Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

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VOTE: FA

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Just wagon FA

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What if she is?

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Why did you reveal already ._.

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No you aren't

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VOTE: Kuroi

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VOTE: Kuroi

This isn't RVS anymore, sweetheart.

My vote ain't random

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Cakez is town I think

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Wisdom - Why bother asking Heartless about their reveal? What does that do to get you information about scum? Also, why the Kuroi vote?

It was an expression of annoyance

Kuroi felt scummy and similar to the last time he was scum

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my gut also says shaddowez is trying too hard

I'm not familiar with shaddowez but that was my first thought too

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SirCakez has extra game information, this is why he knows you're a lynchbait.

ew

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whoever can't see how much fake is Sircakez reads and how he changed his approach to the game right after I accused him for pretending for tunneling convince me I'm wrong

cuase atm all I can see is a scum who is trying to act natural

Chill. I think he's town.

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I'm not sure why I'm arguing with scum

FA isnt scum. Dont make me change my mind on you

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VOTE: shaddowez

kuroi can be town

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Do yourself a favor and dont "wisdom does x"

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I think he's just different to what you're used to
Doesn't mean he's scum

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My point is what I said

anyway, take your own time to realize you're wrong and then sheep me on shaddowez

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maybe, maybe not

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shaddow's post is awful, not seeing myself changing my vote anytime soon

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SW is town, random

pedit: and so is kuroi

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uh sure, but I'll still point out any wrong reads you have

pedit: FA, vote shaddow pls

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nah

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FA pls stop interpreting everything as scumtells

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yay this game will be an ego fest

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In other news Shadow's posts on page 11 were awful and I'd also vote there now

do

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he thinks Cakez is going to bus shaddow

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but hint: shaddow is scum and Cakez isnt

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but cakes is scum

why is shadow scum and how is that related to SC ?

it's not related to Cakez

shaddow is scum because of his posts. Look at them.

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Actually they're best early on

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you are, true

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why is cake town?

because i say so

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and what do you think about random?

probably town

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I find shadow post duplicates of what of already been discussed

That and he's asking obvious things that he doesn't need to ask. He's trying to look busy.

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why do we have a 3 person hydra who has still not posted

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no he doesnt

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that's the point of the alt

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kuroi you're not really reading

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It doesn't just give them a clear to scum post because they're on an alt

Except he's not scumposting. Especially when you think it's scumposting because of meta.

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I was speaking more about the first sentence than the second.
Have you seen the vote count?

the first sentence was also unrelated

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replace bbt with shaddow

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Why do you think that?

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That's the issue. People who try too hard to be perfect are likely scum.

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Are you fucking serious, wisdom. You are scum reading them for NOT being scummy? That is a fucking fallacy and you should know that. How DONT you know that?

Nah. I'm scumreading him because his posts look like they're coming from scum.

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especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

Gork I find it slightly worrying that you're defending my actions
Usually you'd doubt me like dwlee is doing

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Wisdom's reasoning was two parts.
1. Shaddow is posting like town perfectly
2. Therefore he is trying too hard to post like town.
Which is just bullshit reasoning.

Okay, I didn't express myself correctly. I wanted to say that the feeling I get from his posts is him wanting to look like he's trying, like a good townie would do, but I don't see actual town intent in them. They feel made up to me. Better? It has nothing to do with fallacies.

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I'm still not sure how anybody that's not in my head can determine my motivations.

Oh I don't know, maybe by reading your posts?

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VOTE: cakez

could also do frozen angel

you're not starting out very well

also sign your posts

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Scumteam = Gorky/Cakez/ rando

terrible.

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1. Frozen Angel

2. BlueBloodedToffee

3. KuroiXHF

4. mhsmith0

5. Gorkington

6. Wisdom

7. Square World

8. SirCakez

9. Heartless (TellTaleHeart + Antihero)

10. shaddowez

11. Dwlee99

12. randomidget

13. Third Wheels (UpTooLate + Hiplop + SummerInWonderland)

better, though I'd uncross BBT and dwlee

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who the fuck guesses scumteams before a flip

I do.

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i think all of the options that include mhsmith0 make more sense

Why me over various others who are pushing on shadow?

bad

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Conftown: {Heartless}
Town: {FA, Kuroi, SW, random}
Nulltown: {Gork, SirCakez, BBT, dwlee}
Nullscum: {mhsmith0, Third Weels, shaddowez}

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Except for where he used PoE to determine his 4 scumreads and he listed all possibilities with those 4. Others pushing shaddowez have nothing to do with it.

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So what? That doesn't change your point is bullshit.

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-SW presents a POEd playerlist
-SW speculates on the possible pairings of his 4 POEd scumreads
-You question why he isnt pushing others for pushing shaddoweh: This is awful for two reasons: a)He nowhere said that's why he's scumreading you b)The POEd playerlist should answer why he isnt pushing others for it - he's townreading them.
-I point this out and you change your argument to "he nowhere explained why he's townreading all the others" - you're dodging how your argument was awful here and you're arguing something new.

In the end you just want to defend against the scumread against you but you don't know where it came from so you can't.

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Then vote shaddow

Why did you change to mhsmith?

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Wisdom, who should I vote?

shaddow

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I find shadow post duplicates of what of already been discussed

That and he's asking obvious things that he doesn't need to ask. He's trying to look busy.

my gut also says shaddowez is trying too hard

I'm not familiar with shaddowez but that was my first thought too

Wisdom's reasoning was two parts.
1. Shaddow is posting like town perfectly
2. Therefore he is trying too hard to post like town.
Which is just bullshit reasoning.

Okay, I didn't express myself correctly. I wanted to say that the feeling I get from his posts is him wanting to look like he's trying, like a good townie would do, but I don't see actual town intent in them. They feel made up to me. Better? It has nothing to do with fallacies.

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i know who im voting when this shaddow wagon fizzles out.

Who?

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yeah, so who?

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Why are you voting shaddow if you expect the wagon to die down?

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Then what are you doing on it?

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fa please stop tunneling

VOTE: gork

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you are

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Give me some reads on people not Cakez, for reasons having nothing to do with Cakez

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gork im not understanding your point

You are voting someone, claim you're scumreading another, claim you believe the wagon you are in will fizzle out, yet you don't say who you're scumreading or switch your vote to them. None of this makes any sense.

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mhsmith's last post was town. I had a feeling you were going to swing suspicion his way

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boo

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{mhsmith0, Gorkington, randomidget, Third Wheels}
{Frozen Angel, BlueBloodedToffee, SirCakez, shaddowez, Dwlee99}
{KuroiXHF, Wisdom, Square World}

bad

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Wait, what? That's like saying, "I'm going to tell the jury how the defendant murdered the victim without actually talking about the defendant or his actions."

uh no, this makes no sense. I asked her to give reads on people without being influenced by her scumread on Cakez.

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yeah pretty sure mhsmith is town

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no it isnt, you're weird af and I am not going to forget your buddying attempt I pointed out either

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No, I don't think there's anything that justifies this, clarify?

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nah

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ok

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VOTE: dwlee

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why do people think selfmeta matters

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i mean... what's the big idea behind gork being scum anyway? gork schemes up this sooper sweet scum strategy and then proceeds to blurt it out and then blatantly troll about it?

Idk, he's weird

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Okay, that makes more sense, but I still disagree so whatever. Wanna wagon gork tho?

why are you testing the waters? if you want to vote me, vote me. dont posture around and hide behind wisdom's approval.

relevant

461 came only after I posted 456

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no random, as I just said he didn't. His first mention of him is what I quoted.

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461 came only after I posted 456

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I don't think that is alignment indicative.

Maybe but BBT is right that his gork pushing started the moment I started pushing him, therefore could be opportunistic.

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Third Wheels disappeared again

anyone still townreads this hydra?

no

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You still think Cakez is scum?

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I'm absolutely lynchbait day one what are you smoking, hiplop.

Square World isn't hiplop. Hiplop is in Third Wheels.

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sequence of events on who read gork as what

i'm just assuming dwlee didn't just put gork's name into 471 as some sort of an elaborate puzzle (but fuck maybe i'm wrong)

so... no still not getting the point

I hate when people don't read the game.

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For the third time.

dwlee's first mention of Gork is 461:

Okay, that makes more sense, but I still disagree so whatever. Wanna wagon gork tho?

which comes right after MY first push on Gork which is in 456:

especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

Gork I find it slightly worrying that you're defending my actions
Usually you'd doubt me like dwlee is doing

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I mean, this is pretty much a non-response by Wisdom on the implied question of why Wisdom was scum-reading Gork. I'm also curious if Wisdom gets around to explaining his process in greater detail on this read as well.

I have already explained my gork read in detail, read the game next time

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Wisdom, why did you think this was fake by kuroi?

no and those two posts had nothing to do with my vote

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That's not the point. People misread and think dwlee had expressed suspicion of Gork before I did which is incorrect.

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Do you have a reason to townread him?

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Not really. He did opportunistically push gork after he saw I may support it.

tone reads are bullshit unless you wanna argue you know his tone is not like that as scum

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he has

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To be fair, dwlee hasn't played with me before

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I feel like you're defending him a little too much for my taste

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VOTE: random

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i kind of think that you're scared to push me and just leave a comment like that in the air to build up paranoia

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yeah and now i got off of pushing dwlee because it also started looking bad

because im just that bad and predictable as scum

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anytime

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Don't make me gladiate you dude. I'm not afraid to do it.

lol go ahead. How many chances do you think you have in a gladiate against me?

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would i?

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random's defending of dwlee felt like WKing

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how is it even WKing if he was just trying to argue it wasnt AI?
:/

He was arguing the wagon on him is bad. That's WKing a wagon on town.

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random's defending of dwlee felt like WKing

So all of a sudden Dwlee is town?

mhm

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Then why were you voting Dwlee for so long?

Because your "omg opportunistic" campaign was cute so I thought I'd join in

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so him being argumentative with you when youre being stubborn means hes scum because only scum argues with you about your reasoning on things?

I don't recall suspecting him for being argumentative
I am because his defense of dwlee felt like scum WKing a townie getting wagoned.

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No, because he was "frustrated" with the wagon as a whole, not just with me.

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have you played with scum hiplop before.

I don't think so

my read was not meta based though

yeah, it was tone based, which is bullshit without meta

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It's not out of this game. You came to the thread the moment you got voted.

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You didn't post until you got voted.

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I have a bad feeling about random as well. his earlier play was weird and although he feels like confodent and compact it seems really unnatrual -

but I remember how I felt about him in ASOIAF so yeah I might be wrong about

my reads are not static. yes I am still scumreading cake and I have bad feelings about random.

I have no reason to move on from this reads and they feel correct.

lel

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You didn't post until you got voted.

I was opening a game of mine fro day phase

I was posting a vc in another game

I was working on some images and trivia for my upcoming game and I came to this game when I just saw I got voted

now what is your point?

This is my point. You did everything but posting in this thread. Because you didn't need to, there was no suspicion on you. When someone voted you, you felt the need to post.

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cmon FA, you dont have to replace out. You have to understand it looks suspicious when you are away from the thread and your first post back is right after you get voted

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sigh Sakura #2 is born

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can you vote someone else now that we established FA is town

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He wants the drama to continue because it's good for scum

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VOTE: square world

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What do you mean by Wolf?
And I don't think Wisdom responded to this?

she means scum and I did

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he*

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Kuroi felt scummy and similar to the last time he was scum

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lel i just quoted 222 in 888

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My GoT games aren't looking well for me seeing as I was scum in 100% of them.)

I guess that's a scumclaim?

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And yeah I meant Elyse's game. The micro was barely a game

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i mean FA obvtowned the slot already

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i mean FA obvtowned the slot already

Do you mean wrt her departure and to surrounding posts, or something else?

I was townreading her anyway, but yeah that frustration wasn't fake

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nope
all those with maybe the exception of random are town

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it apparently doesn't count for mhsmith if the reasoning is not in the same post

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So Wisdom - just to clarify. Are you using the fact that dwlee didn't vote gork until after you as a reason to scum read him?

I'm not scumreading dwlee.

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Why do you think he's bait?

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Where do you see frustration?

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I dont really see frustration in those, but okay
Want frustration, look at FA's posts

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I have no doubts FA can fake frustration as scum. I am just pretty sure the frustration she showed here was town frustration.

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Where did you get that?

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His constant pressure on Square's scum read on me.

Yeah, I throw the risk of shade-throwing, but I think he might be. It seemed less of trying to understand the reason for Square's reads and more of coming to my rescue.

I don't see how you got that impression. He asked him about lots of other reads.

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And besides it's not like Square is voting you or like you're in any danger
Why would you need "rescuing"?

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Eh. I think you're being paranoid.

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everyone else: Wisdom, beeboy, shaddowez, Dwlee99, randomidget, KuroiXHF

I townread all of these

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How is 910 not a derp come on

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Nothing fake about the other two either. Have you played with Kuroi before?

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Why scum on mhsmith?

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Uh no, it isn't. beeboy, you're worrying me.

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Yeah, even if Kuroi was scum I find it more likely that he forgot about the IC than that he faked it, but either way beeboy's treating of shaddow is worrying me.

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Like, scumclaim because he argued there's a different way to look at it than yours?

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He never said you said it was fake. He said you tried to discredit his townread, which you did.

pedit: @shaddow

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where did this wagon come from

more votes on Square, leave beeboy alone

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you cant meta off one game.

FA was town and so is beeboy

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I do what?

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I am sad you're a likely candidate for a lynch in a town full of unreadable scumfucks when FA was obvtown

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nah

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You just can't read her

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You know you can try to lynch me today, right?

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I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I want a better IC
Can we get a refund

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uh what
I don't even remember what games we've played together
Which friends and enemies was that?

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I cant tell you're town BBT

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I don't remember disliking you there?

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wis can you confirm?

I cant tell you're town BBT

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I'll step away for a while and let Anti take the helm.

Kay but let me make clear that I don't dislike you or anything. Don't build up stories in your head please.

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smith so scum

Just annoying playstyle imo, unless you have meta that suggests otherwise

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Like I told TTH, don't try to meta off one game

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VOTE: cakez

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no I'm not, but it's certainly me you're parroting

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or both

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I am echoing you
Your point?

You thought it was a good argument to push
It's not

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its an indication that ceature didn't read her post

town more likely to skip a post like that @mhsmith

This.

Square just missed the context and asked. There was no ill intent. Even if he's scum, arguing he did it on purpose is silly.

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yeah, comparing a single town game and a single scum game solves everything
Scumhunting is so easy

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You're using a meta argument. Based on a single game of each alignment. It's terribad.

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lol at gork going through with this bullshit

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Yeah it's totally reasonable to expect to meta people off reading two games

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k have fun wasting your time

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I'm calling bullshit on beeboy's soft claim.

I want a better IC
Can we get a refund

wis... there's a difference between simple disagreement and being a butthole for no goddamn reason

this is being a butthole for no goddamn reason

cut it the fuck out

Tell your buddy not to advocate lynching softclaimed obvtown and I might

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this army that suddenly rises to defend beeboy is setting off all kinds of alarms in my head

Oh really? What about the beeboy wagon rising out of nowhere to counterwagon Square?

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Ya but his softing is prob town

uh... no

it's straight out of the section for "how to survive as caught scum" in the scum manual.

Yeah because FA was totally caught scum

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i'll also do randomidget

Dude. Vote Square or SirCakez already and stop granting them counterwagons.

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Oh wow the Cakez wagon disappeared
Why can't I be scum in such bullshit games

VOTE: Square

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good, get lynched

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ok

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i wish

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wisdom's reads tend to suck, so probtown

you dont know me

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mhm

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you can cut the scum theatre now, both of you

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lol

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I hate this game. Can people who are town play like town pls

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VOTE: bbt

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Sounds promising

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Well, the reason could be he's scum

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Because why not

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yeah, whatever that means

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dunno

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TTH I think you're overreacting like you did with me :/

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@wisdom, can you tell me what your read on dwlee is?

Don't have one, I'd gladly lynch

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i dont think anyone protected anyone in the first episode.

Mafia episodes don't necessarily match actual episodes (says so in first post)

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The naked unvote and vote I suppose

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Hah, I had 6

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Hi. This is bad.

Hi bad, I'm Wisdom.

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oh lol

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I guess whoever questioned my hop on BBT can be town, I think that was mhsmith and Gork

Meh, doesn't help much.

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I do!

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Kuroi is probably scum, Wisdom might be scum as well. I think you're town and TW are probably town as well. Dwlee could be town but he's fooled me pretty good before so don't hold me to that.

Based on this I'd say dwlee is scum and Kuroi isn't

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Hi second scum to die

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Is it me or that "test" felt fake