Mini 1831 - Final Fantasy IX [Over]

[Radical Rat]

I haven't actually played any FF games to completion, because I'm a filthy casual, though I have enjoyed the six or so I've played off and on.

Actually never touched IX though, so this should be interesting.

VOTE: VanillaTwice
I don't trust Vedith.

[Radical Rat]

I do know Vivi from Kingdom Hearts though, and he seems like a rad guy.

[Radical Rat]

I've heard very good things about XIV, but monthly fees are a problem for me.

If they ever switch to a one-time purchase, or even just allow limited free play without a time restriction, I'd probably play it though.

[Radical Rat]

STOP DISCRIMINATION TOWARDS HYDRAS

#HYDRALIVESMATTER

Btw I'm gonna lynch everybody who says XIII was good.

~Jester

XIII was good, fight me.


My only experience with Ira was when he was Town, and he sounds pretty similar right now, for what it's worth.

That said, I don't like to use meta for my reads, and flavor claiming immediately seems kind of strange.

Null right now.

@Vanilla
Why are you so quick to Ira's defence?

[Radical Rat]

I can't tell yet with iron aside from already if I'm looking and end game that's not who i want there. You cut the gordian knot afterall.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SpyreX

Town shouldn't be planning for endgame.
Town should be fighting against an endgame situation ever existing.

[Radical Rat]

There's not a lot here I have major opinions on yet.

I have some very weak initial reads, but mostly townreads( mollie, ira, and camn are the ones that come to mind first ).

Vedith is a real spookster, but.... That's Vedith. I'm gonna try to base my read there more on the other head, which hasn't stood out to me yet.

SpyreX is currently my "top scumread" because of that endgame comment on D1, but I want to see more before jumping to conclusions.

Once my reads solidify, I will be much louder here.

[Radical Rat]

"once my reads solidify i will be much louder here" might be the worst line ever. i dont remember saying that as town ever man

I just meant that as a sort of apology for lack of early activity, and a promise that I'll get better at that when stuff starts happening.

[Radical Rat]

What are you doing to solidify your reads? When should we expect more from you?

Being passive is anti-town since we don't get a read on you easily and you rely on other players generating discussion....

I don't really know how to provoke scummy responses from nothing, so I scumhunt by watching for contradictions or actions that seem anti-town, then I drill those and judge the reactions by the "target" and rest of the game.

As for when you should expect more... Depends on the pace of the game, but if I haven't found something by D2 something's probably wrong.

[Radical Rat]

V/LA until Sunday.

[Radical Rat]

V/LA Over early

I will read and post as soon as I get the chance.

[Radical Rat]

Sorry, sorry.

Life happened, but I'm here now. Will try to catch up tonight and get a proper post out in the morning.

[Radical Rat]

UNVOTE: until I read up.

[Radical Rat]

Hm.
I wish there were a bit of a stronger crumb to go off of, because VoicelessReason's posts seem town to me.

But I find it hard to believe a weak role wouldn't let us know they're target in some way, and you're the only one who fits the bill.

VOTE: VoicelessReason

[Radical Rat]

If I were a weak doc I, suprise, wouldnt be doccing a townread.

Why not? When you live they're conftown, and It doesn't do us any good if you die without telling us your target

[Radical Rat]

A cop should always check scumreads, yes.

But it's important to note the Doc aspect of a Weak Doc. Why would you waste a protection on scum?

[Radical Rat]

Give me 5... I live in Asia, I'll hammer him before he wakes up!

That's just a dick move, and anti-town at that.
He should be present for his lynch so he can give last reads/remarks.

[Radical Rat]

Really the way I see it only three things could have happened. Toog targeted either me or Voiceless, or he was a NK.

I don't really see scum killing her, but it still could have been a Vig or a SK.

Has everyone posted yet? If it was a vig kill they should speak up, otherwise Voiceless is probably the way to go.

Not an NK.
It says SpyreX was killed, but just that Toog died.

So they visited either Scum or a PGO.

[Radical Rat]

Who did you redirect camn to?

[Radical Rat]

Also, how do you think Toog died, if you're Town?

[Radical Rat]

I thought Advent Children was really pretty, but that's about all it had going for it.

Also, your claim would be believable, but redirecting Toog to Camn, who you "scumread" would mean you knew what Toog's role was.

[Radical Rat]

Wait, Camn was an Innocent Child???

Did I miss the mod confirm town from that somehow?

[Radical Rat]

Wait, Camn was an Innocent Child???

Did I miss the mod confirm town from that somehow?

Not all ICs are mod confirmed automatically. Some are triggered by the player.

Huh. Well alright then.

VOTE: BananaNSFW

I don't think we should bring him quite to L-1 yet though. Scum could quickhammer if he's Town, and kill pops before he gets a chance to do anything else with this ability of his.

[Radical Rat]

Banana

You need to claim before Pops tells us the exact result. We know that the result is there. We have to assume there's a reason he didn't just say you were guilty.


And now Ira...
There were people arguing that Toogeloo should not have visited a townread. If I were scrum with VR, why would I not join that camp and use it as an excuse for why Voiceless was NOT the target?
And I fail to see how opposing a quickhammer means I know Banana's, or anyone else's alignment.

Finally, if 111 is confscumming me, why haven't you been scumreading me the entire game instead of just now?

[Radical Rat]

Banana

You need to claim before Pops tells us the exact result. We know that the result is there. We have to assume there's a reason he didn't just say you were guilty.


And now Ira...
There were people arguing that Toogeloo should not have visited a townread. If I were scrum with VR, why would I not join that camp and use it as an excuse for why Voiceless was NOT the target?
And I fail to see how opposing a quickhammer means I know Banana's, or anyone else's alignment.

Finally, if 111 is confscumming me, why haven't you been scumreading me the entire game instead of just now?

Usually I just ignore your posts because whenever I see your avatar, I speed up and scroll past them...

That's a bit rude. This is like your second game with me, what have I done to deserve that?

[Radical Rat]

What is scumkop? Are you saying he is a scum-aligned cop?

pisskop but scum

[Radical Rat]

All I said was that if Banana is Town, scrum would have an opportunity to quickhammer.

That does not mean I expect a Town flip. If I did, I wouldn't be voting for him. Hell, I'd probably vote pops.

[Radical Rat]

No, because the moderator made an error of using Blank as SpyreX's flavor.

That clears nothing. Flavor is NAI unless you get caught lying about it. We know you're Blank, but that doesn't tell us that you're Town.

[Radical Rat]

Also, please explain your issue with 111.

Why should Town be preparing for an endgame that should never happen? Later if we're having issues, sure, but lining up a LyLo roster on D1 is pretty fishy stuff. I stand by that, even if I was wrong about SpyreX.

[Radical Rat]

Sighs. Alright then. Keep your tunnel for now, I'll prove it wrong when we win.

[Radical Rat]

Also, please explain your issue with 111.

Why should Town be preparing for an endgame that should never happen? Later if we're having issues, sure, but lining up a LyLo roster on D1 is pretty fishy stuff. I stand by that, even if I was wrong about SpyreX.

It is extremely fake and reachy.

That's the worst and most scum-aligned justification for a vote I have ever seen during my year of playing mafia.

My mindset as scum is exactly what SpyreX said though. When I play as scum, I'm thinking of who I want in LyLo that I can get to mislynch. That's why that pinged me as scum.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, so let me get this straight.

You would rather die than claim? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of not claiming in the first place?

[Radical Rat]

Okay, so your role is either one shot, or vanilla. Otherwise you should care about being alive to use it.

Is this consistent with your result, pops

[Radical Rat]

I think casting an investigation immunity on yourself at the expense Se of outing a "teammate"'s role is consistent with vanilla goon or one shot role block scum, yes.

UNVOTE:
Explain this please. If your investigation was blocked, what implicates Banana?

I thought you were either a role or flavor cop trying to see if he'd fakeclaim.

[Radical Rat]

I meant refusing to claim in thread to aid my investigative role on him is obviously anti town. It was a metaphor for his dayplay.

I asked if a Vanilla or One Shot would match your NIGHT result, and you answered with a "metaphor" for DAY play, worded like you got roleblocked?

I don't buy that, sorry. I think you've been caught in a lie.
VOTE: popsofctown

[Radical Rat]

He doesn't really believe that, and it's inconsistent with his previous stance on BananaNSFW.

Yes, it is inconsistent. That's because my stance changed.

My suspicion of Banana was based on pops having a result that I know longer believe exists.
Right from the moment pops claimed that, one of them had to be Scum, and I'm inclined to lynch the liar over someone just being stubborn.

[Radical Rat]

I am so sorry for disappearing... Again.

Anyway, call this role fishing all you like, but you're the one who claimed results so...
What exactly is a "soft" inno or guilty?

[Radical Rat]

... This is sketchy.

1. Pops and House must have a PT with daytalk. Whether this is ascum, mason, or

[Radical Rat]

!@#$

I hit submit by accident. One moment please.

[Radical Rat]

... This is sketchy.

1. Pops and House must have a PT with daytalk. Whether this is a scum, mason, or neighborhood PT, I can't say though.

2. Why would House unvote and pursue other wagons when he has a guilty?

[Radical Rat]

Hmm.

Alright. This better flip scum...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW

[Radical Rat]

Hmm.

Alright. This better flip scum...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BananaNSFW

What kind of response is that? You've totally been in games with me before.

I've been in one, I think. But yes that's why I went ahead and hammered. I wouldn't have been so easily swayed if I hadn't seen you play before.

[Radical Rat]

Ah. Sorry, when I got prodded, I decided to post first read later.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: House

You should have died last night if you were Town. You claimed a true guilty and that pops was acting as a decoy. Scum had to have known that pops was the real cop, and the only way they could have is if you're on the scumteam.

As a side note @pops.... After the game I'd like to know how Vanilla is a "soft guilty"

[Radical Rat]

Was the neighborhood part true?
And if so, is there anyone else in there?

[Radical Rat]

I believe that Town could make that gambit.
What concerns me though, is that if I were scum I'd kill the person confidently claiming a hard guilty on a wagon he'd been pushing for over a week over the guy who couldn't answer questions about his result.
I can't see how they would have chosen you as the fake unless they knew beforehand. And, without that neighborhood, there was no way for them to have that knowledge, unless you're one of them.

[Radical Rat]

...

You're right.

I'm gonna blame confbias there, because I just overlooked that as "of course scum would lynch town, nothing weird there."

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pisskop

I'll admit I'm not familiar with your meta, but being happy about a mislynch is... Not a good sign, to say the least.

[Radical Rat]

Hm.
I wish there were a bit of a stronger crumb to go off of, because VoicelessReason's posts seem town to me.

But I find it hard to believe a weak role wouldn't let us know they're target in some way, and you're the only one who fits the bill.

VOTE: VoicelessReason

What a scum post, amirite?!

Yes, it's very scum-aligned actually.

Because he overjustifies his vote and tries to make it sound like he didn't know VoicelessReason is scum-aligned.

You clearly don't believe what you are saying and overconfident defending with no basis... Even if you don't think it's a scum-aligned post, no way it could be a strongly town-aligned post like you're trying to suggest.

There's just one problem there, Ira my old friend. What advantage do I gain by pretending I think someone I know will flip scum would flip Town... And voting them anyway? I made it clear that I was skeptical, but recognized the necessity for a lynch. If I were scum, that would be posturing for a Town flip, not a Scum flip.

Well, he will want to do that after Radical Rat flips scum-aligned...

VOTE: House

You should have died last night if you were Town. You claimed a true guilty and that pops was acting as a decoy. Scum had to have known that pops was the real cop, and the only way they could have is if you're on the scumteam.

As a side note @pops.... After the game I'd like to know how Vanilla is a "soft guilty"

This is extremely scum-aligned and disconnected with reality, because House said already that he was pretending to try to act as a decoy in the thread.

It's really poor confirmation bias reasoning because Radical Rat knows House's alignment.

By the way, popsofctown thought BananaNSFW is scum-aligned because he softed PR, but he was just vanilla and too ashamed to admit because nobody would believe him...

Yes. It was confirmation bias. I recognized, acknowledged, and corrected it though. Which is more than you can say for your "every word out of Rat's mouth is scummy by default" thing.

[Radical Rat]

Pisskop, your "reaction testing" provided a justification to oppose a caught soul's wagon.

While I think House is overstating my involvement in that lynch, the fact that you created that out and defended VR with it is anti-town at best.
I'd suggest looking at everyone else in the "that wasn't a crumb" camp as well. Which I intend on doing... Now.

[Radical Rat]

Soul's....

That's meant to be Scum's, sorry.
#MobileMafia

[Radical Rat]

Well apparently the only other person claiming VR wasn't the crumb was Pops.

I could have sworn there were like four people like that, but I digress.

[Radical Rat]

I didn't notice in Greatest Idea, probably because I knew I was fighting a losing battle in that game, but House, you're a great addition to the game and I look forward to seeing you in future playerlists. Thanks for replacing in, you're a real rad guy.

[Radical Rat]

New MafiaScum Meta: Lynch All Kindness

[Radical Rat]

Well fuck.

Yeah, I was way off that game, but ah well. I still have a lot of learning to do.