Mini 1795: Science [GAME OVER]
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Please stop being cringeworthy.In post 163, Travelling Salesman wrote:
chilledtea, regarding 154, if you're wondering whether to bus Meeseeks or not, the answer is yes. Even if the rest of you are just goons.
Like I get that you want to feel that you are a great scumhunter who just caught bussing and stuff.
But it looks ridiculous when you are wrong.
If this was a reaction test or something, it was bad.-
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That's not as much scummy as it is your perception of what scum usually does.In post 173, Travelling Salesman wrote:In post 170, chilledtea wrote:
Please stop being cringeworthy.In post 163, Travelling Salesman wrote:
chilledtea, regarding 154, if you're wondering whether to bus Meeseeks or not, the answer is yes. Even if the rest of you are just goons.
Like I get that you want to feel that you are a great scumhunter who just caught bussing and stuff.
But it looks ridiculous when you are wrong.
If this was a reaction test or something, it was bad.
To expand on this: nobody is going to care if I'm wrong about my page 7 read on a slot that had at that point posted twice and has now posted three times, especially on a player that I haven't played with before. Everyone who meets the experience requirements for this game has been wrong on page 7 before so I don't think anybody will think it's ridiculous if I'm wrong about you but I don't think I am.In post 171, Travelling Salesman wrote:lol
Ididn'tcatch you bussing. I caught you saying that Meeseeks was null and that some of his reactions seem genuine1 and other reactions of his seem strange2, but then you said that there's at least one scum in {anen, cakes, meeseeks}. Are we defining null differently?
- I believe that he is genuinely upset that he was altguessed and genuinely disappointed that a scumgame he was looking forward to has turned out like this already. Scum have feelings too, and I care about his.
- I am pretty sure he's seen naked votes before in his mafia career. He's not a newb. So yeah, it was a strange reaction.
You could have simply said that chilled tea might have been scummy or something.
The nonsensical "hey you should bus him btw even if you are goon". Like that is just ridiculous because I can't answer that in anyway. It also got on my nerves because of the arrogant style of posting.
The reason why meeseeks is null is something I can't point at. I am more suspicious of cakes than I am of meseeks.
Meseeks is definitely not a town read, and his genuineness in some things he has said makes me doubtful of the small scum read on him.
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No.
If this is your method of scumhunting then it is objectively bad. Not only did you pre-flip associate me with meseeks, you also try to reduce the argument to you finding me scummy, when it is only "scummy" under so many assumptions that it is laughable. If meseeks is scum, and if he is a mafia PR, and IF I am a goon, then your statement has anything of value. Where do I start addressing a statement which has so many deficiencies? It is not a simple question of you being wrong on a read. It is the method of being wrong. While one may say you are wrong about me being scum, your whole statement and the timing of it, the chances of it being correct ever, is very low. To put it simply,
It's not just that you are wrong about me.
It is the way in which you were wrong about me.
Which is why I asked if it was a reaction test. If it was then it was just bad because I don't like it.
I also do not share my town reads. Or at least, try to share it as little as possible. Especially early on. Did I say you were scum for your push? No.
I will play my way. You play your way.
Please don't try to direct my play and I do not appreciate it especially when the game is going on.
Like, I got your point about why you scum read me. Your statement regarding bussing was cringeworthy and I don't really have a problem with the scum read itself. Meseeks being null isn't changing because you scum read me and regarding cakez, it is better for me to observe him more before saying anything. At the moment he is a scum read, and he hasn't done anything to change my perception of him.-
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Go back and read the post thank you.In post 197, Fire Assassin wrote:
This post screams scummy to me in a few areas, but htis was the biggest part, and I don't it can be boiled down to a thing just like "Playstyle" you should share your reads, and you not doing so is easily fence sitting. The fact you won't declare someone scum or town is something that alarms me because you can swing it either way and say beforehand "I didn't say X"In post 182, chilledtea wrote:I also do not share my town reads. Or at least, try to share it as little as possible. Especially early on. Did I say you were scum for your push? No.
VOTE: Chilledtea
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I think as days go by I tend to play like that.
Not on day 1.
But it is a fair observation.
My read on you is based on your previous catchup.
My read on cakez is based on the fact that he has asked a bunch of questions but, those questions don't seem to be directed at gathering any relevant information. It seems more like an attempt to either start a conversation or an attempt to look busy.
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Well, I said I don't share my townreads early on in the game. Not scum reads.In post 209, Fire Assassin wrote:
I did read your post, I commented that was the most standout comment and most of it didn't read as alignment indicative.In post 199, chilledtea wrote:Go back and read the post thank you.-
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Cakes several of your questions including some you asked meseeks seemed more likelooking like scumhuntingrather than scumhunting itself.
It didn't feel like genuine curiosity.
Also how come you have a read on kuroi so quickly? I definitely want you to explain this read in as many words as possible.-
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The argument that people's play doesn't change with experience, is silly.
I am not even sure how you are analysing my scum games because they both, in some ways don't count. One was rvs lynch, the other was both scum replacing into obv scum slots with full associative tells, as a result both getting outed by the cop by day 3.
This is such a bad usage of meta. I don't get where people are getting that everyone plays the same as town all the time? Newer players tend to play differently and then they change with experience.
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Also, in mini 1772, you correctly pointed out that I didn't like rvs, lurked around etc etc.
Did the same in diffusion of power. Died night 1 which was strange.
I have my reasons for my changes in my game and they are warranted. Small experiments with your play is important if you want to improve.
And people do not have the same amount of time to play mafia, sometimes more activity, less activty happens.-
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Hey TS, if you think I care what you think an improvement is, then you are mistaken.
It isn't up for a debate whether not sharing town reads is better play or otherwise.
So quit it.
Also, your reads are garbage. Your play is not objectively better than me, at least at this point because you have already gone into confbias mode so much that you can't see anything beyond me being scum.
There are 2 possibilities at this point : 1) You are town and you don't know how to scumhunt. 2) You are scum and you are attempting a save on your scumbuddy cakez.
So which is it?
The amount of effort you put into meta-diving me itself was laughable, and then coming to the wrong conclusion was more funny.
I have very, very few games completed from the beginning. The fact that you would attempt to meta-dive a person who is playing a game from start, on the basis of what he does as replacement is ridiculous.
The first game I played on this site itself had 28 pages before I started. The second one had something above 10. And so on and on.
Very few games I replace in at the beginning. I find rvs boring and replacing into games interesting as a result.
And I have changed as a player, I have stopped sharing town reads early on. There is no need. I also do not replace into newbie slots who got prodded and replaced for inactivity, for eg. What has this got to do with anything? Not much, except that people change with time and experience. If you think this is not an improvement, then feel free to think so and not change your playstyle. You don't have to follow in my footsteps. Cause I don't know what else to say at this point.-
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Okay, this is officially the most stupidest thing I have seen.In post 264, Travelling Salesman wrote:Ok, so BNL is pretty much read up. I'm trusting Plot on Meeseeks being our strongest scumread, and I also have chilledtea and SirCakez as my next strongest scumreads in that order.
CT scumread:
In his first few posts, he gives a few reads, which is fine. However, then comes this:
He seems pretty annoyed, but what really pings me is that he seems to know we're town, as evident from "you want to feel like a great scumhunter", "you are wrong". At the same time, he does not seem to take a stance on our alignment. It's like he dislikes us, but doesn't call us scummy.In post 170, chilledtea wrote:
Please stop being cringeworthy.In post 163, Travelling Salesman wrote:
chilledtea, regarding 154, if you're wondering whether to bus Meeseeks or not, the answer is yes. Even if the rest of you are just goons.
Like I get that you want to feel that you are a great scumhunter who just caught bussing and stuff.
But it looks ridiculous when you are wrong.
If this was a reaction test or something, it was bad.
And here the next part of the conversation continues, and the same thing happens. He is able to take a stance on Meeseeks and Cakez, but not us. But what's worse is that he doesn't seem interested in figuring out our alignment, and talks to us like we are bad town, not considering we could be scum.In post 179, chilledtea wrote:
That's not as much scummy as it is your perception of what scum usually does.In post 173, Travelling Salesman wrote:In post 170, chilledtea wrote:
Please stop being cringeworthy.In post 163, Travelling Salesman wrote:
chilledtea, regarding 154, if you're wondering whether to bus Meeseeks or not, the answer is yes. Even if the rest of you are just goons.
Like I get that you want to feel that you are a great scumhunter who just caught bussing and stuff.
But it looks ridiculous when you are wrong.
If this was a reaction test or something, it was bad.
To expand on this: nobody is going to care if I'm wrong about my page 7 read on a slot that had at that point posted twice and has now posted three times, especially on a player that I haven't played with before. Everyone who meets the experience requirements for this game has been wrong on page 7 before so I don't think anybody will think it's ridiculous if I'm wrong about you but I don't think I am.In post 171, Travelling Salesman wrote:lol
Ididn'tcatch you bussing. I caught you saying that Meeseeks was null and that some of his reactions seem genuine1 and other reactions of his seem strange2, but then you said that there's at least one scum in {anen, cakes, meeseeks}. Are we defining null differently?
- I believe that he is genuinely upset that he was altguessed and genuinely disappointed that a scumgame he was looking forward to has turned out like this already. Scum have feelings too, and I care about his.
- I am pretty sure he's seen naked votes before in his mafia career. He's not a newb. So yeah, it was a strange reaction.
You could have simply said that chilled tea might have been scummy or something.
The nonsensical "hey you should bus him btw even if you are goon". Like that is just ridiculous because I can't answer that in anyway. It also got on my nerves because of the arrogant style of posting.
The reason why meeseeks is null is something I can't point at. I am more suspicious of cakes than I am of meseeks.
Meseeks is definitely not a town read, and his genuineness in some things he has said makes me doubtful of the small scum read on him.
So I rather take my time with reading him. So he is null.
In fact, this same pattern is present in the rest of his posts talking to us. He says "Your playstyle is bad" etc. but does not seem to want to find out our alignment. Yes, he does say at some points about us being possible town or possible scum but he never wants to find out which.
Cakez scumread coming next.
Plot correctly identified that I was town reading your slot at that time.
"Oh, it pings me that he knows we are town" is such nonsense. Also, if you are town then always remember that it is a sign of a bad scumhunter who thinks he has caught a person distancing, when that person is not only NOT distancing but also town. Plot trying to brush it off as "we all make mistakes" was dumb as you don't get to use that line with arrogance as well.
You are correct that I was annoyed and your slot is doing nothing other than annoying me. Everything in this conversation had only resulted in me getting irritated and annoyed.-
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The post where you say that kuroi is nulltown is 222.In post 271, SirCakez wrote:My Kuroi nulltown read comes from his widespread engagement and what looks like consistent efforts to sort people. For example, he dropped a full readslist in 261 which I don't think anyone else has. 225 looks like an active town thought process, from one post he sorted Anen up to nullscum, these are the kind of posts I see town making. In 219 he directly pushed on Traveling Salesman, who is probably one of the most townread players in the game right now. Another scenario that I don't see scum engaging into. The reason he's only nulltown is due to his lower activity and a good chunk of his posts consist of little fluffs.
So it makes little(read none) sense that you give posts after them as reasons for your town read on kuroi.
The one post which you refer to which was made before 222 isn't a strong or even a weak town read of kuroi - it heavily depends on travelling salesman's actual alignment and just seems weak as a reason.-
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Yes but you didn't give them as a reason for your null town read.
I consider silly questions something that you see from scum trying to look like scumhunting.
Like it was pretty crystal clear what kuroi wanted to say when he said javajoe's reaction was too calm and he wouldn't fake it.
It meant it was too calm to be from scum. It was strange you perceived it as too calm to be from town, considering the context of the discussion.-
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I disagree with this. I think TS is town.In post 303, Aneninen wrote:I've been thinking about the whole TravellingSalesman/ChilledTea argument. I don't know why, but it doesn't feel like town-vs-town, but, unfortunately, I don't know which one of them is scum.-
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Questions asked to gain relevant answers. Answers which cannot be possibly be had without asking the question. That generally points towards genuine curiosity.In post 363, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
How do you quantify what is “genuine” curiosity?In post 227, chilledtea wrote:Cakes several of your questions including some you asked meseeks seemed more like looking like scumhunting rather than scumhunting itself.
It didn't feel like genuine curiosity.
Also, I don't think I attacked anyone with personal attacks. Someone was being arrogant, I got irritated because of that.
Regarding Open 631, I taunted someone and then proceeded to not vote him and in fact shotty was a town read of mine in that game. Although it was because of my lack of experience.
Don't know how you came to the conclusion that I am scum because I taunted someone in RVS in another game, and don't like it done to me in this game. The main reason I didn't like it was because it primarily came from a town read of mine.-
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I do not think giving away your town reads immediately is a good idea because it is a good way of trying to see who is town-hunting in the game. Also, it might hellp in keeping them safe from nightkills although I am not sure if that always works.In post 365, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
So you are using a lack of reasoning for a Town read as a knock on Cakez while you outright state it is Pro-Town not to share Town reads at all? Dichotomy of positions that isn’t Town perspective.In post 291, chilledtea wrote:Yes but you didn't give them as a reason for your null town read.
However if someone says they are null town reading someone else who has very few posts and you are yourself struggling to get a read on that person (here kuroi) then it is right to ask if they had a specific reason to null-town read kuroi or was it fabricated.-
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Wasn't this game advertised as 10 town 3 scum? Pretty sure of it.In post 368, KuroiXHF wrote:
Actually, Java's claim means nothing to me. Statistically, he's more likely to be town, but it could also mean that he's scum and that there's one less scum than usual for this game. The only way this would affect me would be if I was trying to lynch him. I'd probably feel out everyone's opinion before doing that. But this is day one and while I want to know about everyone, the only person that means the most to me is the one I want to lynch. That's not JavaJoe.Does Java's double voter claim affect your read on his slot?
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Actually, I am V/LA at the moment and it is probably going to get extended. It is mostly because I am very busy and get limited time to play.In post 391, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Personally I'm keeping my vote on Chilledtea.
He's fairly active on site yet isn't posting here. Probably scum hoping to ride out the day with no additional scum-reads forming on him due to a lack of posting.-
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If possible, I would like the post where you thought meseeks was hinting at a role.In post 398, Aneninen wrote:
Exactly.In post 396, Mr Meeseeks wrote:
chances are im just being dumb, gimme a hintIn post 395, Aneninen wrote:Wellshyt. Either you're dumb or I was misinterpreting something.
only thing i can think of is that youve read something ive said as me softclaiming or crumbing or in some way hinting at my role and are reading me based on that? in which case i can assure you i have not done so and in that case you did misinterpret something
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0_0In post 415, SheldonCooper wrote:I would like to go ahead and note that a billion people, hyperbolically speaking, have claimed scumreads on Shos and yet there's no momentum there.
I further would like to agree with Adenine here that the Meeseeks wagon reeks of nefarious scum motivation. I am very sure that he (Adenine) is town. I am leaning town on Meeseeks as well.
The major wagons of this game are most likely town, in my not so humble and multiple degree possessing point of view. My higher mind requires a Shos lynch or a Java lynch. I could also choose to lynch MoI but I could see him as an obstructionist 'townbeard', whereas Shos and Java I'm quite comfortable scumreading.
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How is it a personal attack? If someone tries to condescending or arrogant then I am going to answer back in my own way and I did it without being personal.
Calling someone a bad scumhunter is hardly personal.
Anyways, he "taunted" me and got the reaction. If his or yours conclusion from that reaction is that I am scum, then it goes to show that I was right in open 631 to not consider shotty's reaction as AI. I am pretty sure I ask if it was indeed a reaction test to TS in my first post in the conversation.-
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At first I was mindblown by that TS theory but I think MOI is right here.
Proof :
Both java and shoes are voting here.In post 75, Antihero wrote:Black-body radiation is the type of electromagnetic radiation within or surrounding a body in thermodynamic equilibrium with its environment, or emitted by a black body (an opaque and non-reflective body) held at constant, uniform temperature. The radiation has a specific spectrum and intensity that depends only on the temperature of the body.
Vote Count 1-2
Cabd - 1 (GuyInFreezer)
Fire Assassin - 1 (MagnaOfIllusion)
GuyInFreezer - 1 (Fire Assassin)
Mr Meeseeks - 1 (SirCakez)Javajoe24 - 1 (shos)
MagnaOfIllusion - 3 (Javajoe24, SheldonCooper)
SheldonCooper - 1 (Aneninen)
shos - 2 (Mr Meeseeks, Travelling Salesman)
Not Voting: Cabd, chilledtea, KuroiXHF
aneninen is v/la until friday
kuroi is v/la until tuesday
13 alive means it's 7 to lynch.
deadline: (expired on 2016-06-17 23:32:33)-
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Meseeks, I would like you to explain this to me. Why did you answer MOI's question in this manner when he never specifically said that you wanted to kill shos?In post 605, Mr Meeseeks wrote:
if i am scum who wanted to kill shos, i could have continued my cakes lynch, as cakes would likely have killed shos with the vengeful, so i would have got both cakes and shos in one goIn post 604, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
This is scum. Look at the total lack of logic here - Mees has been calling for Cakez head all day long. Yet his excuse for unvoting him - he hasn't done anything bad since his claim which was a few hours ago. Shows he isn't honestly scum-hunting. Looks very much like scum looking to force another claim while not making a credible one himself.In post 601, Mr Meeseeks wrote:shos has just behaved full awful over the last few pages while cakes hasnt done anything bad since his claim
id like to give cakes a chance to live
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At present my two scum reads are fire and java. Cakez play was townie especially around his claim.
Cabd's reaction test was very good and his unvote at the end was very townie.
Travels' vote on meseeks on day 2 is bad, but I still think they are town.
Good chance of kuroi being town.
Scum team is probably in {anen, TS, fire, java, cakez, sheldon, GIF}
anen has been towny at points on day 1 and GIF is nullish. His activity is off the charts in the wrong direction.
Sheldon is going to be an interesting person to read this game. Don't know what to make of his apologetic post about MOI or shos.-
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What do you want to hear from me?In post 779, Fire Assassin wrote:There are so many players that are in my null pile.
And I haven't been hugely involved in this game and I apologize for that.
Who I want to hear more from: Cabd, Javajoe, Sheldon, and Chilledtea.-
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I was absent from the game on day 1 and had read up till page 23 or something. Then voted you because I remembered you had done nothing on day 1 and also I think you were scum read by magna as well.In post 784, Cabd wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chilledtea
Like this is "go with the flow; cabd route is being read as more townie after all try a different wagon" levels of scum.
Anyways, you can see that I did a re-read from a part of day 1 on day 2 where I ask meseeks a question and re-state my reads.-
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Sheldon, what makes you think that I would not mock TS as town?
Regarding 404, it is my job to analyse every post and see the motivation behind it. What scum motivation do you think there is in me pointing out that the game is advertised as 10 town 3 scum? Because it is. I believe anti when he says there are 3 scum, pretty sure there is no mechanical manipulation behind it.
Kuroi missing something that obvious pinged me at that point and I thought that it might have been a fake townslip. Maybe kuroi went too far into pretending to be uninformed.-
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Because I was scum reading him. He twisted some of the stuff I said on day 1.In post 812, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Why did you think Magna was a strange kill?In post 722, chilledtea wrote:Well meseeks, we should all cherish what we have got, even if it is a weak investigative role.
Magna was a strange kill.
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Making one post is making a big deal?In post 821, SheldonCooper wrote:
It didn't feel like paranoia. It felt like Chilled seeing someone making something that could be construed as a townslip and trying to preempt anyone townreading him for it.In post 819, GuyInFreezer wrote:
I see this as a null actually. Town could do so with paranoia and safe measure, and scum could do so to narrow down townreads.In post 791, SheldonCooper wrote:I feel like chilled was trying to preempt Kuroi's post being seen as a townslip and it feels really scum motivated.
Just for a sake of discussion, why can't that be done as chilledtea-town?
I can see not townreading it but outright scumreading and making a big deal out of it doesn't feel like town mentality.
If I changed my mind you'd be the first to know.In post 820, chilledtea wrote:Interesting to see sheldon not responding to my post, but continuing his attack.-
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Huh? what? hahaha what?
How was I supposed to look into his alignment? A single post doesn't tell you everything about a person. You seem upset that I pointed out the fact that it was a strange post and seem to keep pointing at the "OTHERS might think this is townslip quick I need to do something about it" like that's just ridiculous.-
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I am not sure what's the problem here. The game was advertised as 3 scum 10 town. That is the truth. Kuroi missed this in 2 places, one in the opening post and one in the queue itself. If someone was paying attention to the game then they would remember that there are 3 scum, so kuroi being unsure of it pinged me and I pointed it out.-
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The making up of my mind is something that happens by ignoring that slip (since it isn't possible to read alignment directly from that post) and reading the remaining of your posting, and I have said that you are a town lean before. Nevertheless I consider pointing out things like that as important.In post 835, KuroiXHF wrote:
The reality of this is that unless you've made up your mind on which it is, all you know is that it's not a null-slip. Either you think I'm lying or you don't. Make up your mind and move forward. I was excited for science so I went for it. I didn't read the fine print. I've said this already, so yeah.In post 829, chilledtea wrote:It was two posts because I was joining in the conversation that magna started.
It was a strange post and I wasn't 100% sure of the motive behind it. It could have been a townslip, it could have been a person pretending to be town going too far. I didn't scum read him at that time for it.-
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If you guys are serious about lynching me, then don't do it without giving an intent. This part is important. If you guys fail to heed this, then I do not take responsibility for my lynch since I am frequently limited access these days and I might not see the wagon itself, like in this case the wagon apparently reached L-1 and also went back without me in the picture.
Generally I won't be saying this but I kind of have little confidence in this town considering shos lynch and the way it went. That too happened in my absence and the activity skyrocketed in the last 2 days before the deadline.-
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That was way too many questions TS.
The word strange is not a substitute for scummy. Neither is interesting. I think I have a tendency of using those words honestly, I did find anen thinking I am playing a bit different (and being vague about it) interesting. He then explained what he found different, which I found satisfactory. Me and anen have only played past day 1 together and as town together. I have only replaced into games he played in.
Kuroi was not a townread at that time (when I pointed out his 'slip') but he is now.
Cakes has claimed vengeful reactive something. Francium.
I didn't push magna because I started scum reading him late into day 1 and I wanted see whether I was right in scum reading him. For eg, I am scum reading sheldon too. However I don't know for sure and in those instances I try to communicate with my scum reads to see if I can get anywhere. Sheldon didn't respond to my post at all and proceeded to call me 'obvscum' which was indeed scummy from my point of view.
The question regarding the scumpool - None of the people in the scum pool are my strong town reads. So they can be scum.
My read on anen was on day 1 and I would like to see more from him. He hasn't done much on day 2 at all. Kuroi pointed out that he made a 'soon' post and didn't do anything but from my experience anen does that as town as well. His reasoning and explanations around his read on meseeks PR made a lot of sense to me even though we are all PRs, I think he didn't consider that a possibility.
The reason why I find silly questions scummy is because it can often be scum trying to pretend to scumhunt. I have explained why I voted cabd.-
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No. It was your posting on day 1. I got town vibes from you.In post 886, KuroiXHF wrote:Chilled, you don't town read me only because I town read you, do you? What makes me town in your eyes?-
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Anen is town. Strong town vibes from him.
Didn't like kuroi saying "fire is scum, but I will vote him after anen". That makes little sense to me because anen lynch is not happening today.
Sheldon, if you actually observed my posts you will notice I have been scumreading fire since the start of the day. Fire hasn't done anything which resembles as thought put into the game and has also been inactive. That is why I am scumreading him. There is also a chance that java is town. He actually seems genuine to some extent with his explanations regarding his actions, for eg his vote which took me to L-1.-
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Pretty sure he is town dude.
He is one of the few people on this site that I have played a lot with. Two games, both games had several days of both of us playing together.
He is playing very similar to his town persona and even if the meta were to be discarded as a reason, his play itself hasn't given me much of a reason to scumread him apart from his day 1 starting.-
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Didn't like this post.In post 997, Ranger wrote:
Not significantly, no. There's been moments of paranoia and doubt flaring up and down. If you asked me about the strength behind those reads, they would go up and down with the pages from the top being "never ever lynch" to "strongest town in an otherwise scummy town" and then back up to "never ever lynch" and so forth, to the bottom being "strong scumreads" to "best guesses" and then back to strong scumreads and so on. The actual order, however, has not.Traveling Salesman wrote:Your reads haven't changed since page 13? Nobody's behaviour around the day 1 lynch changed your mind about anything?
Well originally Javajoe was just a role-read. His recent in-thread posting makes me believe he'd be town. There's also the fact I don't really see anyone he makes sense as being scum with. chilledtea I acknowledge there may be some meta arguments and I acknowledge there was the apparent contradiction D2, but I got a VERY strong townread on chilledtea's early posting which only got stronger and stronger. Certain key areas just hit all the notes that I feel are "correct".Talk to me some about your Javajoe and chilledtea townreads; are they town independently or because they don't make sense as scum together with the bottom of your readslist?
Fire Assassin's a dead null. I acknowledge the meta on him would mean he's possible as scum. I also acknowledge his extreme lack of posting is possible as scum. I further acknowledge interactions mean he's not impossible as scum. So it's not impossible. But while I recognize that objectively he could be scum, subjectively I don't feel it at all. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but I don't feel he is.Also please talk some words about Fire Assassin and any of your other scumreads that you care to elaborate further on.-
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What a waste of a post. Of course I know that.In post 1012, Fire Assassin wrote:
You realize that a players alignment doesn't change when someone new comes in it, right?In post 1009, chilledtea wrote:It is possible I was wrong about meseeks. I got a pretty strong town vibe from meseeks on day 1 with his posting seemed so genuine but ranger doesn't seem townie with her arguments.
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Pretty sure his/her main is famous for bussing.In post 1112, Ranger wrote:
That wasn't how I read it. I'd have to reread all that section of the game to find the relevant posts and show them, but your posting definitely carried the impression you were telling the townTraveling Salesman wrote:I went and looked up what the likelihood of it being a scum vs town role, determined that 5 out of 6 times in minis, double voter is a town role, and said that there was an 83% chance that Java was town which is good enough for day 1. How is that discrediting?notto trust the claim, rather than saying to trust the claim.Sheldon is not a player who avoids bussingExcept they quite explicitly are. It's not as if they will never bus, ever. It's that they try to avoid it as much as possible. Distance, sure, but push come to shove, not actually bus.
Sheldon has incentive to kill MagnaofIllusion greater than any other player in the game, be it past or present, for what it's worth.if I was scum together with sheldon i probably would've let sheldon pick who to kill-
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