Mini 1748: ClownTardis Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Not_Mafia]

Everyone's doing all of this RVS, and I say, no more!

I'll do some Who-themed RQS:

Favourite alien race?
Favourite Master?
Favourite episode?

Y u do dis?

I read The Doctor (capitalized) as a Doctor Who reference, not a mafia role reference.

Yo Plot - I want your hydra partner to read this exchange and tell me how I should respond to it.

Pussy. Respond to it yourself.

Worthless posts designed to look town.

"Not quite random" vote on a player who hasn't posted yet.

VOTE: Persivul

This post is terrible

VOTE: Rob

[Not_Mafia]

Hello!

[Not_Mafia]

Not_Mafia replaces MormonCoffee. Please welcome him!

I like the cut of his jib. Plus, his name must be indicative of his alignment in this game.

He seems like someone I can trust.

This guy knows what's going on

[Not_Mafia]

Will catch up tomorrow

[Not_Mafia]

Also please don't patronise me. I don't find it funny or clever.

-t

If it helps, your argument is stupid

[Not_Mafia]

OKay I've read up to page 10 and skimmed the law half dozen pages, I'll try and properly catch up over the next week.

Antagonistic and unhelpful is Persivul town meta

Just realised Adaptive Heap is talah and mastin neither of these should be making such poor arguments

FA_Q2's ISO is lackluster overall, I especially dislike this wagon hop

Because he was using bad meta?

So what? He was town reading you from it. If you're town and you know it's really a null tell, why bother pointing that out? How does that advance this game?

I can either point it out now, or he can dig through my meta later and figure that out. Same result, but in the latter option, he's wasting time he could be using finding scum.

False dichotomy. You could have just let it go.

You can literally see in the post above yours how it helped him form reads. Why would I want to not help other players in forming their reads?

These posts reek of scum trying too hard to appear helpful.

This is a really bad push all around. He gave information - something that is always good as town. I have seen nothing that I would remotely consider townie from you yet. Your 'case' against rob is really stretching at this point.
VOTE: Persivul

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

[Not_Mafia]

I was asking why you made the comment about Not_Mafia's username in the first place.

Also please don't patronise me. I don't find it funny or clever.

-t

And again, I'm not sure how it helps you determine anyone's alignment.

Were you hoping for a pingback from Not_Mafia? You got one. How did you read it?

-t

[Not_Mafia]

Yes, for them at least

[Not_Mafia]

No

[Not_Mafia]

I think he's town independent of the claim, claim doesn't really give me any reason to doubt that

[Not_Mafia]

SKs are rare, FBI agents are probably more common in set-ups with no SK as they are in set-ups with an SK, it has more utility as a named townie than as an SK deterrent since SKs already have enough to contend with. It's easily fakeable and has the wtf quality that makes people townread it, overall the risk is worth it, especially if you're run up on d1.

[Not_Mafia]

The talah/mastin hhydra attacked a player for making a fluff post in RVS

[Not_Mafia]

Also, who do you plan to jailkeep tonight?

[Not_Mafia]

Can you pretend to have fallen for it just to satisfy me?

[Not_Mafia]

Thanks

Okay real talk. look at this sequence of posts

Not_Mafia replaces MormonCoffee. Please welcome him!

I like the cut of his jib. Plus, his name must be indicative of his alignment in this game.

He seems like someone I can trust.

Alright, Champ. Here's your homework assignment. Spend two hours (or however long it takes) reading this until you realize why I might joke about taking a character and believing they're innocent based on their username. You don't have to laugh. You don't have to agree that it's funny. You just have to understand it.

Why did you make the comment?
It doesn't help you read anyone.

Not_Mafia replaces MormonCoffee. Please welcome him!

I like the cut of his jib. Plus, his name must be indicative of his alignment in this game.

He seems like someone I can trust.

Alright, Champ. Here's your homework assignment. Spend two hours (or however long it takes) reading this until you realize why I might joke about taking a character and believing they're innocent based on their username. You don't have to laugh. You don't have to agree that it's funny. You just have to understand it.

Why did you make the comment?
It doesn't help you read anyone.

Well you were causing such a fuss with me making a joke about Not_Mafia's username, so I wanted to point out how silly your argument was/is.

And it hasn't been two hours so I know you haven't done your homework.

I was asking why you made the comment about Not_Mafia's username in the first place.

Also please don't patronise me. I don't find it funny or clever.

-t

Yeah. You know what? I'm not answering that question. Because I practically already answered that question. If you can't put a two piece puzzle together, I can't help you out.

And again, I'm not sure how it helps you determine anyone's alignment.

Were you hoping for a pingback from Not_Mafia? You got one. How did you read it?

-t

Well now that I got it, I'm ecstatic. We're thinking of adopting a baby boy and naming him Milo.

</sarcasm> I made a joke. Wasn't looking for a huge response. Take a page out of Frozen Angel's book and let it go.

[Not_Mafia]

Frozen Angel seems to be flailing here

[Not_Mafia]

Frozen Angel seems to be flailing here

talk to me why jailkeeper?

What does it matter?

[Not_Mafia]

Frozen Angel seems to be flailing here

talk to me why jailkeeper?

What does it matter?

You could have gone for more mafia/sk liked roles? maybe vig? why you chose a protective role?

A) Why would a vig out his target?
B) Again, what dies it matter I chose a protective role?

[Not_Mafia]

I can go for Soren I guess VOTE: Soren

[Not_Mafia]

Much like Pers, this is standard behaviour for RC

[Not_Mafia]

No you were right the first time.

Here is one example of RC's

confidence

, you can likely find people complaining or bickering in any RC postgame
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1600

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Rob13

[Not_Mafia]

Time to consolidate on 2 wagons, Rob and Rob

[Not_Mafia]

That's bad hair I had not previously attributed to Donald Trump

[Not_Mafia]

On second thought Rob's whole Pers/Dav thinmg seems pointless as scu

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Soren

[Not_Mafia]

-_-

[Not_Mafia]

Boourns at that flips

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

[Not_Mafia]

Who's likely to do a "this won't point to anyone" style kill

[Not_Mafia]

That was meant to be a question

[Not_Mafia]

Wagon ho!

[Not_Mafia]

That post was meant to be a question, I'm not voting AH for the NK

[Not_Mafia]

I was never asked why I asked the question, so I didn't say.

Checking the FAQ slot is weird because it was such a null slot. I wouldn't have thought anyone would investigate there. If he hadn't read the game, that explains it, although I don't really get why someone wouldn't attempt to catch up overnight if they had to make an action decision.

My scumread wains on Rob and then he makes posts like these that make me wince

[Not_Mafia]

What I'm actually waiting for is Not_Mafia to explain his naked vote

I'd like to give you a better answer, but it's because I felt like it

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

I want to lynch either adpative heap or kuroi today.

VOTE: Adaptive Heap

Best two reasons given for voting town, ever.

@Not_Mafia

, I stumbled across a game (Open 557: Deck of Stacks) where you replaced me as town a while back when I was looking for something else.

I can't figure out how to link an ISO without breaking the URL, and since there are only a dozen or so posts, here they are.
Your posting there was sparse, but it was helpful. Why aren't you scumhunting or reading this game?

Spoiler:

Egopost. Will start reading in an hour or so. According to #858 beast has a guilty on me, looking at the set up this is not possible.

Probably already been addressed but by not possible I mean it isn't even possible for him to have a pseudo guilty on me where we could both be town

Read up to page 6, Seeing Beast/Saki hydra/? currently. tn would be occupying the ? slot if I hadn't seen the flips in the OP

@Crash Text Dummie

TN has been town reading Katen all day long. He tried to hammer without a claim. If that's not a scum claim, I don't know what is. It's survivalistic to the max.

I've seen this weird bit of hammer etiquette come up with increasing frequency lately, from players both old and new, and I have a couple of questions about it, namely:

1. Who came up with it?
2. What's the purpose of it?
3. Can we please stop doing it?

The rules of conduct when it came to claiming under duress used to be very straight forward: If you were put at L-1, you were expected to claim. If your very next post didn't contain a full claim, you were lynched. Simple, effective. Things got only slightly more complicated when people decided that refusing to claim certain roles (VT, doc) is strategically viable. Most of the time, you were hammered anyway.

This "intent to hammer" business adds an additional step to the proceedings that, as far as I can tell, serves no other purpose than to give scum more time to come up with a fake claim. As much as we all hate to do it, claiming truthfully as town is one of the simplest things to do in a game of mafia and takes no time at all. On the other hand, coming up with a compelling fake claim is one of the hardest and nerve-wracking exercises for scum. Giving them a grace period between L-1 and someone claiming intent to hammer affords them the time to put more thought into it, discuss it in the scum QT, etc: L-1 -> start thinking about fake claim, "intent to hammer" -> place fake claim.

Refusal to claim used to be a decent scum tell. It's strictly more beneficial for scum not to claim than it is for town because it eliminates the risk of being contradicted. Failure to acknowledge that you are at L-1 used to be a

very

strong scum tell. The current situation is confusing and a hindrance to scumhunting. People who believe in announcing intent accuse those who don't of premature hammers and claims. Those who don't believe in announcing intent accuse those who do of refusing to claim and failing to acknowledge that they're at L-1. Since this is apparently a matter of two different believe systems, neither camp is wrong and neither camp is correct and actual scum manages to fall through the cracks.

Could someone please give me a compelling reason why announcing intent to hammer instead of just hammering when someone fails to claim is beneficial for town? Or better yet, could we just stop doing it?

Reconcile these please

Yeah, you're right, never mind CTD

I'm caught up (I skimmed a lot of the walls admittedly).

Still thinking Beast/Katengecchi/?

I'll look at Beast in isolation for the last person but I don't think it's SeeEmpty as I don't think they've been cross bussing all game.

Thinking katengecchi for generic scumminess day 1 and lurking and being WIFOM'd out of suspicion day 2. Plus how Beast has continually pushed the counter wagons to Kat. And Kat's flip flop on my slot despite believing my predecessor townslipped and with beast being the optimal lynch set up wise.

I can go through and flesh out a case on beast if people need me to but it looks like he's the lynch anyway and I'd rather focus on looking at associative stuff

And Kat's flip flop on my slot despite believing my predecessor townslipped and with beast being the optimal lynch set up wise.

You seem to have missed the part where I was townreading both your slot AND beast - naturally, when the 1v1 happened one of my reads had to be wrong, and, in the end, my townread on beast was greater than yours

-Koromo

There's a difference between townreading someone and believing they townslipped. And if if you were townreading us both, why are you advocating the lynch that can lose us the game in the night?

Justin explained the situation in post #819. For outcome:

1. Lynch scum Talah - best: 4T:1S, worst 3T:2S.
2. Mislynch Talah - best: 3T:2S, worst 3T:3S.
3. Mislynch Beast - 3T:2S.
4. Lynch scum Beast - best: 4T:1S, worst 3T:2S.

So, a mislynch Talah will most probably lose the game for us, while a mislynch Beast is at worst a MYLO.

Not_Mafia's catchup is a scum catchup. I don't get the impression he was actually thinking critically about anything and the way he's

conveniently scumreading the leading wagon,

and not making a case in favor of "it looks like he'll be lynched anyway" as opposed to explaining his read, is very scum motivated.

The leading wagon is faking a guilty on me, so how could he be anything but conf. scum in my eyes?

Vig Katen

VOTE: Seeempty

Beast flipping Traitor makes think him over the Katen slot. Still wary of it though, will ISO JP later

Yeah I've been scum with Justin and I see the same kind of distancing early on in his ISO he did with me

Prodded. I'll answer all this later when I'm not half asleep

VOTE: Muffin

Okay, I do think scum is within Seeempty/muffin with the way Justin tried to push through the Katen lynch.

BE's iso is terrible and this whole "Why won't you self vote" when Seeempty doesn't have confirmation that Muffin is people's 2nd choice just feels like theatre

-t

Yes I used to be better at this game

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Davsto

[Not_Mafia]

Regardless, Enabler usually only allows people daytalk.

Hell are you on about? That's Encryptor, different role.

I've not been told specifically, but at least one player's role ability will stop working when I die; Cop, Doc, I don't know. Lynching me is an awful, anti-town thing to do, and this push on me seems awfully suspicious, because for scum me dying is the best option, but they don't want to waste a nightkill on someone they can get so easily mislynched due to tunneling town.

This may be the most scummy I've ever read

[Not_Mafia]

Let's all promise to lynch Adaptive if Davsto flips town

[Not_Mafia]

If there isn't scum in Davsto/Rob/Adaptive I'll be slightly disappointed for a brief moment and then move on with my life

[Not_Mafia]

What is this vague nonsense please?

No I have no handicap or restriction

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Soren

Wynaut

[Not_Mafia]

I roleblocked Kuroi last night, I'm a joat

[Not_Mafia]

Soren is two letters away from (That's) so Raven

[Not_Mafia]

I'm JOAT, I have a cop shot, a roleblock and a watch shot.

N1 I copped Shiro
N2 I roleblocked Kuroi
N3 I watched Rob but my result said no one visited him

[Not_Mafia]

That's like, a bad vote, or whatever

[Not_Mafia]

My claim is terrible, I wouldn't make it as scum

[Not_Mafia]

Guys, given that Dav's role PM confirms a 2-man scum team (and probably 10-2-1 game), Kuroi can't be scum (since not_maf claimed the block, but a kill still went through). He could be the SK, though.

Unless I'm missing something, he can be either/or still?

[Not_Mafia]

It was a hard result

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Not_Mafia]

Bored!

VOTE: Aristo

[Not_Mafia]

You can't vote when you've been hammered

[Not_Mafia]

Unless you are claiming doublevoter.

[Not_Mafia]

Why would there be a vanilla cop in a role madness game?

[Not_Mafia]

Fucking magnets, how do they work?

[Not_Mafia]

I blocked plotting kittens last noght

[Not_Mafia]

What did you do on night 4?

--P

I copped Aeronaut

And I don't trust my role block 100%, because a) role madness and b) I was told no one visited rob the night he died

VOTE: NL

[Not_Mafia]

Yes I have to use each of my abilities before they can be reused they don't have to be in that particular order, that's just coincidence

[Not_Mafia]

Pordge

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: No Lynch

[Not_Mafia]

I was the only one to visit Plottin Kittehs

[Not_Mafia]

The game will end in a tie if all teams intentionally choose not to lynch/kill twice in a row.

If scum submit a kill that fails, will that count towards this rule?

[Not_Mafia]

Incorrect