Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)
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Raskolnikov Jack of All Trades
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I thought that if anyone would appreciate literature it one who calls themselves Aristophanes. I suppose you are merely a dilettante? A pretender? An errant, craven pander of ill stock and disreputable house? Bah!
VOTE: Aristo
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Ugh these claims
I think VT claiming mason to try to eat a NK is unlikely in a role madness game like this
I think it might actually be worth running him up and either lynching him if hes scum or outing the other mason
I think if scum goes for masons it isn't the worst thing in the world in a role madness game
Can someone good at this game tell me if I'm right or wrong thanks.-
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Spoiler: part 1
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I see little critical thought within his quote amalgamation. He votes kelbris because his reaction to the mason claim and because he reminds him of himself as scum, he doesn't like me for a few tells he doesn't go into detail on as well as my view on the claims being different from his, and he doesn't like iraon for questioning the BP/unkillable day 1 claim either. He hands out ridiculous townreads 2 of which are on people with barely any content but he makes it sound like they're really strong. I wouldn't have any problem if he said he found kelbris or me suspicious but I think he's way too convinced (131), similarly if he said his townreads were weak rather than exaggerating most of them. I don't see any town paranoia in how he's approaching his reads and I thought his approach in doing his quote-by-quote on the game was weird since he seemed to have his opinions already decided before he begun. With all that said most of these esp. the shallow thinking would also apply to a VI so I want to hear his response and his explanations for why at this early point he's so convinced about so much.
p.s. I'm never doing this again it took FOREVER-
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Deathtunneling on someone because you don't like what they did a game before is absurd and I don't see why they would do this when they could have /out ed when seeing the playerlist. I think town RC would be more inclined to just ignore beeboy rather than make a big deal out of this, and I've heard of him using gambits like this (especially involving AtE) as scum for towncred. Furthermore since it's between RC and beeboy and I don't think FA is involved I don't know why FA would be fine with this if they were town, whereas if scum it makes sense for her to stay silent and let RC try this gambit.
The tldr is it's either really reckless townplay or a scum AtE play and I see the latter as more likely.-
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I wanted to see his reaction. I feel if he was town he would have addressed me directly rather than saying what he did.
I mean I could be wrong but you don't learn without making a few mistakes!-
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On one hand I want to go into it because of what you're asking but on the other I don't want to upset them if they're actually town.
So I'm leaving it there and you can come to your own conclusions.
This is a game and I just want to make what I think are the right decisions but if I end up too involved in drama from it it's just not worth it.
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I think this would be taking it pretty far for a scum ploy, and if that was the case it probably would have been ideal to have just kept posting rather than this.
If I'm wrong here though I'm going to remember this for next time.-
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It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself--as though that were so necessary--that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar. And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point! I believe in it, I answer for it, for the whole work of man really seems to consist in nothing but proving to himself every minute that he is a man and not a piano-key!-
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I hate this game because I'm only getting townreads and some nullish-could-be-scum
even ARS it felt he got voted too easily and his recent posts are townishy even tho that 1 earlier post is still bad
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In post 446, Mad King Ashnard wrote:
This bothers me. The only guy on there I like is shos. Conversely the only people who explicitly were against the lynch are EE and snarky, (alc and klingon not really saying much either way).
If it is ARS then I could see him being with kelbris (who has him as scum but didnt vote) and maybe having one person on his wagon or a mistaken townread. The problem is that if the townreads aren't mistaken then having 1 on here plus the kelbris position would be scum going too hard on one of their own; kelbris would have to vote eventually as scum if the lynch was going through since it would look terrible if he didn't and would doom him next day.
If it isnt ARS then it could still be kelbris, 1 person on here and the third also on here or a mistaken townread who's actually scum. I think its more likely?
This iraon ARS converssation is complicated and some of its semantics but they probably aren't scum together now at least.
fuck sorry-
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In post 453, A Real Scourge wrote:waait Rask i just remembered that i had things that i wanted to explain to me. i think you told me that the meta thing with RC was a reaction test toward him, didn't you?
It was 190. We talk sometimes and he told me several times before this game that he thinks AtE is the best tool in mafia. Standard response to what I said would have been to just tell me directly that it's ridiculous because of just how facetious it is, and in general to engage me (also sort me) rather than 'addressing the crowd' like he did (see 325 too). Then when FA said he wanted to just leave the game and she had to ask him to stay (looked genuine) it sort of invalidated that. If they were actually scum using AtE there you wouldn't go that far, and another thing I didn't want to mention (it would have been insulting at the time) is that replacing out even as a hydra head as scum under that pressure would be somewhat close to strategic which doesn't mean its impossible but definitely less likely. On the other hand it could also have been the case he was genuinely upset in that situation even as scum (I remember scum rc replaced out once in a game with titus for nai reasons) especially as the beeboy thing was from a previous game so I can't 100% clear them for town either.-
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In post 458, A Real Scourge wrote:i see, that's fine then. thanks for the detailed explanation.
so in the end it didn't give overwhelming evidence one way or the other. it's hard to for me to judge the because i've never played with you and only have word of mouth, but what you've done here seems like a reasonable course of action. can you reply to 452 as well?
181 is bad
I don't like how you were trying to be neutral with them even as you had E/A voted
346 is bad (somewhat moreso because it follows 345)
your view on beeboy is weird
Your attitude is friendly and even comes off as naive(?) which feels wrong for someone wagoned and under pressure
After a lot of reflection I think I'm weirded out because of how everytime you ask someone something or even scumread them it's like you give them an out, like a really big chance to change your mind.
But it was way too easy to wagon you which feels wrong and I don't like the people who hopped on. I'd feel better about something like kelbris because even if hes town I won't have any remorse.-
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In post 460, Elsa and Anna wrote:The real issue with the ARS wagon is that I tried to make counterwagons on people I thought were town but were objectively and none of them took.
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In post 468, Alchemist21 wrote:The main flaw to me is that they thought people would sheep naked votes instead of supplying some kind of reason to form the counterwagons
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In post 480, A Real Scourge wrote:man, not sure how i feel about people thinking of me as lynchbait.. but it's probably my own fault.
alright.
all of these are legitimate, honestly.
the reason i had the sisters voted was because i was trying to say that what they wanted to do (get lynched, and then get beeboy speedlynched), was anti-town, and so town shouldn't do it. i was trying to tell them that if they were town, they needed to rethink things. i also really don't like personal fights in games.
my attitude has been mentioned by other people before. i don't know if i'm naive (but if i was, i wouldn't know, why i?), but i am friendly. i like to have fun, and i don't like it when things get personal. i'm not sure how you expect someone to respond when they're under pressure, as you say, but.. like.. do you expect me to get angry and stop being friendly? that's not how i do. plus, a wagon in a game isn't gonna make me upset. i get upset from personal attacks and such.
the fact that you're saying this is making me rethink things. i want to be taken seriously, and if that means taking a more serious tone in my posts, i'll try it out.
the bolded line is what really gets me though. i think you're town, and this is a large part of why. because you might be right. i mean, i'm still new to this, i'm trying to work things out, but i like that you're giving me genuine advice here. i try to hunt through townhunting, but i guess if i too easily give out townpoints, it kind of defeats the purpose, huh?
the aim of my voting is to get a reaction out of the people i'm voting. i always vote people i could see being scum. if it looks like i gave them an 'out', it means they did something that i think scum wouldn't do in their position. i think i've given reasons for all of my unvotes or changes, and it'd be helpful if you told me which ones weren't deserved. not everyone i've unvoted is free of suspicion from me, either. in the cae of shos, for example, i'm just less confident. and in the case of iraon.. well, see the below.
I think I was a bit harsh. I didn't intend to criticize your style, but rather just express why I in particular felt the way I did about you. I'm new myself and I could be wrong or see this differently than others, and furthermore everyone has their own style to some extent and people get used to it if its nai (through experience and meta). As far as the game itself it's a breath of fresh air and so what if it made the read a little harder! (buddying) I really liked talking with you because its so much nicer than the more usual arguing, fighting or sometimes apathy you often get elsewhere. Please don't change! (/buddying)-
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Realistically he hasn't claimed (and probably isn't going to be able to within 2 hours) so he could be PR especially in role madness, plus I don't know if a role-madness no-lynch is as bad as a regular nolynch because if we get an extra day the night actions could actually help.-
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In post 735, Klingoncelt wrote:It definitely proves that E&A are Scum. Raskolnikov and Beeboy have proven to be Scum as well, by virtue of their naked votes.
Shos, maybe.
Klingon, considering E+A killed kelbris (no cc makes it a safe assumption), do you think they would do that as mafia, or do they think they are 3rd party that targeted scum day 1 like mariomaniac suggested? I'm promise I'm not being facetious here.-
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I feel like you're more upset for being 'caught for the wrong reasons' rather than for being misread as a town would be. If you were town it would still be a reasonable assumption that at least half of your wagon is town and therefore would be misreading/mistaken but you're acting like only scum could possibly be voting you and trying to discredit all of us as people rather than work towards an understanding.-
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Town-voter wagons build more slowly.
You must be new.
I am new, but even Ican see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Cruncham confident your reaction here is terrible especially for scum. Even if you are town your logic here is really faulty and if anyone were to actually follow it, it would be very destructive and pretty much lose the game (although I am pretty sure you are scum for your approach and the shallow thinking). Anecdotally, I've also seen fast wagons hit scum quite a few times as well and many slow building ones to have scum inside vote-parking so I don't even agree with this statement. If you actually are town then post a thorough detailed analysis rather that repeating X is scum for shallow reasons I'll look it over but right now your rather absurd reaction isn't doing you any good whatsoever; at the very least that would help post-flip.-
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