Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[Fire Assassin]

Call Fire's bet five minutes before being required to fold

You are impossible

[Fire Assassin]

My problem right now is your approach to it.
w/e

Fold

I don't really care about this game at this point, so getting upset with how everyone is playing is pointless.

[Fire Assassin]

My problem right now is your approach to it.
w/e

Fold

I don't really care about this game at this point, so getting upset with how everyone is playing is pointless.

You can't fold while you're the one who set the current amount to call. You'll have to wait until another raise if you want to fold.

Don't tell me how to play poker. I will fold even if I go all in!

[Fire Assassin]

You can't commute and kill at the same time lol

Do you still think I'm scum or did you drop that read for no good reason?

Have you been skimming my posts?
I've already said you're dumb and not likely scum.
Based on interactions I'm feeling it's Smart and Mathblade.

Well you said I was stupid here

If I was the vig I would have shot Infinity 10 times over for being stupid.

If scum win this you should get the MVP award.

But you never mentioned that I wasn't likely to be scum...

This or fire, guys.

I've obviously implied it when I talk about the MVP award.

Seriously take your tinted glasses off

Ok, you implied it BUT YOU NEVER GAVE A REASON

ffs

Well shadow was the only one that would have the money, he could be fakeclaiming buying JK but I believe him and it can be tested.

How? If he was scum and bought daychat as I think scum would, then if their partner was lying about their claim as one of the PRs I believe is, all they have to do is say "roleblocked" and then Smart makes the kill.

If he bet all his money, we would see how much he had left and therefore how much he used.

I disagree that scum would necessarily want daychat, JK would be pretty useful as well and shadow had enough money for either.

If he has more than you though you'd lose your BP more than likely because no one could fold :/

I think I have already. I think it is you and Titus and FA who haven't folded. And if Titus gets this pot after me calling Titus and FA were trying to give money to each other I will be pissed.

This post doesn't even make sense.

[Fire Assassin]

I think titus is just stalling the hands at this point which is fine

I'm just saying in theory it's a bad idea to lie about which power you bought b/c it's provable.

By this reasoning theres no reason to lie at all because its provable. Therefore its NAI

Lol that was my point why I am conf town XD.

No, it really doesn't.

That's true...

How did you even get that conclusion?

[Fire Assassin]

Well mathblade isn't conftown but it's unlikely scum would get tracker

But I guess mm could've taken it to look town

Why not get tracker if you are scum?
It ensures town doesn't have it.

[Fire Assassin]

Ehhh

Scum aren't

that

worried about the track

So scum would more likely get it to look town?
Thats your argument?

This interaction gives me a (relatively) strong feeling that Infinity is scum and Mathblade is town.

Honestly infinity makes as much sense as mathblade.
I don't know why scum him wouldn't shoot me last night when i said I would shoot him though.

[Fire Assassin]

I mean, I think the best case of MM being town was his very hostile and aggressive posting when he was pushed, which Wingback showed a different game of him acting very differently as scum I believe.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire just an FYI if math is scum I want you to see this. I find comments like this association of a scum buddy.

I have been feeling like Something_Smart is scum, but really not to do with associations.
He has been doing a classic scum tell of sitting in the background of the day and floating that middle ground.
He has no focus on him so he just says a few comments so people know he is here, but doesn't try to game solve or take focus.

Ill look at the associations though, could be damning.

[Fire Assassin]

This is where I am at right now:

Town: Titus, Farside
Leaning Town: Infinity
Null: Shadow_Step
Leaning Scum: SOmething_Smart
Scum: Mathblade

[Fire Assassin]

Then lynch Something_Smart?
I am tired of this day and arguing with you.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Fire Assassin]

Fire just an FYI if math is scum I want you to see this. I find comments like this association of a scum buddy.

I have been feeling like Something_Smart is scum, but really not to do with associations.
He has been doing a classic scum tell of sitting in the background of the day and floating that middle ground.
He has no focus on him so he just says a few comments so people know he is here, but doesn't try to game solve or take focus.

Ill look at the associations though, could be damning.

You've seen my scumgame. Do you really think this is it?
Also, what middle ground? I think the scum are Infinity and farside. I'm just not too involved in this game and nobody's trying to engage me anyway.

Yes, I do think this is it.

[Fire Assassin]

Fold

No why don't we progress and lynch Something_Smart.

[Fire Assassin]

Why?

I've explained this already.

All I can find is that I pushed FAQ while admitting that he might be town.

And you hard pushed RC while saying I probably wasn't scum with RC, so...

Shouldn't you be more concerned about lynching scum instead of self defending.
Lets assume we are wrong.

Lets see what you have basically done in last few pages.
Lurked until a wagon formed on you, then start going into defense mode.

You may have had "scum reads" but you definitely haven't been pushing them that hard. Your motives seem to skate by and now do damage control.

[Fire Assassin]

Logically my gut says Smart is scum. My gut says that he isn't. This is turning way too fast for my liking.

This is a 180 where you despised this wagon.
Where did your read change?

[Fire Assassin]

Blah...Something smart lynch is something dumb.

[Fire Assassin]

Man in the morning, I have a spelling/grammatical error in every sentence. Well.....maybe not just in the morning. Still, reading my own posts is very annoying.

[Fire Assassin]

I can't point to a specific point but mostly a lot of what Farside is making sense on paper. However I still think there has to be scum in the PR claims. Even though there isn't a review board I don't see a reviewer putting in that much power. In a 13 game without purchasing there was less for town. Why would town have more in an 11?

The purchasing makes it inherently swingy.
There is no reviewing board like I said, this was reviewed by one perosn, if you want to go ask who the reviewer is I think alchemist can answer that and you can try taking look at both their games and come to your conclusion on what they consider balance.

However granted that purchasing again can from town or scum the game inherently gives scum possibly more advantages than town if they can monopolize the whole money business and take items away from town, so I have no idea why you insist this is unbalanced when you should outright understand its swingy.

[Fire Assassin]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

[Fire Assassin]

No offense to everyone here, but I am very done talking right now.
We have talked to death and unless someone has a very convincing case to make to someone else, which I doubt. We should lynch Something_Smart and if flips scum ill shoot Mathblade, if not. Ill reconsider.

[Fire Assassin]

There is no reason to rush. We have time to discuss things if people would quit being lurk sacs.

We have been going in circles, there is no point in continuing discussion if we are just repeating the same conversation over and over.

[Fire Assassin]

Yeah no. The smart play is to track SOMEONE in fire/infinity/shadow and not announce who. Then all three claim what they did and see if scum emerges. Not going to confirm or deny which.

That is not the smart play.

[Fire Assassin]

If you were town, which you are not. The smart move would be to track infinity regardless. Because he is not going to die and you can confirm for whoever he visited to be accurate.

You could track me but if I am dead you show up as tracking no one, assuming I don't shoot you. Which is really unlikely.
So infinity is guaranteed to get some result you can work off of

[Fire Assassin]

I think Titus, Shadow_step and Mathblade are town.

Fire, can you promise me that you'll shoot in <farside, Infinity> tonight?

Honestly I'd prefer you shoot Infinity. Since I'm flipping town his cop result won't be valid anyway because it will be LYLO.

Also I recommend that Mathblade tracks Shadow to make sure he can't interfere with Fire's shot, if it in fact exists.

Shooting infinity fails unless scum also shoot him.

Infinity should get the cop check?

Are you even reading?

[Fire Assassin]

We are not no lynching, you are going down.

[Fire Assassin]

You both are ridiculous and if math is town we honestly deserve a town lose for the most ridiculous track on wingback.
I don't think that was stressed enough.

Predictions:
Smart flips scum
I shoot math, they flip town
Math actually tried to track me but I died and they don't realize how stupid their tracks are.

I am willing to go through with that regardless

[Fire Assassin]

Predictions:
I flip town
Fire shoots Math ANYWAY
Scumteam of farside/Infinity wins

So now I am town?
I would be 100% fine with this if it were true, but it's not.

[Fire Assassin]

So you're shooting Mathblade regardless of my flip?
And when did I say you were scum?

No, I'll probably get severely drunk before I decide on shooting if you flip town.

[Fire Assassin]

You're that convinced that I'm scum

...and your case is "lurked, then got defensive when wagoned"?

You haven't been here until you became prime lynch target one.
That is a huge fucking scum tell.

[Fire Assassin]

No, the smart play is to track Shadow.

That way scum!Fire can't say, "oh, I tried to shoot so-and-so, but they didn't die, so Shadow must have jailkept me to frame me".

This isn't saying I am scum?

[Fire Assassin]

Like I can pull up more of you either saying I am scum or a liar.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire: why are you voting for smart?

I think he is scum, and especially the way he has only popped in here to try to stop a lynch on himself without actually pushing his scumreads that much. He calls you scum, but he is really not trying to push that over his own survival. Him no lynching is ridiculous and he should realize that since we aren't in MYLO.

I also really didn't like how he pushed the idea on day 1 that I could magically read him better than anyone else. That seemed like pandering to my ego.

[Fire Assassin]

V/LA till Saturday, I am in process of moving

~Noted.

[Fire Assassin]

Just so much wow in this game.

[Fire Assassin]

Like literally, just no other words.
Just none.

[Fire Assassin]

Don't worry.

Why shouldn't I worry? I have failed to read every single player that has flipped.

[Fire Assassin]

No you didn't, you JK'ed me.

VOTE: shadow

shadow/fire guys

zzzz

Where in the hell is this coming from?
Why do you think its me and Shadow.
You say you have no results.

UNVOTE: on the off chance that scum have an rb

Why do you think this?

I am not feeling good about Infinity right now.

[Fire Assassin]

I also don't like that i gave him almost all my money yesterday....he could be vengeful scum right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Why don't we have Infinity just get vengeful and we lynch him regardless?
If he is town, he can possibly shot a scum, if he is scum, well. Works.

[Fire Assassin]

I got no result, so the most likely explanation is that shadow blocked me. That means there's no explanation for only 1 kill other than you being scum.

It's still possible that scum have a roleblocker, but very unlikely for setup reasons.

Who was your target last night?

Who do you think was my target?

[Fire Assassin]

Infinity, this is what you should do.
Confirm you have Vengeful.
We will lynch you.

If you are town, Ill trust your judgement on the kill.
If your scum, well have fun killing another town.

I want this to be play for today.
I don't want to deal with anything else.

[Fire Assassin]

I think your vig target was no one

I think you'd claim a shot on math

This makes no sense.
So you think I didn't vig shot anyone, but you think I shot Math?
What?

Shit, I forgot to buy an ability last night

Buy vengeful today, confirm that.
Then we lynch you.

[Fire Assassin]

Mathblade was killed last night.

Spoiler:

Poker Mafia Role

Hello, Mathblade. You are

Cowkiller Rufus.

After that unfortunate business in Omaha City that got you the nickname Cowkiller, you moved down here where you thought nobody'd know ya. Well, partner, you were wrong.

Abilities:

None (barring Shop Items)

Win Condition:

You are Town and win when all threats to the Town are eliminated.

4 people received $19 and one received $18.

Day 4 begins now.

5 alive, 3 to lynch, and it is lylo.

The pot is $25.

I was going to say lets skip, but this is LYLO.

>.>

[Fire Assassin]

I am just undecided on this completely.

What we know:
Math was town, somefuckinghow.

Shadow claimed to have used a Jailkeep on Titus, which doesn't help at all.
Infinity claims to have been roleblocked, which is likely a lie.
Farside is still alive. Why didn't scum shot her?

I am lost on this.

[Fire Assassin]

Well I think Infinity is scum.
I was trying to talk a bit to Titus about this because of how lane was to make sure I wasn't crazy but Infinity's comment are so obvious scum it hurts.

You have been wrong various points in the game.
Tell me why I shouldn't be thinking you are scum?

[Fire Assassin]

Anyone have any doubts about Infinity as scum?

I have various doubts on everyone.

[Fire Assassin]

I am kind of in this tunneled vision where I can't see any other possibility than it being Infinity and some other player.
Which I can't decide on who.

Which won't make it easier, because tomorrow is going to be another LYLO day.

[Fire Assassin]

Okay, this is what I am thinking.
We lynch Infinity today.

Everyone needs to give their money to me and make sure I win all the poker games.
I will buy vengeful.
We lynch me tomorrow on the hopes that Infinity was scum.

If infinity wasn't scum, game is over regardless.

If I am scum, and I back out, you lynch me regardless tomorrow.

So basically put it all on me, even though I don't feel good about it.

Money to me please

Bet $200

[Fire Assassin]

I didn't, I lied about being a 1 shot vigi, and threatened players in order to see if scum would NK me based on who I was suggesting to NK.
I shot nobody, I never had a gun.

My bad.

[Fire Assassin]

I didn't, I lied about being a 1 shot vigi, and threatened players in order to see if scum would NK me based on who I was suggesting to NK.
I shot nobody, I never had a gun.

My bad.

You know the number if times I defended you for that claim.

Yeah, and you believing it so much made me question if you knew i was town, so thought there was no reason for me to lie.
It made me go back and forth on my read on you.

[Fire Assassin]

So scum deliberately shot the person you were going to kill Fire?

Why?

mathblade had a tracker, and I already said I was planning to shoot Math, it seems an easy way to ensure that Math does die and frame me if it was the only kill.

[Fire Assassin]

I like how Titus focuses on that, but not the fact I lied....something doesn't sit right with me on that.

[Fire Assassin]

I think I am being paranoid right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Why do you think Infinity is scum fire?
Don't you think shadow could be lying?

because I think there are exactly zero town power roles in this actual game since we only have 2 scum, and likely no neutrals since if we had a neutral they would claim.
The poker games has all the power roles in it.

This is essentially a vanilla game with a poker mechanic to give players something to talk about and give swing.

[Fire Assassin]

This is where my head is at right now

Its imposisble both Shadow_Step and Infinity are both town.
Or that they are aligned together.

One of them has t be scum.
That means Titus/Farside has one scum in it aswell, since I am town.

That means the teams are either one of these:
Farside/SHadow_Step
Farside/Infinity
Titus/Shadow_Step
Titus/Infinity

This is troubling because I think both Titus and Farside are leaning town for me, and I don't want to lynch Titus today.

[Fire Assassin]

I assumed it was lylo I just didn't see it in the mod's post lol

Why am I scum

You are scum because your claim is probably 100% fake.
You also claimed roleblock but then you don't vote the person who had a jailkeep.

[Fire Assassin]

I think fires comment about infinity claim was interesting but the paranoid person ask, why not mention this thought much earlier in the game.

I thought it was possible that the game had 1 single actual PR. And when I threatened to shoot him and he didn't kill me, I thought that meant I was wrong and he was actually town.

The fact he comes in here with no result in LYLO is extra bad.

[Fire Assassin]

So scum deliberately shot the person you were going to kill Fire?

Why?

mathblade had a tracker, and I already said I was planning to shoot Math, it seems an easy way to ensure that Math does die and frame me if it was the only kill.

How does that frame you?
If anyone else would have been killed and Math would have been alive, that would be framing you, no?

Killing someone else would be more optimal to go for a win, assuming I did shot Mathblade.
Scum either didn't believe i would shoot mathblade, or that I didn't have a shot to begin with.

Also, why aren't you suspecting Infinity who claims he was roleblocked when you claimed you blocked Titus?

[Fire Assassin]

I literally don't understand why Shadow isn't hard pushing Infinity and vice versa.
They are claiming actions that kind of contradict each other.

[Fire Assassin]

So far we've had, farside assuming that Smart was scum.
Infinity not knowing that we are in lylo.
Fire assuming that governor/vengeful works in lylo.

What's up with that shit.
All these mistakes cannot be genuine.

Don't forget you not pushing infinity who claims to have been roleblocked last night, and you the only one who has a roleblock that is confirmed.

[Fire Assassin]

I literally don't understand why Shadow isn't hard pushing Infinity and vice versa.
They are claiming actions that kind of contradict each other.

Scum could have an rb, plus we are in lylo.
What is it that you don't understand ?

Why would scum have a fucking roleblock in this game?
For the 1 single power role we were given?

You honestly believe that?
this is just unbelievable.

[Fire Assassin]

Shadow/Fire

You can rule this out now.

[Fire Assassin]

Well, this makes me feel like I made the right decision...

No quick votes on Farside.

No, that just means that scum aren't available to quick vote, assuming that you aren't scum.
Which I have no idea on.

I am lynching in Shadow and Infinity today no exceptions.
And if your town, you should be trying to sort these two instead.

[Fire Assassin]

That means the teams are either one of these:
Farside/SHadow_Step
Farside/Infinity
Titus/Shadow_Step
Titus/Infinity

I really want to limit the possible teams here to just 2.

My thoughts are that Titus/Shadow don't make much sense. Though the slots haven't interacted a whole lot.
Shadow could probably be associated to anyone since he has very interactions this game.
Infinity seems more likely tied to Titus too though.

>.>
I am working on no flips associations and this is bugging me.

[Fire Assassin]

There's two ways to go about that.

1) Resolve Farside versus me.

2) Try to get the opposition teams.

Yet, you are refusing to let 2 play out, so hit me with your best shot.

Why are you assuming I am town then here?

Thats not just two ways.
That assumes you know its not me.

Your teams were:

Shadow/Farside
Infinity/Farside
Shadow/Fire
Infinity/Fire

If anything you are now thinking i am town because PoE or something?

And what you mean I am not letting it play out?
I want that resolved first, then focus you and farside.

[Fire Assassin]

And why do you not want to sort out the Shadow/Infinity problem we will face tomorrow if you are right?

[Fire Assassin]

We will be in the exact same scenario tomorrow except one of you or me won't be here (assuming you are town and farside is scum)

[Fire Assassin]

Honestly given the state of things, I am pretty sure I will be here cause I can see both of those two derp lynching me regardless of which is town or scum.

[Fire Assassin]

I kinda figured I would be the vote target.

My biggest concern about infinity scum is why not just fake a result given dead Math?

Why not also fake no result to frame Shadow too?
Its all WIFOM.

Though in all honesty the easiest and best play is to fake a guilty on a player in this scenario.
So of the two, I guess Shadow is the worst?

[Fire Assassin]

Though in all honesty the easiest and best play is to fake a guilty on a player in this scenario.
So of the two, I guess Shadow is the worst?

Though this can backfire, leaving him lynched and then Shadow becomes conf town and has to be NK, unless they win the poker matches.

So.....the safe play would be to claim Blocked? so as to not confirm anyone?

I don't know, that still doesn't sound right.

[Fire Assassin]

I pretty much knew it was shadow/fire since the beginning of d3, I was more sure on fire at the time but I wanted shadow dead too.

1-shot roleblocker makes a little bit of sense actually, because if there was a strongman I would probably be dead...I need to think about this more but most likely shadow is just scum either way.

You can't believe its me and Shadow, because we were both on last night to both vote farside at the same time for a quick hammer event.

You can't be this bad.

[Fire Assassin]

Did you ever analysis this wagon? If not, what are your thoughts on those that voted you during that time, see those who flipped currently and in retrospect?

What?
I was never put at L-1 during day 1.

[Fire Assassin]

Spoiler: Context

@Shadow, why shouldn't we suspect you because of how the wagons turned out?

I know wifom but I've been pushing for a MM/Mathblade Lynch since day 2 and if I was scum I could have just jked him to avoid tracking me or my scum buddy instead of killing him.
It would have been easy as fuck to push a mislynch on him today.

Trololol you only live once and I think I was supposed to be the townie that fucks up.

VOTE: Farside

Magna's ISO looks like scummy shit.

The only way scum would have an RB is if town has a powerrole worth blocking no?

True, but an RB with limited shots(1-2) is possible considering the poker PRs.

I literally don't understand why Shadow isn't hard pushing Infinity and vice versa.
They are claiming actions that kind of contradict each other.

Scum could have an rb, plus we are in lylo.
What is it that you don't understand ?

Why would scum have a fucking roleblock in this game?
For the 1 single power role we were given?

You honestly believe that?
this is just unbelievable.

All within a few minutes, if it was me and Shadow, the game would be over.
Infinity is either not paying attention, or scum.

Still not positive.

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: Farside

VOTE: farside

The one group I thought it couldn't be.

[Fire Assassin]

Fuck this game.

[Fire Assassin]

<3

Fuck you.

[Fire Assassin]

wtf was even the "ohhh I have no result?"

[Fire Assassin]

This game was long over with Mathblade tracking a confirm town.

[Fire Assassin]

I am so pissed at everyone. Just going to avoid this thread for awhile.

[Fire Assassin]

I literally don't understand why Shadow isn't hard pushing Infinity and vice versa.
They are claiming actions that kind of contradict each other.

[Fire Assassin]

I should have picked more on that.
W/e

Good game all.
Sorry to everyone I lied about Vigi, this game frustrated me to no ends at multiple points with multiple people.
We may have gotten a scum lynched if i claimed yesterday I lied.