Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[Heartless]

I have absolutely no idea if I just played the role we got correctly but I did it anyway.

[Heartless]

No, it's TTH. :3

[Heartless]

[Heartless]

Mildly amused, if you're serious.

[Heartless]

[Heartless]

Mildly amused, if you're serious.

And now I sort of want to know what you thought was scummy about it. :S

[Heartless]

if you two become apathetic slobs im gonna be really annoyed.

I might be

slightly

more troll-ish than usual, but never apathetic. ^_^

[Heartless]

But seriously, why did you think my opening post was scummy and what did you think I was talking about?

I thought it should've been pretty obvious I was hard-crumbing a day action that I just submitted.

[Heartless]

oh... well it's nice to learn about being revealed by reading this thread. my opinion matters...

[Heartless]

meh
we werent realistically going to be in the lynch pool anyway so not a huge deal i guess

VOTE: fa

[Heartless]

UNVOTE:

[Heartless]

there is one person pinging me but it can stay a secret for now

[Heartless]

Tonal reads are disgusting

ur face is disgusting

[Heartless]

wis is town

sweet

[Heartless]

VOTE: kuroi

[Heartless]

i dont want to think about it right now and i dont find the pressure on her useful right now.

i can back gork up here that pressure on fa will make tons of nai noise

[Heartless]

fa id appreciate it if u could calm down on the post volume just a smidge and let the game breathe a little plz thnx in advance

[Heartless]

also kuroi is pretty confirmably lynchbaity.

this is true

he's also :scumposting:

[Heartless]

the fact he started getting voted immediately like 3 pages into the game

tth got voted immediately for a post she made

is she lynchbait?

[Heartless]

[the reason the question is nonsensical is that lynchbait doesn't correlate w/ alignment]

[Heartless]

VOTE: frozen angel
Serious vote

serious shit

whats your case

You're flipping your shit over a RVS wagon three pages into the game.

Yeah. You know what? SirCakez was pretty much articulating what I didn't like. VOTE: Frozen Angel Demanding a case like we're sitting on piles of evidence in a game on its third game sounds preposterous.

I'm fine with voting her until someone scummier comes along.

no, this post is totally deserving of votes

[Heartless]

This is my post to let Gorky know I'm not apathetic.


And I already have a townread, so I'm making progress! ^_^

[Heartless]

VOTE: bbt
I want this
read their iso, it is bad
They're scum

just seriously, lynch bbt please.

oh... uh.... yeah, yeah i totally get what youre saying.

but... tth is pretty slow. i think ur gonna' need to spell it out for her.

[Heartless]

VOTE: FA

bad

Whoops that vote was after page 1. Didn't realise we had 4 pages...

VOTE: Random

bad

Gork, why is Random town?

bad

What makes you think I'm random voting SC?

bad

I meant your vote on Random BBT

I know

I didn't like Random's Gork vote.

bad

You should explain that read SC.

bad

Can we slow this down?

bad

I'll read this game at some point. Not reading it all though.

bad

bad

[Heartless]

:'D

i know im the worst

kuroi's still scum in case anyone's interested

[Heartless]

have to go now

i hope to return to a utl megahydra post to brighten my evening

[Heartless]

SW is town, random

pedit: and so is kuroi

wis
wis
wis

before this game really gets going
i just want to say
i don't want to fight you
i want to be friends

[Heartless]

i hate to be the one to break it to you fa

but the cakez wagon is mediocre

[Heartless]

Was this a random vote, or did you have a reason for the FA vote at the time?

it was random

im not townreading shadow so i could potentially vote there?
idk i'll see what the bird thinks

[Heartless]

i'm not saying that i think it's inconceivable that bbt is scum

i'm saying that your reasons for it rn are absurd

[Heartless]

hey hip

could u plz put utl on the phone?

[Heartless]

lol @ the fa townreads

[Heartless]

shes being a mom or something.

or summer. i could take a shot at reading her

sry hip. i want u to keep posting but ur not rly readable early. ur more of a late bloomer.

[Heartless]

i retract my wis townread

[Heartless]

Because I have more then one ding dong

[Heartless]

They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

Confession: Scum theater crossed my mind when I first read over the FA and Cakez interactions.

[Heartless]

I'm pretty sick and run down and my stupid body is demanding that I go to sleep right now. But I'm fully caught up on what's happened so far in the game. I'll leave you all with a tiered reads list that all the cool kids make these days:

{mhsmith0, Gorkington, randomidget, Third Wheels}
{Frozen Angel, BlueBloodedToffee, SirCakez, shaddowez, Dwlee99}
{KuroiXHF, Wisdom, Square World}

[Heartless]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

This is what the dog and I agree on right now so that's where the vote goes.

[Heartless]

{mhsmith0, Gorkington, randomidget, Third Wheels}
{Frozen Angel, BlueBloodedToffee, SirCakez, shaddowez, Dwlee99}
{KuroiXHF, Wisdom, Square World}

bad

[Heartless]

VOTE: KuroiXHF

This is what the dog and I agree on right now so that's where the vote goes.

Come on you two can come up with something better then this :/

Apologies. Being tethered to the toilet and not being able to keep anything solid down all day didn't really put me in an expository mood.

Getting dismissed before I even have a chance to explain really sucks and I'd rather that not happen pretty please.

[Heartless]

@heartless: what's driving the strong gork town read? Ditto the strong wisdom scum read?

Because I'm interested in what they have to say (especially anti since I was really impressed by him in the aero upick micro).

Wrt my read of you, I didn't like your rvs, I suspect that your shadow vote was just early distancing (although that depends on shadow being scum and I still want to skim his town games to refine my opinion there), and your hop onto me was pretty awkward. Otoh those aren't super strong things, and there are people who are town reading you so I'd like to know what I'm missing.

I'm not Anti, sorry to disappoint.

But for one, you're overestimating the strength of my reads right now. I started out having 5 tiers (strong town-weak town-null-weak scum-strong scum) and the two extremes didn't end up getting filled at all so I nixed them. Looking back at the list, I'm not sure if random should be where he is but I'll have to see.

For another, I get the feeling that this Gork thing is just a distraction that Wis is pushing. It came out of nowhere and it was while the shadow wagon had solid backing so I'm not sure why Wisdom would gut the wagon he was ostensibly so sure about to chase this.

(I'll also go ahead and point out the important caveat that I'm not sold on the shadow wagon but I also don't have a townread on him. My initial assessment on that wagon being a red herring could possibly shake up the Wisdom/SW read.)

[Heartless]

What's the dwlee case?

That's an excellent question.

[Heartless]

I think the way shadow started catching up was alarming cuase he was basically duplicating whtever I said in thread /felt buddying a bit/ was shady in expressing the read on you and his reaction to the shaping wagon on him was not something that I'm a fan off. so for now I will put him as a slight scumread of mine.

That's also something that bothered me. shaddow did seem to stick to FA a little too close for my liking.

[Heartless]

Otherwise, I'm going to treat it as a scumtell.

What is "it"?

[Heartless]

Mind expounding on this?

the gork push was not very good and im a little suspicious wis is shoveling crap to add to the chaos

i mean... what's the big idea behind gork being scum anyway? gork schemes up this sooper sweet scum strategy and then proceeds to blurt it out and then blatantly troll about it?

[Heartless]

Third Wheels disappeared again

anyone still townreads this hydra?

not townreading just yet, but also not scumreading

scumreading that hydra for activity is pretty meh since they're all sporadic posters

[Heartless]

i'd take a reincarnation of the shadow wagon over a third wheel wagon, tbh

[Heartless]

um... um... b/c we're scum and we're just waiting for the heat to die down?

[Heartless]

dwlee feels kinda' lynchbaity and i dont rly have a scumread on him

[Heartless]

square world, what are your reads?

[Heartless]

i'd take a reincarnation of the shadow wagon over a third wheel wagon, tbh

wat u mean

i'd wagon shadow over you...

did i use reincarnation wrong...?

[Heartless]

also, hip+utl+summer im giving you a lot of space here. plz dont abuse that.

[Heartless]

mhsmith0, Third Wheels, shaddowez, Dwlee99, SirCakez, maybe randomidget, the others are town

/whistles
yeah man, those 6-man scumteams'll really sneak up on ya if youre not careful

[Heartless]

hearty explain your smith townread idgi

not sure why tth has him at town. i just looked at his iso and i dont rly have an opinion of him.

[Heartless]

scum candidates

right...

ok why is cake scum?

[Heartless]

im looking at randomidget's iso and i have to say i dont really like it...

[Heartless]

well your vote is just parked on cake and most of your iso are cutesy little comments. i don't really have a good sense of where your head's at you're just kind of... posting.

[Heartless]

i don't really think it's a big deal. or at least as big of a deal as ppl are making it out to be. he already had an apparent scumread on gork so... idgi

[Heartless]

if youre going to be antagonistic, then plz at least have a kickass end selling point

[Heartless]

hey has anyone gotten around to telling me why kuroi's town?

[Heartless]

can everyone do me a solid and stop doing these "scumteam predictions" they're p ridiculous kthnxbye

[Heartless]

WHY?

don't give me the "hez lynchbait"

the fact that an ic-blessed wagon failed to take off PROVES that's bullshit

[Heartless]

also hey anti can you do me a solid and not make noise that distracts from scum? thanks

and doing "gladiate" and calling anyone who votes you scum is noise so can the 'tude

[Heartless]

ok im going away now

tth can drive for a while

[Heartless]

Conftown: {Heartless}
Town: {FA, Kuroi, SW, random}
Nulltown: {Gork, SirCakez, BBT, dwlee}
Nullscum: {mhsmith0, Third Weels, shaddowez}

BBT / Gork / ???

fa please stop tunneling

VOTE: gork

sequence of events on who read gork as what

i'm just assuming dwlee didn't just put gork's name into 471 as some sort of an elaborate puzzle (but fuck maybe i'm wrong)

so... no still not getting the point

[Heartless]

lolwat you think it's real?

[Heartless]

mhsmith [post]689[/post is classic scum. Defending himself while trying to throw shade. Its a really, really bad attempt.

This is a guy who in literally every other game I've seen him in has made himself

incredibly obvious

town. Like innocent child level towna fter like two posts. Here, he is awkward and defensive

i'll go ahead and tell you that in the game i was in w/ him he was irritatingly unreadable (the quote in his sig is from me)

and town

[Heartless]

yes

and i'm still sitting here with my fist in my ass wondering what the smoking gun is

why is this opportunism over dwlee just being in agreement?

[Heartless]

/sigh ok im leaving for realz this time b/c i feel like im being an asshole and im not really meaning to be

[Heartless]

mhsmith, you asked and we both bothered to give our take on Wisdom. Do you have anything to add or did it bore you enough to not want to continue the conversation?

[Heartless]

Great. >_>

OK, I guess I'm not doing enough. I'll take another crack at that reads list.

[Heartless]

The fact that he didn't re-vote Frozen Angel once he realized the "mistake" but kept up the attack makes me think "completely fake."

I also feel like in the post where he originally voted FA, he's trying to say be cautious and say "town" things:

VOTE: frozen angel
Serious vote

serious shit

whats your case

You're flipping your shit over a RVS wagon three pages into the game.

Yeah. You know what? SirCakez was pretty much articulating what I didn't like. VOTE: Frozen Angel Demanding a case like we're sitting on piles of evidence in a game on its third game sounds preposterous.

I'm fine with voting her until someone scummier comes along.

"I'm fine with voting her until someone scummier comes along." should sort of go without saying and feels like it's tossed in there to say "look at how reasonable I am, that's town!"

I disliked how he started off taking such issue with Wisdom calling him scum (Post 119), OMGUSing him (Post 225), and then completely letting the whole thing go once Wis let it go.

I also think it's off that he saw fit to chime in on the Cakez wagon and the "Square Wagon" (that never was) but has yet to say anything about the shadow wagon.

[Heartless]

You ever see a wolf successfully pull off a "oh crap I forgot how many players were in the game" play?

I guess the flip side is if kuroi realized that his # players estimate was off, he should have just revoted FA based on his thought progression. /ninjad: yep, that's the counter point

But it still seems reasonably likely to be a town-indicative moment, unless there's any evidence that this sort of fake play is within kuroi's wolf range.

What is "town-indicative" about it?

Just on the most basic level? I also think it's entirely plausible that he really

did

think he accidentally hammered FA and then made that post to save face.

[Heartless]

OTOH, I just finished a game where kuroi's slot was the D1 lynch, so I'm a bit nervous about him just being lynchbaity.

I really don't want to hear this anymore. From anyone.

I'm not unreasonable. If in the course of a wagon, Kuroi changes my mind and I start townreading him (entirely possible, it happens all the time), then that's what will happen.

If you have reasons that you can articulate for him being town, that's one thing. But saying "he's lynchbait so I'm

not

touching him" just cuts me off at the knees by not letting me apply any pressure and lets Kuroi coast for pretty much no reason.

[Heartless]

WHY?

don't give me the "hez lynchbait"

the fact that an ic-blessed wagon failed to take off PROVES that's bullshit

whos scum if he flips town

whos town if he flips scum?

o/
I have a couple ideas.

[Heartless]

But in a 13p setup, the mafia would basically KNOW that there were >9 people, just by way of their role PM. The only way they wouldn't is if it was something like 10/2/1 (with an SK... and the SK would know that it's >9 people since when do you see an SK with 9 or less) or 9/2/2 mulitball where the role PM's didn't bother to make the multiball aspect clear.

So either kuroi is just INCREDIBLY sloppy mafia (who posted while forgetting that he had multiple teammates, presuming a relatively standard 10/3 setup), or there's info withheld or made unclear in his role PM... or it was a legitimately indicative moment, either because he was intentionally faking the derp, or because it actually was a true town derp moment.

And if Kuroi is a player who has never before tried this kind of fake derp moment as mafia, then it just seems likelier that he's just a townie who's being really sloppy in his postings, both in terms of remembering the setup and in terms of everything else (including the stuff about his read progressions). Like, I wouldn't want to bet the game on this, but I'm not especially inclined to want him dead anytime soon either.

^I can now put a post to "why I'm townreading mhsmith"

[Heartless]

See what happens when you

engage

the read instead of just calling me bad?

Very good things!

[Heartless]

mhsmith0, Third Wheels, shaddowez, Dwlee99, SirCakez, maybe randomidget, the others are town

For Square World, I get that he seems to have adopted a minimalist playstyle of sorts here. But I think he goes after soft targets. This post that I'm quoting feels like "here are the lynches I think I could get away with."

Square World, would you care to give these reads a little meat?
Would anyone care to defend a townread they have on Square World?

[Heartless]

Don't do that, you'll get a concussion.

[Heartless]

Spoiler: Randomidget Selected Quote Wall

Ya that would be bad I don't want to lynch you....yet

bummer that you might actually be scum this game

This pings me.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gorkington

@Shadow I chose Cakez because more people scumread them and we could apply pressure. His vote on SW was awful as well so he is a stronger scumread right now.

hi bbt. i will support you doing whatever you do. just skim some people and give some reads.

nah, bbt looks like a lynchbait

Third Wheels is scum.

They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.

What does his vote being second have to do with it? Wisdom's push on Gork was bad, but looked town. Dwlee looks like he saw the opportunity to push a player who could be a threat and it's very easy to sit behind Wisdom whilst he does the pushing.

Dwlee showed no interest in voting Gork until Wisdom started pushing. It was an icky vote.

He clearly did though.
People are trying to push this Dwlee wagon really hard which is weird.

I may not agree with the content of all these posts, but I like where random's head is at and I have a gut town read on him for it.

Not a strong read, but I think it's looking good so far.

[Heartless]

Then let's roll on this
VOTE: Square World

[Heartless]

Good luck, FA. I wish you well. <3

beeboy replaces Frozen Angel

On the upside, Beeboy should be a considerably easier read.

[Heartless]

Then Beeboy should be just as "obvtown." :3

[Heartless]

Where did Cakey go?

[Heartless]

Confession: I'm not convinced Square Wagon is what I want to go to lynch today.

[Heartless]

leaning on mhsmith0 + KuroiXHF + shaddowez with a possibility of randomidget

I'm townreading smith and random and the other two I'm iffy on.
I don't suppose you'd like to explain any of these?

[Heartless]

Creature always plays like this, the minimalist shit is NAI

I never said otherwise. I said I think he's pushing mislynches. Do you disagree?

[Heartless]

I could get on board with a Third Wheels wagon (reasoning to come when I have more than a minute to sit at a computer)

This interests me.

[Heartless]

Confession: I'm not convinced Square Wagon is what I want to go to lynch today.

Do you have any scum reads, beeboy?

[Heartless]

Frustration is unequivocally null for FA and beeboys posts are worrying me.

I await thoughts once you're up to speed beeboy.

[Heartless]

I am trying to decide whether or not third wheel is scum or not right now. I know this wasn't the shared in thread opinion but SiW was obv towning really hard in Summer Waltz and she was the player I was hoping to base that slots read on and I am missing that same feeling here. Also nothing from anything else in that hydra is particularly compelling as well. But I am pretty sure as scum they wouldn't be this close to getting prodded as well so I am kind of stumped and I don't know if Hiplop would forget about this game as scum here.

I'm under the impression all the Third Wheel posts have been hippy so far. I don't think UTL or SiW are high-volume posters as either alignment so that's still null for me.

[Heartless]

Frustration is unequivocally null for FA and beeboys posts are worrying me.

I await thoughts once you're up to speed beeboy.

Is there a good example of FA showing this level of frustration as scum? I've seen her get super frustrated once as town (mini 1782 w jake), am curious if there's a decent analogue as scum.

Steven Universe Prequel, complete with a request to replace out.

I have no doubts FA can fake frustration as scum. I am just pretty sure the frustration she showed here was town frustration.

Even if FA is scum, I very much doubt the frustration is fake. It's not helpful in reading her.

[Heartless]

town: Gorkington, Square World, Third Wheels, BlueBloodedToffee, mhsmith0, SirCakez
everyone else: Wisdom, beeboy, shaddowez, Dwlee99, randomidget, KuroiXHF

i'm prob overdoing the townreads and townreading a scum (or two if im rly bad), but i feel like there needs to be some forward momentum here.

(third wheels is someone i might be jumping the gun on. i thought hip was vaguely town but i think they'll be a lot more readable once utl and siw start posting)

i'm not very good at reading wis through his playstyle and i dont think ive ever seen him as scum so i don't have a good meta baseline. tth has seen him as scum and she's scumreading him here so... i guess there's that.
^^^this would be a GREAT cop scan if we have one of those^^^

i didnt get anything out of fa that i thought was super readable. i kinda hate that the only thing beeboy's seen fit to do is WK square world and toss out vague townreads on us, wis, and kuroi.

everyone else in the null pile are just differing degrees of blah.

i'll go ahead kick off the wheels of the square wagon.
UNVOTE:

[Heartless]

i dont have a good answer for that and that read is subject to change pending what tth says when we talk about this game

[Heartless]

Ok I am all caught up now.

Dazzle me, beeboy.

[Heartless]

everyone else: Wisdom, beeboy, shaddowez, Dwlee99, randomidget, KuroiXHF

I townread all of these

Why are you townreading Dwlee?

[Heartless]

Ugh... my reads are in a really rough state. I look at them and I am pretty sure I am doing something wrong.

What ails you beeboy?
Where are you struggling?

[Heartless]

I posit that it's neither faked nor is it town indicative.

[Heartless]

VOTE: beeboy

Sorry sweetie, but I think you got a scum role PM.

[Heartless]

I feel like Kuroi is either playing a grating and weird town game or a very respectable scum game.

The bitch in me says it's the former, but the kindhearted, generous nurturer in me wants to say the latter.

[Heartless]

I'm so conflicted on beeboy, I think FA was definitely town at the end but beeboy's posting has just been awful

Take FA's AtE with a grain of salt.

[Heartless]

VOTE: Square

Choo choo counter wagon

I thought he was just bait. :\

[Heartless]

it looks so real though gah

(This is

exactly

why it was nearly impossible to get her lynched in Steven Universe Prequel.)

[Heartless]

where did this wagon come from

more votes on Square, leave beeboy alone

No, I think beeboy's scum here.

He made it pretty apparent that he was town in Summer Waltz and I've been trying to poke and squeeze that out of him here, but it's like trying to get blood from a stone. I can relate to struggling in this game, but I can articulate

exactly

why I'm struggling here and it's because I have very few solid townreads and a lot of important slots like Wisdom and Third Wheels that I'm really shakey on. beeboy is just throwing out a vague "oh it's hard" and then grabbing these cockamamie and half-baked reads out of his ass. It's avoidant and evasive and the opposite of what I've seen in his towngame.

[Heartless]

Ya'll can lynch Wis on Day 2.

[Heartless]

Well I am, especially if he really thinks that the whole "pregnant" comment from Square World is more lynchworthy than your recent posting.

[Heartless]

He wants the drama to continue because it's good for scum

This is what I'm referring to and what I'm thinking is the reason you joined the Square World wagon in the first place.

[Heartless]

I am sad you're a likely candidate for a lynch in a town full of unreadable scumfucks when FA was obvtown

FA was never obvtown.

[Heartless]

BBT, Square World, Dwlee, and Wheels, if you're town you need to come town it up please.

Otherwise Wis is going to have an inexhaustible pool of mislynches to work with.

[Heartless]

Anyway FA was telling the truth I can be confirmed later in the game so lynching me now is a horrible idea.

I've got a confirmable role right here so no deal, Mr. Softie Claim.

[Heartless]

Don't bait me.

[Heartless]

I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I doubt Radja would stack and IC and a friendly neighbor in a mini and anything else is just an attempt to stall the lynch and remain as vague as possible.

[Heartless]

Anyway FA was telling the truth I can be confirmed later in the game so lynching me now is a horrible idea.

lynching beeboy today is stupid

No, I am

not

letting him skate on this.

[Heartless]

I never claimed friendly neighbor.

Then it's not "confirmable."

[Heartless]

Oh well I am not claiming unless you can actually get me close to being lynched.

But you thought it was worth mentioning to deter anybody from

putting

you in that position.

[Heartless]

what's the point of making someone with a confirmable role claim?
if he claims later and it's not confirmable we hang his ass

What would Anti say if he were here?

I think it would be something along the lines of: role and alignment are two different things.

[Heartless]

I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I want a better IC
Can we get a refund

I get it Wis: You don't like me.
I already sort of got that from Friends and Enemies and I almost backed out of this game because of it but I signed up anyway since Radja was modding.

The message has sunk in.

[Heartless]

I'm assuming he means confirmable as town, not just confirmable

He already denied being a friendly neighbor.

[Heartless]

uh what
I don't even remember what games we've played together
Which friends and enemies was that?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=59485

[Heartless]

I'll step away for a while and let Anti take the helm.

[Heartless]

since when?

Not to you. But to people who have played a few games with me it should be pretty easy to tell I'm town. I'm mainly talking about Heartless, Bee and Wisdom.

I think you're more likely town than not, but that's really a half-court heave based on gut and vague meta.

It's a house of cards that could fall in even a gentle breeze.

[Heartless]

beefboy is town cmon

He needs to start acting like it then.

[Heartless]

It appears I have to try harder to be recognised as town. How disappointing.

Sorry hon, but that's the player list you're in. Scum aren't just going to walk up to the gallows for us.

[Heartless]

whats up?

tth sounded upset when i was talking w/ her about this game. i hope you kids are playing nice in here.

[Heartless]

he scumvomited over the thread

Could be. If the alternative is square space, meh.

I don't think this is derptown. I think this is fake

sooooooo.... why aren't you yelling at me to get back on the kuroi wagon? tth and i have only been calling him scum all fucking game.

[Heartless]

Why scum on mhsmith?

I feel like he is trying to mislynch one of me and Kuroi and other things are pinging me I can't put my finger on >.<

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

i thought he was townreading kuroi...?

am i misremembering?

[Heartless]

phew... this beeboy posting is SUPER stilted and weird

[Heartless]

VOTE: beeboy

sorry, i have to bus you

This feels artificial and fake. There has to be some sort of disconnect because I don't know where he went from before all the way to voting Beeboy.

you're JUST NOW taking issue w/ square world's refusal to explain ANYTHING?

[Heartless]

VOTE: Square World

Yeah. I honestly believe Beeboy is town and I'm not liking the latest of Square World.

ew...

yuck...

so gross

[Heartless]

I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I want a better IC
Can we get a refund

wis... there's a difference between simple disagreement and being a butthole for no goddamn reason

this is being a butthole for no goddamn reason

cut it the fuck out

[Heartless]

what's the point of making someone with a confirmable role claim?
if he claims later and it's not confirmable we hang his ass

frozen did not say her alignment was confirmable

the role in this slot is pretty much confirmable so there's that.

frozen said her ROLE was confirmable. NOT her alignment.

alignment and role are NOT the same thing
alignment and role are NOT the same thing
ALIGNMENT AND ROLE ARE NOTE THE SAME THING

[Heartless]

what's the point of making someone with a confirmable role claim?
if he claims later and it's not confirmable we hang his ass

What would Anti say if he were here?

I think it would be something along the lines of: role and alignment are two different things.

lol

when you know me

you know me

[Heartless]

this army that suddenly rises to defend beeboy is setting off all kinds of alarms in my head

[Heartless]

i'd be surprised if scum didn't take advantage of town's stupidness

can we cut this bullshit too?

if you're town, you are COMPLETELY indistinguishable from scum making fabricated reads and pushes

you want to be too cool for school?
fine.
but "TEHEHEHEHEE UR SO STUPIDZ" is just adding an extra layer of irritation on an already hear-tearingly frustrating experience of trying to read you

[Heartless]

since we're metadiving, lets metadive mhsmith0 as his play here doesn't match his town play nor his scum play

Go for it, my wiki is pretty up to date (iirc last update was like a week ago). Also, how am I different from each in your opinion?

you're analytical on both, not a question spammer

you know where that quote in smith's sig came from?

it was me. "KC" is "Kitten Chemist," my hydra with plotinus. it's from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65913

he was a complete enigma for most of the game exactly because ALL HE DID WAS SPAM QUESTIONS. that's why i said "your give:take ratio needs some adjusting."

AND HE WAS TOWN

[Heartless]

Ya but his softing is prob town

uh... no

it's straight out of the section for "how to survive as caught scum" in the scum manual.

[Heartless]

we're not going to be on the lynch wagon are we?

[Heartless]

i really really REALLY want to lynch a beeboy defender

like randomidget or kuroi

[Heartless]

i'm kind of leaning towards it being white-knight central now that i'm done catching up

[Heartless]

youre not listening to what i'm saying

i kind of think beeboy's town

i also think scum white knighted the fuck out of him

[Heartless]

VOTE: kuroi

[Heartless]

nope

[Heartless]

i'll also do randomidget

[Heartless]

guys i have a very very narrow window of still being sober

say anything important now plz

[Heartless]

VOTE: square world

[Heartless]

that's l-1

claim

[Heartless]

whatever

===[]

[Heartless]

if utl and siw don't show up tomorrow, lynch third wheel

[Heartless]

i hope our reads were crap

so that i don't have to be bitter about how thoroughly miserable this game is

[Heartless]

wow i was neapolitan

sircakez and kuroixhf still scum

THATS WHAT YOU FUCKING GET FOR NOT CLAIMING

[Heartless]

cakez is downgraded to "the rest" pile

[Heartless]

at least we got two scum (kuroixhf and sircakez)

who would be the third scum?

dwlee or random

[Heartless]

or wis

[Heartless]

scum, plz don't be afraid to use your strongman/ninja/whatever OP thing radja gave you on us

please

im begging you

[Heartless]

plz realize you absolutely misplayed this by not claiming

[Heartless]

Anti told me there was a hammer, but I don't really have anything to say.

[Heartless]

we have a day
to right the wrongs of day 1

we'll use it well beeboy!

[Heartless]

bbt wagon is crap

[Heartless]

btw when this hydra says I its a concensus thing

we are one

send summer and or utl out here to talk more about it then

[Heartless]

@heartless your reads are shit. Sheep us and trust

It's things like this that make me want to leave this game.

[Heartless]

bbt is someone who when you read him as town, he is scum. When you read him as scum he is town.

Smith, we are pretty damn sure here. You trsuted the ic yesterday and lost, time to trust the madpeople

The Square World vote was Wisdom getting his way, not us getting our way.

I'm not reading BBT strongly one way or the other.

[Heartless]

Anti's townreading you but I can't say I really know why.

[Heartless]

I'm waiting for an apology from hippy before I go on because he's been really rude and condescending this game for a reason that eludes me.

[Heartless]

For telling you your reads are shit? You're that sensitive that mere words incapacitate you?

And yeah, your reads aren't that good. Sorry.

Not really:

@heartless your reads are shit. Sheep us and trust

bbt is someone who when you read him as town, he is scum. When you read him as scum he is town.

Smith, we are pretty damn sure here. You trsuted the ic yesterday and lost, time to trust the madpeople

I'm reading it a lot less as "your reads are shit" (palatable) and more as "it's not even worth reasoning with you because I think

you

are shit and you should shut up and just sheep" (disrespectful). It's exacerbated by the fact we haven't exactly been good at getting things to go our way this game, yet hippy is still using how things have gone so far as the basis for calling our reads "shit."

I can't believe you felt the need to butt in on that yet I know so little about

your

reads this game, Kuroi.

[Heartless]

I'm assuming you've seen GoT before. If you have, you know that there are people who are there to protect their family. There are people with swords and know how to use them. I'm even expecting, considering Radja's Pokemon games, that even some of the direwolves could be protectors here. I mean, why don't people see this?

I'm less questioning why you think there's a protective role in the game and more questioning why you thought it would've occurred to scum that beeboy

was

that protective role.

Anti thought he was vig crumbing and I didn't know what role he was saying was "confirmable" but bodyguard didn't cross my mind.

[Heartless]

yeah no seriously, the "confirmable claim" thing was risky as hell.

I'm guessing beeboy figured that taking the bullet on night 1 was going to be the method of "confirmation" here.

A strongman would've fucked that up, so yes I agree.

[Heartless]

VOTE: BBT

[Heartless]

Does anyone besides me now immediately suspect Dwlee or am I being irrational? X_X

[Heartless]

so I'm sorry tth for being rude but I thought youd get the point that I was really fucking sure on this lol

pedit; We're bulletproof if we don't action smith, so it just means we can't action tonight.

I'm a bit touchy right now hippy.

Thanks for dealing with my foibles. <3

[Heartless]

My first instinct for scum with BBT are shaddowez and Dwlee.

More conservative pool would be {KuroiXHF, shaddowez, Dwlee99, randomidget}

[Heartless]

I just looked over mentions of BBT in Gork's ISO and I don't feel nearly as good about that town read as I once did.

[Heartless]

UNVOTE:

Hang on, I want numbnuts to look at this before this goes to night.

[Heartless]

i thought i could have a lazy sunday evening of sitting on my couch and picking my butt but apparently SOMEONE had to go get a guilty so now i have to say things or else im holding everyone up...

thanks a lot

[Heartless]

Get some thicker skin. I wasn't abusing people. I'm telling Heartless that their reads could use some work. How does this further the game? How about think more and not use your confbias throughout the game. I'm not apologizing. Mafia isn't about holding hands and I could have said this A LOT harsher. I didn't.

You're welcome.

[Heartless]

I almost think it might be 10/2/1 tho, a sk works here and would explain why Kuroi (if scum) forgot it was >9 players.

hate, hate, hatin' smith's posting today

[Heartless]

so I'm sorry tth for being rude but I thought youd get the point that I was really fucking sure on this lol

pedit; We're bulletproof if we don't action smith, so it just means we can't action tonight.

I'm a bit touchy right now hippy.

Thanks for dealing with my foibles. <3

where's MY thanks for dealing with your "foibles"?

jeez...

[Heartless]

kuroi's prob town

[Heartless]

shadow can you vote the bbt?

I mean, I could. Do you really think his posting is scummier than Cakez or Square?

Widsom, your reads do get better as the game goes on, don't they?

*does a chant*
lynch bbt
bbt needs
ROPE, please
lynch b
b
t
yay

I'm interested in BBT's catch up post first, then I'll consider.

shadow looks kinda bad

[Heartless]

My first instinct for scum with BBT are shaddowez and Dwlee.

More conservative pool would be {KuroiXHF, shaddowez, Dwlee99, randomidget}

mine's close

mine's: shaddowez, dwlee, random, smith, (gork if you run out of suspects but he's still prob town)

style points: shaddowez+random

everyone else looks pretty reasonably town to me

[Heartless]

idk the more i look at dwlee's iso the less plausible the hard bus theory is to me

[Heartless]

VOTE: bbt
I want this
read their iso, it is bad
They're scum

just seriously, lynch bbt please.

It's got about as much content as yours Dwlee

i feel like one of dwlee/random is scum

and i want to just occam's razor this shit and say it's random and he's defending his buddy

i feel like if dwlee was hard bussing here he'd window dress the push a little more than just saying "bad" but im pretty unqualified to make that assessment given ive never seen dwlee bus

[Heartless]

IIRC dwlees meta is to bus, so I could def. see dwlee w bbt, with or without Kuroi.

what's this referring to?

[Heartless]

Why does it have to be random or I

i guess it doesnt have to be :\

ur not at all suspicious that random came to bbt's defense there?

[Heartless]

fam u never answered my question

dont do that

[Heartless]

i feel like one of dwlee/random is scum

"i feel like" isn't "completely certain"

it's a good 5 or 6 rungs under it

[Heartless]

idk mafia's hard and im no good at it any more

VOTE: bbt

[Heartless]

what else did you want to do?

[Heartless]

i nominate random or shadow for that honor

[Heartless]

i look forward to the post game where i'm certain everyone will call this setup townsided

[Heartless]

VOTE: randomidget

[Heartless]

lol every game I play as town people call something fake and Im just like ???

Having no other strong pushes makes the

really

overdone and aggressive push on BBT (Post 268) look scummy. It looks like that's the only place you chose to stick your neck out to go on the offensive because you knew you were right.

The most readable, "obvtown" thing you can do is have legitimate reads and I haven't seen those from you.

[Heartless]

guys i dont think dwlee's scum here

[Heartless]

why was bbt so easy to spot as scum.

I know this is annoying but it is a secret tell atm that I dont want to share as people will work around then and yea

it's prob a coincidence in the first place but in any case the reliability of the "tell" will have the shelf life of a banana

[Heartless]

and that's all well and good but the little idiosyncrasies in ppl's metas shift pretty rapidly.

it's not a sooper dooper trade secret, just say it.

[Heartless]

I'm not saying it >_>

ok well then i guess i'll continue to have absolutely no leg to stand on in defending you other than /teh feels/ which is notoriously inaccurate and no one's going to listen to

then after you get mislynched i'll get huffy at you for not doing more and you'll get huffy at me for not doing more. meanwhile everyone else will be chewing on their own feces and thinking we're both inarticulate, bumbling morons who happened to stumble into 1 or 2 right answers.

it'll be a fun ride can't wait.

[Heartless]

Happy Birthday

Sircakez

!

the mod wishing someone happy birthday is obv towntell

game solved, pack it in everyone all we have to do is wait for everyones birthdays to roll around

[Heartless]

KuroiXHF (3) - Square World, Third Wheels, BlueBloodedToffee

speaking of ppl i gut townread but i have fuck all to back it up...

[Heartless]

I think the scum team is shaddow and random based on VCA.

go on...

[Heartless]

I think vote count 6 makes random scum

Ya got me, one VC proves I'm scum.

see he even admitted it

[Heartless]

Heartless, you can do better than this.

i was being sarcastic, but only a little

i really do think the way he responded (attacking the evidence instead of the accusation itself) is more indicative of a guilty person