jester ploy?

[RadiantCowbells]

Appealing to emotion, AKA a post that tries to show how you're feeling as opposed to making a logical argument.

RC your making a horrible mistake!

what is this?!! clearly you don't know me yet! what scummy behavior?!

This is an example.

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I never said it was a bad thing, and usually AtEs are more likely to come from town than scum, although this isn't always the case and it depends on who the player is.

I'm liking you a lot more for town though

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I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this.

If Titus is going to WIFOM Jester I'm perfectly happy lynching her and risking jester suicide. it's better than letting her WIFOM the game.

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I have shared other reads, thank you.

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Aristo, are you still scumreading Jeanne?

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No, Adenine, I don't think this is Titus just playing scum, I think this it Titus trying to WIFOM Jester.

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Yeah, I'm honestly not at all surprised but I wasn't going to let Titus go through the game playing like she was playing.

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VOTE: Adenine

His push onto FA after she volunteered to self destruct on veteran is absolutely absurd.

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If she was getting lynched otherwise, yes absolutely.

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As in, if they're scumpartners?

Then she won't die and we can sort it out tomorrow. Even if they're both scum together there's still 4 more scum to find.

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Then FA claims that she stayed alive and we have a confirmed scum between the two of them tomorrow.

I'm not sure why this creates a problem for you.

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I mean, if it IS a fake veteran then having someone to suicide into the veteran would help us quite a bit.

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I mean if the vet fakeclaim is jester and FA is ballsy scum then yeah this ends up badly for town but besides that I don't see the issue here.

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Aristo is definitely a good scum pick, but I like my vote.

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Anyway, Adenine is scum my queen and I deeply implore her majesty to bring the royal lynch down upon him.

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I wonder if Anen formats his posts as quote walls so I don't read them and identify his scummitude

Exactly this, now go lynch him.

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Like, I could definitely see Jeanne as jester or as town but I can't see her as scum at all.
FA is pretty definitely town here.

Even if you guys are dead set on FA scum she's volunteered to sac on Vet which will confirm them and give us setup info so I don't see what the issue is at least giving her a night to do it.

Adenine is fake as pigeon poop. lynch him.

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Everybody in this game needs to calm down and eat some fruit or something.

FA, deep breaths then vote Adenine with me please <3

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Honestly I don't really know anymore. I had strong feeling of wanting to lynch Adenine but I'm not so sure now.

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It's mostly PoE because I have WAY too many townreads for a game of this size.

I'm very heavily inclined to believe that all of the following are town:

Myself
Ika
FA
Jeanne
Spiffeh
Titus
Randomidget

So I'm not like saying that I've solved the setup to the point of PoEing but that's where I'm at now and I'm really ready to lynch anywhere outside of that.

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BTW, if I just called every single town at this point I better get a fucking medal.

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Anyway, Spiffeh's Aristophane vote sounds good too but claiming invest with 3 invests already claimed makes me suspect Jester/Exec so I'm less inclined towards that.

I'd still gladly do it to clean things up though.

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Hey, if that's what you want to do I'll support you, I just think that there's better votes.

Adenine / Shos my two favourite lynches right now with regards to likelihood of hitting scum.

Playing scared of a Jester is stupid btw

VOTE: Aristophanes

Yeah I don't do that shit.

VOTE: Aristo

[RadiantCowbells]

Post-edit. You moved on. Why do you think Aristophanes is scummier than Angelissa?

Well I'm outright townreading Angel whereas I don't have a strong read on Aristo but I'm seeing him as somewhat similar to the game where he replaced my slot.

I'm half PoEing this at any rate.

Need a pigeon, RC?

Yes, I do.

Right now Angelissa is my best bet. Someone in my claim cathegory must be lying (unless every single "Town Random" ended up getting an Investigative), therefore I'm focusing on the other 3 besides me. In her answers she's been ignoring obvious facts all the time (most importantly: every single townie has a PR, so every anti-town fake-claims, therefore we need to lynch a PR-claim), and besides being survivalistic she's doing little-to-nothing.

You know who else is in your claim category.

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I also really really don't like Shos because his entry was fake as shit and I think he was just waiting for some people to claim so he could pick a safe category.

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Guys can I understand why Ika is not being voted right now?

Why should he be getting voted exactly?

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I think for you to telegraph any night actions effectively it would require everyone to hard claim, which isn't likely to work.

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Morning, angel

Yeah, if you can find a way to organize the actions in a way that will work without having giving scum information I'm down for it.

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go sleep more, yikes. wait is this sunday or monday morning for you?

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Well, looks like you can't sleep then!

don't fall asleep in class, or at work, or whatever you're doing today

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k honestly I'm really not enjoying this game at all so here's what I suggest

I'm going to bodyguard Titus, Jeanne lookouts me, Adenine confirms the veteran.

Deal?

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Random struck me as town on my initial read so I want to at least give him a chance.

I'm willing to sac into him so that I can be done with this.

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I actually agree with Anen being scum. That was about only read I liked in your post.
Spiffeh I feel is also scum. So yeah.

Team is:
FA, Spiffeh, Anen

Thats what I am thinking. Don't know about the neutrals. I don't get the feeling we have a jester for Benign.

Yeah, I literally can't even come close to fathoming how you can be scumreading Spiffeh right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and this is old but I just found this now and it's fucking awesome.

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Not fucking obvtown Spiffeh that's for sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

ALBUS SENT YOU HALLELUJAH
ALBUS SENT YOU HALLELUJAH
ALBUS SENT YOU HALLELUJAH
CUZ DARK LORD FUNK GON GIVE IT TO YA
CUZ DARK LORD FUNK GON GIVE IT TO YA
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DONT BELIEVE ME JUST WATCH
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DARK LORD FUNK YOU UP
DARK LORD FUNK YOU UP
DARK LORD FUNK YOU UP
DARK LORD FUNK YOU UP

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I'm just curious, FA, what's your read on Spiffeh?

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I approve of these reads. 10/10, would read again.

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Titus, if lookout is not on me and mafia have consort I can be RBed and you can be killed and I will probably be mislynched the next day for it.

See what I'm saying?

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I'm bodyguard.

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And yeah I'd cry no salty tears over and Aristo lynch but

VOTE: Shos

This is scum, 100%.

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I voted Aristo because Spiffeh was badgering me and because I didn't have any scum reads that I wanted to push on my own.

If you think that makes one of myself and Aristo scum, lynch one of us.

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If lookout goes on me then scum can't kill you tonight without revealing yourself. It buys you a day at least.

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scum can't kill you tonight without revealing at least one of them*

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I mean I don't really support IIOA as a tell but that's all Shos is doing.

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Scum can't do anything to Titus unless they're able to roleblock me.

By having the lookout on me as opposed to Titus, we prevent scum from killing either the mayor or her BG without having a consort, and we force one scum to scumclaim in order to take one of us out.

It's the correct play.

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inB4 I claim agent

xDDD

This is so fucking absurdly fake.

Shos is feeling the pressure and cracking. lynch it.

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Both of the other 2 wagons with 2 people has one person I'm scumreading and one person I'm townreading.

Firebringer, do you not have any issue with your current wagon only being supported by someone you're scumreading?

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Also, "as much as you hate to admit it" Ika?

What's up with that?

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Well, that's going to make this Jester win pretty hard.

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Actually on the subject of jesters I had an idea.

We should offer to lynch jesters and then micromanage which people we have do the guilty votes so that we can simultaneously get rid of an anti-town role and get a decent shot at killing scum.

We'll lose some information on the wagon but given that as long as you're alive we won't get much on that end it'll be a great way to clean the air.

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I suggest we start by seeing both of their claims because protective could be something confirmable such as bus driver and the investigative could also claim lookout which we would be able to throw on Jeanne to make it even harder for scum to kill you without scumclaiming.

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Yeah, I'm honestly just about done with this game. Confirmed townies are cancer enough to play with without giving them 3 votes.

Like there's basically no point in me doing anything besides prod dodging here.

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I am a regular doc.

a REGULAR doc.

As opposed to?

Holy fuck.

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As in, opposed to a witch doctor but it's not a distinction I can possibly imagine a real doctor making.

I'd be happy speedlynching it after that OH WAIT I'D HAVE BEEN HAPPY SPEEDLYNCHING IT ANYWAY GG

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Titus, your humble subject requests permission to have the ML target Adenine tonight.

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It would prove you're not cult, yes.

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It means that if you were mafia you would know whether or not he targeted you.

It's one of the reasons one of the most hilarious claims to make is to say that you can't be cult because the ML visited you.

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(as jester)

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I mean, I wouldn't mind having a sheriff check Adenine instead and ML target out since he's also being scumread for mafia heavily.

But I have a strong suspicion that Adenine is cult.

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But honestly I have absolutely no desire for him to be able to get out and cult someone else tonight so if we're going to sheriff him I'd actually want him to get MLed as well.

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Adenine, you've always been good when you're town.

Your scum play though, not real big on that.

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Well, I'll hype your town game at some other time because you're not town in this one.

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But yeah, you were quite solid in the newbie we played together and you also won team mafia so...

It's something~!

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Not because of the intrinsically obvious town qualities of my play? *cries*

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Why do you want Shos specifically to visit you?

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I suggested making a claim that would get you instalynched and you're saying that I slipped by explaining that it meant jester when it makes no sense for any other role.

Yeah, that makes sense. Random your partner?

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I personally believe that FA is town but given that she volunteered I would consider it a strong play to have her target Randomidget so we can figure out what's up with that.

At the very least, someone should do it.

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Why Shos specifically.

Why not lynch Shos and have someone else who we think is scummy do it?

As in, why should we be lynching someone else over Shos here?

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Like, I don't want Shos to do it because I'm pretty damn sure he's some sort of scum and we'll just end up lynching between you two tomorrow.

I want FA doing it because I think she's town, not in spite of it.

If she's still okay with it.

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I mean yeah it's great if Ari is town but if he's scum and then just goes on doing his thing then we end up lynching him and you don't end up cleared.

We also need a lookout to keep the mayor alive, so Jeanne isn't really an option, plus I'm not sure she would be sold on it.

FA agreed to do it, I'm fairly sure she's town and so I trust her result regardless of whether you NK her or are scum yourself.

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Well, if Titus goes for it I appreciate it.

It shows both the quality of your play and your character to make the (possibly!) sacrifice play for your team

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Then we don't have a confirmed town.

The goal of having you sacrifice yourself would be to give up someone whom only I think is town (you) for an absolute clear whom everyone can know is town.

Lynching Random doesn't help us solve you, but you visiting him will clear him if he's town.

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I personally am in fact townreading Random so I'm thinking that you will most likely die, but at least it shrinks the invest pool and gives us a clear.

Thanks for playing

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Well, if Titus agrees.

But that's pretty much why I hate this setup right now.

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1) If Shos is witch doctor as we suspect then we'd risk you getting culted.
2) If you get docced we can't actually confirm that he's not a killing role who targeted as opposed to veteran.

Unfortunately the only way this play is of any real value is if we do this with the intention of having you getting NKed tonight without protection.

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FA's invest will not confirm you. You could easily be MM self targeting.

Someone has to actually die to clear you as town.

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FA's invest will not confirm you. You could easily be MM self targeting.

Someone has to actually die to clear you as town.

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Exactly but NOT if the person who visits him is docced.

We need someone to visit him undocced.

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@RC, if hes MM who self targets it would be knwon by death decisption again, vet/MM have diffretn death

Exactly, but only if someone actually gets NKed.

A doc save does not distinguish between the source of the attack, and the investigation wouldn't differentiate it either.

*sigh*

I hate hydraing.

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I absolutely love how all the scummy as fuck people are trying to move the lynch around.

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I mean we could have Adenine be the sacrifice but I'm not positive he's town and I really don't want to end up in a he-said she-said situation there.

I'm getting a definite impression that FA doesn't want to die this early in the game though so idk what's up here.

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Not in a scummy way though more of a I just don't want to die way.

So now I really don't want to lose FA because she's pinging me as town so hard.

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I'm still really really happy with a Shos lynch, and I'm also really feeling everyone else who has said that they're scumreading Random.

So I really don't want to not have a sacrifice.

I'd tentatively be willing if I wasn't already an important cog in the town machinery until I die so IDK what goes here.

Where's Titus?

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Shos has been talking me for pages and pages like he thinks that I'm town and now declares a scumread on me? please.

I will be very unhappy with you Titus if we lynch Aristo, regardless of what he flips. Shos is scum, throw FA or someone on Aristo if you're worried about him.

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Man, I used to be 19000 in sc2mafia but I lost my account.

I'm real sad.

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Still saying that we either lynch Shos or I call for another election.

FA, are you still planning to target the vet claim?

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Vedith, get fucking Adenine, not Ika.

Or Shos if he's still alive for some reason.

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Benevolent Dictator hasn't posted in 2 days.

That alone makes me suspicious.

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I actually wanna keep FA alive now but there's no one else I really townread that we can send.

Urgh.

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btw Vedith, where's the RC policy lynch at tho?

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like fucking nonsense dude like if it wasn't super fucking transparent that this shit is being propped up as a counterwagon you're out of your goddamn minds.

and fuck no Ika can't afford to have someone suicide cuz we just wasted our fucking d1 lynch on someone we could have gotten a replacement for.

adenine targets Ika, FA targets Adenine, ML targets Shos. I literally guarantee you that if Ika/Shos/Adenine aren't the scumteam outright that at least 2 of them are, or are cult.

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I just want to remind everyone that Ika could still be cult even if Shos flips something with immunity.

Between the funeral for my uncle coming up and babysitting his kids I'm going to be low key for a week or so but we gots dis.

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Hey, Titus, if you're going to trust me in one game ever, please stall that lynch and lynch this.

VOTE: Spiffeh

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I guarantee you this slot is not protown.

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Spiffeh, if by some absolute coincidence you happen to be town aligned you know why I'm lynching you and you will keep it to yourself for 2 confirmed scum.

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Like, if you're cult like I'm nearly positive you are, you are going to guarantee that both cult and town lose here by talking.

If you're not, you know that Adenine and +1 is confirmed scum based on your flip, and in fact you will know that I'm town here.

Either way, shut up and we're lynching you.

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All you do here is agree that we're autolynching Adenine if you flip town.

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I'm so glad Ika posted that shit btw because I hadn't even read the game.

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Wait wait wait.

Can cult choose which member performs their night action?

Because if someone was culted last night we have a 50% chance of stopping them from culting again if we let ML target tonight.

Unfortunately, that neither confirms nor denies FA's claim of being audited which denies us a confirmed scum in Bella, and auditor is a low key threat so we're probably better off using Ika's shots to search for likelier main faction scum targets / cult.

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And actually I think that lynching the night immune may be an even better idea than I can share atm.

So yeah, just go ahead and Vedith targets Spiffeh and we can go for the night immune target.

Or we could have Ika shoot Spiffeh and that would work fine instead.

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Please don't pretend like you don't know exactly what happened.

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Spiffeh, if I have to say anything further it hurts both our win conditions, even if yours isn't the same as mine.

Shut up.

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Spiffeh, you know that I can get you guaranteed lynched if I have to.

There's no reason to do this.

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Like, before you make another post, think about what's going on here.

Do you think there's any conceivable way you can prevent your death tonight?

because there isn't.

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No, I expect you to go along with it because you know that you can't possibly squirm yourself away from this one if I put all my cards on the table.

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If Spiffeh in his next post isn't agreeing that he is getting ML or vigged tonight I will explain what's going on.

He shouldn't make me, considering he knows that I'm town, but I'll do it.

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Alright, Spiffeh playing pretend here should be taken as confirmation that he's antitown but I'll go on.

I'm not BG, I'm BD. I bussed Spiffeh with Random tonight because I thought they were both town and had docs on me and (only partially correctly) thought that Spiffeh was a likely kill target and I wanted to send scum into Veteran to get us multiple confirmed town in one go since I didn't think we were running sacrifices.

Therefore, Adenine's investigative result is in fact on Spiffeh.

Spiffeh may deny being bussed here

I also have a very strong suspicion, given that we have reason to believe that Random is neither veteran nor cultist based on Spiffeh being there, and that the other neut is almost certainly Auditor (given the FA/Bella situation) which is not night immune that he was in fact the janitor (based on not run over by a bus message) and janned himself last night.

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Completing that thought.

Spiffeh may deny being bussed here but hopefully someone can get their shit together.

I'll bus Titus with someone that I feel is unlikely to eat a NK tonight.

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No mafia redirection role does such a thing.

The only possibility is Witch which is nearly confirmed to not exist in the setup at this point.

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Like, no.

Titus, you think that scum double targeted into the vet claim?

Let's be real here.

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Like, I will be confirmed town tomorrow, but we need to get rid of cult tonight.

So, yeah.

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Anen could be lying, yes. He would be confirmed scum if you flipped non cult.

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Wait what the fuck?

Or Anen is lying?

YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T BUSSED.

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No, I'm fucking done talking with you.

We can vig you or lynch you, idc, you die tonight.

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ALSO SPIFFEH FUCKING ADMITTED HE WAS MADE PART OF SHENANIGANS

HE ADMITTED HE WAS FUCKING BUSSED AND NOW HE'S RETRACTING IT

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Also, are we forgetting these choice comments?

Titus should be the one to hammer so we can confirm she hasn't been culted (why do we think Random was cult?).

Btw Anen said something I really didn't like a few posts back but I don't remember what it was and don't feel like finding it rn

Slam dunk bitch.

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>randomidget flip
>middle of d2

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Hey, do recruited docs become witch docs?

I think we may need to lynch him today and then put a bullet in one of the protective claims.

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Also, what in fucknations is this.

So random was cult?
Wait why did you check a Vet claim?
That seems odd.

Also why did scum attack a vet claim. That is even more suspicious.

ML/Vig on firebringer or I'm a monkey's uncle.

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Actually would cult have had time to discuss with other cult?

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Yeah, assuming that Ika is legit, Firebringer is the only other contender for protective in the game.

Le MLerino cappucino from cincinno ty.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please humour me on this and double shoot him.

I don't want to risk him surviving to some witch doc shenanigans.

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What was FA's claimed invest before getting audited?

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So,

Town / non-night immune flip: Vedith visits Spiffeh
GF flip: ika vigs Spiffeh, Vedith visits FA.
MM flip: double up on Spiffeh

and then hope it's an MM flip.

Adenine who is most likely town at the present moment can then go on whoever he most suspects.

Sound good?

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Umm, yeah, no.

We're lynching Cult or we're lynching claimed night immune.

Even if she actually is auditor she's not worth our time at the moment.

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Actually, that's weird as fuck.

Why the fuck would Auditor!Bella use her audit when there's a confirmed cult and she's already claimed survivor.

Can Adenine be on FA?

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Yeah I'm not cult but ok

What is the point of doubling up on me even if you think I'm cult? It's a waste of an action. Scum would push this agenda.

Why the fuck are you arguing against it?

I KNOW you are fucking cult.

I fucking KNOW it dude. Between the invest and you claiming non-bussed, it's confirmed.

Further, it does NOT help you to try to split the targets UNLESS you have a WD. It's optimal for you to waste as much of the mason leader's time as possible.

So you're asking me why I want to do this?

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Like no we're double targetting him or we're lynching him.

At least if we have a MM alive the WD may be scared to jump in and clear both cult in one fel swoop.

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Like think about this.

Why the fuck is Spiffeh so intent on giving Vedith the chance to recruit FA?

That does not serve cult win con at all.

Unless.

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Wait a fucking minute what if fucking IKA is the cultist.

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Maybe that's why he keeps flying in asking for the vig instead of the ML target.

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No, if Ika does not have a kill tonight everyone promises me that we're fucking autolynching him

like literally the most fucking automatic lynch of all time.

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No, I'm not doing this.

Scum will still be scum, cult is fucking cancer and I'm not dealing with being culted into basically forced loss VS either ML or scum in late game.

VOTE: Spiffeh

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And yeah, we can basically guarantee at this point that Janitor killed and cleaned himself just based on process of elimination.

We're only looking at 2 legit threat scum outside of cult remaining, tops.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah in fact I'm fucking positive right now dude.

It's Ika/Spiffeh. Ika was vig, now cult.

Shos is therefore still BP.

We need to fucking nip this in the bud tonight.

[RadiantCowbells]

Doesn't fucking matter I'm literally confirmed town you can't screw with a bus driver claim.

No one in the goddamn universe is going to believe your "i wasn't bussed" claim when otherwise it throws scum double targetting onto a vet claim.

I'm going to rip your shitty cult to shreds.

[RadiantCowbells]

So yeah, that's what's going on.

It's not about avoiding the double target for witch doctor, it's about having the ML NOT targetting them tonight.

2cultdeath1night inc.

[RadiantCowbells]

You are v. indecisive

This is apparently coming from someone who believes I lied about bus driving him.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, the only reason I don't want to do this is because with the MM alive I can't actually bus Titus and kill us both.

But I honestly think it's the best play at the moment.

[RadiantCowbells]

Witch is impossible.

Please Titus see reason here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus is not culted.
Vedith is not culted.
Spiffeh was throwing dirt at Adenine, leading me to believe that Adenine is not culted.
I'm strongly inclined to believe that FA is not culted.
Bella is almost certainly not culted, because it's a complete waste of a cult.
I am not culted.
Shos can't be culted if Ika's telling the truth, which seems incredibly likely at this point.
Spiffeh is confirmed cult.

That means that, based on Conspiracy/Soliciting going off and there being in fact one extra cult as a result, there is a cultist in Firebringer & Ika.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like not only that but I believe the audited claim and you're honestly a flaming cunt for trying to lynch neutrals that are on your team.

I have absolutely no fucking desire to allow you to win when you're trying to screw over people who are sided with you.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, please unvote Shos.

It's the wrong move today, I guarantee it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Harsh, but it's true.

Neutrals are supposed to side with neutrals in SCmafia for a reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't care what MM does.

I want to live or die with town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Doesn't matter about fucking bodies when we potentially end up in 8 way with 3 cult alive.

And if that's GF as opposed to MM, I STILL can't bus you without risking both of our lives.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mafia won't kill the cult while there's a mason leader alive.

What will happen, is that ML will end up killing cultists while cults recruit so we're effective going 2 kills per night, virtually guaranteeing a maf win, or we end up letting the cult run amok while we try to lynch scum, guaranteeing a cult win if we don't literally get last living maf on our first try.

This doesn't end in a town victory unless cult are all dead tonight.

[RadiantCowbells]

You realize that every single turn cult is alive we get an additional anti town player to contend with?

We get rid of cult now, we have 3 anti town left. period.

We don't get rid of cult, we don't know how many anti town we are left with.

[RadiantCowbells]

MM targets Titus if it's alive.

End story.

It guarantees a kill on her and kills me as well if I'm stupid enough to target her.

[RadiantCowbells]

YOU ARE FUCKING CULT YOU LIED ABOUT MY BUS.

I DONT KNOW HOW THIS IS EVEN A DISCUSSION

[RadiantCowbells]

No, my plan is that IKA IS PROBABLY FUCKING SCUM.

My plan is that we lynch Spiffeh, ML targets Ika, Ika if he is still vig targets whoever we most believe to have been culted, so either Fire or Adenine.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus, MM targets houses, not players.

[RadiantCowbells]

If getting rid of cult means that MM and mafia gain majority we didn't have majority in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

MM+maf are 2 players. They will be 2 players until the end of the game.

Cult will become more and more players and make this impossible.

[RadiantCowbells]

So, why are you assuming that Shos is MM though?

[RadiantCowbells]

OK.

If I'm NOT bus driver

why did both scum target the vet claim.

Can you answer this?

Why claim BG if you're bus RC?

To keep you alive. The only way scum would risk targeting into it is if they had some way to neutralize me, and if that's the case my deception didn't cause problems anyway.

Plus, my role is confirmable so I don't risk getting mislynched for it later.

[RadiantCowbells]

You realize that it still doesn't work with auditor then if you keep assuming I'm cult? It would be a 3v3 stalemate where mm/maf/audit can vote block

And that's better than 3 cult + auditor vote blocking?

[RadiantCowbells]

My plan doesn't have no holes but it's the most likely one to end in a town victory.

I guarantee you that if we let cult live today then town doesn't win. Cult might, maf might, but not town.

Rc why didn't ransom alert then?

because he wasn't veteran at all, he was the janitor.

Why else lie about the role?

I mean if he is vet that didn't the original target would be spiffeh so what you saying makes no sense

Yeah, scum targeted Spiffeh.

What's your point?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like hell dude Titus you're even reading me as scum here.

Did you ever consider that MAYBE you just can't read me and always consider me scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

K.

We're assuming that I believe that FA is town because it's the crux of all this.

The scum setup then becomes:

Auditor
Cult


Now we assume that Random is not town!lying because there's absolutely no motivation for town to lie there and it would just end with him getting lynched when no one dies.

So what could it be?

Auditor? Maybe, but then why didn't he CC as survivor and push that lynch for towncred, given that there's confirmed only 1 non-cult in the setup.
Cult? Can't, because Spiffeh is cult and he wouldn't have been able to convert.
MM? Wouldn't have died.
Maf support? Lynched D1.
Godfather? Wouldn't have died.

He's basically confirmed janitor.

[RadiantCowbells]

mean correct me if wrong but that leaves 9, mm kills you and Titus, 7, mafia shoots and kills, 6. Town is in stalemate where they can't win

how is having a billion cult alive better?

Maf and MM need to deal with each other at some place so it shouldn't be too difficult for us to push a lynch on the other the next day.

I can also get rid of maf shots by bussing them onto GF.

[RadiantCowbells]

Want me to map out what happens when we don't lynch handle cult here? because it's far worse.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ika is scumclaiming. I'm finishing my post explaining why it's not a viable strategy to not lynch cult today.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is assuming Ika scum because it's the crux of my issue.

It's also assuming Auditor DOESN'T pull its head out of its ass and audit the ML, which causes 100% cult win virtually no matter what.

We lynch Godfather:

Current numbers:
2 cult
5 town
1 auditor
1 MM

ML kills one cultist, MM kills one town (Titus)

->
2 cult
3 town
1 auditor
1 mm

We lynch MM:
ML kills one cultist, cultist recruits one.
->
2 cult
2 town
1 auditor

GAME OVER CULT WIN BYE.

-> We lynch cult

OPTIMIZED AT ML KILLS ONE CULT, MM KILLS ONLY ONE TOWN.

-> 1 auditor
1 MM
2 town.

Game over, MM win.

[RadiantCowbells]

Learn something from taht?

If this flips godfather TOWN LITERALLY CANNOT WIN.

[RadiantCowbells]

MM table incoming but I'm using indent much more heavily.

[RadiantCowbells]

MM lynch.

1 GF
1 Auditor
2 Cult
5 town.

-> ML kills 1 cult, GF kills one of myself, Titus, and Vedith, cult cults one.
1 GF
1 Auditor
2 cult
3 town.

Titus is guaranteed to be alive so she forces a lynch through on
(gf) ->
Cult cults and loses one.
1 Auditor
2 cult
2 town
Scum majority! We lose.

(cult) -> Cult exterminated, GF strikes town.
1 Auditor
1 gf
2 town
Mafia wins!

[RadiantCowbells]

Dude WE FUCKING GUARANTEED LOSE IN EITHER SETUP BASED ON 1 SCUM KILL A NIGHT.

IF MM KILLS 2 WE JUST FUCKING LOSE HARDER.

[RadiantCowbells]

I handled both situations.

We lose both.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keep in mind that as soon as I'm gone Titus gets culted or killed IMMEDIATELY.

[RadiantCowbells]

And can you imagine if Auditor audits ML?

Tonight?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's POSSIBLE.

But you're basically relying on someone making god tier plays who has already suggested the god tier play is to do something else entirely.

Who says that I don't get culted or audited or killed?

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't claim what I'm doing, I have to wifom.

Maybe I pull something crazy off, but I can pull something crazy off VS GF / MM just as easily as I can with cultists culting everywhere, and I know which eventuality I find a ton more cancerous.

[RadiantCowbells]

I bus myself I risk

1) Titus dying / culted / audited.
2) Vedith dying / culted / audited.
3) Myself not being cleared because Spiffeh is still denying the bus and possibly getting MLed in the search for scum, unless Firebringer is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who the FUCK did Jeanne target anyway?

Why wasn't she on me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Or holy shit.

What if the MM WAS on me but we don't have any protectives at all to put on Jeanne.

I mean, Firebringer could be scum and that would leave me as the sole protective, no one claims RBed and there's no other bus driver...

[RadiantCowbells]

Firebringer claims now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please stop thinking about me and just go to class, jeez.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to reread Adenine.

[RadiantCowbells]

How did he call Spiffeh correctly as cult though?

He can't be main faction scum, that's virtually confirmed based on that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why can't that be the truth?

It seems actually pretty legit here.

[RadiantCowbells]

LOL

Yeah, Adenine converted.

[RadiantCowbells]

Or maybe he's just being a complete idgit, because I can definitely still see Ika as le cult.

I think we lynch Spiffeh, ML on Ika, Ika (if town) shoots Adenine.

But I'm positive that Cult is one of those two.

Titus, read both of my walls so you understand where I'm coming from on this.

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact that they'd get sexually violated by cultists.

[RadiantCowbells]

Cult gets majority and lynches GF as soon as they fail an invest.

Plus, with confirmed claims on the cult side they'd be able to figure out GF pretty soon and lynch them.