Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: SirCakez

I already know his character. He's gravity.

How do I know that?

He suuuuuucccckkkks! <3

[KuroiXHF]

I will players access as they exit the game.

This sounds dirty by the way.

I giggled.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: SirCakez

I already know his character. He's gravity.

How do I know that?

He suuuuuucccckkkks! <3

UNVOTE:
Apparently I'm too stupid to be in Science Mafia. I was thinking of a black hole.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh sweet. Plotinus is here. I've come prepared with the magical powers of Pseudo Science! I will kill you by throwing you off the end of the Earth! And it's OK because I'm a Saggitarius and you're a Virgo so we don't mesh well. The alignment of the stars have made it so.

Preview Edit: I unvoted because a gravity doesn't suck. A black hole does. My theory on why you were scum was based on false pretenses.

[KuroiXHF]

lol, well thanks for the vote of confidence. I should actually hydra with my fiancee. (She's not on this website.) She loves science. She actually graduated with a BS in general science education. Except, if it were up to her, she'd choose frogs as her role...

Oh and FYI,

V/LA starting tomorrow until Tuesday. I'm getting married, but I'll try to sneak my laptop up for the off times when I can.

(BTW, I tried to make a joke about the wedding night so I googled laws of physics. I came up with this:
Pascal's Principle
Pressure applied to an enclosed incompressible static fluid is transmitted undiminished to all parts of the fluid.

This seems like it could be used for a sexual pun. Go for it, because I'm not good enough to make a joke about it.)

Preview Edit - MoI: STOP IT. MY FEELINGS.

[KuroiXHF]

Oh and FYI,

V/LA starting tomorrow until Tuesday.

I'm getting married, but I'll try to sneak my laptop up for the off times when I can.

Reposting this because I screwed up on the coding the first time and I want to make sure mod sees this.

[KuroiXHF]

Guys, Black holes are not caused by gravity, not at all. Gravity is by far the weakest force of the four basic forces...

Earth, Wind, Fire and Pollen?

VOTE: SirCakez

I already know his character. He's gravity.

How do I know that?

He suuuuuucccckkkks! <3

I will players access as they exit the game.

This sounds dirty by the way.

I giggled.

I lollllllled!

Also as you can see when I'm posting from home I can definitely post with P and L.

Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here all 1.923076923% of the rotation around the sun!

[KuroiXHF]

Javajoe's reaction was too calm and from my experience with him, I don't think he'd fake that level of calmness.

[KuroiXHF]

How does that contradict?

[KuroiXHF]

...I just got back from V/LA and uhhh...

Wow. Holy shit.

I'll tell you right now I won't be able to take this tonight. I'll respond tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Guys. I'll make a long wall with my full catch up. I promise. I go back to work today and my activity will spike.

SPIKE, I TELL YOU!

[KuroiXHF]

*Caught up to Post 150*

You don't think there's game relevant content in post 26, Sales?

VOTE: Cabd

I don't like this. It's not a good reason to vote someone. Be transparent. Naked votes aren't good, especially since that post didn't make it obvious.

Why not? I want to be sold some delicious Plot reads.

You and Kuroi are also sucking up to me a little.

I'm looking for payback for ClownTardis when you royally screwed me over.

VOTE: Meeseeks

--P

I'm not voting you for sarcasm.

I don't like you being so non-transparent. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, do it.

i mean i havent done much

I am, indeed, voting you for something you haven't done. Do you know what that something is?

Nevermind. I still stand by my point of being transparent, but this isn't your meta for scum, I don't think. You still haven't given me a reason to town read you at all.

*snip*

Holy shit that was nothing but fluff. It's about as bad as...

*snip*

For the same reasons. I'm still read through today, but right now, I see myself voting Aneninen or Mr. Meeseeks.

[KuroiXHF]

oh sure why dont i fucking let everyone know who this is an alt of

whats the fucking point, holy shit like why do i even need to prove this like seriously

You wanted to avoid being read for meta and you did things that would make you virtually confscum on your main

and you expect me to townread and/or ignore it? please.

is the best quote i could find without giving away entirely who i am

now back the fuck off and stop doubting me, why the piss would i lie about something so disprovable?

See, the point is that you make such a fuss from a single, naked vote. I said absolutely nothing, at all, and look how you react. "the case so far" is weak? what case? you getting uberdefensive is alarming. And hence, the vote stays.

oh no a fuss from a single naked vote??????? obviously only scum do that, after all town just

love

being voted for and lynched without an explanation

DEFENSIVENESS IS

NOT

A SCUMTELL like where did this ridiculous idea even come from it makes no damn sense

also, by "case" i mean your reason for voting me, its weak as shit and your pathetic explanation didnt make it any better.

Also

VOTE: Mr Meeseeks

do tell me why you made a big catchup and focused on several players who werent me and then voted me anyway?

uberdefensive my arse, i call bullshit on you keeping voting me for this

VOTE: shos

scumteam if you made me choose right now id go shos, moi and cakes, in order of confidence

Defensiveness is a town attribute. However, over-defensiveness is a scum attribute. You've been given an inch of rope and your kicking and screaming travels over a mile. That does not give me any confidence that you're town at all. Going through your entire play, it's all an attempt to emotion. You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

seriously though im not scum, please stop wasting your time on me and it would be better for everyone involved

Good.
I've stopped.

And that's everything I can tell now.

All those walls are tiring and I don't think we're getting anywhere in that way. However, I do think scums are among those players who have posted little-to-no content in the last 1–2 days.

If the Plot-head is posting, he looks the same as the town-Plot I know. The same goes for Shos. Both of them are good players so I might be wrong, but I don't think I could catch any of them right now.
ChilledTea, however, looks different.

Fuck. That was a town vibe. You're going up to lean scum. By process of elimination VOTE: Meeseeks

[KuroiXHF]

Also how come you have a read on kuroi so quickly? I definitely want you to explain this read in as many words as possible.

I'm curious as well. Until today, most of my posts have been during the RVS phase. I've been getting married and haven't been able to post much.

[KuroiXHF]

I"ll respond and have a full read list tonight.

[KuroiXHF]

You don't think there's game relevant content in post 26, Sales?

VOTE: Cabd

I don't like this. It's not a good reason to vote someone. Be transparent. Naked votes aren't good, especially since that post didn't make it obvious.

I don't think a naked vote that early is a tell.
However, I do think that your "be transparent" rondo is scummy. I don't remember you doing the same in other games you were town in.

Really? I'm sure I've used that word before. I've also heard it used during an argument recently, although I can't remember which one.

Defensiveness is a town attribute. However, over-defensiveness is a scum attribute. You've been given an inch of rope and your kicking and screaming travels over a mile.

show me where, because i havent just gone "wahwah youre voting me when im town" (which id agree is scummy), ive made it pretty clear that im critical of their reasons and intentions and ive given reasons. also, give my iso in my last game a quick skim - especially where i was being challengeed by rc. thats honestly just how im being.

It was the post I quoted. You complained that you were town and that we were voting you, and I'd consider your actions to be over-defensive. As for the person who asked who the decider was of over-defensive, it's my opinion. Everyone has different standards of where over-defensive is, but I'm pretty confident that I'm not alone in judging him that way. In fact, I'm surprised if anyone decide he isn't.

You're so vindictive and angry that I see someone upset that they're being voted and not that they're trying to find scum.

oh fuck you, ive got three scumspects and another which is slightly below which im fairly confident of, ive done the most fucking scumhunting this whole game![/quote]
By the way, it shows over-defensive when you're getting to the point of appealing to more emotion. You're swearing a lot, and evidently, only to me. Tell me, who are you scum hunting? Because I see a lot more defense and not a lot of offense.

-My read list will be posted soon.

[KuroiXHF]

And where's your readlist, Kuroi?

Actually, I think

you

might want to look at

my

read list. I referenced that quite clearly.

[KuroiXHF]

*my last post.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Cabd, Traveling Salesman, MagnaofIllusion
Null/Unsorted: FireAssassin, Javajoe24, Shos, SirCakez
Lean Scum: Aneninen, GuyInFreezer, SheldonCooper, ChilledTea
Strong Scum: Meeseeks

Notes:
- GuyInFreezer rings me as scummy as saying he's going to catch up on Sunday and Wednesday, he's not here. He'll probably go back to null if he doesn't respond to the prod.
- I want to scum read Javajoe, but he's scummy in nearly every single game I play with him. It's too premature to sort.
- I've liked what SheldonCooper has been saying this game and I even expected to put him in lean town but a review of his ISO shows that he's been a bit superficial with his words. He's here a lot, but not adding a lot.
- Plotinus is always hard to read, but his scum hunting, even if he's the kind to bus, seems beneficial right now. BnL seems to be a good partner and is following suit.
- I want to vote SirCakez, but this fits with his town meta. I don't know what to make of him, so I'm keeping him there.

[KuroiXHF]

He seems pretty annoyed, but what really pings me is that he seems to know we're town, as evident from "you want to feel like a great scumhunter", "you are wrong". At the same time, he does not seem to take a stance on our alignment. It's like he dislikes us, but doesn't call us scummy.

Travelling Salesman, just an FYI, when I read "You want to feel like a great scumhunter," it came across more as playful than serious - kind of in the way where he's pretending you're town.

I'm not disagreeing that Chilled is scummy, but maybe not for that point.

[KuroiXHF]

My Kuroi nulltown read comes from his widespread engagement and what looks like consistent efforts to sort people. For example, he dropped a full readslist in 261 which I don't think anyone else has. 225 looks like an active town thought process, from one post he sorted Anen up to nullscum, these are the kind of posts I see town making. In 219 he directly pushed on Traveling Salesman, who is probably one of the most townread players in the game right now. Another scenario that I don't see scum engaging into. The reason he's only nulltown is due to his lower activity and a good chunk of his posts consist of little fluffs.

I like to think the reason I've been less than fully active in this day period was my wedding, lol.

[KuroiXHF]

-Science!!!
GuyInFreezer
Cabd
Fire Assassin
Javajoe24
MagnaOfIllusion
SirCakez
KuroiXHF

-Lack of research
Mr Meeseeks
chilledtea

-Unidentified
SheldonCooper
shos
Travelling Salesman (Plotinus + BulletNLynchproof)

-notscience
Aneninen

Now to work I go

Am I the scummiest of the science or is this in not any order?

(Yes. I understand how non-science that sounds.
Yes, I can't science.)

[KuroiXHF]

Alright, SirCakez goes to lean town for me. I think ChilledTea is going to stay at lean scum. SirCakez's thought progression sounds town to me. I think ChilledTea is trying so hard to catch him in a lie, and it's just not happening.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm still here, nothing to add right now of importance

I don't think this is alignment indicative, Joe, but this is definitely an area of improvement. If you're telling me that you read through everything and you don't have a single question to ask anyone, you're not looking hard enough.

I'd recommend you go back and read everything again. If someone does something that feels out of place. If there's something that needs explanation. If the flow is off, speak up.

We don't find scum by having nothing to add.

[KuroiXHF]

I do have some comments and questions for me, I see.

Rest assured, they'll be answered soon.

[KuroiXHF]

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Cabd, Traveling Salesman, MagnaofIllusion
Null/Unsorted: FireAssassin, Javajoe24, Shos, SirCakez
Lean Scum: Aneninen, GuyInFreezer, SheldonCooper, ChilledTea
Strong Scum: Meeseeks

I'm keeping this up here for reference.

This looks like a fabricated readlist. Also, your townplay I know is much less "soft".

What do you mean by this? That I'm less sure about my reads?

Am I the scummiest of the science or is this in not any order?

And that was a weird question about that readlist. Why did you care your rank amongst the

townreads

?

I was curious. It's not like conversation was booming.

I'm still here, nothing to add right now of importance

I don't think this is alignment indicative, Joe, but this is definitely an area of improvement. If you're telling me that you read through everything and you don't have a single question to ask anyone, you're not looking hard enough.

I'd recommend you go back and read everything again. If someone does something that feels out of place. If there's something that needs explanation. If the flow is off, speak up.

We don't find scum by having nothing to add.

Java's was indeed null, but I didn't like this reaction. It sounded very artificial, maybe because it pointed out obvious things. What was the need for that post, Kuroi?[/quote]
How many games have you played with Javajoe? I'm played like... five. I've voted and lynched him and all of this stuff for a long time. He signs up for a lot of games, but doesn't play them. Maybe you don't know because you don't play with him much, but I don't like naturally not-scum reading people because they're normally scummy.

And I am scumreading Meeseeks. This is really awful reasoning for a scumread. Like my townread on you just sank like a rock, that's how fake I think this is.

I strongly think Meeseeks is a planned mislynch by some scums.

But I'm the one pushing the Meeseek's lynch, so. I was the one who started it, I'm the one claiming to be able to read him. If Meeseek's is a mislynch, I'm the one who is going to end up strongarming it through. Are you calling me scum and if so why are you doing it so circumspectly?

I don't know how I feel about this reaction. Yeah, you're obviously the one who started the Meeseeks lynch and if you look at the vote count, I'm right by your side, but I take issue with the "Are you calling me scum?" It seems like a challenge and given your reputation here, it sounds like you're expecting people to shy away.

@Kuroi: Why are you townreading Cabd and not Java?

Go through Java's ISO and tell me that it doesn't reek of coasting. The thing is - again - I've played with Java and this is typical for him, so I'm not scum reading him. Still, he gives me no reason to town read him. Cabd is still one of our less active players, sure, but I have a town gut read. Now that you had me go through his ISO, I do think that gut isn't enough for a town read. I think when I put my read list together, it looked like I didn't have enough town reads, so I put him there to balance things out.

You liked 201 by Aneninen, saying that it gave you townvibes, but you put him in your leanscum group. How come?

I said that it was townie enough to keep me from lynching him, because at that time, I wasn't sure if I wanted to vote him or Meeseeks. I actually kind of like Aneninen pushing me, but I'm not confident in town reading him. I do believe I already posted why I don't think he's town.

[quoteYou say that Cakes is playing to his town meta; I find Cakes pretty difficult to read. Can you talk about what you expect from townCakes, or what aspects of scumCakes are missing here? If he fits with his town meta, why do you want to vote him?[/quote]
From the beginning of the game, I've immediately scum read Cakes and the reason for that was Killer Instinct Mafia. From the start, he acted completely different from the prior game (Sharing Is Caring - Open Game). I immediately town read him and I was sure he was town. Turned out - scum. So, he acts one way - scum. He changes his tune completely - scum. You can understand why I'm distrustful of him, and yeah, I can understand why I'd find it difficult to read him.

And I didn't like his first few questions on me. His criticisms on my read of Joe and the constant way he appears to try to catch me in a lie does not sit right with me. Him back tracking on his criticism of me sounds awkward too, but I'd find it awkward if he kept on me with that whole Joe-read, so I felt it's best to put him in null territory until I see some more from him.

- Plotinus is always hard to read, but his scum hunting, even if he's the kind to bus, seems beneficial right now. BnL seems to be a good partner and is following suit.

I agree with Anen on this; this kind of feels like you know Meeseeks is scum and are threatening to push me for bussing him on day 2. Also you seem to be the only person in this game who likes my hydra partner's posting. Though I think Anen was calling Meeseeks town for this post? Either way it bothers me.

I don't really have anything to say to this, at least about Meeseeks. As far as bussing goes, I'm voting WITH you. If I'm scum and Meeseeks is scum, wouldn't that mean that I would also be bussing him? Why would you need two scum bussing a third? That doesn't make any sense to me.

And is there a problem for me liking BnL's posting? He posts similarly to you. Sometimes, I wouldn't be able to tell were not for the sign-off tags.

it's my opinion

yeah i get its your opinion but if you looked at my last game youd see this isnt really alignment-indicative at all

I get meta. I really do, but if you use it as your only line of defense, you're not defending yourself well. It comes off as an excuse, and that's how I take it.

Strong Scum: Meeseeks

is this strong scum relatively speaking or just in general?[/quote]
Scummier than Mr. Burns. Less scummy than Hitler.
I'm not sure what you're asking from me.

[KuroiXHF]

Woops. I forgot part of Aneninen's catch up:

Notes on notes.
As for GuyInFreezer. It sounded a bit like "do something, scumbuddy!" – but this is a thing we should remember only if one of them flips scum and there's no Daytalk.
Why do you want to scumread Java? You seem to have more than enough scumreads without him!
Your Sheldon read is hazy. You like him but you don't like him.
As for Plotinus/BnL, I agree, but that "even if he's the kind to bus" part pings me in the wrong way. As if you knew his alignment.
And SirCakez, another one whom you want to vote, but because his meta he's town... again, this would make sense if you didn't have five scumreads.
And your strongest scumread is the one who's the leading wagon...

This reminds me of why I scum read him. He scum reads anything and everything I've typed. This means that unless I'm obvious scum (and by my lack of votes, I'm not) he's either biased-town who is trying to find a reason to lynch me because he thinks I'm scum or he's scum and trying to get me lynched.

I now bump Aneninen down to strong scum.

- Aneninen gives me crap because I find someone claiming to catch up and refusing to scummy. He thinks I'm calling to my scum buddy because a mod prodding him wouldn't be sufficient, right?
- I want to scum read Java because he's scummy... but I know he's naturally scummy.
- Sheldon? I like some things about him, and I don't like some things about him. Tell me, bird-man, do you like everything about your town reads and dislike everything about your scum reads?
- As for the rest of my scum reads, I agree that I have too many. I'm not placing bets and I'm sure I have town who I'm scum reading. But let me give you some knowledge her, brah. It's DAY ONE. It'll be refined later.

[KuroiXHF]

No. I said in both games I've referenced, you WERE scum. Sharing is caring and Killer Instinct

[KuroiXHF]

But it sounds like you're scumreading me here as well because my tone is different....

I explained why I scum read you toward the beginning of the game.

I'm not 100% sure on you now, so I'm waiting until you give off a town/scum tell.

[KuroiXHF]

Cakez. So I'm likely without a computer until tomorrow night since my wife is a possessive woman and we haven't had any time since the wedding. I'd suggest you try to take a look.

[KuroiXHF]

Still not done - but i think our lynch pool should be meseekes and kuroi

Can you tell me what you don't like about my play?

[KuroiXHF]

You didn't answer my question, shos. Please do.

[KuroiXHF]

I'll go through those posts when I can but I didn't say you didn't scum hunt or fabricated reads. I said you didn't try hard enough.

With that said, I'm glad you're putting some effort in.

[KuroiXHF]

I want to respond to Plotinus, but I'm not going to be able to until tomorrow. At least for the long part.

And Cakes, you wanted me to quote something from Post 325. I can't do that right now.

[KuroiXHF]

I am hoping to make all my responses today.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm finally glad that I can respond.

This isn't a fair way to approach me. I'm tired of people putting me on a pedestal and then acting like I asked them to put me there. I don't like the suggestion that I should treat Aneninen with kid gloves just because

you

are afraid of me.

I agree 100% with this response. I just don't think you mean what you say. You're right. People do put you on a pedestal, and I think this response is probably one of the only tactics you have at this point. So I mean, it sucks, but I can totally see scum you doing that. Do you? Is this something you would say if you were scum? I want to remind you of our game at ClownTardis. This is probably the only game I've ever been in "clear" territory. I suspected you because you were too good to be alive in Day Five, or whichever Day it was. I pretty much decided who to lynch and I thought it was bullshit to lynch you just because you were alive - and that line of thinking cost me the game. Perhaps I feel played and you're a pretty convincing fellow, but I can see this as just another ploy.

It is unreasonable to ask me to walk on eggshells to a greater extent than I am already doing. This isn't a newbie game and I'm not anybody's IC right now except BNL's.

I agree, but it's the atmosphere of the game, considering our histories. Unfortunately for you, when it comes to this game, my job is to win - not be fair. If it means anything to you, I'm not about to lead a lynch on someone because of a previous game. What I would suggest would be for anyone with investigate roles to set their sights on you.

Does Java's double voter claim affect your read on his slot?

Actually, Java's claim means nothing to me. Statistically, he's more likely to be town, but it could also mean that he's scum and that there's one less scum than usual for this game. The only way this would affect me would be if I was trying to lynch him. I'd probably feel out everyone's opinion before doing that. But this is day one and while I want to know about everyone, the only person that means the most to me is the one I want to lynch. That's not JavaJoe.

Your inability to take consistent stances is bothering me.

I'm consistent in thinking Aneninen and Meeseks as scum. I'm consistent in wanting both of them dead. I'm even consistent in being open to lynch either of them. Tell me, how am I inconsistent?

BNL gets mislynched a lot; I think because sometimes he misreads things and people assume he's misrepresenting them instead if he winds up scumreading someone based on a misunderstanding. When he posted recently a bunch of people who were townreading us said they weren't townreading us anymore. There's nothing wrong with liking his posting: I like that he's posting, too. But if you can't tell our posting apart then I think you're not reading very closely, and if some of his posts ping a lot of people but don't ping you then I wonder why that is; maybe you have strategic reasons for wanting to townread us.

I think this is merely a matter of perspective. I have twin sisters who look very similar and they both think you're blind if you confuse the two. I think you're doing the same thing.

Kuroi does kind of need kid gloves though because he can be kinda lynchbaity, or at least he was a few months ago when I played with him but he's probably grown as a player since then. Also, I sometimes have a trouble where if someone is making a game unfun for me then I tend to scumread them for it, but I'm aware of that so I try to compensate for it but I'm not really good at calibrating it and I never know if I'm compensating too much or too little for it.

I'm actually more offended that you called me not fun, rather than calling me scum. One of those accusations is personal.

i dissuade any wagons on kuroi or anenineninenineninen until further notice

Wait, why?

[KuroiXHF]

Lean Town: Cabd

Notes:
- GuyInFreezer rings me as scummy as saying he's going to catch up on Sunday and Wednesday, he's not here. He'll probably go back to null if he doesn't respond to the prod.

Kuroi please reconcile your Cadb Townlean with your scummy read on Gif as they’ve both been guilty of the exact same thing.

This seems to be a scumpoint for Kuroi, but you ended up townreading him. Explain?

-bnl

There are two names here. Are you referring to Cabd or GIF?

[KuroiXHF]

I'll reply to everyone else when I can. Should be in a few hours but Shos, you've yet to name anything bad about my posts. You just said they were scummy and that they were bad, but nothing specific.

Want to try being useful this game, please?

[KuroiXHF]

Meeseeks, I realize I need to re-read this game, but can you give me a group of two or three that you would most like to lynch?

[KuroiXHF]

but it is a perfectly valid argument - its inaccurate to call me scummy for being overdefensive when that fits with my town meta. sure, you cant call me town for it either, obviously but with the meta knowledge you should take it with a pinch of salt

It seems like a meta strategy to me where acting out in a scummy way would make you seem townie when you spend your townie games acting this way.

what i meant was like "am i strong scum just because im your strongest you have or are you really pretty certain im scum" if that makes sense

It does. You're moderately scummy. Your beginning game has been screaming scum, but less so now. You're still scummy where I don't want to take my vote off, but I've seen worse.

Meeseeks, I realize I need to re-read this game, but can you give me a group of two or three that you would most like to lynch?

cakez
shos
magnaofillusion

in that order[/quote]
Okay. I understand Cakez and Shos, but MoI?

Does Java's double voter claim affect your read on his slot?

Actually, Java's claim means nothing to me. Statistically, he's more likely to be town, but it could also mean that he's scum and that there's one less scum than usual for this game. The only way this would affect me would be if I was trying to lynch him. I'd probably feel out everyone's opinion before doing that. But this is day one and while I want to know about everyone, the only person that means the most to me is the one I want to lynch. That's not JavaJoe.

Wasn't this game advertised as 10 town 3 scum? Pretty sure of it.

So a strange post from kuroi.

I don't think it's a weird post, but I didn't see anywhere here that says that there are three scum. Where did you read that?

[KuroiXHF]

@Kuroi -

THE SETUP

• There are
  two factions
  in this game.
  THE UNIVERSE (town: 10 players)
  and
  ENTROPY (mafia: 3 players)
  .
  
• ENTROPY
  members may perform the factional kill and an active ability on the same night.
  
• All Private Topics will be open during every phase of the game.

THE UNIVERSE Win Condition:

you win when only players aligned with

THE UNIVERSE

remain

ENTROPY Win Condition:

you win when only players aligned with

ENTROPY

remain or nothing can prevent the same.

...Well I look like an idiot now. I was looking at the two posts before that.

[KuroiXHF]

Even in the mini theme queue where you sign up for the game, it was advertised as being singleball with 10 town and 3 scum.

I didn't even look at the set up in the advertisement. I saw you pick then I saw science. I'm in the middle of watching House and I love TBBT.

I just went for it.

And if I could do it all over again, I would.

[KuroiXHF]

@Kuroi

- You either missed or avoided answering this earlier. Please address.

Kuroi please reconcile your Cadb Townlean with your scummy read on Gif as they’ve both been guilty of the exact same thing.

I saw this the first time and I thought this wasn't something that warranted a response. Did you want me to give you an updated read list?

how did you go from post 337 and

are you scum or just unfun: Kuroi

to

Kuroi is town as fuck

Stole the words right out of my mouth. The only way this really makes sense to me was if there's a Hydra dispute - Plotinus is wary of me and BNL thinks I'm scummy as fuck. Doesn't appear that way, though.

[KuroiXHF]

or I read the 4 pages between my one post and the other.

So what you're saying is that I appear town in the last four pages than I did before then? What exactly did you see in the last four pages that you didn't see before?

I saw this the first time and I thought this wasn't something that warranted a response. Did you want me to give you an updated read list?

No - I think it is important for you to clarify why you Town read Cadb and Scum read Gif when both have been low content and generally prod-dodgy.

Quoting from my post in 314

Go through Java's ISO and tell me that it doesn't reek of coasting. The thing is - again - I've played with Java and this is typical for him, so I'm not scum reading him. Still, he gives me no reason to town read him. Cabd is still one of our less active players, sure, but I have a town gut read. Now that you had me go through his ISO, I do think that gut isn't enough for a town read. I think when I put my read list together, it looked like I didn't have enough town reads, so I put him there to balance things out.

This is why I town read Cabd, although I kind of figured in that post he's more null now.
Looking through GIF, he was active enough and engaged enough to post up a read list. Javajoe or Cabd weren't even engaged enough. I don't believe that the activity level is necessarily alignment indicative and GIF's posts appear to be more of a lurking than a "I'm not here enough," which is why I'm comfortable placing him as lean scum.

It doesn't mean I see myself voting him this day phase though.

[KuroiXHF]

I didn't see that the first time you wrote that. Fair enough.

[KuroiXHF]

On another note, I'm not happy knowing there are two days left and half of us are twiddling our thumbs and sitting on their asses.

[KuroiXHF]

okay i just thought id be a bit cheeky and clever, serious mode now

im yttrium, investigative neighbour

would rather not disclose the exact nature of either my investigative or who my neighbours are because the ones who need to know already know because theyre in the hood thank you very much

Why did you choose Yttrium? I've never heard of it and when I read that post, I kind of expected that you were just joking and it wasn't real.

But it's an element and you could have chosen any of the others.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm going to be blunt. I'm not sure if I believe you or not.

I'm not even going to try to go through the wiki page and learn if it makes any sense that Yttrium would be a neighbor, but I could find a couple more entertaining elements that Y.

On the other hand, I'm not you so what I like isn't necessarily what you like. Also, I see your crumb of "Y" instead "Why?"

That crumb would have been more useful a while back.

Right now, I'm leaving my vote where it is.

[KuroiXHF]

curious as to why you question the neighbour bit? like, it would be pointless to lie about it as scum as it is not really alignment indicative since both town and scum can be neighbours, but it is easily disprovable so itd be weird to lie as it is a risk with little reward

Not in science. At least to me. I tried going through the Wiki and looking for keywords that would give me a hint that there would be some sort of chemical/physical property that could be translated into a role. I couldn't find anything and while that's not alignment indicative, your response is. Your post was made out of pressure and I don't know why you asked me why I would question anything. It's my job to see if your claim makes sense.

Right now, I'm hoping someone else who knows more about science than I do could say something to help.

agreed, lets lynch cakes please

I can swing a train onto Cakez, I haven't seen any posts that made me think he was town.

It seems like you're either just automatically buying Meeseek's claim or you're trying to go after easy bait.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

Not lynching Meeseeks today, that would be a terrible lynch.
I say we go ahead with this though.

Why is Meeseeks a terrible lynch?

Players who read players by claims alone I think need to relearn the basics of mafia.
If you scumread the player already, and then his claim seems sketchy, thats one thing.

But you're appearing to read Meeseeks by his claim alone.

i panicked okay am i not allowed to do that

Well it typically doesn't good to panic. Why would town panic?

[KuroiXHF]

Actually, scratch my earlier point. Fire Assassin did town read Meeseeks before.

[KuroiXHF]

I could possibly vote for Fire Assassin. Not so much Sir Cakez.

However, I'm definitely down for an Aneninen lynch.

Here's our current situation - quoting the last posted vote count.

Aneninen - 1 (GuyInFreezer)
chilledtea - 2 (Fire Assassin, MagnaOfIllusion)
KuroiXHF - 3 (Aneninen, Javajoe24)
Mr Meeseeks - 4 (Travelling Salesman, KuroiXHF, SirCakez, shos)
shos - 2 (SheldonCooper, Cabd)
SirCakez - 2 (chilledtea, Mr Meeseeks)

At the time of this post, about one day and thirteen hours left - or 37 hours left. With the slow pace of the game, that's not a lot of time. My suggestion is to vote whomever already has votes. So we lynch Chilledtea, Aneninen, Meeseeks, Shos, SirCakez or me.

So while I'd be open for a lynch of FireAssassin, it's not feasible. We'd be lynching a no-lynch. Lynching Meeseeks would be easiest since he's more than halfway there and his claim isn't the most believable one I've heard. Either way, we need to agree on a lynch.

And I'm keeping my vote on Meeseeks until I find a better name.

[KuroiXHF]

You know, I knew the last vote count from Antihero wasn't accurate, but I didn't know why I didn't just make a non-official one.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

Today needs to be done and over.

[KuroiXHF]

And yes, I knew I said I wasn't so inclined to vote SirCakez, but that's because I couldn't figure out if he was scum or not. At this point with the time left remaining, we don't have the luxury to dance around.

[KuroiXHF]

You know what. I don't blame you for doubting me on that one, MoI. That didn't come across the best way, but I'm getting a bit anxious with this day phase. Maybe even a bit frustrated too.

SirCakez's last post pinged me. "You're dying either way" sounds like he's a vengeful role.

[KuroiXHF]

Mobile post

Neother of our claims are alignememt indicative. Can we please stop pretending they are?

[KuroiXHF]

Neother of our claims are alignememt indicative. Can we please stop pretending they are?

Then why did you move your vote from Mees if it wasn't alignment indicative and you were supposedly scum-reading him?

I'm going to vote where there is traction as long as it's not someone I town-read. When there's little time, there's little choice.

[KuroiXHF]

mathematically speaking, there is a 45% chance of there being no scum in a three-player neighbourhood (59% in a two player, 35% in a four player), so ehh on your comment statistically

Where did you get that number?

I don't buy this at all, considering I'm in the hood with you

Hood... as in hood milk. You're Calcium, aren't you?

I'll just get my claim out now
I'm Francium

Fuck.

Vengeful Reactive Neighbor
Anyone who targets me will be told I'm Francium

...What is that supposed to do? That seems kind of useless. Sure, it verifies your character, but not your alignment.

antihero literally says in his ruleset not to expect extensions

so dont mind me while i dont expect an extension

I would really prefer it if you didn't say things that I agree with. It makes it that much harder for me to lynch you if it comes down to it.

So we've had two claims at no-where near L-1 ...

How is L-2 nowhere near L-1? Isn't it... y'know... right next to it?

[KuroiXHF]

...how does Yttrium not fit the flavor? The flavor is science - you pick.

If the choices I gave SirCakez are all strains of genital herpes, he'd have to accept it.

[KuroiXHF]

i dont honestly feel that claiming the name of my action would make my claim more valid. i believe it would give scum some info from which to try and guess the role

This is giving me a scum vibe. "I kind of want to say my role, but I shouldn't."

I already kind of want to switch back, but I really want a vote count update from Antihero.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi vote Shos, he's scum

I really want to know what the current vote standings are.
But I'm also really lazy.
I hate this limbo.

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: Shos

I was hoping to see a vote count before, but like I said, we have no time.

[KuroiXHF]

Whoop! Superquick wagon of 6 votes! That happens on scum D1 pretty often!

..go through the wiki. It is an element for CRT screens, part of YBCCO as ive saod before, causes lung cancer...nothing at all that can be used for investigative. At all.

Holy shit. We're not playing House Mafia. I would know - I'm the mod.

But you're clearly an element.

Cake, Meeseeks, are you all in the same neighborhood?

[KuroiXHF]

Not Shos was talking about his own element, being cancerous and in a CRT TV.

[KuroiXHF]

Thanks for correcting me. In that case, I'm really beginning to think that Shos is bussing Meeseeks. Shos has been nearly quiet this game until he's been pushed for the lynch and he's hardest on him. Not on SirCakez. Not on Fire Assassin. Meeseeks.

Shos isn't even contributing, so I'm fine with this hammer.

[KuroiXHF]

PEOPLE.

WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.
I WAS VLA FOR A WEEK.

I am now literally in the airport waiting in a line with mothing to do trying to get on a plane home

Are you seriously accusing me of being inactive on vla

I do not see anything in your ISO that suggests a v/la.

What I do see is a post every day pretty much consecutively for most of the game.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol kuroi modposts are not enough?

Meeseeks is partially right. More than that, it voids out your v/la if you keep talking in game.

Being on V/LA while still being active is like telling my boss that I'm on vacation, but still showing up. I'm not going to get both work and vacation time at once.

[KuroiXHF]

http://www.ispsd2016.com/ This is what popped up when I Googled it. I have no idea what this is or what you're talking about.

And I think you're assuming that I assume others are automatically sportsmanlike.

I don't. I assume people do what it takes to win.

[KuroiXHF]

You're right. This is a stupid discussion.

I'm not doubting you were there, although if I were really giving a fuck, I would do some digging, find out your name and make phone calls.

But I don't, especially since my business is that you were active enough to contribute.

But again, I'm not posting about this again. I care about your actions here, not outside of the game.

[KuroiXHF]

Aneninen popped up right after Shos was lynched.

How convaneninent.

[KuroiXHF]

The only thing I do better than scum hunt is make puns.

It appears I'm also not good for much else.

[KuroiXHF]

Lol, I'm drunk enough for posting this but you must be good enough for your wife TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
(However, I got married a couple of weeks ago, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)

Clotildize: SirCakez

I did too. We didn't get married, were we?

Also, what the hell did you just do to Cakez?

[KuroiXHF]

Friday the 13th ends in the number 3.

Half Life 3 Confirmed.

[KuroiXHF]

As I said, I KNOW that I managed to show up at the worst possible moment.

Investigate/JK/Vig/Whatever me. Period.

But now I need to sleep.

So Anen is a BP Godfather who will not be sending in his team's Nightkill. Go it!

I disagree. Aneninen is bluffing. People with investigative roles aren't going to search someone welcoming the search; they'll search someone begging them not to search them.

Well - search 'em, guys.

[KuroiXHF]

I guess that's a signal.

*raises hand* I'm town too, if that's what you're asking.

[KuroiXHF]

Ok, so I noticed anti hasn't posted since I requested to be replaced so I am assuming it's ok to stay in this game. A lot has gone down, and I am pretty sure I know who scum is. Shos
I am helium, in the hood with me seeks and cakes. I am a double voter, which I think doesn't fit with my element, so shos' argument is invalid.

Ok. Who's scum?

[KuroiXHF]

UNVOTE:

[KuroiXHF]

Same here. I have no idea.

[KuroiXHF]

Probably Magna wasn't told any more than we are about what his role did. GIF is probably the same alignment as shos was or whatever.


I still want to lynch Meeseeks and Fire Assassin. Maybe Anen too.

GIF didn't do much. Why did you think they're of the same alignment? Do you think they both went to that convention?

...i think thats everything i promised to claim. that took way too much effort. oh well.

...Why did you feel the need to claim?

I strongly think that we'll be able to sort Meeseeks out in either way Today.
Do not rushvote, I bet someone shall tell us something about him.

VOTE: Aneninen
I'm going back to this.

[KuroiXHF]

There was a bunch of heat on you yesterday. But there's none on you now. You're nowhere close to being lynched, and you're basically just helping scum with that claim.

I mean, I know you get spooked easily, but the claim just wants me to vote you because it seems meant to make people not want to vote you.

[KuroiXHF]

That's not true. Even for a good while after the claim, most of us were still on you. We were talking about lynching you up until lynch time. It's only until we decided to lynch Shos that we jumped off. So I'm going to say this, for better or for worse: We didn't lynch you because you weren't scummy. We didn't lynch you because someone else was scummier.

[KuroiXHF]

...I'll try this again.

People already scum-read you.

It's a brand new day on Day Two.

No one is voting you.

You fully claim with no pressure on you.

Town focus more on scum hunting.

Scum just care about not being voted out.

Your hope is that people will buy your claim so that you aren't voted.

Your actions align more with scum behavior than town.

Preview Edit: I jumped off you because it looked like we were going to lynch Cakez. More people believed you already, and we were running out of time. I didn't town read Cakez so I was fine with it.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm growing frustrated with you. And I can see that you're growing frustrated with me, which is why you're voting me. I'm just going to leave this alone because I don't have a strong enough drill to crack through that thick skull. I'm going to hope that you're just a townie with no interest in scum hunting but rather, with self-preservation.

[KuroiXHF]

Nothing in your last post was evidence of you scum hunting. You saying you scum hunted isn't scum hunting. There's also no correlation between claiming and scum hunting.

Even if you were scum hunting, all of it would be for naught because you're voting for someone because you're frustrated with them.

[KuroiXHF]

oh shit, i made a few posts without scumhunting. big fucking deal?? you honestly voted me for daring to make a single post where i didnt scumhunt? like shit dude, thats a little ridiculous

You still don't understand me. It's getting to the point where I'm questioning if you've even bothered to think about what you've read. Your last post was meant to signify where you've scum hunted. I didn't see that anywhere.

I know you didn't scum hunt in the last couple pages - actually, at all since the beginning of Day Two. That's not in dispute.

I'm accusing you of not scum hunting since the beginning of the game.

no im voting you for having a scumread which seems ultimately artificial and fake because i dont think its a rational chain of thought for anyone to take

Okay.

do you know what its called when you put pressure on someone and question them? scumhunting

Don't try to use that on me. You've been defending yourself since the beginning of the day, before anyone was even on you. You've even admitted that you weren't scum hunting in the last couple of posts, which included when you voted me.

so, why are you voting aneninen?

Because he's scummy as fuck. Even scummier than you.

[KuroiXHF]

I find yesterday most unfortunate. Note that I am not apologizing for the lynch nor my role I am merely stating that it is unfortunate that it happened. Not that it is my fault, which it isn't.

For the record I was starting to come around on MoI town but I want to figure things out again before I start doing anything here.

Why does this sound faker than Taco Bell's shredded cheese?

[KuroiXHF]

shhhh don't tell him

Don't tell who? KFC? They often share the same building. I'm obligated to tell KFC about Taco Bell's cheese. It's only the right thing to do.

[KuroiXHF]

You know, I could also quote every post I've ever made, but I'm not going to wade through this unimpressive wall. I never said that you didn't scum hunt. I said you didn't scum hunt enough and I stand by that. From the amount that you post (You post 50% more than Travelling Salesman, the next largest poster. You post nearly double the amount I do, the third amount), that wall should be much longer.

[KuroiXHF]

Technically, you're right. I misspoke. I figured the "enough" was implied.

Good job, sir. You've out-semantic'd me.

[KuroiXHF]

Right. I stand by that. I meant to write that you've barely scum hunted since the beginning of the game.

I'm actually embarrassed I forgot to write that.

From when I've made that post, you have

not

scum hunted in Day Two. I still stand by that.

[KuroiXHF]

As much as I'd love to lynch Meeseeks, I'm thinking this might be a bit too convenient.

[KuroiXHF]

Time for an updated read list:

Strong Town/Definitely Not Lynching:

Me!

Lean Town/Not Lynching:

ChilledTea, Javajoe24

Null/Will Lynch If I Have To:

SirCakez, GuyInFreezer, Travelling Salesman, Cabd

Lean Scum/Willing To Lynch:

SheldonCooper, FireAssassin

Strong Scum/Want To Lynch:

Aneninen, Mr. Meeseeks

Notes:

- Cabd is the towniest of all my nulls.
- FireAssassin is the towniest of all my scum reads, but I'm still fine with voting him.
- GIF is kind of unsorted still because of lack of information.
- It would violate the rules for me to explain Chilled, but he's jumped up as town and probably the strongest town read I have.

[KuroiXHF]

Towniest of scum means nullest of scum or basically, the least of the scummy of the people I put into my scum reads. I'm not so sure why that phrase has upset you so much.

As far as your other reads, I don't know what to tell you. If your read list is different than mine, then I think you're defending scum - whether or not you realize it.

[KuroiXHF]

So... was GIF supposed to come back?

Because I see him nowhere.

[KuroiXHF]

So Francium.

Is it towny flavor or scummy flavor

This is not a good catch up.

Please tell me you have more reads.

[KuroiXHF]

So Francium.

Is it towny flavor or scummy flavor

This is not a good catch up.

Please tell me you have more reads.

What better way to start the day than discussing a random report that I received?

Reading the game would be better, because I'm pretty sure SirCakez told us all about Francium.

Spoiler: Francium

What we all know is that it's NAI. He could be town, scum or neither.

[KuroiXHF]

Don't worry. I'll try to be less obviously scum next time.

[KuroiXHF]

Also, a note that I made a mistake and that mistake won't be revealed until need be. But documenting it now lest "liek omg cabd you're making this shit up"

I figured it out. Your role is based off computer science. You're Ctrl+Z.

I win.

[KuroiXHF]

Either Aneninen has been working since 3 AM or he's just flying under the radar.

At least Meeseeks is honest about being lazy.

[KuroiXHF]

GiF/ChilledTea/Java.

How does that sound to everyone?

I'm just skimming until I get to a computer but I'm going to call an aneninen , meeseeks fire assassin scum team

[KuroiXHF]

It was two posts because I was joining in the conversation that magna started.

It was a strange post and I wasn't 100% sure of the motive behind it. It could have been a townslip, it could have been a person pretending to be town going too far. I didn't scum read him at that time for it.

The reality of this is that unless you've made up your mind on which it is, all you know is that it's not a null-slip. Either you think I'm lying or you don't. Make up your mind and move forward. I was excited for science so I went for it. I didn't read the fine print. I've said this already, so yeah.

[KuroiXHF]

Point it out. I'm fine with that. I just would really rather not dance around an issue like that.

Anyway, I'm asking everyone for some more votes on Aneninen.

[KuroiXHF]

Y'know, I'm not sure what the case is against Chilled. Can someone please shed some light?

[KuroiXHF]

Why are Gif and Kuroi townread?!

Can't speak for GIF but I'm town. That's why.

And your catch up was terrible.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aneninen
So terrible I unvoted you, just so I could vote you all over again.

Also, no one is explaining to me why ChilledTea is scum. We have so much time on our hands. This is a scum wagon. Please redirect your votes to Aneninen.

[KuroiXHF]

That's not happening. Period.

Why not? You haven't scum hunted. You've tunneled, pretty much to death (or at least that was your intention.)

You've given us no reason you aren't scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Obviously he hasn't a case for this. He switched to Aneninen.

And how is his wagon terrible?

And what's your reasoning for Javajoe?

[KuroiXHF]

Because it's clearly a counterwagon to scum!CT and Java

I've already explained my Java scumread more then once

Oh, really?

354 - You say how you hate how much he's lurking.
362 - You said that if he's lurky, he's scum. Fine.
374 - You put him in your lynch pool. Okay.
422 - You say others contribute more. Alright.
433 - You say Meeseeks or Java is scum. I agree, but in different ways. You think Java is scum. I say Meeseeks is scum.

So I'm fine with your scrutiny, UNTIL you say this:

481 - "Java may be town" That takes away everything you've said before. If you've scum read him the entire time, he's finally turned you around.

Then your next post that talks about him is:

"We need someone in the Javajoe slot" - Which basically says nothing to him except that he lurks.
739 - The only thing that says something other than his activity or lack thereof, and it's vague.
774 - You said Java is scummiest out of everyone in the neighborhood. So you said that he's scummiest, but not why.
798 - You're convinced Java is scum but not said why.
848 - Told Java that he didn't give a case for his vote. (It's actually quite hypocritical since you didn't give a case, either.)

[KuroiXHF]

what time is it

time for another prodge

ill do something this evening but right now im too busy watching my economy getting fucked up the arse

You can do both, but do something. More specifically, bus aneninen

[KuroiXHF]

SirCakez, but you said you've explained his scum read twice. You haven't. Lack of engagement is not a reason. It's NAI.

[KuroiXHF]

That's because ChilledTea is town.

[KuroiXHF]

I am unhappy with Aneninen, Fire Assassin and GIF not providing votes to anyone.

It kind of doesn't surprise me how the three I just named, two of the three I call scum.

[KuroiXHF]

You're still really stretching it, Cakez, but you have a point. Joe is null, but I'm not going to vote him today - unless my vote is going to mean the difference between a no lynch and a lynch.

I came into this post scum reading you more SirCakez, but this seems like town frustration.

God damn it.

[KuroiXHF]

Chilled, you don't town read me only because I town read you, do you? What makes me town in your eyes?

[KuroiXHF]

I am unhappy with Aneninen, Fire Assassin and GIF not providing votes to anyone.

It kind of doesn't surprise me how the three I just named, two of the three I call scum.

What does not voting have to do with a person being scum exactly?

Just to entertain you I will vote:
VOTE: Chilledtea

You get your hands dirty when you vote. You have to give reasons and defend them. You have to justify them and at least make it appear that you're trying to scum hunt. Your voting is now just halening because you're pushed

And now you're solid scum. I'm lynching your scum buddy, Aneninen then I'll vote you tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Anen is town. please stop.
the case on him is basically that he isn't producing content. that doesn't make him scum.
Adenine has a very, very distinctive scum meta and I'm not seeing it whatsoever here. I have literally misread him once over like 15 games together, and I was initially scumreading him there anyway.
I don't want to have to out myself, town do not vote him. I'm happy to vote Java or GiF as well at this point.

Let me get this straight. You are betting your life that aneninen is town.

[KuroiXHF]

Sorry. Mobile post. That's meant to be a question

[KuroiXHF]

You didn't answer my question, Sheldon. Are you so sure that Aneninen is town that you're willing to bet your life on it?

[KuroiXHF]

I don't even understand you, TS. You're voting me, not because I somehow jumped from strong town to scum to you, but because I'm a strong

town read

to you?

How is that supposed to make sense?

[KuroiXHF]

You're right, TS. Sorry about that. At work with four hours of sleep means I'm not on point.

But yeah, Aneninen is voting me. I didn't see that coming.

[KuroiXHF]

If you're town, vote Aneninen. If Sheldon was really confident about him being town, I wouldn't have needed to remind him. I also think he's lying to get brownie points.

[KuroiXHF]

I was hoping for a shocking turn of events about Aneninen, but Sheldon's lackluster at best.

[KuroiXHF]

Anen is town. Strong town vibes from him.

Didn't like kuroi saying "fire is scum, but I will vote him after anen". That makes little sense to me because anen lynch is not happening today.

So far, it only appears that you and Sheldon thinks he's town. Not being lynched today? He's more than half way there. I'm more than prepared to vote for Fire and if I didn't think a Sheldon lynch was going to happen, I'd vote him. Fire isn't happening, though, and the votes reflect that. If circumstances change and Fire/Aneninen's votes are flipped, I'll vote Fire today.

[KuroiXHF]

Cakez just said the wagon was terrible. That doesn't mean he won't vote him. But even if you're right, there's 11 people here. If three don't vote him, there are eight who may. With a six-person threshold, his lynch is most definitely viable.

I mean, how is this guy

not

lynched already?

[KuroiXHF]

I'm pretty sure I've played four games with him, I think. Most, if not all, were town. And his play here is quite different.

[KuroiXHF]

I hate to say it, Sheldon, but I've just realized I'm being hypocritical - tunneling Aneninen on his scum act, which began around the same time he started tunneling me.

That doesn't mean I'll unvote him. The lynch potential is there and I really think he's scum.

[KuroiXHF]

So TS, while I have you here, I've heard your opinions on ChilledTea but since it's the other major wagon currently, what's your thought on the wagon?

Would it also be something you may support?

[KuroiXHF]

Fair enough. Meeseeks is on my top three. I'm open to that lynch. I just don't know if he's sticking around. If he is, I want him to do more or I'll vote him. If he's not and someone replaces him, I want to see what his replacement has to say.

But in this state of limbo, I'm hesitant.

[KuroiXHF]

I agree. I'm not dead set on a hammer today. I just don't want to be in a position where our votes are completely scattered and we have two days left, like Day One.

[KuroiXHF]

I don't even understand you, TS. You're voting me, not because I somehow jumped from strong town to scum to you, but because I'm a strong

town read

to you?

How is that supposed to make sense?

Do you think I intentionally mistook Travelling Salesman for Aneninen? Do you think I'm trying to lynch Travelling Salesman?

This is the first post from you that reads as coming from scum that I have picked up on...

I hate to say it, Sheldon, but I've just realized I'm being hypocritical - tunneling Aneninen on his scum act, which began around the same time he started tunneling me.

That doesn't mean I'll unvote him. The lynch potential is there and I really think he's scum.

Then here is number two. Somewhat backtracking

It's realizing that I've made a mistake. I didn't backtrack. Aneninen is still scum. I just realized I'm going about it the wrong way.

[KuroiXHF]

I'm not saying your scum, just pointing out things I noticed that I felt was scummy. Up til then I had not seen you act scummy at all. Still a town read for me though

Well that's obviously untrue since you've voted me back during Day One, but I didn't accuse you of accusing me.

What's your read on Meeseeks?

[KuroiXHF]

Aneninen is not going to be lynched today, it seems. At least, someone investigate him since we're so abundantly full of investigators.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, I'll do my full read a bit later on.

[KuroiXHF]

429/430 look like scum-scum interactions.

so yeah, thats my claim. its honestly not that good an investigative especially considering the priorities, and i was hoping that my claim would draw a nightkill. alas.

^It's basically a tracker/watcher hybrid, but instead of getting a list of all the positives (which would be a GODLY role), I instead must target

exactly

the right people. I still think I can get a guilty if I'm lucky, or confirm a claim if I'm less lucky.

And it's at this point I realize I probably shoulda been pointing out posts that are scum even without interactions.
747 felt like a scum post.
749 felt like scum-scum interactions.

791 feels like scum interactions.
798 feels like scum interactions.

Ranger, your posts are very vague. You main scum list is Travelling Salesman, Sheldon and SirCakez. I'm fine with the fact that I only really agree with Sheldon as scum. What I'm not fine is that you add around the same amount as Meeseeks, just provide it in a much more logical way.

[KuroiXHF]

Alright fuck this.

VOTE: Ranger

I'm probably about to vote Ranger too, but this is ATE at its finest.
In fact, your entire defense has been ATE.

[KuroiXHF]

Logic is the only weapon we have. If you intended on being emotional this entire game, you're useless to town. Since I already scum read you...

VOTE: Sheldon

[KuroiXHF]

You're claiming that Meseeks/Ranger is your major scumread yet you're voting someone who is cross voting with them.

Does anyone in this game actually think Kuroi thinks we're bussing?

I'm voting you because I already suspecting you as scum and because you're using emotion instead of logic to find scum.

Like seriously? Even shitty scum hunters at least try to use logic.

[KuroiXHF]

You're calling me a shitty scum hunter? are you fucking kidding me?

you're a fucking catastrophe Kuroi.

No. If you used logic, you'd know I didn't call you a shitty scum hunter. I'm saying you're not a scum hunter. You just blindly vote whomever is pissing you off. I'm actually surprised you're not voting me now.

[KuroiXHF]

Kuroi you have never been right about a single read that you've had in a game with you. I'm ignoring you for a reason, screw off.

You scum read both Ranger and Fire Assassin, just like I do.
You are factually wrong.

[KuroiXHF]

LOL. Now you're just making me want to troll you. I have to deliberately force myself not to.

How was this my first when I voted Meeseeks (now Ranger) since 225, three weeks ago today. And I also voted Fire Assassin since yesterday

[KuroiXHF]

Every one you've ever voted - or rather, anyone has ever voted, except for Shos, has failed to get lynched also.

That's the thing about this game. Voting someone doesn't mean they'll be lynched, but it does show you're trying to get them lynched.

And telling me that you're town doesn't mean that you're town. I listen to what people do, not what they say. And you've been disengaged from town for most of the game.

[KuroiXHF]

Is my impulse but quite frankly I may be overreacting.

VOTE: FA

Y'know, maybe we can vote Aneninen tomorrow.

[KuroiXHF]

Wait. I think Fire is at L-1.

I'm intending to hammer.

This is a good time to claim.

[KuroiXHF]

Still in the midst of my readup, but

Mod, are you certain about the vote count? I swore Fire Assassin was at L-1?

[KuroiXHF]

Sheldon is not a player who avoids bussing and you pretending not to know that pings the fuck out of me when you definitely do know who he is.

Seeing as you just said that he doesn't avoid bussing makes me think you know who he is, so why does it ping you that Fire knows?

I don't want to out him, but.

Out him.

Wait ranger do you really not see who Sheldon is?

I'm pretty sure I do.
And I'm pretty sure my assessment stands true.

Your assessment is not true at all.
Like, you couldn't be more wrong.

Yep. But we'll let Sheldon decide how to handle it I think; I don't want to be impolite, however obvious it is.

He's not Batman. We're not going to torture him.

[KuroiXHF]

Still leaning towards fire assassin's lynch.

At the moment I think {sheldon, fire assassin, ?} is the scum team and I am not sure who the third one is.

You don't think the third would be Ranger? Right now, I'm at Ranger/Meeseeks, Fire and Aneninen, but Sheldon would be fourth on my scumdar.

I just can't get over how much I want to vote Ranger right now. I thought I'd not want to vote her once she replaced Meeseeks. Maybe Meeseeks is just scummy and not actual scum, but she's done nothing for me except throw shade onto Travelling Salesman.

And she did make me want to vote him just a little bit but if there are only three scum and I already have four people I want to lynch, TS is probably not scum.

[KuroiXHF]

Four days left. Let's be mindful of this.

Fire Assassin needs to get lynched rather soon.

[KuroiXHF]

I said, "Let's be mindful of this" for a reason. I was surprised when I saw there were four days. For some reason, I thought we had a week left.

And my brain is too tired from lack of sleep, but if Fire only has three votes, we need to ship up to be ready for hammer so we aren't running around with our heads cut off around deadline.

[KuroiXHF]

I've seen slicker bus attempts.

BTW, you voted Fire Assassin before. Why do you care? Don't you think they're both scum?

[KuroiXHF]

Are my questions really this unreasonable?

Can someone please tell me how my questions are so bad?

[KuroiXHF]

I've seen slicker bus attempts.

BTW, you voted Fire Assassin before. Why do you care? Don't you think they're both scum?

FA is scum but we're lynching Ranger today.

FA won't avoid the lynch. CT won't avoid the lynch. Ranger might.

there's literally no way you could have not known the answer to that question if you made even a cursory effort to read my posts.

I actually just realized I missed that part in 1136. So I'll take responsibility for that.

Still in the midst of my readup, but

Mod, are you certain about the vote count? I swore Fire Assassin was at L-1?

i am not that great at math, but i AM alright at counting.

and i'll have you know i can count all the way up to NINE. without pausing.

jerk

Wow. Words hurt, y'know.
Anyway, as long as you found out FA only has three votes on him. I trust you, science man.

radiantcowbells replaces sheldoncooper

What the?? He didn't even replace out. Does this mean Sheldon was RC's alt?

I think we'll be able to tell if Sheldon is RC's alt. I wouldn't be surprised.
Anyway, what's your read on everything, RC? Why should I unvote you?

[KuroiXHF]

Hey Ranger - am I an RC alt?

[KuroiXHF]

Hey Ranger - am I an RC alt?

I am a Titus alt.

I'm a mith alt.

And yes - I am a mith-alt-logical being.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, I know this sounds stupid, but I just realized who CT was.

ChilledTea.

Yeah, we are not lynching ChilledTea today.

Preview Edit: I thought you were Sheldon, RC. You were TELLING me to lynch Ranger.

[KuroiXHF]

Who is Meeseeks, TS? I honestly expected Meeseeks to be RC.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay. I see the confusion. You used a double negative. I got confused.

[KuroiXHF]

Okay. So here's what I'm getting...

Sheldon = RC = Wants to lynch Ranger.

Travelling Salesman > Calling these guys scum > Meeseeks = Davo > Ranger

I'm apprehensive about TS pu**y-footing around. I've already garnered enough scum reads on Meeseeks=Ranger and I feel either way, his death will tell me a lot.

VOTE: Ranger

[KuroiXHF]

If there are more votes for ranger, there can be more bunnies!

I don't know why you're showing me pictures of bunnies.
I'm already sold on Ranger.

[KuroiXHF]

If anyone hammers FA, even if they flip scum, if I'm still alive I'm going to vote them the rest of the game and never unvote.

VOTE: FA

I actually respect this move, but maybe it's just the rebel in me.

[KuroiXHF]

*waves at SirCakez*

Why hello there! I know you're elsewhere! Posting in other posts but here! Come talk with us! We think you're hip and jazzy and outtasite and other old-people-attempting-to-use-lingo-of-the-lingo-of-the-socially-aptitude-youth!

[KuroiXHF]

I'm sure you're being cautious by unvoting, but it looks like you're really sucking up to RC.

BTW, since it works, answer us, Aneninen. We haven't forgotten about you.

[KuroiXHF]

RC, you need to really stop underestimating me.

Also, you have a very good point about ranger thinking meseeks is rc alt and ranger not realizing who your alt is.

If I can know who sheldon is, ranger should definitely know who sheldon is.

Don't know for sure if that makes her scum but it could since she isn't probably trying to read the game as hard as a townie would.

This is what you call obvious scum v scum interactions.

Am I missing something or is this a scum slip? You're talking to ChilledTea and called this a SvS?

[KuroiXHF]

FYI, I just spoke with Antihero. I'm on my honeymoon and I'll be gone from this Friday to next Friday.

[KuroiXHF]

Did ranger just vote her top town read? Burn this scum.

[KuroiXHF]

So I'm back.

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[KuroiXHF]

Can't we do something else?

This would be a good townie post if you give us a couple ideas of something you'd rather do.

Can't we do something else?

Fire Assassin and probablychilledtea (I'm trusting RC on that second one mainly) are also scum, but Ranger is one of those scumplayers who is going to get harder to lynch as the day wears on because people who will be screaming for her death (me and RC) are going to get nightkilled and people like you and Java are going to keep saying "well i don't want to lynch her because I didn't see what Plot and RC were seeing" and that's not your fault, it's my fault for not being able to present my arguments in a way that you find compelling, but I don't know how many more angles I can approach this from; I've made meta arguments for both her and her predecessor that this isn't how either of them play as town. I've made exclusive to this game arguments accusing her of fairly high level scum play and him of middle of the road scumplay (sorry if he's still reading this but this wasn't one of his better scumgames). I've made PoE arguments about why my townreads are town. I don't know what else to do.

I'm sticking by this. I've been doubting TS this entire game, but I've never doubted his reads. I've only doubted if I could trust them. Thing is, I highly doubt ChilledTea is scum. Fire Assassin? Absolutely. I don't see myself changing votes unless you guys open your eyes and see that Aneninen is the other scum. (Which one leave one more scum - probably RadiantCowbells)

This is 100% not Java's town game

If Ranger townflips he has to go

I'm bothered that you haven't voted Java yet.

Have I mentioned this is a bad wagon yet?
I think i have.

Yeah. It's so bad that you decided to hammer the nail on his coffin.

^ dies tomorrow

Still waiting for that vote.
I mean, Java is town but you don't think so, yet you're not voting him.

Mod: feeling a bit under the weather

(didn't post yesterday because of it),

so V/LA today, maybe tomorrow

, depending on how long it takes to recover.

Sorry.

This just makes me think he hasn't read the last couple of pages. With that said, I don't regret my vote on you. I still hope you feel better.

[KuroiXHF]

are you serious? I sat on a Java vote for like half of day 2

And if you still think he's scum, you'd have your vote on him now. The only time it makes sense to not vote the same person the day after you voted him before was if someone else is more worthy for your vote or if you feel like he doesn't deserve the vote anymore, and I don't see anything that would lead you to believe the former.

Java, I'm actually kind of interested in why you think I'm scum. More-so, I'm curious why you think I'm more deserving of a vote than Fire Assassin, who pretty much begged for the noose after hammering Ranger.

Preview-Edit: Wait, you're a double voter that's also investigative? I'm aligned with the universe. Everything is. The sun is aligned with the universe. The stars are too. A stapler is also aligned with the universe. This is vague, and it's not alignment indicative.

[KuroiXHF]

You're right. I did misread, and I'm sorry about that.

But to clarify, did you say that you got results that I'm universe-aligned yet you think I'm scum? Did I misunderstand you?

[KuroiXHF]

So the result of an investigation someone else makes it likely I'm scum?

The people I've had a hard opinion on either way were:
Aneninen and Fire Assassin

Unless it's a hard opinion on the other direction, in which case, it's:
ChilledTea.

If you've a town reading on Aneninen or Fire Assassin, that doesn't make it likely I'm scum. TvT are common in Mafia games - even though if you're telling me Fire Assassin or Aneninen are town, I'm going to tell you that your information is bad or you're lying.

You having a scum reading on ChilledTea is the only thing that would make any sense because it suggests that I could be having his back, but in my experience, scum tend to distance themselves or at best, null-town them.

Either way, Fire Assassin has done more than 66% claim. It's closer to 100%. I'm about 97% sure that Fire Assassin is scum.

[KuroiXHF]

No. There's nothing about me you can find out by looking at someone else unless you look at my posts, and you've already read a bunch of my posts.

[KuroiXHF]

That's fine. Actually, looking back at my last post, I just realized I misspoke. My last sentence pertains to only last night.

[KuroiXHF]

What's complex differentiable but has a Hausdorff dimension of 4/3?

A Kochy-Riemann snowflake!

What the hell are you doing here? Get back away from the known universe where I sent you!

I mean, where scum sent you.

[KuroiXHF]

More-so, I'm curious why you think I'm more deserving of a vote than Fire Assassin, who pretty much begged for the noose after hammering Ranger.

I actually didn't hammer Ranger at all, I would have hammered if no one else was going to, we were near EOD so even though I was 95% sure it was a mislynch, I wasn't stubborn enough not to hammer. Still, wasn't the one to hammer and somehow that makes me scum. K lol.

I looked over and over again, and I couldn't find GuyInFreezer's hammer, although it says in the lynch vote count that he did hammer. Still, that's besides the point. If you town read him as hard as you have, you wouldn't have voted him.

What's complex differentiable but has a Hausdorff dimension of 4/3?

A Kochy-Riemann snowflake!

What the hell are you doing here? Get back away from the known universe where I sent you!

I mean, where scum sent you.

VOTE: KuroiXHF
Yeah, this can get rope.

Jokes. The single greatest scumtell ever.

[KuroiXHF]

Vote count, mod?

[KuroiXHF]

I agree. Jumping off of me was really bad. He was apparently 66% sure I'm scum but jumped to RC because he didn't like his last post.

Since I was wrong about Ranger/Meeseeks, maybe Java is the third scum. A lot of why I've town-read him has been because of his natural-scummy behavior and the fact that he's a double voter, which has historically been usually town. But if we're in the play style where scum has lots of powers and town has few, maybe Java's power is the double vote.

Difference is, I'm confident in Fire Assassin being scum and I'm not changing my vote unless it's to Aneninen.

[KuroiXHF]

I actually agree with RC on this. Ranger's play yesterday was terrible. I'm actually even willing to bet that everyone who voted Ranger didn't regret their vote, except for maybe Fire Assassin. It's mathematically impossible for everyone who voted Ranger to be scum.

And like I said before, TvT happens all the time.

ALL. THE. TIME. That's how town get lynched. Every lynch that ever happens in any Mafia game require one town to vote for the person being lynched.

So Java, what you're saying makes absolutely no sense.

And no, I never suggested you could turn off your double voting. I don't know how you thought I could have possibly implied that.

[KuroiXHF]

yeah chilled is prob scum

No. He's not, and now that the game ended, I can explain why. I was scum buddies with him in Guns Ahoy, the mini game.

Look at this game and look at that game. His play style is 100% different.

[KuroiXHF]

BTW, there's a difference between an Antihero and a villain and your lack of vote count is blurring the lines, mod. <3

[KuroiXHF]

VOTE: FA

I almost forgot to lunch this dude.
Where are the votes I was promised for

Can we lynch and not lunch him?

I mean, you can be a cannibal if you want too, I guess.

BTW, this is the game that just finished where I was scum with Chilledtea:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66474

[KuroiXHF]

Whose buddy?

[KuroiXHF]

Interesting. You're the first person who's accused us of being scum buddies.

If so, who's our third buddy?

[KuroiXHF]

No he's not. I am the first one to accuse you two of being scum buddies, remember?

VOTE: kuroi

No, and neither does your ISO.

I'm electricity and I'm a one-time flavor tracker, along with another ability I'm not going to name. Not only am I town, but I can pretty much validate flavor claims. So you might want to keep me alive.

Preview Edit: Fire Assassin needs to post more. He's hiding behind this bullshit and flying under the radar.

[KuroiXHF]

Well who did you investigate last night and what was your results?

It was Night one, not last night. And I feel pretty uncomfortable at this moment giving all my actions out. If someone claims a role, I want to be able to verify it.

[KuroiXHF]

I already said it. I want to catch someone in a lie. Likewise, I also don't want to reveal roles if they're important.

Also, Java - you were nowhere near this active any time I've ever played with you. What's changed?

[KuroiXHF]

People have claimed their roles. For example, we know that SirCakez is Francium but I don't want to tell everyone where he's gone or who's visited him.

[KuroiXHF]

Suspicion is cast on you now and it is more important for town to prove your role than to wait to possibly disprove a lie. All you need to do is give your result and have that person prove your role by substantiating the result.

zomgz da pressures on me! *gives in*

[KuroiXHF]

I'm clarifying one of my abilities.

I'm a one-shot flavor tracker.

Example:

Let's say my role is Mario and yours is Luigi it shows:

"Mario visited Luigi" That's it. It doesn't show plays Mario and who plays Luigi.

[KuroiXHF]

I already claimed my role....

Good job. You weren't thinking I knew you were Francium by pulling out a crystal ball, did ya?

People have claimed their roles. For example, we know that SirCakez is Francium but I don't want to tell everyone where he's gone or who's visited him.

Why not when it can prove your claimed role? Your avoidance of this makes you even more sketchy to me than you already were.

I really don't care how you view me. You already have your vote on me. Do you think me telling you what happened night one would change that?

[KuroiXHF]

Fine.

There's a character named Mojo Jojo and he/she visited Yttrium (Meeseeks/Ranger) night one.

Anyone wanna verify that?

[KuroiXHF]

See. I don't like doing this. I feel like I just outted the doctor or something.

[KuroiXHF]

I cannot verify this claim, but why would doctor visit meeseeks?

Some people thought Meeseeks was town, though I have no fucking idea why.

[KuroiXHF]

Mojo Jojo is a villain in the Powerpuff Girls. He's some sort of mad scientist character.

It's a you pick, so I don't see that necessarily as alignment indicative, but Antihero is pretty accepting of picks lol. Electricity was my first choice, which was the most legit but my other ideas was Schrodinger's Cat and Time Travel.

[KuroiXHF]

Now that I'm verified, you may want to unvote me so scum doesn't hammer me.

[KuroiXHF]

So why the hell did I claim?

And yeah, I'm in favor of a mass claim. I can verify a lot.

[KuroiXHF]

Helium expands quite easily and becomes a double voter as the vote expands.

I get it.

[KuroiXHF]

Are you having a seizure or a technological glitch?

[KuroiXHF]

ChilledTea is my strongest town read. (Other than myself.)

So why would I do that?

[KuroiXHF]

because I'll hammer you if you don't.

fucking vote him.

This is scummy play. And when I say scummy, I don't mean a Mafia play. I mean an asshole play.

VOTE: ChilledTea

[KuroiXHF]

FA is an option as well.

FIRE ASSASSIN IS WHO I WAS VOTING! HOLY SHIT!

[KuroiXHF]

I'll go through a vote count a bit later on today.

[KuroiXHF]

*a read list.

Not a vote count.

[KuroiXHF]

{ChilledTea, Guy In Freezer}
{Cabd, SirCakez}
{JavaJoe24}
{RadiantCowbells}
{Fire Assassin, Aneninen}

I'd like to see more read lists by others too.