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In post 18, TheLoneWolf wrote:The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC
fuck you too
In post 20, Tails wrote:Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.
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In post 21, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 20, Tails wrote:Trollie is a 2012 account with modding experience. There's no way he doesn't know what pre-game talk is. Lone Wolf is probably his partner. If he did have meta with Trollie, I would expect him just to let RC know, not let him know and then vote him. Sounds like someone's getting a little too protective.
literally 100% same thoughts as I had.
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In post 53, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 14, Aneninen wrote:If that should confirm anything at all, it's that Trollie has NO access to any pre-game talks.
^^^
Still troubled with this....
Keya Sedona, pls explain?
In post 57, camn wrote:Gods I am hungover.
I will just assume for now that these 3 pages are totally irrelevant nonsense...but I will read them in a bit. After coffee.
A couple thoughts... This map-mechanic.
I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my head it might be worthwhile to stage an early massclaim of what the map does for us. To help whoever HAS the map decide on where to PUT the map.
Don't get crazy yet... I haven't really considered the ifs.
Anyway..I'll be back
The post just before this one (which was too long so i decided not to quote it) is where I realized i DO ACTUALLY know what pre-game talk is. I'm so much smarter than I give myself credit for
In post 103, RadiantCowbells wrote:x t f 1 2 9 6 y 0 M
Right back at ya!
The hell is a vote count? Reck stop doing your job and do your job!
I don't want to vote anyone right now before I see a vote count but...
RC is town
Tails is probtown
EE & Aero could easily be scum
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In post 167, RadiantCowbells wrote:Camn pls.
Is this for me? I'll talk about Camn whether it is or not:
I am going to say that I read Camn as town, but I can see some scumplay about his/her (ill check after i post this and note for next time) play, I just don't think its actually coming from scum motives. That may change as I get a better read. Keeping an eye out.
In post 98, camn wrote:In post 96, Aneninen wrote:That's a very bad idea.
Also, I can tell everyone one thing about this topic: I don't need that Map at all.
First off...itmightbe a bad idea. Actual townies will decide that, not you. But if you really think so.. you shouldn't be talking about the details.
Secondly, sometimes scum lie.
In post 1, xRECKONERx wrote:3) Every role in the game has a special ability or modifier that activates if they have the Map.
Now, I absolutely donotwant anyone coming in here saying what the map gets them...OR saying it doesn't get them anything. Yet. So stuff it. But note the inconsistency above.
camn, 2 things:
(1) Noted, but there is not actually an inconsistency there.
(2) please tell me what the utility/meaning of "Now," was in that post. And yes I am serious. I am not sure what you meant.-
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Does this mean I'm not gonna get an actual answer from you on why you are voting SS?-
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In post 175, camn wrote:Huh. I just clicked Trollies GTKAS link and God a "not authorized to view this forum". Weird.
Anyway...this has been a lot of talk.
I see a few little questions for me- mostly they are not worth getting into right now... But I'll hit them later.
Trollies reenterence is scummy as fuck. It's crazy...but more later.
Also Amihan seems very confused about things.
Let's get after that:
Trollie-
" now" is just a turn of the phrase in American English. Like "listen,-" , "look,-" , or "but seriously,-"
That answered.... Please explain your first post to Amihan. What happened there? Why did you post that, and then where did you disappear to? Where did you hear about "pregame talk" . break it down, cuz its been a major item here while you have been away.
More soon.
Re: Before - i'm not sure what post to Amihan ur talkin bout. i didnt disappear. go read the first three posts of this game and you will discover the answer to your following question
Re: Now - ok cool. I didn't know if you were using it in the temporal sense. SO, that being the case...that you were saying it in a transitional sense...what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?
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In post 178, Amihan wrote:I already did, subtle positioning. I thought you wanted more.
no im just lazy, can you tell me which post I can find it in?-
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nvm i see it. unfortunately i dont know i think its very good so ill need to look him over myself-
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In post 185, camn wrote:PS Trollie...I read the first 3 posts again...all of which were by reckoner. Explained nothing.
then you do not understand your own question
Also...it's not really the time to talk about claiming. That ship has sailed and we will come back around to it LATER. maybe
I'm not asking to talk about claiming, Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"-
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In post 57, camn wrote:Gods I am hungover.
I will just assume for now that these 3 pages are totally irrelevant nonsense...but I will read them in a bit. After coffee.
A couple thoughts... This map-mechanic.
I haven't thought it through yet.... But it is kicking around in my headit might be worthwhile to stage an early massclaim of what the map does for us.To help whoever HAS the map decide on where to PUT the map.
Don't get crazy yet... I haven't really considered the ifs.
Anyway..I'll be back
can you stop with the bullshit though b/c i actually still think you are town but you are doing a HORRIBLE job at being helpful-
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idk...maybe you are scum actually but I need u to get off me and start talking about other people so I can figure it out
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In post 193, camn wrote:No, trollie- we are not getting off of you. We are hanging you.
First things first- lets come back to your first post. Why did you write it? Why wont you explain it? The people who called you out on it- you call them town. This implies you KNOW that it was scummy. So explain. In plain words.
Second- this attack of yours..Im going to show the town how you made it up. You are trying to pull a crapcase out of thin air, because you are scum and you are scared to try a nightkill on me.
In post 179, TheTrollie wrote:what made you change your mind against the massclaim which was, in fact, something YOU threw out there?In post 188, TheTrollie wrote:Im asking WHY, WHEN, and HOW you changed your mind from "hey guys maybe we should mass-map-claim" to "NO WE DEF DONT WANT TO KNOW THAT SHIT"
So- I never changed my mind. I am clear about this. I, at ALL TIMES, think/thought it is worth discussing. I, AT NO TIME, am saying we should do it immediately. This is plain as day. This may be subtle- but I dont think so.
As you can see above- my veiw has certainly not changed. Now the idea that Trollie is floating that it HAS- its a crapcase, pure and simple. There is no way to read my posts any other way.Spoiler: Let >ME< be the one to bold for emphasis:
That, combined with Trollies TOTAL LACK of anything redeeming coming into this game puts him squarely scum.
You guys- I wanna see a Trollie wagon again. He wasnt here for the first one. Lets do it again. Maybe he will vanish again, though.
Keyser- after Cowbells look at Trollie.
ugh yall are so annoying
camn im ignoring you now because i think you are town and paying attention to you is making me angry
I dont like the RC wagon. I think those arguments are bad and I think, actually, that you just strengthened my town read on Tyco RC-
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oh i forgot i quoted that post...i was gonna get in it but we're too fragile to start another fight-
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In post 218, Tails wrote:In post 169, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 33, Tails wrote:Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.
That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience
I see how it is.
@Trollie: Tell me what your thoughts are on Lone Wolf's protection of you, because you seemed to have conveniently avoided that.
lone wolf is protecting me?-
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In post 18, TheLoneWolf wrote:The Trollie I know doesn't think that fast RC
In post 25, TheLoneWolf wrote:Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.
I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.
In post 28, TheLoneWolf wrote:shits and giggles
In post 29, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 26, Tails wrote:And I'm sure his getting an extra vote to put him in the lead had nothing to do with it...
I don't know what you're trying to say here.
In post 169, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 33, Tails wrote:Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.
That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience
In post 170, TheLoneWolf wrote:Vigilante target #1: SnarkySnowman
In post 171, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 50, Aneninen wrote:In post 48, SnarkySnowman wrote:VOTE: Amihan
Pretty much everyone who claims town in the first two pages turns out to be scum, in my experience.
I have no observation like that, but this is the page top of the THIRD page, so NOW I can say that I'm town.
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Amihan and Aneninen confirmed not scum together, remember this future self.
this checks out.
In post 222, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 215, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 25, TheLoneWolf wrote:Tails I think you've been buddied by scum a bit too easily.
I was about to let RC have a pass and just let him know, but him calling the Tails wagon suspect so early pinged my gut.
@TheLoneWolf - what's your current read on RadiantCowbells?
Can't really penetrate his motives at the moment, but I'd be fine if that was a real wagon that took off.
aka leaning scum
In post 218, Tails wrote:In post 169, TheLoneWolf wrote:In post 33, Tails wrote:Because Camn's is RVS. Lone Wolf's is not. He went for the larger potential wagon that could protect Trollie.
That's a bit of stretch to be making but it could just be due to your inexperience
I see how it is.
@Trollie: Tell me what your thoughts are on Lone Wolf's protection of you, because you seemed to have conveniently avoided that.
i just quoted the whole ISO and I dont think he protects me once-
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In post 213, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 193, camn wrote:after Cowbells look at Trollie.
TheTrollie
In post 6, TheTrollie wrote:the fuck is pre-game talk?
We've gone over this one post a hundred times. I would categorize it under "WTF" given TheTrollie's join date.
2 unexplained town-reads of Tails and RadiantCowbells (post 166).
In post 166, TheTrollie wrote:RC is town
Tails is probtown
EE & Aero could easily be scum
Suspicious of Snarky and Amihan
Show me how you got to these reads. You've just got into the game but still managed to rattle off more reads than anyone else
In post 168, TheTrollie wrote:I am going to say that I read Camn as town, but I can see some scumplay about his/her (ill check after i post this and note for next time) play, I just don't think its actually coming from scum motives. That may change as I get a better read. Keeping an eye out.
This is a fence-sit, but in this case not scum-indicative as TheTrollie is still in the process of catching up. I.e his position on camn will be weak/incomplete.
In post 177, TheTrollie wrote:
Does this mean I'm not gonna getan actual answerfrom you on why you are voting SS?
...and how about an explanation on your reads (post 166)
In post 191, TheTrollie wrote:idk...maybe you are scum actually butI need u to get off meand start talking about other people so I can figure it out
so go do that
TheTrollie wants breathing space - null (as stated above TheTrollie is still in catch-up mode).
The flip...
In post 191, TheTrollie wrote:idk...maybe you are scum actually
The flop...
In post 198, TheTrollie wrote:camn im ignoring you now because i think you are town
OK -I need TheTrollie to fully catch-up so I can gauge the sincerity of his reads - WITH REASONS(they feel vapour thin atm).
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goddamnit...why do i always forget i quoted shit-
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In post 239, TheLoneWolf wrote:Like I see what you're trying to get at it, and I know I'm biased because I have my role pm but- there's connecting dots that aren't there (Look he's scum with Trollie by defending him!) and then there's stretching cases in order to get a mislynch (He's voting everyone that voted Trollie! Patterns!)
The latter is more forced and less reasonable. I mean its been a few years but do people really think scum act that way with their buddies?
UNVOTE: WOLF
whaaaa?
In post 242, TheLoneWolf wrote:Let me show the real version of my thought process:
Yes I'm voting people who have voted Trolliel, currently camn, because I think he's in his careless town state of mind. I believe this is being exploited by ambitious scum.
Tails vote is basically RVS with me ignoring the so called "Trollie slip" since I thought it was a town slip.
Explained RC vote.
camn's push on Trollie feels off, mostly because I'd expect other competent town players to be reading Trollie the same as myself.
Camn is town. That is a bad wagon.
Now that you've made it impossible for me to not read your ISO as you defending me, I need more info. sounds like there is a lot of it, but you can start with why you read me as town.-
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i changed my mind. I don't need you to explain anything.
I <3 u just the way you are-
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anemin is different than aero right?
I wanna vote aero-
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Let's get one thing straight because it is important
In post 292, Aeronaut wrote:
TheTrollie:
* Weird Unexplained townread on RC, which also makes zero sense with his Tails townread.
This was explained. the first was the unabashed sheeping he was doing on tails. The second was another interaction with *i thought* tails but now I cannot find it. Actually I might be thinking of the 2 separate times that happened, one where he immediately switched his vote to me, and the other when he said like "yeah thats 100% what i was thinkin yo"
why does it not make sense with my tails town read? I think tails is town for asking the dude to switch and Tyco is town for so unabashedly switching
* Trollie answers an entire post from camn calling him out, by saying "you're annoying!" and ignoring the rest.
that post was 100% tunnelvision and confirmation bias so, yes, i ignored it
* "I don't like the RC wagon because the arguments are bad"
see above
* Post 234, where Trollie posts Wolf's entire ISO and says "it checks out" after being asked about his thoughts on Wolf. This is a weird-ass interaction
this is a misrepresentation of what I did. I posted the entire ISO to show that he was not defending me, then I realized he was defending me a bit. BUT, what I said checks out was the SPECIFIC post in the ISO that i wrote "this checks out" under. "This checks out" was written in the MIDDLE of the ISO, look again. What checked out was the interaction he was pointing out, and i can explain why later if you quote that interaction because I'm not wasting more of my time by going to find it. I already woke up late today.
* General unwillingless to give detailed comments about really anything; strange reactions with no real motivations in general.
hows that for detailed.
Now I would like to fucking vote someone at some point in this game but yall need to get off my ass so i dont feel like i need to prevent this horrible wagon on me in order to do so.-
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In post 327, Venmar wrote:
@EVERYONE- I have had access to a Night 0 Census. I have been told that there are8Town Win Cons in the game and5non-town win conditions.
go fuck yourself Reck-
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In post 338, Aneninen wrote:Oh, it's L–1.
Okay.
I'm Neighbour with someone.
If I got the Map I could learn the alignment of my Neighbour.
But, we did a little trick. We tried to post our Map condition at the same time. I was slow because I was from mobile. My Neighbour posted it first.
So, unless the scum-PR contains a fake for the Map condition, my Neighbour is town.
In post 343, Venmar wrote:If you die we won't know who your neighbor is cause you didn't say who it is smart guy
In post 349, Aneninen wrote:Someone slipped that happy scumday. It did not appeared here. It must have appeared elsewhere. Time zones. Just an idea.
the fuck do all of these mean??????-
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I fucked up. I thought Camn was town.
Camn is scum. Camn & partner were told my role in their results last night and now I need a protective role on me tonight.-
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EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SOMEONE UNVOTE AERO RIGHT NOW
I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK IF THERE IS A CLAIMED GUILTY ON HIM.
WE HAVE 2 SEPARATE CLAIMS AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THEM BEFORE WE LYNCH ONE OF THEM ON PAGE 2 OF THE DAY WITHOUT EVERYONE WEIGHING IN.
I AM 90% DEAD TONIGHT UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER PROTECTIVE ROLE IN THE GAME SO WE ALL NEED TO STOP THIS QUICKLYNCH RIGHT THE FUCK NOW ANDTALK ABOUT SHIT-
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let me make sure someone sees that
SOMEONE UNVOTE AERO
EVEN IF HES SCUM WE ARE NOT MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THIS OUT-
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i dont have time today for this. literally can consider mev/la until tomorrow
so fix this and in case you fools fuck this up what I can say right now is that I have an investigative role and if I investigate certain scum, two members of the scum team are told my role and identity.
I got a guilty on camn and was told that he and one of his scum partners now know my role and identity.
I investigated camn BECAUSE i had a town read on him, so I thought I would enter the day with conftown and no one knowing my role
I was wrong.
NOW, I do not want to run camn up, because apparently there is another guilty result.
but get aero off of L-1-
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Ok, just this and then i HAVE TO GET OFF FOR THE DAY.
In post 379, RadiantCowbells wrote:You can stop pretending that I'm fakeclaiming this guilty and start dying.
Honestly, I am 50/50 on this being a fakeclaim. RC brings up fakeclaiming first. Also note that if scum, RC probably knows I'm about to come in here and claim a result on Camn. I think that would be a really really big gambit but It's possible. More likely this is real or a totally fake claim, but I'm not sure why he wouldnt be letting up then when i have CONFIRMED SCUM and not CONFIRMED NOT TOWN.
In post 380, Aeronaut wrote:VOTE: RC
Yea, you don't have a guilty, because
A) My role PM is town
and
B) Why ask me to claim if you really had a guilty on me in the first place? Piss off.
This sounds pretty good to me honestly. Aero is, in general, doing a good job with this whether hes pulling out of his ass or not.anyone have experience with aero under the gun?
In post 389, TheLoneWolf wrote:I know we have more protective roles so I'll take jailkeeper on me.
Thanks in advance you won't regret it
how does he know and why jailkeeper. this is sketchy as fuck. That being said, I need a protective role on me as scum knows my actual role and ID. I would obviously rather no jailkeeper but itll do.
In post 407, Aeronaut wrote:Ok, here's something else that doesn't make sense to me, RC.
You've been spending your time concerning yourself with whether you think I'm a third party or a group scum; you keep saying that you'd rather lynch group scum. Even that if I had rolled a 3P role, you would consider not lynching me quite yet. Fine, fair.
But then, Trollie comes in hereconfirming Camn as group scum. Why on earth wouldn't you take that lynch over me, if you really were doing what you said you were doing?
YES. what i said above. (note, im not defending Aero, i just want us to NOT QUICKLYNCH TODAY)
In post 413, Aeronaut wrote:In post 412, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have a guilty on you.
You can play 'pretend that RC is just fakeclaiming' all you want but I have a guilty on you.
I don't understand why you think that you're worming your way out of this.
See, here's the thing though;
You don't.
It's impossible.
So you're either scum, or just really, really arrogant town who thinks they can fake that sort of shit. And I really, really hate it when people do that, so if you're town I'm going to lose my shit in postgame.
again, i think this is really good.
In post 416, camn wrote:Not sure what I am reading here... Two Cop claims? Seems like a lot of cops. But I'm with Cowbells on this...
VOTE: Aeronaut
UGH, DUHHHH, since the other cop is claiming you scum.
In post 417, camn wrote:Also, trollie is incorrect about me hearing anything about him last night. My first instinct is lying scum.... But that seems too bold. Maybe busdriven?
In any event, I don't know his role.
note that (a) he doesnt say "im not scum" he says "i didnt hear anything from him last night" (b) who the fuck cares if he heard anythign or not, doesnt change my guilty result
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In post 468, camn wrote:Ha ha- I will actually counterclaim AeronautON FLAVOR.
>I< Am Leia Organa.
Dont believe me? I wrote it in my first post.
Spoiler: bolded for emphasis
He is no jedi.
New theory, they are both scum, and organa was given to both scum factions as a safe claim
Camn is confirmed either SNOKE or KYLO REN from my results last night-
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In post 487, Venmar wrote:In post 484, RadiantCowbells wrote:No. Fuck off venmar.
We are lynching Aeronaut today; no questions.
Now fuck you too buddy, how about you give me a reason to believe you before you act like I should take you for granted
Yes.
I have confscum result we Lynch that before sk
In post 500, camn wrote:In post 485, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:not sure I like the whole leia pre-claim thing, though. :/
What don't you like about it?
The fact that I am Leia from post #1, but Aeronaut just thought it up a second ago?
The fact that aero is 3pm and had the Leigh claim
The fact that camn crumbled in such a redic convoluted way
Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later
Camn is 100% scum. 100% snoke or ren. I'd like either of those gone before night phase-
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In post 571, camn wrote:In post 565, TheTrollie wrote:Let me let u in on a little secret: no one hides a role name in their first post unless they are worried about having to claim later
Ha ha.
I'm glad to be let in on such a profound secret.
It turns out every player in every game might need to claim later.
I'm actually suspicious of anyone who DOESN'T crumb!
It's because they want to be able and FAKE claim later.
Anyway, I won't bore you with a history lesson... But crumbing is a thing. It is not really alignment indicitave, but it reflects either truth, or a commitment to a fake claim.
And mine was not actually very convoluted at all. It was simple and obvious, which is fine cuz its just flavor.
+1 on replacement.
If I were scum, I would have killed him last night.
(a) there is NO WAY that camn works in this convenient crumb without it being so that he can safe claim it later. There are clearly safe claims that anti-town factions have and we have confirmation that anti-town players from 2 separate groups (most likely) are both claiming the same role.
(b) Camn says that if he didn't crumb it'd be suspicious because he would have the opportunity to FAKE CLAIM later. in a scenario where claiming LEIA would not have been beneficial to camn, she could would have been able to claim something else. NO ONE HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE "OMG but the first letter of each of the words of your first post spell ORGANA, OMG I CAUGHT YOU"
In post 569, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 479, TheTrollie wrote:Camn is confirmed either SNOKE or KYLO REN from my results last night
To confirm:
How do you know the scum-flavours/role?
Is this speculation or is this from your role pm/investigations?
Can you paraphrase the "results".
This is not speculation, it is inherent to my role/results. I have intel based on the mechanics of my role, and my results last night that Camn can only be one of those two.
I am not saying I trust Aero but since I know for a damn fact that Camn is one of the two most likely most powerful scum PRs that is where the lynch NEEDS to be today.-
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We should probably figure out who Camn's buddy is and have Aero shoot them.
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In post 580, Gorkington wrote:^thats the most questionable post ive read so far.
and ive read one page.
I agree
In post 581, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 580, Gorkington wrote:^thats the most questionable post ive read so far.
and ive read one page.
Really?
In post 579, TheLoneWolf wrote:Normally this would be the best time to go the blood for the blood god route but given Aero's reaction to RC's play he can't be trusted to act sensibly toward his win con.
Less kills, more townies alive, etc.
I wanted to lynch group-scum today but this is an excellent point, we could narrow down the NK's to a single kill.
Let's keep Aeronaut away from L-1 for now though. SnarkySnowman keeps promising his thoughts then disappears. Venmar too, when he re-appeared he was shot down by RadiantCowbells.
(1) less kills more townies alive is not completely true, he could target scum.
(2)KYLO RENandSUPREME EMPEROR SNOKEare very likely to be the most powerful Scum Power Roles.-
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dude protective role is gonna be on me tonight so u can chill-
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In post 596, Aeronaut wrote:In post 578, TheTrollie wrote:We should probably figure out who Camn's buddy is and have Aero shoot them.
Has Aero flavor claimed yet?
I don't understand why I can't just shoot Camn?
It's like cheetory is trying to break my heart :c
what? because we are lynching camn-
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In post 605, Gorkington wrote:you think lyncher and SK and traitor in a 13 player game?
im gonna die tonight you assholes
lynch Camn tomorrow you fucking idiots-
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RC is sketchy for being so sure of himself
venmar is town i think, but anyone on the aero wagon should be a prime suspect for camn's scumbuddy-
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oh yeah i guess ur right. well then i hope im alive to see tomorrow-
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i cannot stand Tyco RC right now.
Has not made any sense at all since the beginning of this dayphase-
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we can lynch aero so i can stay alive till tomorrow if everyone is happy to do that?-
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In post 696, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 695, Gorkington wrote:also hold up, was rc fakeclaiming a guilty on aero or what?
am i missing something?
RadiantCowbells' first claim (cop-type):
In post 373, RadiantCowbells wrote:well you're not town so you're either scum or 3p.
RadiantCowbells' final claim (tracker):
In post 545, RadiantCowbells wrote:Nope, you killed Tails.In post 495, RadiantCowbells wrote:No, I'm saying that I tracked you to the dead guy.
And you claimed a non visiting role.
good point
In post 703, TheLoneWolf wrote:Venmar is pretty town because of the census ability and his play surrounding that.
I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.
this is really not good "I'm town for reasons stated by the dead" is not a town way to argue you are town.
In post 720, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 706, camn wrote:I think that it is much more likely Trollie is misinformed.
As I have mentioned, I think this is a complicated setup, and I don't think that follow-the-cop is the way to play it.
Part of the reason I keep pointing out the possibility of simple misinformation is to avoid a reflexive Trollie lynch after my flip.
These points interest me.
However, there is a strong reliance of there being a scum-miss-information power role.
Would xRECKONERx weaken our cop even more (even though we are already up against 5 scum) with an added miss-information PR? The mod has already confirmed there is no bastard element.
May I remind you all that we already had a MILLER flip - MILLER + Cop investigates guilty, cop's ID gets reported to scum faction is a pretty damn weak investigative cohort in the game.-
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In post 724, Keyser Söze wrote:UNVOTE: camn
I want to hear more about TheTrollie's character.
Character claim please.
I've really liked Key but this is just blatent fishing.
I've already told you shitloads more than I wanted to about my role.-
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Really wanted to re-read today and the intention still is to do so. but in doing that I realized something STINKS about the RC/AERO interaction today.
Side Note: before I get into this, I just want to say that the next thing on my list is looking at Camn, Aero, and RC interactions on Day 1 because oddly, THEY ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT ONE ANOTHER ALL THE TIME on Day 1
Ok, so to this terrible RC claim:
Spoiler: After figuring out what Amman’s flip means, RC Asks Aero to claim
Spoiler: But then he says, nvm, it doesn’t matter what Aero claims because Aero must be either scum or 3p, and then places a vote
Spoiler: his claim was that he got a result that said that Aero was not town - who cares about the claim, he needs to be lynched anyway in this case
Spoiler: Aero points out that the first post, demanding a claim from Aero prior to saying any results, doesn’t really make sense if RC has a guilty result
Spoiler: Then Aero claims Beloved Princess, and RC says, “you might want to change that”
Spoiler: RC says the reason he’s asking Aero to change his claim is because he’s not a cop but that his result confirms Aero is scum given the Beloved Princess claim
Spoiler: reason is he tracked Aero to Tails
Spoiler: people, including aero, ask RC why he isn’t even considering my result/voting camn, his response is that he has a confirmed guilty
Spoiler: aero caves in saying he’s SK, but also that he killed Amihan and not tails (though that comes pretty late after the SK claim for someone saying they want to be pro-town by admitting 3p
BUT HERE’S THE THING. If RC is a tracker who tracked Aero to Tails, and knew Aero was scum after Aero claimed Beloved Princess
Spoiler: then why did he go at daybreak from asking Aero to claim (consistent with his final claim) immediately to saying “nvm It doesn’t matter, I know Aero is either Mafia or 3p” (Inconsistent with the final claim that he knows aero is scum only because he claimed a non-visitor role)
ok so here we go:
Spoiler: RC pushes a Trollie-lyncher theory HARD, with seemingly weird assumptions about game setup
So here is my theory:
RC is a Lyncher on Aero. The claim literally doesn’t make sense - it is pieced together and wrangled to fit the back and forth.
Camn is confirmed First Order aligned (Not sure if I shared that yet, didn’t think it was as important as my knowledge of the actual character role until now). It makes sense that Amihan was First Order as well due to flavor.
Spoiler: RC only claimed a guilty on Aero after he clarified last nights results
Interesting that RC then claims he tracked Aero to Tails. I think this is a shot in the dark, figuring that scum might know their Traitor-buddy and figuring that scum Aero would not kill his own faction. Why? not sure, could be that RC knows Aero’s flavor and assumes he has a kill ability or something. It seems like most of our roles include some information about game set-up.
my proposal
Is to lynch RC today. High chance he is either 3p Lyncher or scum due to his play today. He has not been town because he is giving zero credence to my claim, only pushing a lynch on Aero. He also tries to get people off of a camn wagon for really like no reason at all, is uninterested in talking about the pros and cons of lynching SK v. confirmed powerful scum.
Tonight, Aeronaut shoots camn.
If Camn and/or buddies or Aero kill me, thats fine we lynch camn tomorrow, and DO NOT listen to wifom bullshit because my cop ability is already very weak given the existence of a miller and the fact that my role and results dictate that I targeted Snoke or Ren, and that Snoke & Ren now know my role because of that, which is a very weak investigative role and it wasn’t bus-driven or some stupid shit. Plus, I just realized that my results actually exclude the possibility of a bus driver because I was told that I targeted either snoke or Ren, otherwise they wouldn't have been told my role, which I know they were told. (to clarify, if i targeted R2D2, for example, and was bus driven to Snoke, my role dictates explicitly that R2D2 would be told my role, but Camn is claiming that he got no information about my role which means he is not town which got bussed to scum)
If Camn is dead by morning, we lynch Aero tomorrow, if camn is not dead by morning, Aero has to explain or be strung up tomorrow morning.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
That is my plan.-
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In post 382, RadiantCowbells wrote:There are 5 (5) scum and apparently only 1 (1) scum faction.
I'm in no rush to lynch 3ps that can likely win with town.
If this is your reaction though, bye.
In post 384, Aeronaut wrote:That literally answers zero parts of my question.
Why ask for my claim if you're trying to tell us you knew it anyway? That doesn't help shit and you know it.
In post 385, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't know your claim
In post 386, Aeronaut wrote:... but why would it matter to town-you ?
In post 387, RadiantCowbells wrote:Because you might be third party and not scum!
But this heavily implies that you're not.
It is confirmed to me.-
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oops, forget those quotes, those must have been left over from the long post i did before-
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I know my plan, which is to leave both guilty claims alone for the night is sorta crazy, but it is I believe the best strategy. given the number of anti-town factions and win-cons in this game.-
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not answering this stupid fucking discussion-
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an aero lynch is out of the question.
Here is lynch order
(1) RC
(2) Camn
(3) Aero
That is all-
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ok, you guys are actually right.
VOTE: camn
RC is a Lyncher or some sort of anti-town role though. Mark my words. Read my entire post and ignore the lyncher claim and you will see that his cop claim makes no sense. So a nonsense cop claim on D2, which is a cop claim until I claim cop and then becomes a tracker who tracked the SK to the WRONG VICTIM, and who randomly gets the idea that I am a lyncher and defends scum to do that...THAT IS A LYNCHER I'M CALLING IT RIGHT NOW
So Aero you should shoot RC since he is your lyncher.-
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then I die tonight,
if aero kills RC we lynch aero,
if aero doesnt kill RC, we still lynch aero, but lynch RC right after-
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In post 777, Gorkington wrote:why is rc a priority lynch in your mind if hes a lyncher?
that makes no sense.
(a) thats why i changed my vote, because I guess you guys are right and a lyncher wincon is not mutually exclusive with town (but who knows with reck)
(b) If we lynch camn, Lyncher RC doesnt win yet anyway
(c) He isn't anymore. he's now 3rd after camn, aero, RC-
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you not feeling good about me is stupid, if you dont feel good about me kill me tonight, but know that you are waisting your kill because scum needs to kill me as they know my role.-
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ugh, im so over this. can we just lynch camn
to put my entire results claim in one post:
I am an investigative role and Snoke & Ren are confirmed mafia to me. If I target snoke or ren, I get a guilty, and that person is told my rolename and power (thus, preventing any bus driver from having fucked it up, because Camn explicitly stated she got no message from the mod, which, if she were town, she could not say because I know she was sent this message).
My results indicated that (a) Camn is snoke or ren, (b) camn was told my rolename and power
Lets go people-
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So, camn's explanation was fucked up by camn herself, because she could have made a viable plea that my action was redirected IF she were like
"uhhh, i dont get why but, uhhh, for some reason i got a message about trollie last night doiiiii"-
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In post 786, Gorkington wrote:
wouldnt the hypothetical message also be redirected..?In post 784, TheTrollie wrote:So, camn's explanation was fucked up by camn herself, because she could have made a viable plea that my action was redirected IF she were like
"uhhh, i dont get why but, uhhh, for some reason i got a message about trollie last night doiiiii"
because of my role/results i know that the person i targeted last night and got a result on is the one who got the message, not hypothetically a person i was bussed to.
In post 787, Gorkington wrote:also if scum have supposedly received your role, why are you hiding it?
because there are clearly multiple scum factions and I dont want them to know-
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its within the realm of possibility that someone has a wincon specific to my role-
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