Mini 1770: College Mafia! (Game Ovah)

[kirroha]

Night Hunters wagon is a boring wagon.

Go go Jeanne wagon.

VOTE: Jeanne

[kirroha]

Hi guys I forgot I was part of this game sorry.

BlooP

[kirroha]

reads list tonight

[kirroha]

Aristophanes, I think that was my RVS vote, why should I keep it?
I will claim if I reach L-2 btw.

Why would you do that?

[kirroha]

reads when i get on laptop

[kirroha]

I said it the previous morning yeah. It's now 1.30am and now I just got back from the library and am actually gonna read the game sobs hysterically i hate college

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[kirroha]

posting as i read

Night Hunters wagon is a boring wagon.

Go go Jeanne wagon.

VOTE: Jeanne

Also, any reason you chose Jeanne over GuiltyLion?

Cos Jeanne voted me when I was mason in that one game and that made me sads

SirCakez is so town right now.

SirCakez I got that strong town feel on.

Huh. I don't get why you'd say this on page 4. I've only seen Cakey support BBT's calls for wagons, talk about names and alts at this point. I can get the BBT townread at this point not the Cakey one.

@kirroha, remember the game I replaced out of??? You asked me about RNGs and why I chose me when it landed on myself in RVS, check Newbie 1672.

What's with this? Why mention this all of a sudden? I don't like how the first post you make is pretty much an attempt to justify scummy behaviour in another game. VOTE: tojam2

Also, what the heck is with that "I will claim if I reach L-2"? I don't like that one bit. It's like you're trying to scare people away from voting for you. Explain that please.

[kirroha]

Screw it I'm a loser I'm too tired for this I'm going to bed. Maybe the rest tomorrow because the whole NH/SC/BBT thing in the middle is confusing me way too much at 2am in the morning

[kirroha]

le sigh. I posted what I could from the first four pages. Will try to catch up but life (college!) is really hectic as of late. If I cannot give this game much commitment even after tomorrow I'll sincerely apologise and replace out.

[kirroha]

tojam2 continues to look like scum with a fakeclaim ready.

[kirroha]

Meh. Did tojam actually claim? That's why I shouldn't post from my phone ugh. I miss out posts.

Yeah I know that sounds scummy as hell but gimme some time to read this game yeah?

I crumbed my role too. I do have a PR as well.

[kirroha]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Need to get myself involved in this game till I come back later.

[kirroha]

GL, if you can change your mind about a player in less than a day, it's because you're being pressured to, or you're acting it out.

Eh do you scumread GL or massive or both

[kirroha]

ISO'ing massive to figure out what's with the interest in wagoning him because that's all I have time to do atm but will promise to read more thoroughly later. Like I like this role and all but if I can't commit to this game then I'll get myself replaced with someone who can play it better.

[kirroha]

SirCakez is so town right now.

SirCakez I got that strong town feel on.

Huh. I don't get why you'd say this on page 4. I've only seen Cakey support BBT's calls for wagons, talk about names and alts at this point. I can get the BBT townread at this point not the Cakey one.

Ughhh I really don't like Firebringer because of this, but his PR soft makes me back off.

Don't feel like any of massive's posts ping me as scummy. Maybe I need to read them in context.

[kirroha]

Hmm...

188 Light push on GuiltyLion for townreading SirCakez
204 More pushing on GuiltyLion
243 Uh... suddenly liking GuiltyLion? I need to find out the context here.

The rest don't look particularly odd. I don't agree with pushing a claimed PR especially given the circumstances in which Firebringer claimed it (with the assurance that he'll be able to confirm it in time) but I think the consistency with the Firebringer vote looks fine.

But I guess with all that, all that massive looks like is just

fine

I guess. Again, need to read back to see if I'd prefer the GL or massive wagon. BBT you may have talked about it before (in which case I haven't seen it yet) but what do you think about GL and his dynamic with massive?

Honestly I feel like I really need to get

involved

with this game. Reading alone without feeling like part of it doesn't give me any thoughts or motivations to do anything, especially with a lot of schoolwork I need to do. I'm sure some of you know what that feels like. Will try my best to post as much as I can.

[kirroha]

Then we shall have a wagon.

VOTE: massive

[kirroha]

So is my ISO though. Which makes me unsure about massive. Not contributing doesn't necessarily mean scum.

Like I just can't really get reads given the amount of meta arguments that exist in this game as well.

[kirroha]

Then at least you're consistent I guess.

The number of PR claims worries me? Like maybe it's just a stacked game, but that means scum is stacked too probably.

I believe tojam's claim though. It sounds like the kind of role that'll fit into this game, especially given info that I know from mine.

[kirroha]

@BBT: Yeah I'll try. I really owe this game commitment.

[kirroha]

Jeanne also has a pretty sparse ISO of one-liners. A thing to note.

[kirroha]

I believe tojam's claim though. It sounds like the kind of role that'll fit into this game, especially given info that I know from mine.

[kirroha]

Man, I'm kinda happy with my wagon too. Two votes are purely self-preservation, one is bandwagoning what is, best I can tell, a neutral read, and BBT is still mistaking "contribution" for actual scumminess. I don't know, maybe GL is even self-preservation at this point.

At least I don't have a PR to go claiming, I guess.

Gonna go here:

VOTE: SirCakez who switched from WKing me to voting me (ostensibly) because I didn't move my vote off of Firebringer? OK.

This early VT claim makes me a little less sure about this wagon.

UNVOTE:

I don't see how it benefits scum to lock themselves into a VT claim of all things at L-2.

VOTE: SirCakez

I'm looking elsewhere for now.

[kirroha]

I don't like Firebringer. But I don't want to lynch claimed PRs on day 1. Besides, he alleges that his role will be proven in time so I'll let him be today, unless I get a stronger read on him today.

Cake is second biggest wagon. Pushing gets reads. Smaller wagons unlikely to react to single votes.

[kirroha]

I don't like Firebringer. But I don't want to lynch claimed PRs on day 1. Besides, he alleges that his role will be proven in time so I'll let him be today, unless I get a stronger read on him today.

Cake is second biggest wagon. Pushing gets reads. Smaller wagons unlikely to react to single votes.

Kirroha has half a brain, or should I say

Radiant Cowballs

?

okay

GL, are you reading Shadow as town for 214 or is it just a townie looking post? To me, it looks like a whole load of easy questions that scum could ask and outside of that, Shadow is a non-presence. I'm also happy with your 318 as a response.

Just a townie looking post. I agree that it's conceivably fakeable from scum, but backing me up being against PLs while still saying it doesn't make you scum mirrored my own thoughts closely. However writing out that sentence makes me realize that it is actually pretty similar to exactly what I had already said in the thread.

I see Massive as town because no good reason has been provided to scumread massive and SirCakez and GL want it. GL being Mr. Repeat the same question already asked and answered three times is shitty. His response that he didn't vet his own wagon is crap too.

This is bullshit. When I question a wagon, you say I "have a reason to attack any wagon" in 245. Then when I don't question people who are on a wagon because I think it is a good wagon, you frame that as if it is scummy. You've set up a situation where you can call me scum if I push against wagons or if I don't.

This early VT claim makes me a little less sure about this wagon.

Can you explain at what point you were more sure about the wagon? Because your jump on it was extremely tentative, you said in 350 , 355, and 358, you didn't have anything really scummy from massive, but then jumped on in 360 because BBT asked you to. Immediately afterwards in 362 you were still casting doubt on the wagon.

This seems like odd phrasing to jump off, because I don't get the sense that you were sure at any point when voting him.

Yeah, I don't think I was even trying to deny it. I jumped on massive's wagon because BBT told me to. I'm finding it very hard to get reads in this game so the only thing I can really do for now is to push people.

But I don't want to lynch him with that L-2 VT claim. I just can't seem to find a reason why scum would lock themselves into a VT claim at L-2 when they could just stay silent and then at L-1 then decide a claim, either VT or a PR in an attempt to smoke out real town PRs. I can't think of any scum motivation for a VT claim at L-2, unless for some reason massive knew exactly I am going to react to his claim this way, and I doubt that.

So yeah, on to push the next person.

I think everyone else should lay off Firebringer for now imo. We have plenty of time to push him tomorrow. If he's really a town PR scum will deal with him and if they don't, we can interrogate him later.

[kirroha]

I'm not saying scum won't claim VT. I'm saying there's no scum motivation in claiming VT at L-2 with 5 days still before the deadline. VT is a bad role to lock yourself into because it means he can't claim anything else if he changes his mind later and wants to smoke out a town PR. VT is the kind of claim scum would make at L-1 and when an intent to hammer is out there, not long before. That's just what I think at least.

[kirroha]

I think everyone else should lay off Firebringer for now imo. We have plenty of time to push him tomorrow. If he's really a town PR scum will deal with him and if they don't, we can interrogate him later.

Except he's not, and has already laid his groundwork defense for that, so we should axe him now.

Can you explain this a bit more? You may be able to convince me.

[kirroha]

I am so frustrated by this sort of stuff, because of the following reasons;

1. It's making me show my hand before he is locked in hard.
2. That gives him more future wiggle room

I'm not completely against voting for a claimed PR day 1, just so you know. But what Fire has hinted about his role so far makes me vaguely feel like his role is somewhat related to mine. Which makes me more inclined to believe his claim at least for now. In any case, he said his role can be proven eventually, so I'm willing to let that slide.

[kirroha]

Cake's vote on me is gross.

[kirroha]

Cake's vote on me is gross.

why? Was it not gross when shaddowez voted you or when I voiced a desire to do so as well?

shaddowez had some reasons for it even though I'm a claimed PR with a crumbed role and that can just be chalked up to bad town play. SC has no reasons for it whatsoever and sheeped it to high heaven, 2 days before the deadline, which just looks terrible.

Everyone needs to take a minute and consider why they're lynching a claimed PR on D1. They will sort themselves out over time, lynching them D1 is super bad play and anti-town.

This.

Sure, lynching a claimed PR is possible but it something that everyone has to do after some serious discussion (i.e. way more than 2 days). The fact that SC voted me with 2 days left on the clock looks like he wants to flashwagon a PR which is really anti-town.

[kirroha]

That's not a good reason. So that is enough of a justification for an attempt at flashwagoning me within 2 days? Explain what you were intending to do with that vote, SC.

[kirroha]

Meh. I guess that motivation makes sense.

[kirroha]

What makes Thor scummier than anyone else on the FB wagon?

I'm willing to join only if I know this first.

[kirroha]

I'm asking BBT.

[kirroha]

I have explained the FB thing like a dozen times. Check my ISO.

[kirroha]

Hmm. I believe tojam is an Intern/Backup. But I guess that doesn't mean he has to be town.
I'd rather lynch him over NH if there are wagons on both. Scum trackers exist but if I have to compare play so far tojam's is significantly more anti-town.
I really would rather not go after a claimed PR though.

[kirroha]

(Btw, I have so much work for school right now esp with exams around the corner but I won't let it get me down. If I organise my time well I can take up quite a lot.)

[kirroha]

But what Fire has hinted about his role so far makes me vaguely feel like his role is somewhat related to mine. Which makes me more inclined to believe his claim at least for now. In any case, he said his role can be proven eventually, so I'm willing to let that slide.

I expressed the hint about his role that I saw - and I don't think it makes it connected to anyone.
Could you at least give me a vague area to look for the hint you're getting? Because I'm not seeing it.

@Kirroha

Also, did *you* understand my "cards on the table" post?
What did you think I was saying?

Like I understand why you're finding him scummy. What I don't understand is why we should lynch him today. We should let him at least have one night to prove his role.

[kirroha]

I don't get it. What question am I not answering? Is it the "what do you think I'm saying" question because I'm not sure how I'm meant to answer that.

[kirroha]

Oh okay.
I am under the impression that you think

1. Firebringer is faking a town PR,
2. He is saying preemptively he won't be NK'd because he is scum so of course he won't kill himself.

Right?

[kirroha]

More or less, but extrapolate out that I think he's claiming a role that can't be killed because he crumbed that, and then add in that the question you're not answering is that you are claiming he crumbed something else and I was asking you to give me at least some clue as to where he did so because I'm not seeing it at all.

I'm treating "I cannot be NK'd" as a crumb.

[kirroha]

I know. And that's scummy.

I just don't want to lynch someone who claims PR D1 if there's even the least chance that they're telling the truth. FB's role

might

be related to mine so he might be telling the truth and I don't want to take any chances. People play in all kinds of different ways that can be anti-town and while that's frustrating as heck, it's not necessarily scum-indicative.

[kirroha]

(Btw, I have so much work for school right now esp with exams around the corner but I won't let it get me down. If I organise my time well I can take up quite a lot.)

Yes my kitchen counters DO need renovations! Don't they?

I don't get it.

[kirroha]

I know. And that's scummy.

No it's not.

Uh, then why are you trying to lynch him if you don't think he's scum?

[kirroha]

I just don't want to lynch someone who claims PR D1 if there's even the least chance that they're telling the truth. FB's role

might

be related to mine so he might be telling the truth and I don't want to take any chances. People play in all kinds of different ways that can be anti-town and while that's frustrating as heck, it's not necessarily scum-indicative.

Sorry man.

Like I honestly get where you're coming from and I understand that thought process. What I can't understand is why we can't do that tomorrow when we have more info. There are other scum. We can lynch other scum today.

[kirroha]

Huh.

[kirroha]

Eh. IMO Firebringer is scummy but he hasn't confscummed himself enough for me to actually want him lynched. There are lots of things I didn't like from him, like that random early SC buddying for instance. But none of it are stuff that can't be chalked up to bad town play. Bad town play isn't enough to lynch a PR d1 imo.

[kirroha]

Wait, where did he admit his claim is false?

[kirroha]

I am confused by the meaning of the BBT flip.

Will pm the mod.

[kirroha]

Uh

[kirroha]

I have a reason now to believe most of the PR claims.

We're not lynching a D1 PR claim today.

[kirroha]

VOTE: Jeanne

Go go go.

[kirroha]

I'm so tired, I need caffeine...

[kirroha]

prodge. Finding it really hard to catch up with this game. I may replace out soon.

[kirroha]

Intent to hammer.

[kirroha]

wait huh we still have 11 days guys

[kirroha]

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Why aren't you hammering then?

[kirroha]

Because I'm too confused to catch up with all this technical PR gabble orz (so if and when I hammer it'll be purely because people told me to and not because I think he's scum) and there's like 10 days left so I'm feeling lazy

I'll hammer if you don't wanna

I'm just lazy

[kirroha]

woop fair enough, thanks for the summary

VOTE: shaddowez

[kirroha]

If it's a supersaint I'll gladly take the hit, haha. I'm a completely useless player this game.

[kirroha]

Mod, I'm dead. I can't pick up prods.

(Bah post!)

whoops