Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

[Gear]

We have to bury Parama.

Vote: Parama

[Gear]

VOTE: Aristophanes

I got a feeling. no big waves, staying low, and trying to make friends.

I could lynch him too.

We have to bury Parama.

Vote: Parama

why?

I am not sure I disagree, but would love to know why you think so.

I don't believe that he couldn't tell that Eagersnake's reasoning in 7 was a joke - Kuribo hadn't even posted yet. In the context of that wagon, I have a really hard time anyone not seeing it as a joke.

[Gear]

kraska, why do you think that you're wrong about Parama?

[Gear]

Grey seems way more zen than I remember. This is a welcome development.

Your vote on parama is an unwelcome development.

Hey Kuri boy I found the trai trai~

Trai is traitor?

[Gear]

also

UNVOTE:

How do you go from thinking it is theatre to unvoting?

[Gear]

SC shouldn't need to look at the links, see Grandest Idea, he was mod, I was town. I tunneled scum d1 in that game too based on him saying the word "jester."

That doesn't relate at all to how you're playing here?

@Untrod Tripod:

I'm willing to proxy my vote to you for D1, just tell me where to place it.

I also hate this bullshit too...own your own vote.

CKD I actually remember reading games of yours in like 2008, nice to see you're still playing here. A lot of the people from back then have gone away.

wait you have been around since 2008 and these are the questions you are asking? who is your alt?


ugh.



this game so far is just ugh.

everything looks scummy.

These are both giving me bad vibes. The first looks like a shitty distancing attempt and the second looks like scum throwing out a line hoping to get vote advice.
CKD prob scum

This is nonsense, and quite possibly bussing.

[Gear]

Didn't her post literally way she was going to put whoever on ignore but then found them already there?
Implying she found out that ignoring has no effect on the posts she sees in games

Pedit: who was it Who said ure Zen?

I said I was putting grey on ignore till she did something other the her lynch scum over and over.

Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.

Interesting. Did you know the ignore functionality on this forum has no operation in mafia games?

None. You see posts regardless of ignore list status in any mafia forums. It's setup specifically to disallow you from ignoring posts in mafia games.

So... you're a liar. Now why are you lying?

Actually I asked questions that just get ignored, hence my comment.

This is total fucking BS and makes literally zero sense in context of your post.

You have an ignore button because you are tired of your questions that are getting ignored?

That's the lamest explanation in the history of lame duck bullshit explanations.

The context your reading that is wrong.
Im saying there seems to be an ignore button with my name on it.
Ie: I feel players are just ignoring my points. My post in general, Yada, Yada, yada.

Are these two different explanations of the same thing or did I miss something?

[Gear]

UNVOTE:
If Farside doesn't have an explanation for that, she's where my vote will be.

[Gear]

That's pretty anti town to do.
Are you trying to just get a reaction? I have you kind of on ignore till you feel like doing more the running around with a pitchfork and Fire.

Well there's this.

Since there's no ignore button, I don't really get the Farside is lying case.

[Gear]

Gear ignored me :'(

Since there's no ignore button, I don't really get the Farside is lying case.

???

[Gear]

I mean I just don't buy that this [
quote="In post 209, farside22"]Looks at ignore button
Sees name on it.
Sighs
It's one of those games.[/quote]
was a lie made with any purpose of deceiving anyone, and that GreyICE is blowing it out of proportion.

[Gear]

Lol I was talking about this

Hey Gear
Thoughts on farside and greyice?

If you want specific thoughts on the two of them, I don't have a good read on Farside, but I get her Parama suspicion, and I don't like what GreyICE has been doing re: kuribo and farside.

[Gear]

I would like to hear more from Gear as well hes kinda not on my radar, granted with the kuribo-grey fight, the far and par fight, it has been a bit difficult to find the meat inside all the arguing and so on.

Anything that you'd like my opinion on you've got. I've shared my take the things I feel strongly about.

[Gear]

Grey does that but he does it as town Grey.

Would scum Grey do it?

[Gear]

Okay and what do you think of cakez?

I didn't like his attack on CKD because his conclusions from looking at CKDs posts were pretty bizarre.
He's been talking about eagersnake's reaction to kuribo at the start of the game for a while, so that fact that he doesn't think that it congruent with eagersnake's town-meta isn't all that surprising.

[Gear]

how the hell do you get bussing out of that???

It's such a bullshit case that if he was scum, he'd hesitate to make it against town.

[Gear]

Vote: GreyICE

1. Trying to paint an awkward comment by Farside as lie.
2. 117,118 from GreyICE don't make sense. He will only explain a scum read on someone to someone who is already on the wagon?
3. Talking about a Traitor.

[Gear]

I've decided that I don't care about Farside, Parama any more. They both look like they are difficult, I can see this as coming from people of either alignment. With the whole unanswered questions business, do you both seriously think that the other couldn't fake answers that would appear acceptable?

[Gear]

Gear your GreyIce vote sucks

That's cute

[Gear]

[Gear]

GreyICE is extremely town.

Share your reasons with me, and I'll love you forever.

[Gear]

I just scanned the first day of the game SirCakez modded with eager. I am not surprised by SirCakez scum read of eager based on this.

[Gear]

His attack on CKD is still bad.

[Gear]

I really dislike him setting up Eager-Farside as a 1v1 on the last page.

[Gear]

Cakez, What is this 1v1 you are talking about on the last page?

It looks like you are inventing something to waffle about your reads on Snake and Farside.

[Gear]

Parama is voting me over Farside, that's weird. I thought he was town cause I liked the reasoning that he wouldn't have wanted to kill GreyICE N1, but this requires some explanation.

[Gear]

I see here it is:

rach's day 1 has a lot of hard-townreading greyice and being a sort of mediator. 347, 387 for example. she has literally no scumreads by day's end though.
784 is a pretty solid post. i do actually get the impression she's scumhunting from that post.
797 is not scum. no. scum!rach would have literally no reason to make this post.
810 is also screamingly town. this is the kind of post scum would be too terrified to make. literally chainsawing the person who hammered scum.
i guess what i get from this post was; rach did not know aristo would flip scum. that's what that post is screaming to me, and 797 backs that up.

yeah, i definitely wouldn't lynch this today. i probably wouldn't lynch this until a 3-way lylo consisting of myself, eager, and rach tbh. kill everyone but those two and game would be over 100%, my thoughts

[Gear]

Sorry this one:

skimming gear's iso.
362 is really bad, like he's trying to set up a future lynch.
363 thru 389 are all about grey's dumb thing regarding farside "lying". it looks like he's dodging around the whole issue. unvote in 364 but no revote, only declaring intent to vote. then immediately next post says he doesn't agree with grey's argument. he does come to the right conclusion in 389 though.
557 is just super weak, especially for the first proper read he's given all game. #3 literally looks like it's there for rule of threes purposes only. #2 is pretty wimpy too. only #1 has any real merit and it's more a misunderstanding than intentionally trying to twist something to look scummy.

mostly from this iso, i get... a player who's not really invested in the game much. he made two votes d1, and one of them was rvs.
a comprehensive list of things he's said about players:
"i could lynch aristo"
"cakez is scum and ckd his his buddy"
"i don't have a read on farside"
"greyice is scum"

all of his posts are very brief and a fair few of them feel like outright filler that doesn't amount to anything.
i'd love to see if this is just how he posts though, but it's at best a playstyle i really dislike and at worst really lazy scum

[Gear]

Well, I'll have you know that I am now town reading CKD because regardless what I might have thought then, together with his interactions with Aristo, I'd strongly bet that he is town.
What what I was dodging exactly?
Why in god's name would town talk about a traitor?
You should probably be town reading me from the things you quoted, but hey ho.

[Gear]

I was eating breakfast when I was struck by the epiphany
And i was like ah shit bois cakes is scum
And i have to hammer the scum all the scum So i did

This is why Kraska died, I think. Scum probably realized her hammer was a "counter-claim" to Cakez.

[Gear]

I think we may have a OSV

What is OSV?

[Gear]

Anyway, either Parama or Farside is the last scum. Everyone else looks townish enough. I lean Farside because of dead GreyICE and Aristo's 103.

[Gear]

I also don't think scum parama would have defended aristo so much on page 7

[Gear]

Vote: Farside

[Gear]

I was eating breakfast when I was struck by the epiphany
And i was like ah shit bois cakes is scum
And i have to hammer the scum all the scum So i did

This is why Kraska died, I think. Scum probably realized her hammer was a "counter-claim" to Cakez.

interesting. so you think Kraska was a scum kill and Snake they ignored?

whats the original claim that this is a counter too?

do you think we have a vig?

Well they have a role blocker, so I don't think they ignored Snake
Sir Cakes watcher claim.
Yes, at least one shot.

[Gear]

traitor: why would scum do it?

To indicate that they are a traitor or are looking for one. Shouldn't that be obvious.

[Gear]

Far is at L-1?

Jeeze let a girl catch up a bit why dontcha

ok well I think gear is scumz so yeah

that is where my vote is going

I am not yet sold on far or para not being a TvT froofroo

Feel pretty good about Kuribo, snake (obviously), and UT being town,

VOTE: Gear

You're wrong.
Who else is do you think is scummy?

[Gear]

Eager, what happened to your suspicion of parama?

[Gear]

Parama was the person you wanted vigged yesterday.

[Gear]

Eager, what happened to your suspicion of parama?

Rather you die first... why are you asking me about my "suspicion of Parama" and not of farside22 when that's who you're voting? Sounds like you really just don't want to die

Why do you think aris and I would have nk'ed grey?

[Gear]

Anyway yadayadayada I want to lynch the useless guy

VOTE: Gear

It doesn't even look like you think that I am scum.

[Gear]

I'm hoping that he will revaluate the situation.
I strongly doubt that he is scum.

[Gear]

he states that you are useless.

what protown things have you done this game?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Gear]

so you are being coy? dont just post your fucking ISO, last chance to answer the question (unless of course you know you cant).

If you think I'm scum, you have to think I was scum reading both of my buddies day one. If you want to talk about anything on particular, we can.

[Gear]

Eager, what happened to your suspicion of parama?

btw this looks like desperate deflection.
"hey eager. hey. hey eager. what about parama. hey eager look at parama. hey"

I'm still town!

[Gear]

unvote

for now

What are you seeing?

[Gear]

Unvote

I probably won't be able to read over the weekend, and don't want to be involved in a lynch wagon that I can't react properly to.

[Gear]

Asked and answered.

Well, now that you see that there could be a rb and kill in the same night, what do you think?

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.
"I think Sir Cakez is scum, maybe bussing CKD" - no vote.
vote GreyIce
SirCake "your vote sucks"
"I think Sir Cakez is scum x4" - no vote.

Sircakes hung = scum dead

Day 2

nothing...but it was fast.

so yeah...what exactly did you do? for all of your talk about sir cakez and Aris...there wasnt a lot of voting on either. so you want credit for what now?

I'm not asking for credit. I wouldn't be talking about any of this if it wasn't for your what pro-town things have you done question.

Eager, what happened to your suspicion of parama?

btw this looks like desperate deflection.
"hey eager. hey. hey eager. what about parama. hey eager look at parama. hey"

I'm still town!

posts like this continue to make me doubt this assertion. you dodge the entire argument by just going "lol but I'm town". something town has no reason to do.

There's not argument - it's not deflection, but I can't stop someone from thinking it.

Why is gear not voting Far that is what I would like to know?

My post was completely clear.

Why does he only go on vanity wagons or not vote?

Farside wasn't a vanity wagon, but you think voting a vanity wagon is scummy - nope.

Meanwhile he skates while all the attention is on Far and Para?

I don't really feel like I've been skating. I can't believe that you think this.

This entire post is bullshit.

UMM what? He has nothing strong up to this point when he reaches out to me because I have a scum lean read on him at this point. Psst he STILL is hiding under the radar.

I was trying to interact with you, not scummy.
I really don't see how you can believe that I've been hiding under the radar with a large proportion of the players calling me scum.

Voting Grey is the best he could do?

Not scummy.

Looks like interaction between scum Cakez and him.

Still not scummy.

Worried about a vote on him.

Did you not read day 1? I don't see how you could have missed Parama and Farside.

Now he is using Grey's flip against Far

Not scummy. I wasn't even the only one to think that.

Unvotes Far his main scum read who is also the other wagon.

I didn't want my vote to be on someone, when there is time, and when I will be inactive. Still not scummy.

[Gear]

Rach basically went through my ISO to list things, and then act as if they are scummy. I don't believe that she is trying to discern my alignment at all.

[Gear]

uhh I don't think he is scum Grey really this is NOT the game I saw in Presidents Mafia at all Also I think if he were scum, he would have better reads than that. And be far more ballsy about it. He got caught by the gunsmith in our last game together and came right back with he was the town vig and people believed him, even me. He does like being scum that I know about him from that game and others.

both of you are going in my town pile

Moving on

Rachael coming to Kuribo's defence seems pretty strange based on the way the two of them post.

Can I get the opinion of someone familiar with them?

[Gear]

Yeah sorry forgot there was time in this game uggh

This is probably bullshit

[Gear]

Ugh. It probably means that she's town since scum would probably do better with remembering their fake town reads than to threaten to hammer one of them.

[Gear]

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.
"I think Sir Cakez is scum, maybe bussing CKD" - no vote.
vote GreyIce
SirCake "your vote sucks"
"I think Sir Cakez is scum x4" - no vote.

Sircakes hung = scum dead

Day 2

nothing...but it was fast.

so yeah...what exactly did you do? for all of your talk about sir cakez and Aris...there wasnt a lot of voting on either. so you want credit for what now?

I'm not asking for credit. I wouldn't be talking about any of this if it wasn't for your what pro-town things have you done question.

when I asked you what you have done protown in this game, and all you fucking post is your ISO....what was your ISO suppose to give you credit for?
the answer to my question was your ISO. WHICH I dont see anything protown in, so again, I will ask you...what have you done in this game that is protown?

If you want to talk about anything in particular, I'm game, but I'm not going to continue to participate in this bullshit.

[Gear]

Ugh. It probably means that she's town since scum would probably do better with remembering their fake town reads than to threaten to hammer one of them.

No.
She still has not even explained why she was going to hammer someone she wasn't even scum reading.

She said that she thought it was close to the deadline.

[Gear]

Rach, why are you reading UT as town?

[Gear]

Never mind

Don't answer the question.

I know the answer. Nothing. You have done nothing in this fucking game that is town.

You are either a shitty/new player or the SK (if we have one). Hope you are learning this game.

Why are you subjecting me to this and not Parama and Rachael?

[Gear]

Maybe because I provided reasons and a case why I think you are scum, Gear?

Well you provided a list of things that I did, which is sweet but meaningless.

[Gear]

GreyICE didn't really think I was scum anyway, so this is all a bit foolish

[Gear]

Never mind

Don't answer the question.

I know the answer. Nothing. You have done nothing in this fucking game that is town.

You are either a shitty/new player or the SK (if we have one). Hope you are learning this game.

Why are you subjecting me to this and not Parama and Rachael?

this post = deflection without acknowledging the question/issue.

no answer I give you for this ridiculous question will satisfy.

because..because I want to. because I think you COULD be scum...because I want to see your reaction...because god called me last week and said I should do it.

who the fuck cares?

How ironic, since this post = deflection without answering the question. There are numerous answers that you could give, and I expect you to answer the question. You seem to think that at least Rach could be scum. Your town read on parama does not seem to be explained in a quick read through of your ISO, but it's good to know that you don't think that the absence of pro-town actions is alignment indicative (pointing out parama's pro-town actions would be a completely satisfactory answer to the question, for example, and that should be obvious).

I can't imagine that there is anyone in this game who would take seriously someone listing the things they have done that they think are pro-town. I imagine that most people would at best be irritated by it. The fact that your response to me included the comment about me wanting credit for things makes me question your motivation in asking these questions, and this is made even worse by your accusation in your last post that I am deflecting. I am concerned that you are proceeding down this line of questioning, to force me to do things that others will find questionable.

[Gear]

Because I left out a detail that doesn't actually relate to Gears alignment?

GreyICE changing his mind doesn't make Gear any less likely to be scum, the fact GreyICE was sure Gear was scum in the first place does make Gear more likely scum

Same goes for farside, but farside has the benefit of being on 2 consecutive scum lynches

GreyICE is in the dead thread howling that I am town and that you are dumb at that moment.

[Gear]

CKD, I answered your question about what pro-town things I have done, I don't care that you didn't like the answer. I still think that you are town, but if you were scum, this is exactly the line of questioning that I would guess that you would embark on in order to eventually get me lynched, and the fact that you are characterizing my responses as non-answers or as deflection is what I would expect you to do if that was your goal. I have an incredibly hard time believing that you think that this will produce any sort of alignment indicative responses.

the guy you caught sircakez day one when no one else was giving him the time of day.

Oh please. To quote you:

so you are being coy? dont just post your fucking ISO, last chance to answer the question (unless of course you know you cant).

If you think I'm scum, you have to think I was scum reading both of my buddies day one. If you want to talk about anything on particular, we can.

this is what I see in your ISO.

"I think Aris is scum" - no vote.
"I think CKD is scum" - no vote.

scum has no choice but to go along with a guilty, unless they're going to counter-claim it. and that doesn't work.

As you said yourself Kuribo:

Mfw people don't recognize an obvious day2 guilty

Look at how gear has stated a scum read on far, voted then unvoted even though she was not at that time at risk of being hammered.

I was going to be away for the weekend, there was a real chance that a lynch could have occured and that's not scummy anyway.

[Gear]

Vote: RachMarie

Her town read on Farside has mysteriously and conveniently vanished today. I thought that her threat to hammer might just have been a mistake because she thought that the day was ending, but her recent posts indicate that her read has actually changed. Her read on me is convenient given that my lynch is being pushed by EagerSnake.

[Gear]

NOW I can explain my town Para read game just ended

The 42 role madness game with Wake and smith

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67827

I don't believe this read at all. Details if you have them.

[Gear]

It's scummy because it's convenient.
It's convenient because Farside has been close to being lynched.
I don't think tomorrow would have been easy for Rach if she'd hammered a town read today.

[Gear]

Talk about your read on Farside then.

[Gear]

Since I'm town, who else do you think is scum?

[Gear]

All you have done there is give reasons for why Farside is town.

[Gear]

really have the feeling that when we get to the dead PT at the end of the game, we're going to find grey screaming about how we're idiots for not destroying either farside or Gear

[Gear]

Scum read/ willingness to lynch a town read. Either way there's a problem.

[Gear]

I'll answer that, but first I'd like to know why you think it's relevant.

[Gear]

Just cause Rach says ask she says is that she was willing to lynch Farside at the deadline, doesn't mean that is actually what is happening. See above and the fact that she knows we aren't at the deadline now.

[Gear]

I have a hard time not seeing that as her being willing to lynch Farside.

[Gear]

CKD, there is no way that you are acting in good faith. Probably you are town, but you've also lost all rational perspective on the game. It's a shame.

[Gear]

That or you're just not reading.

What do you think the why not both post is meant to say?

[Gear]

The meme indicates that grey is exploding in the dead thread about FARSIDE AND YOU.

So answer the fucking question where does rach say she is willing to lynch her her town read?

Well, it seems that I misunderstood the picture of the little girl, and thought that it was Rach expressing an opinion not rach expressing an opinion that GreyICE had.

so given your "case" against Rach, am I scum?

No, I think that when it comes to me you have become quite irrational.

YEAH BLOODLUST THATS THE SHIT I LIVE FOR

VOTE: Gear

AND PRAY TO THE GODS OF MURDER THAT WE MAY FEAST

Your lust for helping folks lynch their town reads seems pretty fake.

gear claim

I'm VT.

Way to misrep me gear.

How should I have been able to distinguish you posting your ideas, from you posting things you think Grey is thinking?

Meanwhile Gear is like pushing the broken record of why are you even thinking of voting for Far (someone he has pushed a light scum read on himself), and saying I am scum for it.

Where are you seeing me push something like a broken record? I'm not saying its not right, but I'd like to see what you are referirng to.

[Gear]

That being said, I think it is more likely to be Gear.

Especially with this follow up from Rach, it looked like she was expressing her own opinion with that meme.

[Gear]

NOW I can explain my town Para read game just ended

The 42 role madness game with Wake and smith

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67827

I don't believe this read at all. Details if you have them.

I still want this from Rach.

[Gear]

it would be a heck of a lot easier if you wouldn't keep speaking for Rach.

[Gear]

And what are those times?

[Gear]

It is simple, gear, para here is playing like para did in the previous game, hes pushing his scum reads, he is evaluating things when he stepped away from the froo froo with Far that is. He is not always right, but he is clear and transparent about his reads. That is the same Para I saw in that game, until he got killed that is. After he protected our watcher.

And how is it different from scum parama?

[Gear]

and this

Where are you seeing me push something like a broken record? I'm not saying its not right, but I'd like to see what you are referirng to.

[Gear]

Eh. Rach pretty much checks out.

Unvote

[Gear]

Rach's post where she listed quote from me is one of the strangest things that I have ever read. I have no clue how to interpret it.

[Gear]

SirCakez- Calling Eager scum for meta reasons, ew, but voting CKD, almost feels like he wants to push the Eager wagon without REAAALLLY pushing it. I don't know. There are hits and pieces of decent townplay here but something is rubbing me the wrong way. Null-to-scum.

What were the decent pieces of town-play that you saw?

[Gear]

But to answe stupid questions while I'm driving g cakes seemed invested in the game

That's not an acceptable answer

[Gear]

Whelp, sorry