Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]

[Aneninen]

I know this is the most terrible gamestart anyone can imagine but

mod: I'm on V/LA until Friday.

Because of all the things I need to do IRL I don't think I'll be able to do anything useful in the next two days.

Also,

VOTE: SheldonCooper

Because his theory is clearly wrong.

[Aneninen]

Back.

6 pages... that's not too much. I'll try to catch up in a detailed way.

[Aneninen]

Catching-up.

This makes me the first poster, and therefore leader of the town.

Bad.

So my first topic discussion I want us all to discuss what were your choices that Antihero didn't pick?

Why would that be a good idea?

VOTE: cabd
Shame shame for no rvs!!

Actually.... I have a reason for this that will become apparent as the game progresses.
UNVOTE:

?

I proved scientifically this morning that this game has no theoretical limits.
It is all imaginary, and therefore we are not limited by our perceptions on what we can or cannot do.

Activates Gate Of Steiner: Ending the Game Before It Began

Whut?
Okay.

Mini 1795: Science U–Pick has ended with a

TOWN WIN

.

Science Fact of the Day! Science Fact of the Day! Everyone Loves the Science Fact of the Day! Today's Important Integer (tm) is 6! Make a note of it!

Good.
What did you measure for getting that?

Oh sweet. Plotinus is here. I've come prepared with the magical powers of Pseudo Science! I will kill you by throwing you off the end of the Earth! And it's OK because I'm a Saggitarius and you're a Virgo so we don't mesh well. The alignment of the stars have made it so.

Can't we talk about the alignment of electrons instead?

I'm getting married

Are you? Congratulations!

Oh dear lord, I hardly think your degree in ornithology qualifies you to say that I'm wrong in a science game.

Oh Gods, that was an RVS.
You are emitting.

Ok, so you guys know, I am a double voter. I hinted at it earlier and that's the reason I unvoted after my first vote.

Okay.

Marie Curie's husband, Pierre, is thought by many in france to have suicided after being driven into madness by physicis Langevin. In truth, he actually got ran over my a carriage :/

Confirmed.

But do you want to know who's fluffing more than I do?
Him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole

A black hole is a region of spacetime exhibiting such strong gravitational effects that nothing—including particles and electromagnetic radiation such as light—can escape from inside it.

I voted MoI following 56 because I was super sketched about about his willingness to consider a proven doublevote confirmed town as well as his inclination to not believe an extremely easily disprovable claim.

No. I think Magna's idea was valid.

uh-oh

seems like we got scum!
VOTE: Java

Why?

Going on soon.

[Aneninen]

Please and thank you from your

friendly neighborhood assassin

.

...?

Show me an example of a single scum double-voter in a 10-3 setup.
I am serious in this request.
And don’t respond with “Outguess the Mod”.

I don't care that it was addressed to someone else, but it's still Outguessing the Mod.
It's a U–Pick. The Setup may have weird PRs and be balanced in a weird way.
I simply don't think speculations like this help us scumhunt.

Anen and Bella both did it in the Odds. Jake did it in the last game I ICed. I think it worries them not knowing where I stand.

^^
How true.

I also though Aneninen's entrance was overly apologetic.

Or I simply think it's a pigeon poop thing to start a game with a V/LA.

I'm quite heavily townreading Travelling Salesman because I feel like the setup spec was genuine here and 86 really felt like someone trying to solve the game.

Erm... Plotinus-head! Didn't I posted the same as scum in The Odds?

Actually the rest of Sheldon's post sounds like "how to make many friends and very few enemies".

I have a decent town read on Sheldon Cooper.

Please, show me his townposts.

With Anti's setup Doublevoter is probably town.
Unless he went more sadistic since the last time I played his game which is still a possibility.

More Setup speculation.
And apart from your two early posts... was that everything you were able to add?

Haven't completed reading yet but we have got our scum.

VOTE : SirCakez

Why?

wait i think i figured it

Why am I voting you, then?

i mean i havent done much

That.

[Aneninen]

also i am

incredibly

tempted to vote you because holy shit youre metaing an alt, i dont care if i did it "on this account" but the last time someone tried this they were scum so dont mind me if i get immediately suspicious

VOTE: travelling salesman

Obvious OMGUS is obvious.

VOTE: Cabd

woahwoahwoah so you feel that sheldon made a contradiction in voting you and stuff etc but you instead voted cabd for... some reason? calling someone scummy and then not voting someone while voting someone with little reason is a pretty nice tell, thanks for that!
VOTE: magnaofillusion

Oh good. Although it was talked about later in his post, he posted his own vote for Magna after the Cabd-vote.
Why do I think that both Meeseeks and Sheldon are scum?

oh shit, it's anen :S

Spoiler:

PROBLEM?

Right now I'm happy with my vote where it is.
Meeseeks can be scum too.

[Aneninen]

'Oh no, walls', said Aneninen.
'Oh no, Aneninen', said the walls.

In other words, catching up soon.

[Aneninen]

seriously though im not scum, please stop wasting your time on me and it would be better for everyone involved

Good.
I've stopped.

And that's everything I can tell now.

All those walls are tiring and I don't think we're getting anywhere in that way. However, I do think scums are among those players who have posted little-to-no content in the last 1–2 days.

If the Plot-head is posting, he looks the same as the town-Plot I know. The same goes for Shos. Both of them are good players so I might be wrong, but I don't think I could catch any of them right now.
ChilledTea, however, looks different.

[Aneninen]

You're much more "I want to explain everything". (Yet you haven't explained your read on me.)
However, that's a mere impression right now.

[Aneninen]

I know I said the opposite before, but now I don't think Meeseeks would be a good lynch.

[Aneninen]

I know I said the opposite before, but now I don't think Meeseeks would be a good lynch.

why

I'm unwilling to explain it right now.

[Aneninen]

lol
I asked because anen spoke of the plotinus head, and I was trying to figure out who he was talking to, without talking to him because see, I just have hard time talking to anen lol

Do you remember this:

Jesus fuck anen, it's like, every single game I play with you, there comes a time, (after like 2-3 posts) where I stop reading your posts

I'm currently fine with a meseeks and a Kuroi wagon.

I have terrible feelings about that Meseeks wagon.

You don't think there's game relevant content in post 26, Sales?

VOTE: Cabd

I don't like this. It's not a good reason to vote someone. Be transparent. Naked votes aren't good, especially since that post didn't make it obvious.

I don't think a naked vote that early is a tell.
However, I do think that your "be transparent" rondo is scummy. I don't remember you doing the same in other games you were town in.

*snip*

For the same reasons. I'm still read through today, but right now, I see myself voting Aneninen or Mr. Meeseeks.

Read my posts again then.

VOTE: Shos
I think it's quite clear that he is pretending to scumhunt.
If he's town playing like he is it's no great loss either.

Ghhhhhhhhhh. You haven't played with Shos before, have you?
By the way, Shos, what do you think of this?

Defensiveness is a town attribute. However, over-defensiveness is a scum attribute.

And who defines defensiveness and over-defensiveness? You?

Fuck. That was a town vibe. You're going up to lean scum. By process of elimination VOTE: Meeseeks

What are your other reads?

Also how come you have a read on kuroi so quickly? I definitely want you to explain this read in as many words as possible.

Cakes, I'm parrotting that question.

Chilledtea's last two posts seem likely to me to be scum talking to a partner trying to look like they're distancing while explicitly giving Kuroi an out.I am of the opinion tbat Cakez is far more likely to be scum of the two of them if only one is scum though.

Why?

+1 to being married soon club; it's fucking awesome.

Welcome to the club and gratz!

[Aneninen]

Meeseeks is still scum, guys. If he were town, there'd be more votes on him.

Whut?
Explain this.

Today, I spent a while going through chilledtea's games to see what he's like.

Why did you choose him?
(Although the things you posted are interesting. Especially because I too noticed that his gameplay is different to the one I saw before. Still I want to see his answer to your post.)

[Aneninen]

I think that if me vs meeseeks were a TvT then there would be more opportunistic votes on him.

Why?
And another question: why not on you?
Also, there are others, eg. Shos who are involved in the story.

[Aneninen]

And where's your readlist, Kuroi?

[Aneninen]

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Cabd, Traveling Salesman, MagnaofIllusion
Null/Unsorted: FireAssassin, Javajoe24, Shos, SirCakez
Lean Scum: Aneninen, GuyInFreezer, SheldonCooper, ChilledTea
Strong Scum: Meeseeks

Notes:
- GuyInFreezer rings me as scummy as saying he's going to catch up on Sunday and Wednesday, he's not here. He'll probably go back to null if he doesn't respond to the prod.
- I want to scum read Javajoe, but he's scummy in nearly every single game I play with him. It's too premature to sort.
- I've liked what SheldonCooper has been saying this game and I even expected to put him in lean town but a review of his ISO shows that he's been a bit superficial with his words. He's here a lot, but not adding a lot.
- Plotinus is always hard to read, but his scum hunting, even if he's the kind to bus, seems beneficial right now. BnL seems to be a good partner and is following suit.
- I want to vote SirCakez, but this fits with his town meta. I don't know what to make of him, so I'm keeping him there.

Notes on notes.
As for GuyInFreezer. It sounded a bit like "do something, scumbuddy!" – but this is a thing we should remember

only if

one of them flips scum and there's no Daytalk.
Why do you

want

to scumread Java? You seem to have more than enough scumreads without him!
Your Sheldon read is hazy. You like him but you don't like him.
As for Plotinus/BnL, I agree, but that "even if he's the kind to bus" part pings me in the wrong way. As if you knew his alignment.
And SirCakez, another one whom you

want

to vote, but because his meta he's town... again, this

would

make sense if you

didn't

have five scumreads.
And your strongest scumread is the one who's the leading wagon...

This looks like a fabricated readlist. Also, your townplay I know is much less "soft".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kuroi

[Aneninen]

I've been thinking about the whole TravellingSalesman/ChilledTea argument. I don't know why, but it doesn't feel like town-vs-town, but, unfortunately, I don't know which one of them is scum.

[Aneninen]

And I am scumreading Meeseeks. This is really awful reasoning for a scumread. Like my townread on you just sank like a rock, that's how fake I think this is.

I strongly think Meeseeks is a planned mislynch by some scums.

VOTE: Aneninen
Let me put my vote here for now and see if I find the better place to put my vote on.

Case? Or something like that?

Also, as for your readlist in 283. I'd really like to see some reasoning behind.

Am I the scummiest of the science or is this in not any order?

And that was a weird question about that readlist. Why did you care your rank amongst the

townreads

?

unvote

. Anan, on 235, what sis you wnt my okinion about?

You may have meant my 234. It was about Sheldon's 224 – it looked as if he'd been searching for a reason to vote you (and to see whether it works) and I remember doing something similar on Day1, in TheOdds.

I'm still here, nothing to add right now of importance

???

I'm still here, nothing to add right now of importance

I don't think this is alignment indicative, Joe, but this is definitely an area of improvement. If you're telling me that you read through everything and you don't have a single question to ask anyone, you're not looking hard enough.

I'd recommend you go back and read everything again. If someone does something that feels out of place. If there's something that needs explanation. If the flow is off, speak up.

We don't find scum by having nothing to add.

Java's was indeed null, but I didn't like this reaction. It sounded very artificial, maybe because it pointed out obvious things. What was the need for that post, Kuroi?

[Aneninen]

Walls.

[Aneninen]

Because I townposted too much earlier.

Telling how town you are doesn't make people townread you.

What do you think of shos, then? Also, you remember in the odds when I was mislynching spiffeh, both you and Bella were on the wagon. Sheeping town who are wrong about something and letting them take the fall for it is okay scumplay.

Are you saying that Shos's been doing so?
I don't know what to think of him, but he's not in my Top3 scumreads.

But I'm the one pushing the Meeseek's lynch, so. I was the one who started it, I'm the one claiming to be able to read him. If Meeseek's is a mislynch, I'm the one who is going to end up strongarming it through. Are you calling me scum and if so why are you doing it so circumspectly?

At that point there were only 2 votes on MeeSeeks, but there are others tiptoe-ing around that wagon. I'm scumreading Kuroi (who's on) but there could be someone else among those "tiptoe-ers". As for you, I've already explained. Your interaction with ChilledTea doesn't look town-vs-town, but I can't sort it out yet which one of you is/are scum. And you even qouted this part in your post...

Why not? I suggested to bnl that we give him a little bit of space to see what he did with it, because sometimes players can get backed into a corner and not be able to dig themselves out (like you remember with Spiffeh in the Odds). Why can't it be that a newer player genuinely expects that everyone who is not bad at mafia should be able to read them accurately when they only have 3 posts? Why can't it be that I genuinely thought he was behaving strangely and pushed on that? I'm not sold on towntea yet but I do want to see what he'll do when i'm not anklebiting him. Do you think scum are more likely than town to respond to being scumread by turning it into a pissing contest about who is a better player?

Why do I think this was a preemptive excuse for a situation ChilledTea would flip town in?
You may be right about the "a newer player genuinely expects..." part, but I still think either you or him is scum. Even if I can't put my finger on it, why.
As for the "pissing contest", I don't think it's an alignment tell.

[Aneninen]

why?

Not answering this but you should know the answer.

I don't know how I feel about this reaction. Yeah, you're obviously the one who started the Meeseeks lynch and if you look at the vote count, I'm right by your side, but I take issue with the "Are you calling me scum?" It seems like a challenge and given your reputation here, it sounds like you're expecting people to shy away.

I had the same feeling.

I agree with Anen on this; this kind of feels like you know Meeseeks is scum and are threatening to push me for bussing him on day 2. Also you seem to be the only person in this game who likes my hydra partner's posting. Though I think Anen was calling Meeseeks town for this post? Either way it bothers me.

I don't really have anything to say to this, at least about Meeseeks. As far as bussing goes, I'm voting WITH you. If I'm scum and Meeseeks is scum, wouldn't that mean that I would also be bussing him? Why would you need two scum bussing a third? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Uhhhhhhhhh what sort of answer was THAT?!

Woops.

I forgot part of Aneninen's catch up

:

[...]This reminds me of why I scum read him. He scum reads anything and everything I've typed. This means that unless I'm obvious scum (and by my lack of votes, I'm not) he's either biased-town who is trying to find a reason to lynch me because he thinks I'm scum or he's scum and trying to get me lynched.

I now bump Aneninen down to strong scum.

And there was...

I said that it was townie enough to keep me from lynching him, because at that time, I wasn't sure if I wanted to vote him or Meeseeks.

I actually kind of like Aneninen pushing me, but I'm not confident in town reading him.

I do believe I already posted why I don't think he's town.

WHUT?!

[Aneninen]

Also, that discussion between 317–320.
Frankly, can't we just lynch Kuroi?

[Aneninen]

For the record,

Mod

, I've been in the prod zone.

To tell the truth, I went on with my work so well that I simply didn't want to take a brake for playing. Sorry, everyone!

Tomorrow I'll post.

[Aneninen]

Kuroi shall not be lynched today
/me slaps

But why?

@Anti can you prod Cabd?

This is strange.
SirCakez wanted to get Cabd prodded.
A short later I was deep in the prod zone too. He posted at that time. And there was no such thing from him about me.

I am not contributing to this game the way I would like. If I can't post a full post tomorrow I will Monday, as I am off that day. Really sorry guys, going through a rough divorce right now, court etc.

Feeling sorry.

I think someone asked me if I can present a case or something.
No.

I like GIF attitude, I'll get to this game later.

I didn't like GIF's post, but Fire Assassin's rection was even worse. What did you like in that?!

[Aneninen]

No, I am not saying that. My thoughts about shos are that he never posts very much at the starts of games and prodges for a while but then later on gets into things, in the Odds you remember that most of day 1 he wasn't posting and was saying he'd write later, but then he did do a proper catchup later.

Makes sense.
I'm too unable to get a read on Shos. And you've just described it, why.

Yes, I quoted that part in my post, because I wanted to know why you were saying that, what you thought about it, to share with your thoughts out loud about why it didn't look town-vs-town to you, because if you are going to get in between two people who are having a discussion then you need to take a more firm stance than "two people are talking and i don't know what their alignments are".

Why didn't it look town? That was a feeling and I've already admitted it.

I've been thinking about the whole TravellingSalesman/ChilledTea argument. I don't know why, but it doesn't feel like town-vs-town, but, unfortunately, I don't know which one of them is scum.

I disagree with this. I think TS is town.

Hmmmmm... maybe my reads are wrong.

I looked through GIF's ISO because I couldn't remember if I was townreading him or not. I think I was okay with his catchup at the time but I don't really have a read there and have decided to sheep Cabd on him for now.

He's hardly had content...

town enough: Cabd, Java,
maybe town after all?: tea
nothing he's said bothers me but I don't really have a read: GIF, Magna, Sheldon,
I thought I was townreading him but I don't want to underestimate him: Aneninen
reply hazy try again: Cakes
do something: Fire, shos
are you scum or just unfun: Kuroi
I wish you were town : Meeseeks

What was so town in Cabd?
Am I misunderstanding the position of ChilledTea in your list or your current read on him?
Are there no problems with Sheldon?
Why do you want more from Fire and Shos and not from Cabd and Java?
What does that "just unfun" read mean?

Anen needs to beNKed(pleaaaaasssseee!!!)

...LOL?

Meeseeks, Fire, and Java I think (haven't mentioned Java before, but I hate how much he's lurking). My reads here are muddled.

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
That Java read was very off!
I don't think is lurking more than certain other players!
What if you just want to get rid of him because of his PR?!

I can see this as “Don’t eliminate that easy mislynch we have in Java with set-up analysis”.

Oh really?
What do you think of SirCakez's post above?

For the record this flip is why Town Mees means Anen as very likely scum. There’s no mention of why his read has changed. Just this flip.
And another post that I know is coming but hasn’t arrived yet in my read-through.

Or there has been no explanation because I saw something around that time and I didn't want to point it out because it would be bad to do so?
As for the next part, I have no idea what you've been waiting for.

Anen’s 234 follows my previous thoughts on his posting – a significant amount of words with little conclusions drawn – for example his comment on Sheldon’s 224 looks as if it could be saying he’s scummy but could also be interpreted as not calling Sheldon scummy but misunderstanding Shos’s playstyle.

Erm... I think Sheldon is scummy. Where did I post the opposite?

Where is your readlist Anen?

Soon.

if i knew the answer i wouldnt have asked why, would i? answer the question i asked please

Wellshyt. Either you're dumb or I was misinterpreting something.

You know. If anen and plot were scum together, it is autowin even with 2v12244.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[Aneninen]

Okay, reads.

Meeseeks

– Unless I misinterpreted something earlier he's town.

Magna

– Looks town. Although his "if Meeseks is town, Aneninen is scum" reasoning is bad. (Frankly, Magna, can't you think of a town-gameplay as a reason for that not explaining it thingy?)

Kuroi

– Looks scum. In his latests he's been "over-explaining" things, which is scummy too. (Also, sorry but he'd be an "indicative lynch" – if I'm wrong and he happens to flip town, I think I know two scums.)

Shos

– I'm not even trying to get a read on him on Day1.

SirCakez

– Nullscum. His recents are concerning, see my post above!

TravellingSalesman

– Looks town, but in fact they could go either way later. Not only because of that ChilledTea–TS thread (about which I may be wrong), but also... I think their gameplay could be very similar with any alignment.

Cabd

– Could be town. The only reason for saying this is that I saw his early-scumplay ages before and it was very different. Otherwise, too little content.

Clotilde

– Lean scum. And I've put this line here so as to check whether you're reading me.

FireAssassin

– Could be scum. That post I pointed out earlier was WTF. Too little content.

JavaJoe

– Maybe town? Too little content but nothing has pinged me yet.

ChilledTea

– ??? He's indeed different to his townplay I know and because of some recent things I have doubts on my thoughts about the ChilledTea–TS interaction.

GuyInFreezer

– ??? Too little content. And I don't get his read on me either.

Sheldon

– Looks scum. It was the same before and his recents contain very little content.

[Aneninen]

Wellshyt. Either you're dumb or I was misinterpreting something.

chances are im just being dumb, gimme a hint

only thing i can think of is that youve read something ive said as me softclaiming or crumbing or in some way hinting at my role and are reading me based on that? in which case i can assure you i have not done so and in that case you did misinterpret something

Exactly.
I thought you were hinting having a PR.

[Aneninen]

i mean naturally i do have a pr because everyone has a pr because its an antihero upick game

but no, i never hinted at having a particular pr

I don't auto-assume U–Pick = Role Madness.

At this point I don't think Meeseeks is scum, but for another reason. If he were scum, what would the point have been of this interaction from him with a player who was townreading him?

[Aneninen]

Why do I think Kuroi's 407 was fake?

If possible, I would like the post where you thought meseeks was hinting at a role.

seriously though im not scum, please stop wasting your time on me and it would be better for everyone involved

I read it like "shyt, I'm town-PR so don't make me claim on Day1 pleeeeease!"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: shos
Kuroi slid up to the town list as well.

Why the vote and why the townread?

Also, Sheldon has alt-slipped. Good.

The major wagons of this game are most likely town, in my not so humble and multiple degree possessing point of view. My higher mind requires a Shos lynch or a Java lynch. I could also choose to lynch MoI but I could see him as an obstructionist 'townbeard', whereas Shos and Java I'm quite comfortable scumreading.

Why those?
What's your read on Kuroi?

[Aneninen]

WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED?!

[Aneninen]

I'm town. If you don't believe me, do your jobs, Investigatives!

Why has been Shos lynched?
I wanted to check the thread now or next morning.

[Aneninen]

I'm back from the pub, fuck off!
As I said, throw any Night Action at me you have at hand, I'm afraid of nothing.

OFF

That was a good one with that word, Kuroi! Remind me to include it in the Quote section on the Wiki as I have time to make it.

ON

[Aneninen]

So it was a panic-lynch, wasn't it?

[Aneninen]

Lol, I'm drunk enough for posting this but you must be good enough for your wife TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
(However, I got married a couple of weeks ago, sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo)

Clotildize: SirCakez

[Aneninen]

No, unless you're my wife trolling me by posting with her calculator right now (and pretending to check some data for a birth chart).

From now on SirCakez shall be called Clotilde.

[Aneninen]

oh congratulations!

Cakes would make a good Clotilde, I agree.

Thanks!

And yes, he shall.

I got post 666. Chaos style woo

Gratz.
I'd like to geth post 111825...

[Aneninen]

Think of a 3-digit number.
Multiply it with 7, 11 and 13.
What can you see?
Wow...

[Aneninen]

What point?

And let me be preemptive a bit.
Frankly, investigate me or whatever because I know that I've posted in the silliest moment, which looks terrible...

[Aneninen]

How indeed... if he flips scum I think I have an idea about another scum.

[Aneninen]

As I said, I KNOW that I managed to show up at the worst possible moment.

Investigate/JK/Vig/Whatever me. Period.

But now I need to sleep.

[Aneninen]

I strongly think that we'll be able to sort Meeseeks out in either way Today.
Do not rushvote, I bet someone shall tell us something about him.

[Aneninen]

Meseeks.
Is that all you did last Night?

[Aneninen]

Some work, then I'm posting.

[Aneninen]

Sorry for not having done pigeon poop recently.
This is to change.

[Aneninen]

I have Meeseeks as a townread now, would not vote there.
Java's contributions in the hood were lackluster and his posts outside of the hood have been lackluster.
VOTE: javajoe

Was he posting anywhere else on the site meanwhile?
According to the postcount posted here he posted just as many.

VOTE : Javajoe

I got some weird flavor that suggests people shouldn't be targeting me.
So yeah, there's that.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fire

Where did these come from?

So Francium.

Is it towny flavor or scummy flavor

Is that everything you can say?

[Aneninen]

Why are Gif and Kuroi townread?!

[Aneninen]

VOTE: chilled tea

This is L-1

Can someone summarize the case?

[Aneninen]

That's not happening. Period.

[Aneninen]

Before moving on.

I do know that at least two players visited Meeseeks last Night.

Do not

tell if you're one of them

nor

the nature of your action. I guess at least one of the Night Actions could have been a kind of Investigation. I'd rule out Protection for obvious reasons. Jailkeeping/Roleblocking could have been possible, even from scum side, but in that case the

other

player performing an Action would have shown some unease by now (because of getting No Result, for example).
There hasn't been strong push on Meeseeks, which tells me that there must have been a kind of Town Result on him.

Hence the softclaim. I'm a kind of Investigative, a very weak one, though.

Also,
We seem to be in a Role Madness game. This means,
(1) either there are some Negative Utility PRs on the town side
(2) or some considerably strong PRs on the scum side
(or both)
The latter one may be some kind of Misleading PR, but I wouldn't rule out the presence of a ...scum Doublevoter.

I'm telling this before a kind of quicklynch happens to me, just like it did to Shos. (And we should take a look at that wagon once more!)

[Aneninen]

Was he posting anywhere else on the site meanwhile?
According to the postcount posted here he posted just as many.

Yeah I think he was.
Anen wagon is terrible.

Obviously he hasn't a case for this. He switched to Aneninen.
And how is his wagon terrible?
And what's your reasoning for Javajoe?

This discussion may tell us something.
SirCakez's reasoning wasn't too powerful, but it still pinged Kuroi.
I wouldn't be surprised if both of them were scum. Kuroi's 853 strengthens that.

TravellingSalesman, 857 – is there anything I should answer there?

If you guys are serious about lynching me, then don't do it without giving an intent. This part is important. If you guys fail to heed this, then I do not take responsibility for my lynch since I am frequently limited access these days and I might not see the wagon itself, like in this case the wagon apparently reached L-1 and also went back without me in the picture.

Chilledtea looks like a townie not having enough effort spent on the game.

SirCakez, but you said you've explained his scum read twice. You haven't. Lack of engagement is not a reason. It's NAI.

It is when he specifically avoided talking in the hood, which is apparently a scum tell, and is matching his scum meta to a T.

I did not avoid talking in the hood??? Where is that coming from?

Java seems to be nervous.

There is nothing town about this ISO at all.

Mm-hm.
So, have I been doing nothing useful, some say?
Take a look at FireAssassin then!

What does not voting have to do with a person being scum exactly?

Just to entertain you I will vote:
VOTE: Chilledtea

You get your hands dirty when you vote. You have to give reasons and defend them. You have to justify them and at least make it appear that you're trying to scum hunt. Your voting is now just halening because you're pushed

And now you're solid scum. I'm lynching your scum buddy, Aneninen then I'll vote you tomorrow.

Scum-scum interaction.
Something like

"yeah, I'm so scumreading you, but don't worry, I'm voting for someone else."

VOTE: Anenenenenenenenen

Mm-hm.
So, have I been doing nothing useful, some say?
Take a look at GIF then!

Anen is town. please stop.
the case on him is basically that he isn't producing content. that doesn't make him scum.

That.
(I wouldn't rule it out that Sheldon's Whiteknighting me, though, but he's not my top concern now.)

I would still like to see how Anen replies to my post

Namely?

Cakes is the townest of the neighbours.

He is.

________

There are a couple of players I'm paranoid about – Sheldon, ChilledTea, TravellingSalesman.
There are some I'm townreading – Cabd, SirCakez, Meeseeks.
There's one I really don't like – GIF.
And here's this trio; every one of them looks scummy in him/herself but their interactions with each other make me assume as a team – Kuroi, Java, FireAssassin.

VOTE: Kuroi

(I'm willing to vote for Java or FireAssassin too. I picked Kuroi because my strongest townread is there.)

[Aneninen]

I'd like you to talk some more about your townread on Cabd (I'm townreading him too it's just that he hasn't been doing very much)

For example:

I got some weird flavor that suggests people shouldn't be targeting me.

It was a response to ~someone~ but I don't yet know who.

It sounded like

"dear townies, leave me alone because I'm [Ascetic/Compulsive PGO/Whatever]"

Even if it was fake, I doubt he'd leave until LyLo with this attitude.

and also why you were so ready to townread Meeseeks for claiming an investigative role if you are also an investigative role;

I never auto-assume being in a Role Madness game, not even if it's a themed one.
I thought his way of thinking had been something similar. I read that like

"don't kill me, I have a cool PR!"

. Holding a hardly-better-than-nothing PR I could imagine easily something more powerful.

[Aneninen]

Hi Ranger!

I am so, so sorry that you replaced into a probscum slot.

I didn't like that one.

Welcome to the game Ranger. You are being almost universally scum read right now by most players, not sure why myself though.

Neither this.

@Java: Yeah, that's why she's at L-6.

Im not saying she is close to lynch, I am saying almost all players said that they have a scum read on Meseeks.

And I really didn't like this interaction AFTER those posts above.

[Aneninen]

Two, and this one's harder to explain. I got a very, VERY strong, overwhelming gut feeling (like I said,

partially

for ~reasons~, but not entirely) that told me: "Do not attempt to meta any player this game. It is a trap. No. Seriously.

Do not attempt to meta any player this game.

It is a trap.

" It's kind-of difficult to explain how I got that feeling, it's just sort-of there, where I feel like meta this game will horrendously,

horrendously

mislead us.

I'll keep that in mind.

Ranger, please read at least until the end of day 1 before giving up, you're about halfway there and it gets less wally and faster to read during the deadline scramble.

Eeiiaaoo. That was a terrible answer. Someone seems to be worried about getting a vote from Ranger.

[Aneninen]

Shyt, I wanted to post something more but IRL things.

I know it sounds terrible now but I can don nothing about it.

[Aneninen]

Prod dodge. Something unexpected has shown up.

Feel free for nominating me as a aßhole.

[Aneninen]

UNVOTE:

Maybe some of you can see something that I can't. (As for Kuroi.)
I'm conflicted on TravellingSalesman.
Can someone summarize the case on Fire?
Wouldn't Java be a good idea?

(I try to be quick. And at least do something.)

[Aneninen]

What's the point of talking about "whose alt is who"?

[Aneninen]

Did ranger just vote her top town read? Burn this scum.

I too noticed it.

I'm confirmed town, people want to justicelynch Ranger, FA is most likely from my PoE, and Aneninen needs rope.

Where were you confirmed?
How did you perform that PoE?
What's your case against me again?

TS cop inno'd me and I claimed that I can prove myself town. I'm pretty much confirmed town at this point.

I was away. Can you show me that post?

Especially because I'm pretty much conflicted on TravellingSalesman.

[Aneninen]

As I said, there were at least two players besides me visiting her Last Night.
If she were scum, someone would have posted their result about her, I guess.
[I know it's Ockham's Razor. It

is

possible that she's Godfather, the Night Actions were screwed up or whatever, but as long as there's no proof for these situations, I'm not lynching Ranger.]

[Aneninen]

I'm an idiot.

There were exactly two players besides me visiting her Last Night.

Fixed.

[Aneninen]

Can't we do something else?

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost.
Ranger is a bad idea.

I have explained why.
Caveat info is more than no info even if weak.

[Aneninen]

Game is stupid but this is only way I see us progressing.
VOTE: Ranger

Pretty sure I just mislynched, but w/e I can't get you guys to lynch actual scum so not like theres a point.

Of course you know she's a mislynch if you're scum.

[Aneninen]

Get well soon, Ranger.
However, you were hammered.
Post anything you think it's useful if you're around.

[Aneninen]

I'm not sold on that.
I know I'll look very badly if she flips scum but even if I get lynched because of that, it's still a fair exchange.

[Aneninen]

LA

[Aneninen]

I still think Kuroi is scum.
I have an idea who was investigated.
I need more info. From those who havent done anything Today yet.

Mobileposts. Cant quote.

[Aneninen]

Post something more about that RC

[Aneninen]

Anyway might as well fullclaim here.

Compulsive Fruit Vendor 1-shot Friendly Neighbor.

Instead of fruit I send joke but because Antihero is a meanie I can't see the joke I send to people.

Who were your targets so far again?

[Aneninen]

RC has never answered Sircakez's 1310

[Aneninen]

Java's 1331. And who's the third scum?

[Aneninen]

By the way,

Kuroi is at L-1

You should probably claim now or forever hold your peace.

Although I've never been against lynching Kuroi, this wagon looks like a counter to RC, which bothers me.

[Aneninen]

I already claimed my role....

Can you link it?
Not because I'm an idiot. I'm on LA and I can't find it from mobile.

[Aneninen]

Fine.

There's a character named Mojo Jojo and he/she visited Yttrium (Meeseeks/Ranger) night one.

Anyone wanna verify that?

Verified.

It's me and kuroi is correct.

Now lets lynch RC.

At least you weren't on the Ranger wagon.
Even if Mojo Jojo is a scummy Upick.

[Aneninen]

Is there anyone who's townreading RC?
Yes, that question helps me sort him.

[Aneninen]

Is there anyone who's townreading RC?
Yes, that question helps me sort him.

Plotinus was! Notice that he died when the wagon kicked off.

Can we lynch ChilledTea today, thanks? If you think that Kuroi is a counterwagon to me then that lynch should be right up your alley.

Here's my problem.
I know that two other players targetted you last Night. There's no definite rownread on you, as far as I can see.

[Aneninen]

Let's lynch FA.

Unlike Ranger lynch, this one is full of hope and red flip.

And you're manipulative in a way I saw before in your scumgames.

[Aneninen]

Why FA is scumread?
There are a couple of other scummy players.

[Aneninen]

because I'll hammer you if you don't.

fucking vote him.

This is scummy play. And when I say scummy, I don't mean a Mafia play. I mean an asshole play.

VOTE: ChilledTea

I didn't like this dialogue at all.

[Aneninen]

FUUUUUUU
sorry
Wrong quote.
I wanted to qoute RC
I'm from mobile plus LA

[Aneninen]

Flavour.
Niels Bohr here.

[Aneninen]

{RC, Adenine, GIF}
{Java?}
{Kuroi, Sircakez}
{Cabd}
{Fire Assassin, ChilledTea}

Eg this.
He threatened Kuroi on the same page before.
Thdn he's not even on the scumlist.

[Aneninen]

So.
First I thought Kuroi was an RC counter.
But waht if both of them are scum?

[Aneninen]

Also if I can't get FA lynched today Aneninen is a great choice for blatantly BSing about someone's scum meta to paint them red.

Are you still talking about my misquote? Or is there something else?
I told you I'd meant RC and HIS meta.

[Aneninen]

Peeps are getting on him for all the wrong reasons.

Why?
This was about RC.

[Aneninen]

I don't think it's wrong at all to put pressure on GIF and ask questions. Even townies should feel the heat.

And yes, I still think GIF is a townie.

This post was pigeon poop.
Noone should waste any time on putting pressure in GIF.
You are simply widening the lynch pool.

[Aneninen]

I didn't ask RC to vote someone. He obviously didn't want me to vote for Fire Assassin, possibly because they're scum buddies.

I want to vote Aneninen without him turning onto me.

What the jumping pepper was that last part?!!?!

[Aneninen]

One more thing. Aneninen, since you claimed Niels Bohr, why did you visit Meeseeks/Ranger N1?

For your 1539. RC has never ever spelt my name correctly. You are making out things out of nothing.

As for this.
I visited Meseeks because all I can do is finding out how many players visited the same target at same Night. And nothing about the Night actions. In his case it was 2.
The only thing I can figure out how to use ghis PR is confirming situations or catching a lie. And I thought Meseeks would be visited by some. See?

[Aneninen]

I mean one of your scumread is a confirmed town sooooo.

Yeah, but I still can't picture you not being scum and TS result doesn't confirm you, his role pm says "holomorphic" or "not holomorphic."

How does that make you in anyway confirmed?

Ghhhhh.
Anothr attempt to widen the lynchpool?

[Aneninen]

prodded aneninen

Shyt sorry!
I'll post today.

[Aneninen]

Is there some reason I'm unaware of for townreading Kuroi and RC?

[Aneninen]

Can we have a Night Action summary?

[Aneninen]

Can we have a Night Action summary?

Want to start the process?

No, because my Night Action is about telling the total amount of Night Actions made on and by a specific target.

[Aneninen]

Sorry everyone!

I've played this terribly.
I should have replaced out weeks ago. I saw that I'd been unable to catch up properly. First because of working, then because of being on holiday, then work again. Yesterday I actually had time for this game but somehow the page didn't load.

[Aneninen]

Town lost because Adenine was figuring out the game but wasn't active or influential enough to get anything done even though he was scumreading at least 2 of us literally throughout the entire game but couldn't get anything done. Or in other words, town lost because the best townie was drowned out by the loudest one.

This was a perfect example – which can be used by ICs too – for this: not only have you to figure out who the scum are, but also you have to persuade the town that you're right.
I wouldn't call myself "the best townie". Were I be so, this game wouldn't have been a perfect scum win.

And I don't think I'll join anything for a couple of weeks.