Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[Gorkington]

y r u still not voting scumbloodedtofee

you wanted heartless to give reads before we go into night?

[Gorkington]

i got frustrated with the way dwlee was pushing that read on d1 and his scumgame in paint mafia was terrible.
:/

i guess i underestimated him.

[Gorkington]

im sleeping in 20 minutes.
someone will probably quickhammer before im back from beachthings tomorrow.

if you want to poke my face now is your last chance to.

[Gorkington]

i personally find it hard to parse things in a sea of gutreads and naked votes.
iunno if i used to be better or if the general playstyle of the site has shifted and i havent shifted with it properly, but man.
i feel fucking lost trying to read some people lately.

[Gorkington]

no thanks.
:/

[Gorkington]

vote: bbt

[Gorkington]

that sounds like a d3 problem?

[Gorkington]

to-do:
dwlee meta.
wagon colouring.
shaddow meta.
random meta.
revisit kuroi meta.

please hold me accountable.

[Gorkington]

also someone engaging me would be great. [preferably sometime tonight]
looking at this game is pretty hard right now.

[Gorkington]

idk why people think Im so fake, the only person I know who fakes like all of his town play is radiantcowbells

hi dwlee.
i skimmed musical mafia this morning.

you should talk about who you think is scum now.
or im gonna think you can only carry your scumgame by bussing.

[Gorkington]

yeah i said i was done metadiving you definitely for sure.
:/

youre playing dumb here if you think i should be townreading you after reading that game though.
tpp and skybird buses were as obnoxious as your interactions with bbt this game have been.

[Gorkington]

My reads are kinda a mess rn and Im not sure what is going on

work on making them better instead of flailing around about how obvtown you are then please.

[Gorkington]

right. because apparently direct references to you being willing to tackily bus your scummates is "bad meta" when you flop around about how obvtown you are for repeating over and over that bbt is scum when you literally did the exact same shit in musical mafia. :V:V:V:V:V

[Gorkington]

lets make this clear, aight? im trying to be patient this game. im also not a patient person. dont tempt me to not be patient. if you make a lot of noise with bad reasoning, im going to stop trying to sort you. please stop.

[Gorkington]

why was bbt so easy to spot as scum.

[Gorkington]

colouring yourself on votecounts you post on the thread is really annoying.

[Gorkington]

Question: Who here thinks Randomidget and Dwlee are bussing?

I don't, but I really have no idea why I'm following dwlee if he's scum.

im not really sure what youre trying to say here?

madcausebad??

yeah how about you dont.
=============================================
dwlee.
why would you tell me to read cyberpunk when you literally bus the shit out of your scummates there?
:/

like.
youre really unreasonably pushy with trying to get your scummates lynched in the earlygame in both scumgames ive looked at. [and its actually kind of unpleasant bussing tbh >.>]

you should really talk about this 'tell'. is it specific to bbt? have you used it in previous games? i dont care if youre specific, i just want some level of detail on it.

[Gorkington]

like, dwlee's apparent tell on bbt has to be something really specific if it isnt just a load of shit, because townbbt in cyberpunk was stalling out actually reading the game and dwlee made a big deal out of it there.
i really hate him doing that whole 'EVERYTHING IN THIS ISO IS BAD AND SCUM' post now with that in mind.

[Gorkington]

height of dwlee wagon

Dwlee99 (4) -

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Square World

, Wisdom, KuroiXHF

SirCakez

(3) - Frozen Angel, randomidget,

Third Wheels

shaddowez (1) -

SirCakez

Square World

(1) - shaddowez
KuroiXHF (1) -

Heartless

mhsmith0 (1) - Gorkington

BlueBloodedToffee

(1) - Dwlee99
Not Voting (1) - mhsmith0

first round of square wagon

Square World

(5) - shaddowez,

Heartless

, Wisdom, randomidget,

BlueBloodedToffee

mhsmith0 (2) -

Third Wheels

,

Square World

Dwlee99 (1) - KuroiXHF

SirCakez

(1) -

beeboy

shaddowez (1) -

SirCakez

beeboy

(1) - Gorkington
Not Voting (2) - mhsmith0, Dwlee99

people who jump off before it takes off again:

Heartless

/shaddow

d1 lynch

Square World

(7) - randomidget, KuroiXHF,

beeboy

, Gorkington, Wisdom,

Heartless

, Dwlee99 - LYNCH
KuroiXHF (3) -

Square World

,

Third Wheels

,

BlueBloodedToffee

beeboy

(1) - shaddowez
shaddowez (1) -

SirCakez

Not Voting (1) - mhsmith0

was hoping some more votes would have dropped d2 before the guilty dropped but thats not particularly useful.
otherwise the rest of the votecounts dont seem particularly interesting.

someones already pointed out that in order for the square wagon to be all town, scum would have to be shaddow and mhsmith [which isnt particularly implausible].
if dwlee is scum i think his pointed focus on the wagon could be very intentional. his lack of focus on anyone in particular on the wagon makes me think that if he is scum hes maybe more likely to be avoiding bussing at this point? [and then theres also part of me that says it could be more bussing because its dwlee q.q]
so dwlee/shaddow or dwlee/mhsmith feels like an okay place to start looking for connections.

possibility leaves out randomidget as scum which feels like it could be a thing? [i need to stop avoiding looking at random.]

the more i stew on dwlee's bbt read, the more i actually am not okay with him being ambiguous with what this tell is.

[Gorkington]

at this point i have lame townreads on kuroi/wisdom and maybe smith to a degree.

[Gorkington]

i had one at one point.
:/

[Gorkington]

oh i mean.
i dont like.
have serious suspicions of random being scum.
i was gutreading his early play as town too.

i just dont feel like a gutread that im not even feeling anymore is a good reason to be giving him a pass when hes not doing very much anymore?

[Gorkington]

okay?
id still like to give it more thought than i have though.
q.q

[Gorkington]

shaddowez might have some of the most tonally similar scum/town meta ive ever seen.
i dont think i can even pretend im getting something off of the 3-4 games ive been trying to take notes on :/

[Gorkington]

do you have dwlee as town?

[Gorkington]

also if you can hit me in the face with why shaddow is scum thatd be cool.

p-edit: i mean.
his scum-meta is literally obnoxious bussing.
like.
ridiculously obnoxious.
and a large part of me is feeling like theres a significant chance that this 'tell' of his is potentially him avoiding responsibility for having to explain said push.

[Gorkington]

like, his push on you is really terrible.
but its like.. why even push that angle if hes scum? there are so many easier routes that he could take to fake a scumread on you.
like, i could see "oh wisdom was trying too hard to appease third wheel and the kill points to wisdom because hes the sort of person who would see through third's gambit" or "im paranoid of wisdom" or something to do with bbt.
him getting caught up on word choice is just.. a weird and ineffective and attention-grabbing thing to do if hes scum here, no?

[Gorkington]

and then "I'll pretend to do VCA and ignore everything"

can you talk at me a little more about this?

[Gorkington]

but hes also making a pretty big deal out of people scumreading him too?
im not sure i understand.
what stops the vca from being a crutch to hold up appearances now that he doesnt really have the option to bus if he cant fake scumhunting as scum?

p-edit: i mean thats basically how i feel here.
just. i dont really understand either way and shaddow strikes me as someone that im only going to support lynching if hes in a really small poe pile/i have no strong feelings.

[Gorkington]

if that was his goal, he did a really bad job of it.
lol.

i would maybe think its more likely that it could be scum busywork? i guess its possible the lynchpool is getting so small that he could be scum trying to open the options but still.
i can see plenty of hypotheticals for him being scum.
i dont really feel any of them strongly.

[Gorkington]

So he does it more frequently as scum at least in this game it seems (I only checked it off cyberpunk)

so.
its a frequency thing.
and not even a silver bullet.
and you dont want to say what it is?

[Gorkington]

I told you to read cyberpunk cause you said I only hold my scum game up by bussing and Im a narcissistic prick who wanted you to know that is a lie

[except that at least for the first half of cyberpunk thats literally exactly what you did so im not exactly sure what you wanted to prove to me????]

[Gorkington]

you just chided me for not being willing to trust my d1 gutread on random q.q

[Gorkington]

[shaddow does productive questions as scum too].

[Gorkington]

your focus on wisdom is pretty limited.
beyond his word choice earlier and him not asking random for a claim, do you have beef with anything else hes done this game or what?
have you played with wisdom before?

[Gorkington]

also, you should talk about whether youre townreading random or not.

[Gorkington]

beeboy was a bodyguard no? wouldnt they have targeted someone?

[Gorkington]

oh wait no you tracked cakez n1 zzzz.

[Gorkington]

i kind of feel like the tracker claim might be legit? i dont know if that necessarily makes him town though, especially if the extra killing role is a serial killer

[Gorkington]

does it make sense for scum or town random to target cake/me? dont have time to look right now.

[Gorkington]

the idea is that its 10-2-1 with janitor and tracker to offset for mafia.

[Gorkington]

[which would still have a lot of vanilla]

[Gorkington]

bodyguard, watcher, tracker, inno child, some kind of killing role and scum with no ninja? theres also that bbt doing the kill on n1 could potentially mean that all of the rest of scum felt relatively under fire on d1?

[Gorkington]

zzzzz.
im honestly not sure i trust setup spec when there are a lot of hidden pieces in the setup still.
i feel like ive fucked up too many games on trying to solve things that way so im probably just going to try and metadive random tonight and see how i feel after that.

[Gorkington]

why do people keep saying "Without a ninja"

iuno maybe because how did bbt get guiltied if scum had a ninja that could do the kill?

[Gorkington]

:v
i hope to one day not be such a jerk.

[Gorkington]

him coming to there from realization of there probably being no ninja really isnt all that weird.

[Gorkington]

hes suggesting at least 5 vts which is very much so not role madness?

[Gorkington]

vote: random

hbd.

[Gorkington]

VOTE: Wisdom You have some 'splainin to do.

did i miss something?

[Gorkington]

okay.
so your thought was "wisdom might be scum because he shot shaddow" while heartless body is sitting over there?
>.>

[Gorkington]

zzzzzzzz.

[Gorkington]

if dwlee can be scum thatd be great for my self-esteem in terms of my play this game >.>

i dont think amount of interactions is a great scumhunting tool [and i really dont think theres anything ive done this game that i would be particularly unlikely to do as scum [which is fucking distressing me a lot q.q]]
wisdom is pretty capable of faking that kind of stuff. but hes also really just probably town so.

kuroi might be the read im underthinking, but i just feel like hes town? which is probably a terrible thing to trust at this point because i felt like random and bbt were town.
so.

basically i just feel really fucking bad right now and im struggling to want to look at things because i feel like im just playing like shit.

[Gorkington]

i wonder if wisdom still thinks im scum

hi dwlee.
do you have reads.

[Gorkington]

Gork is town.

what

[Gorkington]

I WANT to read wisdom as town but his interactions regarding me are so bad it is like everything EXCEPT his posting about me makes me think he is tow

what exactly about his interactions regarding you are bad.

[Gorkington]

tbf i would vote you if i felt like voting right now too.

[Gorkington]

how do you feel about basically everyone but kuroi condensing on suspicion on you?
D:

[Gorkington]

just feels kind of more like youre talking at us than genuinely reacting to things.
could be that youre an overly logical player and dont do the whole reaction thing very well.

i kind of tried to engage you on the amount of interactions thing and you just kind of slid past it and then still kind of held it up as reasoning?
if you think its a reasonable point, why not tell me why im wrong.
why does scum not fake interactions with their scummates?
is that not a common thing youve experienced? especially with people who are experienced with the game?

[Gorkington]

i was worried for a bit that this was going to be my first mislynch on this account.
but apparently people are reading me correctly in spite of me being absolutely terrible this game?
honestly, i dont really get it.
and i kind of feel weird talking about it because i feel like im tempting people resorting me, but im thinking about it a lot and its kind of hard to not want to get it off my chest.

basically, if you are town then i understand the annoyance/anxiety from feeling mislynchable.
if youre scum then how dare you try to make me sympathize with you D:

anyway.

if you could talk at me about the number of interactions thing thatd be nifty.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
i more get the sensation of feeling like im not interacting enough with scummates when i ignore them for too long.
i would think soft shitty interactions with scum are more likely to come from scum than complete outright avoidance.

p-edit: kuroi >.>
sometimes you push this ignorance thing like a step too far and i just feel bewildered by it.
anti is half of heartless..

[Gorkington]

one of the first things you did this game was forget that it was a mini theme and everyone said you were town for it?

[Gorkington]

Meanwhile...

Gork please talk about your town reads of bbt/random on day one and how you pretty consistently defended them or pushed alternatives when they were up for discussion. What convinced you they were town to the extent you'd go to bat for them so heavily?

there it is!

[honestly just quoting everything at me isnt productive because im not going to respond to all of it? if theres something specific in my play from d1 that you want me to address then, by all means point it out]
but essentially theres four things that i would say in response to this.
i) bbt's opening seemed close enough to what i'd seen from him before from him as town.
ie: he gets caught up on something that makes no sense to me and acts confident about it in spite of it not making sense to me.
his play was obviously sparse so there wasnt much to read, so i was comfortable thinking that he was on the level early on in the game.

when he started posting more, he was more productive than i'd seen him in the first paint mafia game. thats really mostly it as far as i can remember.

ii) you quoted part of the reason i liked random for town. he was poking at hiplop and i and i didnt think that scum-random does that.

iii) im an overly focused person. if i get caught up on something, i get caught up on something and tend not to focus elsewhere. there were louder and more distracting things on d1 and i overlooked random and bbt and underestimated them both as players.
i get that it sounds convenient, but you have to believe that the entirety of my play this game was dedicated to "i am literally going to nonstop defend my scummates and never call them scum until theyre literally guiltied"
and honestly, i can probably get thinking this is my scumgame.
however:

Like, it's obviously not a lock that we aren't in multi ball or playing against an sk, but the night actions are more consistent w 10/3 and a town vig, x-shot or odd night.

And if it's 10/3, my current best guess is gork. No single post smoking gun or the like, but a lot of day one actions where he was pushing away from wolves and into townies, and a bunch of different townies at that.

iv) i kind of hate the way you reached back to flip your reads here.
i could understand you engaging me on this, not believing what i say in response, but for you to start with "ay dwlee is scum!!!!!!!!!" and then get pushed into a corner about it, be told youre about to be lynched and then for you to come at me as the best option for scum?
i dont know man, thats pretty opportunistic.
:/

[Gorkington]

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Wait. I didn't see how many votes were already on her.

I scared the fuck out of myself. I thought this was a micro game, because Radja does a lot of micro games.

If it was, I would have just killed Frozen Angel.

This was the derp clear moment discussed earlier in the game, I.e. Forgetting that it had >9 players. Which is super hard to actually forget as a wolf (barring multi ball I guess).

You ever see a wolf successfully pull off a "oh crap I forgot how many players were in the game" play?

I guess the flip side is if kuroi realized that his # players estimate was off, he should have just revoted FA based on his thought progression. /ninjad: yep, that's the counter point

But it still seems reasonably likely to be a town-indicative moment, unless there's any evidence that this sort of fake play is within kuroi's wolf range.

Hmm... Well, I guess I'll think on it. I agree that 75 looks off, and I'll look at the other points. OTOH, I just finished a game where kuroi's slot was the D1 lynch, so I'm a bit nervous about him just being lynchbaity. I'll try to compare this one to that one and see if there are any good parallels or not.

But in a 13p setup, the mafia would basically KNOW that there were >9 people, just by way of their role PM. The only way they wouldn't is if it was something like 10/2/1 (with an SK... and the SK would know that it's >9 people since when do you see an SK with 9 or less) or 9/2/2 mulitball where the role PM's didn't bother to make the multiball aspect clear.

So either kuroi is just INCREDIBLY sloppy mafia (who posted while forgetting that he had multiple teammates, presuming a relatively standard 10/3 setup), or there's info withheld or made unclear in his role PM... or it was a legitimately indicative moment, either because he was intentionally faking the derp, or because it actually was a true town derp moment.

And if Kuroi is a player who has never before tried this kind of fake derp moment as mafia, then it just seems likelier that he's just a townie who's being really sloppy in his postings, both in terms of remembering the setup and in terms of everything else (including the stuff about his read progressions). Like, I wouldn't want to bet the game on this, but I'm not especially inclined to want him dead anytime soon either.

A bit more on that.

VOTE: Kuroi

I kinda don't think bbt pushes a buddy to be competing w a square wagon there, not with a realistic chance that square claims a role and town pisses off onto Kuroi.

Random pushes dwlee a bit too early on d3 for me to really think it's just a "I'm going down anyway" fake push on a buddy.

[i should really not let myself get worked up when i get pushed >.> there was development there so its at least not out of no where. i probably need some time to parse whether this was scummy or not because my kneejerk is clearly "RAHRAHRADIE" right now and i dont trust it q.q]

[Gorkington]

this is honestly so frustrating.
ive had one or two moments this whole game that ive felt good about a scumread.
one was wrong.
and now my gut is telling me that other was wrong too.

i dont even think my gut is a valid tool anymore.
:/

[Gorkington]

see, its this selective engagement bullshit that im really struggling with.
i responded to you again and you glanced me over and instead are just posturing over your shit.

also, lol at you saying you grabbed 'particular' quote slices when its just literally everywhere that i fucked up.
nobody needs you to explain why those posts look bad.

[Gorkington]

its probably either dwlee or mhsmith.
my engagement with this game has been dead for ages,
i dont think anyone has asked me a question and followed up on it in like..
at least three day cycles.

[Gorkington]

we're not doing a flavourclaim if we're not doing a massclaim.

Random pushes dwlee a bit too early on d3 for me to really think it's just a "I'm going down anyway" fake push on a buddy.

if this is the extent of your townread on dwlee thats almost as good as the # of interactions tell you were spouting earlier.

excuse me while i check the weather.
i hear thats a good way of telling whether someone is scum too.

[Gorkington]

It's not so much that you fucked up as it is that you acted in ways that deflected attention from wolves onto townies repeatedly on d1. That's more than "my reads sucked" (which happens to us all), it's actively acting in a pro-wolf manner. In particular, one thing I want to re-read for is whether you acted similarly for any of your other stated town reads or if it was just random and bbt.

i drive the game the way i want it to move. its how i play.

let me ask you a question.
have you ever seen scum hard-defend their scummates and drive people away from their wagons like i did?

p-edit: i think that means im town unfortunately.

[Gorkington]

like, i could get it if i like was being subtle or trying to slightly push people away, but i literally bashed my head with people to get them off bbt and was unabashedly townleaning random on lame reasoning/standing up to hiplop on that.

yeah.
sure.
i could have been scum doing that.
i dont really imagine myself having the energy to keep that up.

[Gorkington]

i also still feel like youre not trying to engage me here.

[Gorkington]

so you think i was like "oh fuck this earlygame wagon is a huge threat to us i better make sure cake gets wagoned so that random doesnt get lynched" because man thats definitely a real thought process i would have.
like.
if i was supposedly attention deflecting, i did a shit job of being subtle about it, which is ideally the point of attention deflecting.
you dont deflect attention while also making obvious connections.
literally the only thing that i feel remotely would explain me doing that is me thinking that i could pull off "i wouldnt do this as scum" later on, not literally wanting to protect my scummates.

you have to look at more than just actions. you have to poke at the context behind them.

p-edit: the point about dwlee was overly simplistic. partially intentionally so. and partially me being frustrated and not wanting to actually think about what you were doing at the time.
i literally right after admitted that i was being stupid and that there was more to your development there than what i had seen.

and frankly wrt your "sorting me" the only question youve levied my way is asking me to explain my entire ISO.
excuse me if im skeptical of your intentions of sorting me by anything other than just things that look surface level scummy.

[Gorkington]

im frustrated because i feel like my towngame speaks for itself.
like.
i personally find it almost impossible to imagine me faking the way i play my towngame.
theres a reason ive never been mislynched on this account and its not just because im a fucking dumb crybaby [though thats probably a part of it].

i guess on some level i probably deserve to be mislynched for being so absolutely terrible this game.
but i do think that the way ive played is just..
i dont think i could have done this as scum.

[Gorkington]

have nothing to offer.
i dont roll scum on this account.
:/

[Gorkington]

Sure, but if the game doesn't end today and the vig isn't shot, we have a conftown in 3p lylo

unless the vig is an sk :I

A) we probably already lose in this case.
B) why is this your focus the last 2-3 days?

[Gorkington]

we've already clarified this dwlee.
you literally acknowledged it earlier.

[Gorkington]

im back to thinking its dwlee.

[Gorkington]

the way that kuroi got really indignant at people earlier read town, from what i remember his townmeta looks more like this game than his scummeta, and my gut just doesnt get hungry at the idea of him being scum.
wisdom is probably town and i feel bad that i cant come up with better reasons to espouse than this.
smith's effort rings more genuine than dwlee's.

can still really easily see this being dwlee's scum-bussing meta and i kind of feel like his reaction to me pointing that out originally may have been weird? may need to look at it again.
and theres that his entire focus right now is very limited and is almost entirely based on mechanics and whether theres a serialkiller in the setup.
theres no trying to parse whether someone is scum, just trying to figure out if wisdom is an okay lynch because he might be SK [which is really a bad angle to be looking at and kind of reminds me of some other scumgames ive seen from other players]

[Gorkington]

zzzzz.
does dwlee fake the reaction to self-hammering though?
like.
theres a really huge part of me that feels like anyone would assume that the mod wouldnt count that and him getting all antsy about it might have just been a gambit.
i dont really feel strongly about that though.
:/

[Gorkington]

have you ever seen scum do that ever.
why are you forcing me to question you on your scumread on my strongest scumread kuroi.
q.q

[Gorkington]

wis do you have a hold-up on dwlee being scum here?

[Gorkington]

ok.
smith check-in would be lovely before anything happens.

[Gorkington]

put yourself in his shoes.
the more i think about what i or most people would do in the event of a quote tag failing, i would not assume i was about to be lynched.

[Gorkington]

theres also that in spite of his intense confidence in his random and bbt scumreads, i have yet to see any kind of serious scumhunting from him since the rest of the scumteam was lynched out.
he seemed overly content to spec over wisdom being an SK instead of hunting for last scum.
the difference in play now is enough that it smells dissonant to me and i think hes probably scum who doesnt have any easy options left.

[Gorkington]

hi dwlee.

dgb push was literally you finding a mistake in her claim.
you didnt drive the mislynch on ds. you parked on pere and made one throwaway comment about him.

i dont see many votes in that iso either?
or much pushing in general?

in fact more of it is just you calling people town over and over which jives with the way youve been playing this cycle so far.

i really fail to see what point youre trying to make.

p-edit: if you have personal stuff going on irl right now then take a break from the game.
but you quoting cyberpunk at me when ive already read it when it really just backs you up being scum for me isnt changing anything.

[Gorkington]

q.q

[Gorkington]

its really frustrating imagining myself letting this go and having you be scum buddying me incredibly hard.
:/

[Gorkington]

:/

i really hate myself for this.
but my heart isnt in scumreading dwlee again.

[Gorkington]

which i'll be honest, i have no idea what to even look at now.
ive independently thought that everyone else left is town for various reasons.
zzzz.

[Gorkington]

vote: kuroi

[Gorkington]

because i feel its you or him.
and at this point im more unhappy at the idea of losing to him.

[Gorkington]

that is pretty funny.

[Gorkington]

heres my case:

because i feel its you or him.
and at this point im more unhappy at the idea of losing to him.

pretty good right.
im tired of this game.
if scum is dwlee or wisdom then they probably win because
a) im not unvoting kuroi today.
b) im only voting you tomorrow if kuroi doesnt flip scum now.

thats my game plan for the rest of the game.
hope that clears things up.

[Gorkington]

how about.
your read on kuroi is paper thin.
scum can fake individual interactions.
you look at things that are barely surface level and act like it surmises the entirety of someone's play.
pointing at one event in a game thats gone on this long and saying "this is town" is bad.
im townreading dwlee's reactions the last few pages.

which either means youre scum faking parsing things or kuroi is probably scum coasting on dumb fake towntells.

im not going to make another case on anyone beyond this.
unhappy about it?
k.
either youre town with bad reads or scum and i dont really feel i need to engage you further to get from point a to point b which is either lynching kuroi and the game is over or lynching kuroi and then hopefully you and the game is over.
good talk gents.

[Gorkington]

honestly.

vote: smith

thats just such a terrible question to be asking at this stage.

[Gorkington]

90% of me wants to vote the path of least resistance to get this game over with.
and then the last 10% of me knows that you asking me about my wisdom read at this point is just absolutely not protown.
and if you were town i think you would know why.

[Gorkington]

i changed my mind.
tends to happen when interactions happen in a game.

if you dont want my shit in lylo then 1v1 me now and either you die or i die and you dont have to deal with me there.

[Gorkington]

i'll make it easy for you.
dwlee and i probably wont vote each other in lylo.
we lynch kuroi, wisdom probably dies.

as your reads stand, you cant in good conscience let kuroi be lynched if you are town.

so.
unfortunately youre in quite the pickle right now, arent you?

[Gorkington]

im not just sick of dealing with you.
like.
your one-note focus is honestly pretty frustrating if it is genuine.
but.
im more sick of this game.
and this site.
and i would replace but i dont want to do that to radja at this stage.

ive got my reads.
youve got yours.

ive frankly decided that your cooperation in the matter isnt important anymore.
sorry.
but im tired of butting heads with you on extremely overfocused one-note points.

[Gorkington]

i'll probably feel absolutely terrible and apologize profusely at you when the game's over.
even if youre scum.

im just..
trying to deal with the now.
sorry.

[Gorkington]

i dont think its that youre annoying.
if you are town, i think youre attaching to small details where the big picture is maybe more important.
i guess i could be wrong about dwlee.
i dont really feel that i am though.

zzzz.

like, i actually want to lock you into opinions so you don't get to hem and haw and dance around for the easiest option in LYLO.

what exactly was the concern here.
be specific please.

[Gorkington]

okay neat.
how are both wisdom and i going to get to 3 players left.
and have both of us be viable options to be voted for?
if you cant see what im getting at, then i dont understand what game youre reading.

[Gorkington]

basically the entire question seems pointless and it should be obvious why.
and you asking it and standing behind it is pretty awful.

p-edit: what does my read on wisdom matter then?
:/

[Gorkington]

like, i can only really think of one reason you ask that question.
and the timing of it [when it looks like kuroi is about to be lynched] looks really really really bad.

[Gorkington]

i guess unless it was a dumb mindless question.
but still.
like.

:/

p-edit: jesusssssssssssss.
you cant be missing this context.

[Gorkington]

i hate this game and that literally everyone is having genuine sounding reactions to things.

[Gorkington]

i feel like answering this is anti-town.
:/

i still feel like scum can inherit information from this for the one thing they need to be safer going into 3 players if we dont lynch scum today.

[Gorkington]

yall have no idea how much i just want to hammer so this is over faster.

[Gorkington]

not scum?
:/

[Gorkington]

[if you are scum please just say so]

[Gorkington]

was just hoping the game was over.
thats a far more exciting concept than trying to parse anything going on at this point.

[Gorkington]

assuming kuroi isnt pulling some really dumb shenanigans, i kind of think its dwlee.
which makes me feel stupid.
and if its not then i guess im also stupid.
i guess thats just a constant here.

[Gorkington]

Ps if this is wrong and you guys wanna vote me tomorow whatever, but my flavor claim really should be clearing and I would never have let my team take that terrible n1 shot in a million years.

i thought the implication was that scum shot heartless n1?
if youre so good at night actions as scum, why is your role spec this game so ridiculously strange >.>

[Gorkington]

gotcha.

[Gorkington]

hadnt even occurred to me that scum would have used one of the janitor shots. [bodyguard interaction would make that possible i guess?]
its also possible that they might have been saving them?
though i guess thats also kind of silly.

that n1 kill does seem pretty stupid in hindsight q.q

[Gorkington]

im honestly not entirely sure what the mechanical advantage to janitor is in this setup tbh.

[Gorkington]

im dumb about roles.
i usually just like shooting who im scared of as scum.
i dont really know if i would have shot heartless in that situation, but its not entirely implausible.
your flavour covering you isnt really super reliable but im still feeling dwlee here.
you better shoot me tonight dwlee.

p-edit: i mean.
bbt wasnt exactly being townread.
i see no reason why he would hold on to a janitor shot.

[Gorkington]

im not looking forward to reading afterlife.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
ive basically spelled out how i approach nightkills as scum.

i care more about shaping the playerlist towards endgame.
i guess the best argument against me being scum is that i wouldnt shoot heartless because as confirmed ic they were really likely to lurk out in my eyes?

[Gorkington]

you have no idea how happy i'd be.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
you did sound genuinely pissed at me.
dont really want to hope that its just you being pissed at being lamelynched as scum because that seems kind of unlikely.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
that isnt even related to the conversation.
and might not even be true?
but okay.