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Shadow has been asking a bunch of crappy questions (128, 214, 217, 257, 371), similar to mini 1782 at quick glance. Shadow, can you link your most recent two completed town games? I want to see if this is AI for you or not.
Ps I'm not entirely what to think of shadows question to heartless in 257. It feels like he's trying to sort them, except they're mod confirmed town. It's the kind of sloppiness I tend to associate w town, but I wonder if it's just a sign of forgetting who he's supposed to be reading.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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The argument is that shadow is trying harder to make posts that look good (or at least that don't look bad) than he is to make posts that are actually useful. That's scummy behavior.In post 383, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 359, Dwlee99 wrote:Just read through their iso andI see zero things wrong with their posting.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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What are you seeing that's town indicative in shadows tone?In post 358, Dwlee99 wrote:The tone of the posts plus Im not seeing where these scum reads on them are coming fromShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Re 395: Well, "are you just posting to make yourself look good instead of be useful" is itself a useless question. It's not like you're going to respond with "oh crap you got me".
I'll look at those town games when I have time. May not be today.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Why on each? Other than "they're fighting, must not be tvt"?In post 401, Third Wheels wrote:could also do frozen angel
Why?In post 402, Randomnamechange wrote: Third Wheels is scum.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Do you see FA/sc as a duo where w/w is much less likely than t/t?In post 404, Randomnamechange wrote:They said they are fine lynching two people who are very unlikely to both be scum. They don't care who gets lynched.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Why me over various others who are pushing on shadow?In post 444, Square World wrote:i think all of the options that include mhsmith0 make more senseShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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His stayed reasoning was that I fit because I was pushing shadow. Given that plenty of people are pushing there, it seems shallow for what is by implication his strongest scum read.In post 466, Wisdom wrote:
badIn post 453, mhsmith0 wrote:
Why me over various others who are pushing on shadow?In post 444, Square World wrote:i think all of the options that include mhsmith0 make more senseShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Except none of those PoE town reads have been justified. The closest was bbt as lynchbait, and even there it wasn't clear why he thought it.In post 472, Wisdom wrote:Except for where he used PoE to determine his 4 scumreads and he listed all possibilities with those 4. Others pushing shaddowez have nothing to do with it.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Gorkington for starters. Also curious on kuroi. And for bbt, why lynch bait in particular?In post 479, Square World wrote:question me a townread and i'll answer thatShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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How so? He presents a read on me that boils down to "he's pushing shadow" (plus PoE). Why wouldn't I question that?In post 477, Wisdom wrote:So what? That doesn't change your point is bullshit.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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In post 479, Square World wrote:question me a townread and i'll answer that
Dude you literally offered to explain your town reads, and I took you up on it. Your argument is what exactly? That I fell into your trap?In post 487, Square World wrote:the fact mhsmith0 is questioning my townreads rather than looking at my scumpool is a red flag
I attacked your town reads? I recall point out that you hadn't backed them up and asked you to back them up. How is that an attack?In post 490, Square World wrote:i think he's also distancing shaddowez (why wouldn't he keep pushing shaddow rather than attack my townreads?)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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1) I missed the PoE post when first questioning him - even if I hadn't though I don't think my original question was awfulIn post 486, Wisdom wrote:-SW presents a POEd playerlist
-SW speculates on the possible pairings of his 4 POEd scumreads
-You question why he isnt pushing others for pushing shaddoweh: This is awful for two reasons: a)He nowhere said that's why he's scumreading you b)The POEd playerlist should answer why he isnt pushing others for it - he's townreading them.
-I point this out and you change your argument to "he nowhere explained why he's townreading all the others" - you're dodging how your argument was awful here and you're arguing something new.
In the end you just want to defend against the scumread against you but you don't know where it came from so you can't.
2) the PoE post was still unexplained and worth questioning
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Boom Shaka lakaShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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@heartless: what's driving the strong gork town read? Ditto the strong wisdom scum read?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Because I'm interested in what they have to say (especially anti since I was really impressed by him in the aero upick micro).
Wrt my read of you, I didn't like your rvs, I suspect that your shadow vote was just early distancing (although that depends on shadow being scum and I still want to skim his town games to refine my opinion there), and your hop onto me was pretty awkward. Otoh those aren't super strong things, and there are people who are town reading you so I'd like to know what I'm missing.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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In post 10, Gorkington wrote:i sure hope someone does something scummy.
it might be hard to know who to vote otherwise.
:sIn post 12, Gorkington wrote:that would be pretty rude.These all read as awkward to me. Especially given that none if them was an actual RVS vote. Do you normally avoid voting while rvs posting?
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No. Well, maybe 12 was. But 10/15 were messing around type posts, but at the same time weren't doing anything (as opposed to the normal rvs "pushing people for bs reasons" bit, which is at least actually doing something).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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It was awkward. "Messing around" type posts, but the tone of it seemed off. I'm probably bad at explaining this, but it seemed like those posts were "look at how relaxed I am" as opposed to posts that actually WERE relaxed.In post 565, Gorkington wrote:so, its not awkward, its not productive?
17 was another awkward one (this one read as serious). You'll "think on" if FA was scum? What's there to think on in a page 1 rvs wagon?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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I also figured I'd get around to skimming some of your other games to see if your RVS stuff was common or potentially AI for you, and didn't want to make a point of it before doing so.Otoh those aren't super strong things, and there are people who are town reading you so I'd like to know what I'm missing.
And the "you might be distancing shadow" depends on shadow being a wolf, which I wasn't especially sure of either.
And wrt your vote hop, wisdom has already been bugging you about it, and I didn't think it was productive for me to barge in on it just for the sake of doing so (and I was curious why wisdom town read my response anyway so I wanted to see where he went w it).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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What's the dwlee case?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Dwlee is up to 4 votes w the case apparently being that he said he's "hormonal af" when talking about his anger. Anything else to it?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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It's a crappy situation for sure.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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How so? He was vote #2 IIRC.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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explain your logic on both of these. The second seems reachy and I have no clue what you think was AI from my post.In post 678, Third Wheels wrote:
this guy is scumIn post 476, mhsmith0 wrote:Except none of those PoE town reads have been justified. The closest was bbt as lynchbait, and even there it wasn't clear why he thought it.
^ scared scumIn post 496, SirCakez wrote:third wheels should be vigged if we have oneShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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In fairness, IMO I do tend to make myself pretty obvious town (I'm presuming this is utl btw, I've never played w hiplop and I don't think summer would have that strong of an opinion if my game after that one newbie). Not like after two posts, but it's usually not particularly hard to see after a while. That said...In post 705, Third Wheels wrote:mhsmith [post]689[/post is classic scum. Defending himself while trying to throw shade. Its a really, really bad attempt.
This is a guy who in literally every other game I've seen him in has made himselfincredibly obvioustown. Like innocent child level towna fter like two posts. Here, he is awkward and defensive
I also don't see what's wrong with this post. Your 678 was a naked "this post is bad" type read on me (and a reachy reaction to sc post), so I asked about it. Your "worst post of the game" but seems like a major over-reaction to this (and I'd note ftr that in your response you didn't bother to explain what you thought was wrong with 476).In post 698, Third Wheels wrote:
this is the worst post in the game so far.In post 689, mhsmith0 wrote:explain your logic on both of these. The second seems reachy and I have no clue what you think was AI from my post.
Ps what other games of mine have you read? I was w utl/summer in one newbie and I don't think I've been w any if you otherwise (unless alts).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Honestly, I didn't really have anything to add. Partially because I got a bit distracted by TW's "gladiate" bit.In post 725, Heartless wrote:mhsmith, you asked and we both bothered to give our take on Wisdom. Do you have anything to add or did it bore you enough to not want to continue the conversation?
The "these are weak reads" bit de-emphasized the strength of them; I'd been under the impression you had strong reads there, so when you said they weren't strong it became a bit less interesting (I'd been leaning town on Wisdom and wolf on Gork at the time). I also started to feel better about Gork after our back and forth (basically back to null for me), so even though that wasn't directly discussed here (though I think it was the anti head who did below?), I wasn't as worried about it.In post 596, Heartless wrote:But for one, you're overestimating the strength of my reads right now. I started out having 5 tiers (strong town-weak town-null-weak scum-strong scum) and the two extremes didn't end up getting filled at all so I nixed them. Looking back at the list, I'm not sure if random should be where he is but I'll have to see.
For another, I get the feeling that this Gork thing is just a distraction that Wis is pushing. It came out of nowhere and it was while the shadow wagon had solid backing so I'm not sure why Wisdom would gut the wagon he was ostensibly so sure about to chase this.
wrt Wisdom, I guess I can see the case there, but idk. I was also hoping Wisdom would get around to answering Gork's 539, but he hasn't bothered yet, which is bugging me a bit (I'm still curious what drove his read on my from that post - I have a guess but I'd like to see what his reasoning actually was). It's also kinda funny that Wisdom did a naked hop onto the dwlee wagon after you call him out for his Gork hop. I don't know if that was just jumping ship on a bad wagon or what, but the dwlee wagon seems sketchy enough that I'm suspicious of it, and am curious whether anyone actually comes up with a good reason for it at some point or not.
I mean, this is pretty much a non-response by Wisdom on the implied question of why Wisdom was scum-reading Gork. I'm also curious if Wisdom gets around to explaining his process in greater detail on this read as well. And by this point I was feeling better about Gork so I wasn't much interested in delving into Gork specifically.In post 632, Wisdom wrote:
Idk, he's weirdIn post 630, Heartless wrote:i mean... what's the big idea behind gork being scum anyway? gork schemes up this sooper sweet scum strategy and then proceeds to blurt it out and then blatantly troll about it?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I mean...In post 710, Third Wheels wrote:Smith is hundo percent scum
Scummy dwlee votes me naked for no reason right after I expose this
Sure fucking looking like hes trying to defend. I don't give a fuck if you're IC, I want to lynch scum
1) I still don't particularly see the dwlee case (I also don't know dwlee well enough to know if the derp explanation for the quick vote TW cited was legitimate or not, but it at least seems plausible)
2) I don't recall UTL doing anything like "100% scum" in our game together, but it was just one game, and I don't know hiplop at all so idk if this is normal for them or not. Like, there are players who oversell stuff as town, but idk if they're among that list. Why anyone would actually have a strong read for the posts that TW cited (476, 689) is beyond me.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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So wrt kuroi, IMO this incident either basically derp-clears him or is completely fake. Like, does kuroi make these kinds of posts as a wolf? Anyone here familiar w his meta and range when he's a wolf?In post 82, KuroiXHF wrote:I scared the fuck out of myself. I thought this was a micro game, because Radja does a lot of micro games.
If it was, I would have just killed Frozen Angel.
PS Notably, wisdom quick-voted kuroi right after this, which implies that wisdom thought it was fake. Wisdom, why did you think this was fake by kuroi?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@gork: thoughts on kuroi's 76/82? You familiar w/ his wolf meta? Does he do this sort of fake dumb tell as wolf?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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wait, so you're saying you think he's not capable of it? Or am I misreading you?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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You ever see a wolf successfully pull off a "oh crap I forgot how many players were in the game" play?
I guess the flip side is if kuroi realized that his # players estimate was off, he should have just revoted FA based on his thought progression. /ninjad: yep, that's the counter point
But it still seems reasonably likely to be a town-indicative moment, unless there's any evidence that this sort of fake play is within kuroi's wolf range.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Hmm... Well, I guess I'll think on it. I agree that 75 looks off, and I'll look at the other points. OTOH, I just finished a game where kuroi's slot was the D1 lynch, so I'm a bit nervous about him just being lynchbaity. I'll try to compare this one to that one and see if there are any good parallels or not.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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But in a 13p setup, the mafia would basically KNOW that there were >9 people, just by way of their role PM. The only way they wouldn't is if it was something like 10/2/1 (with an SK... and the SK would know that it's >9 people since when do you see an SK with 9 or less) or 9/2/2 mulitball where the role PM's didn't bother to make the multiball aspect clear.
So either kuroi is just INCREDIBLY sloppy mafia (who posted while forgetting that he had multiple teammates, presuming a relatively standard 10/3 setup), or there's info withheld or made unclear in his role PM... or it was a legitimately indicative moment, either because he was intentionally faking the derp, or because it actually was a true town derp moment.
And if Kuroi is a player who has never before tried this kind of fake derp moment as mafia, then it just seems likelier that he's just a townie who's being really sloppy in his postings, both in terms of remembering the setup and in terms of everything else (including the stuff about his read progressions). Like, I wouldn't want to bet the game on this, but I'm not especially inclined to want him dead anytime soon either.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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That's an over-statement. "He's lynchbaity so I'm nervous about wagoning him" is a lot different than "he's lynchbaity so he has a golden ticket".In post 741, Heartless wrote:
I really don't want to hear this anymore. From anyone.In post 739, mhsmith0 wrote:OTOH, I just finished a game where kuroi's slot was the D1 lynch, so I'm a bit nervous about him just being lynchbaity.
I'm not unreasonable. If in the course of a wagon, Kuroi changes my mind and I start townreading him (entirely possible, it happens all the time), then that's what will happen.
If you have reasons that you can articulate for him being town, that's one thing. But saying "he's lynchbait so I'mnottouching him" just cuts me off at the knees by not letting me apply any pressure and lets Kuroi coast for pretty much no reason.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Well, no. A player who's lynchbaity has a higher threshold of what it takes to get lynched, but that doesn't mean that it's infinitely high. A player who's lynchbaity AND who has a plausibly town-indicative derp moment, though, has a (IMO) pretty high threshold. Like I said, I'll skim the game I had w kuroi to see what the comparison looks like. If I see substantial differences, I'll be more inclined to consider a vote. If it looks like just the same pattern, then it's a harder sell.In post 744, Gorkington wrote:in application its kind of similar though.
i should stop being lazy and actually compile thoughts on him.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Yeah but you no post for over 24 hours, then when gork pushes you, you're on and commenting within 10 minutes. So the first question in my mind isn't what might possibly be wrong with gorks vote, it's why you chose to talk about just this, and why it happened so quickly.In post 792, Frozen Angel wrote:cuase you had a town read on me and scum read on cake
why you voted me over cake when you poe'ed other?
that make no sense to me
Edit: ok you might be flaking... but you were still keeping enough of an eye on the game to quickly pop in just to defend yourself.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@fa: I'm not pushing you for your activity level, I'm pushing you for the fact that you came back on to this game FAST to defend yourself.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I'm not pushing you based on stuff out of game; you're defending yourself based on OOG stuff, but that wasn't why I was pushing you.In post 830, Frozen Angel wrote:I was online and I was posting a VC in one of my games
simply I was coming back to game after that to catchup
I don't understand the basic of this faulty way of accusing me based on the stuff out of this game.
My point isn't that inactivity is necessarily wolfy, but inactivity combined w beetle-juicing (say your name and here you are) is wolfy.
You also said that you were doing a vc then coming in here to catch up. So in the time between the vc and your re-entrance here in 789, were you re-reading, and if so, what did you find? Was that where 812 came from?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Who is the "you" here? Because if it's me I'm legitimately offended by this, when inactivity by itself was explicitly not my point, and "you don't count me as a human being" is pretty low as an attack unless there's something substantive justifying it (and I don't see anything that does).In post 847, Frozen Angel wrote:you know what? cuase you have problem with my activity level and you don't count me as a human being.
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Can we not do this? FA is replacing out, for better or worse, no need to make it personal.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Given that she just said she was, what's the point of re-asking?In post 872, Square World wrote:are you pregnant?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Do you mean wrt her departure and to surrounding posts, or something else?In post 894, Wisdom wrote:i mean FA obvtowned the slot alreadyShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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From one player to another, that's why I said the game was finished (which it was).In post 882, KuroiXHF wrote:FYI from one player to another - you shouldn't mention ongoing games.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I'm sorry, but is this describing your wagon or your iso? Because that seems to fit your game here so far pretty well.In post 901, Square World wrote:poor scum hunting and/or wagon hoppingShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Ok cool.In post 923, KuroiXHF wrote:
You know what? We're thinking of two different games. I just realized you were talking about Stack The Deck. I was thinking about a different one.In post 921, mhsmith0 wrote:
From one player to another, that's why I said the game was finished (which it was).In post 882, KuroiXHF wrote:FYI from one player to another - you shouldn't mention ongoing games.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Any thoughts on the three slots that naked hopped onto your wagon after the heartless vote?In post 930, Square World wrote:leaning on mhsmith0 + KuroiXHF + shaddowez with a possibility of randomidget
And from 678 to 930, any particular reason your earlier third wheels scum read dropped off? And kuroi went from town to scum?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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^random was one of those three; any particular reason for him over the other two? Or why he's less scummy than your top three?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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The point of those questions was to see why SW wasn't particularly scum-reading his wagon (as well as his changed reads on the other slots - dwlee and cakez also seemed to shift without explanation). Since SW hasn't been super open w his thinking this game.
Although, yes, I was being a bit lazy w my reading/recollection of why people hopped on him.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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And why are they town reads?In post 948, Square World wrote:
they're all townreads (except random)In post 942, mhsmith0 wrote:why SW wasn't particularly scum-reading his wagonShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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And what drove your changing reads on kuroi, third wheels, dwlee, and cakez?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I want to understand your thinking. It's fairly natural to suspect your wagon, so I'm curious what you're seeing that's strong enough to override that tendency.In post 951, Square World wrote:
why you want me to attack my wagon?In post 949, mhsmith0 wrote:
And why are they town reads?In post 948, Square World wrote:
they're all townreads (except random)In post 942, mhsmith0 wrote:why SW wasn't particularly scum-reading his wagonShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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What meta on kuroi? What posts make third wheels look townier? And why did your gut read on cake shift?In post 954, Square World wrote:
kuroi is metaIn post 953, mhsmith0 wrote:And what drove your changing reads on kuroi, third wheels, dwlee, and cakez?
third wheels is looking townier
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And what's the source of your scum read on me? PoE? 487? Anything else?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Clarify how I'm discrediting instead of questioning/asking for more info on what have been largely unsupported reads.In post 960, Square World wrote:mhsmith0
the way you're discrediting my reads. when i got a scumpool:
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1) how so?1. he's acting different from his town game
2. they're doing something (posts #666+)
2) just about everyone is doing something. What do you think of what they're doing?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Is there a good example of FA showing this level of frustration as scum? I've seen her get super frustrated once as town (mini 1782 w jake), am curious if there's a decent analogue as scum.In post 983, Heartless wrote:Frustration is unequivocally null for FA and beeboys posts are worrying me.
I await thoughts once you're up to speed beeboy.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I can maybe see frustration in 947. Beeboy, where do you see frustration in 901 and 963?In post 981, Wisdom wrote:I dont really see frustration in those, but okay
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In post 989, beeboy wrote:Dunno I just do that isn't something I would lie about.
901 is basically "yeah this wagon sucks" in a seemingly non-emotional way.
963 is basically "lol this guy".
Walk me through where you're seeing frustration. And why wouldn't wolf!beeboy lie about or just half-ass his reads?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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You think my focus of my questioning of square was his read of you? Walk me through how you got that impression; I was questioning him on a lot of things.In post 995, KuroiXHF wrote:His constant pressure on Square's scum read on me.
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Is stating reads you can't explain something you do much as town?Because I am self aware of how terrible that post appears to be and I wouldn't commit myself to an opinion I can't explain as scum o3o.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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