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Chara is town or good scum I think

Maybe it's just me but these type of statements are both funny and scummy to me

Not enough to seriously hinder my read on you but look at it. "He's town or scum, just that if he's scum he's pretty good"

Similar to the thing you said about me earlier in game. If you're making a read known please do not do this hedgey thing where it looks to me like you're noticing no heat going chara's way and saying its town but then adding a clause to let yourself scumread it later if you'd like

Your reads can change. Give what they are now. If you're undecided say so explicitly or say nothing. end mini rant

I'm undecided

I think that comment was more helpful than just saying I'm undecided though

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PM fire is wrt what happens to the phone abilities when you block someone

I'm not sure I understand the question. We block someone's phone abilities (which includes items), they fail if they used any that phase. Just like role abilities.
-Nahdia

The question is how does phone block work. If you block the phone actions is it for night only? For night and following day? If it's not multiphase do you alternativey have the option to use it as a day action to block day phone stuff.

The answer is it doesn't matter what your answer is. There's a claimed guilty on you and you're being lynched. I'm sincerely sorry if you got boned by shenanigans but c'est la vie. You're allowed to be angry about it regardless of your alignment really but I'm not letting this lynch go any other way. We are just talking in the meantime. If you're town, talk a lot and push where you see fit. If you're Mafia you probably want to shut the fuck up period but I hope you talk a lot in holding out hope you wiggle out of this noose

I want to hear what mathblade has to say but yeah

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I don't think SlySly/StarGazers make sense because even if SlySly were lynched and flipped scum, StarGazers would still most likely be lynched because of the guilty.

Slysly wouldn't be lynched

The third partner would push star

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Can we just lynch star? We're just fuckin off at this point. We've got 85 pages of shit and I don't think we're going to get anywhere until we know stargazers alignment. And even then if that somehow flips town, we're still pretty much nowhere.

Pedit, what's that second line mean? That's confusing

I want to wait for mathblade to resolve their reservations about the wagon with whoever

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Yep we can lynch Stargazers.

Cool.

VOTE: stargazers

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Tomorrow I will do some srs gamesolving

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Oh yeah I agree with drawing out the deadline for the replacement

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Can varsoon be scum while grapes is town?

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Can varsoon be scum while grapes is town?

What's that supposed to mean

It means I scumread all of varsoon's posts but townread all of grapes' posts

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Can varsoon be scum while grapes is town?

What's that supposed to mean

It means I scumread all of varsoon's posts but townread all of grapes' posts

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My comment to creature was something making sure we can lynch stargazers without repercussions (specifically, I didn't want scum!creature to push a mislynch and get off the hook). Varsoon, I think the reason expedience is saying you're out of touch with the game is because that's the only thing either head of your hydra has had to say all day. I'm willing to accept that I may find your playstyle scummy, because this doesn't seem like grapes' scum game to me, but please do something. Thanks.

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Who are gazers' buddies

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I dunno. That gamma flip killed my motivation here.

Probably the one's not keeping an open mind here.

Should I read today's posts?

Yes

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How convenient you lynch my top townread while I'm afk and Creature comes into the day claiming guilty on our slot lol I don't care what Nat says I'm willing to bet Creature is a role cop on us and saw that we're pr

We're a roleblocker and we can rb either phone actions or actual pr actions we can do both but we won't be able to rb the next night we roleblocked slysly last night

so he saw you were a roleblocker and decided that he would claim a guilty on you to get you lynched. knowing it's a 1 for 1 and that he'd be lynched the next day...as a rolecop

there is no world that ever happens and no world where I'd believe you actually believe that

gg your game is over

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

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Hydras amirite

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Varsoon I told you infinity was probably town.

UNVOTE: [/u]

UNVOTE:

So not everyone was misguided on gamma I'm fairly sure.

AND I WAS REALLY CONVINCING. I almost changed infinities mind and he's a brick wall.

This tells me things.

Hmm?

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But expedience shadowed me pretty hard on infinity and then SHEEPING ME ON MY THOUGHTS ON CREATURE EVEN THOUGH I MISQUOTED CREATURE LOOKS PRETTY BAD

I'm still in day 1 btw. I hate reading but I'm going through this slowly.

Quote the second thing?

Expedience seems to be progressing through the game naturally, scumhunting without overplaying his scumhunting. Plus I agree with a lot of what he's said since eod1

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...ok, Sly. so we just disagree. claiming no action is still giving information about your role, and i don't want to argue semantics with you. that's like claiming VT and defending yourself with 'oh, but i didn't claim a PR'. it helps scum narrow things down.
explain your self-vote. i can't see a reason for it beyond stirring the pot.
Dunn: oh, right. i'd forgotten the name of that action.

This seems like just lecturing to me and a bit LAMIST, but maybe that's just a playstyle thing

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Creature should hack stargazers I think

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Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

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I don't disagree with that list

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I'm liking chara less as I go through again

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no reason to fakeclaim that one is able to roleblock phone actions. that'd be stupid.
Stargazers, you have what amounts to a guilty on SlySly. yet you're voting Creature because he got a guilty result on you? even though it's been brought up that redirection or framing could be possible? i don't buy it.
did i misunderstand something?
add the points earlier, that it would be ridiculous for Creature as scum to frame you in this manner when he would likely be lynched the next day.

this is pretty much the crux of it. makes no sense to vote creature there when the response is "you must have been redirected/framed" and simultaneously know there was a no-kill night when you blocked slysly

would love to see the attempt at explaining that though

Wow

It's almost too obvious for both scum to be doing this but I'd be surprised if both of these were town

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invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

I can't believe I missed this shit the first time around

"Look at how much I'm bussing here"

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I think it's reasonable to make the same misinterpretation you did even if they fully understood what you were saying. But I see what you mean

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Math and lane are town imo for defending doomed scum

I was being lazy and said a lot of terrible things this phase lol

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Math and lane are town imo for defending doomed scum

I was being lazy and said a lot of terrible things this phase lol

This

The way Dunnstral asks about Stargazers' items makes me think he's town.

Yeah true.

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Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

Well this is dumb because stargazers will just say the wrong slot and make creature waste his hack

But we should do it for future lynches imo

@dunn does stargazers have more than one item?

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2062. i like the pressing here and asking for clarification, it's something i find myself doing a lot.
i need to find time to read though, because at this point i'm missing a good portion of the game.
2079: i don't know whether to be flattered or annoyed, because i haven't put very much of myself into this game yet. :>
but seriously, what does this mean? it's not really a read so much as a statement of 'Chara isn't doing anything stupid'.

Weak defense of panther + "why are you townreading me I haven't put that much effort in" which makes more sense as scum than as town. Effort as scum means you're trying to be townread, but effort as town doesn't necessarily get you townreads (e.g. me on d1)

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@Panther What's your read on chara?

T-->S

Creature, Lane, Math, Sly, House, Expedience, Dunn, GV, Panther, Chara

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Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

No. Horrible idea. A universal townread should hack it.
Creature could be lying scum in a fringe case.

I think creature is the most likely to be town

Maybe lane could but

It doesn't matter since gazers will probably lie about it

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We'll talk about that for future lynches

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Well this is dumb because stargazers will just say the wrong slot and make creature waste his hack

How much do you think a hack is worth?

A decent amount given that you can hack players about to be lynched

But on second thought we won't have a hack for every lynch. So we can try that

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Oh.
Embarrassing part of being in a hydra is when your partner reads a message and you don't realize you ever got it.
I had a list and I was crossing out names of people who responded and everything.
Slysly responded as prompted, I'm just a dumbass.


@NC: That's not what I'm saying at all in regards to the situation--I'm not saying the accuser and the accused are town.
I'm saying it's incredibly awkward for a player to see a guilty and then respond, "ARE YOU WILLING TO EAT A LYNCH FOR THAT GUILTY?"
Because, first of all, who the fuck would fake a guilty D2 like that?
Second of all, it establishes pressure/expectation that the accuser will be lynched should the accused flip town.
There's only two straightforward reasons to do that;
1. As scum, you know that you can set up for a situation where town lynches two townies in a row.
2. As town, you're doubtcasting the guilty claim.

Both are anti-town.
That's why I find it scummy, especially coming from Infinity, who doesn't seem to be playing in a way that behooves that sensibility as town.

As far as my reads go, I'm less confident about them in general and I need to touch base with Grapes, which I haven't done since daystart.

Let's revisit this. I don't see how this is still such a big deal for you when it relies on stargazers being town. You said you're not saying that star is town--but your argument is that I'm lining up lynches, which relies on them being town.

The purpose of the question was to resolve a doubt that came to my mind about the wagon-- that creature scum could claim a soft guilty and when stargazers flipped town, he could say "oh it wasn't a hard guilty" and get away with it. at the time I had doubts about creature. I don't think that's unreasonable.

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Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

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Creature should hack stargazers I think

Wait stargazers should tell creature which slot it's in and creature should hack it, if that's wrong it's a scumclaim

I tried to talk this out with Dunn already but he didn't respond.

When a item is first received it cannot be used, you must wait 1 phase before using it. This is including if you stole an item.
For example hacking an item

day 1

that item cannot be used till night 1

Phone actions can be used during the day. Stargazers role makes no sense

I additionally submitted a profiling action to fire just now

I think I see where your head's at here and I like it

I sent him a message saying that if he hacked and blanked to tell me what slot he hacked and I'd try another. He didn't reply. Though his persistent questioning to Stargazers gave me the impression that they had an item.

Thinking about it it's pretty straightforward. If star is scum they should and probably have burnt their item if they can. If they're not they should have willingly contacted a top town read and shared the info so they could take it if it has potential future value. If that's already been done then it shouldn't be discussed by either party.

Ok makes sense. We should implement that strategy in the future ^^

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invisible vote on stargazers. you lynch people who have guilties on them period.

I've been binked on a frame and it's the worst but 99/100 times the person is just mafia. stargazers posts today point heavily to it- the loss of perspective being the nail in the coffin imho

but lettuce discuss more before we end the day. there are strategic considerations that need to be made.

dunn - I assume no reply from you means you have nothing to tell me

I can't believe I missed this shit the first time around

"Look at how much I'm bussing here"

At a time when grapevine is voting you and math is talking about not lynching star, it's pretty important that people be aware of the relevant details and get it through their heads that it's always correct to lynch the guilty. What did you perceive that makes you have a revelation that I'm scum bussing while others who have the same opinion as me are not

You just kept arguing for the lynch when it was clear to me at least that stargazers was getting lynched no matter what. We don't need the vote of every single player

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Honestly I was kinda expecting more from panther, I don't see anything from him that can't come from scum and this shit when stargazers was already doomed is not helping

Not sure what you're expecting out of me when there's a claimed guilty and a bunch of masturbatory speculation about ways it could be borked.

By all means ask me things if you are feeling wanting

I want to know your thoughts about d1 and a readslist if you're ok with that.

I am but as far as d1 goes I've read the first 10 pages and then have otherwise read things via ISO. I did it up against the d1 deadline but ultimately it was me or gamma.

So I still have a lot of reading to do but I think it's more valuable to stay current and read back as I have time so I've mostly been staying current.

Ok. Hopefully you'll be able to do some of that before deadline

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I read the surrounding posts when I reread d2, and I skimmed them again to make sure I wasn't missing anything. At the time, me, you, slysly, chara, dunn, and obviously creature all thought stargazers was scum. Mathblade was the only one who expressed doubts, and lane and GV were the only ones who didn't comment on it.

I think it was clear stargazers would get lynched. I can't say "no you couldn't have possibly thought it was unclear", but your behavior still gives me qualms

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And expedience didn't comment

The only way star want getting lynched was if expedience, GV, and lane all adamantly townread them and were able to somehow get everyone else to agree on a better lynch.

Seems impossible to me.

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Fair enough and ya I had mathblade in mind primarily. I think I was skewed onto her a bit bc of something that made me feel she was town

Ok

I continue to like your posts, I can't tell whether it's just because I like your playstyle or because you're town

But I don't want to townread someone based on just gut after I did that for stargazers and see how that worked out...

I wonder if GV is scum after all

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If varsoon was the only head in that hydra I'd lynch the fuck out of him

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You think the two remaining scum are cross bussing?

How about chara

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Is Not chara in the house slot?

Missed this

Chara is guilty's slot, house slot is empty

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Infinity vars and I haven't gotten together about this game since sometime day 1. I understand his read on you, it's a remnant of your early interactions. There's omgus-y feelings going on from both sides and it's stilly and needs to get squashed.

Look at the people who pushed you day 1. Thinking back I don't like the way expedience piggybacked it.

Eh, I was looking them at the time and nothing stuck out as particularly scummy. Can you quote some stuff?

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I remember agreeing with a lot of what expedience said after they stopped tunneling me

And iirc expedience was pushing me before that?

Anyway I can see town getting suspicious of someone not having only one solid scumread which wasn't even that strong to begin with.

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@grapes Believe me, dealing with expe was frustrating too at the time. Every post I made he'd call scummy for a certain period of time, which was frustrating for me and I understand how it could be frustrating for him. But then ceasing interaction completely was even more frustrating for me...I did kinda want to vote him a few points back then but since then he said quite a few things I agree with and just in general his play doesn't seem scum-motivated to me.

I know you thought my issues with my interactions with varsoon on d1 were ridiculous but that never went away.

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@Grape: Add infinity to that list as well since he found it so important to include his pseudo-hammer post.

I don't get what your big issue with this is

You think scum!me would expect to get towncred for hammering to L+1

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@panther What happened to your read on house

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@Grape: Add infinity to that list as well since he found it so important to include his pseudo-hammer post.

I don't get what your big issue with this is

You think scum!me would expect to get towncred for hammering to L+1

I just have this feeling you were going to let the day go to no lynch and that you posted that for nothing but show.

Ok, you're wrong

@panther What happened to your read on house

nothing happened to it. still feel like how he addressed me was off the cuff fabricated and he had no basis to have a staunch and repeated "you're just commenting bro" stance about someone who had been in the game for an hour's worth of posts

are you asking in reply to the town reads I listed?

I was just wondering since you hadn't mentioned it in a while

I guess cause the slot's empty

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I just looked at House's voting and him moving off of Gamma when he got to L-2 and then going back to Gamma after infinity berated him for voting slysly who was a townread

but then I read that sequence of posts and slysly had moved his vote to gamma who was a townread of his. had even said before that "get the fuck of sly"

but then comes in and says he thought gamma wagon was stale and he was going for a compromise lynch which was slysly, who gamma was voting

so then he peels back to gamma and freaks out on infinity for questioning what he was doing and goes back to saying how obviously scummy gamma was

Spoiler:

Day 1 Vote Count 1.17

Lane0168 (L-6): GuiltyLion,
House (L-6): Pantherpunt,
PantherPunt (L-3): Infinity324, Expedience, SlySly, Creature,
SlySly (L-4): Gamma Emerald, lane0168, Stargazers,
Gamma Emerald (L-3): House, Grapevine, Mathblade, Dunnstral,

Not Voting (0):

With 13 Alive it Takes 7 To Lynch

Searching for Replacement for GuiltyLion

Day Ends (expired on 2016-10-17 08:00:00)

Lol, people get the fuck off Sly...

Fuck it.

VOTE: SlySly

You've been calling slysly town for...how long now? And never mentioned once that you were losing your townread of him

ffs

This is really bad play if you're town

VOTE: Gamma

L-2

Getting all jumpy over a couple votes looks shady as fuck, Infinity.

So I was giving up on the Gamma wagon because it was getting stale and went for a compromise lynch. So what?

So I rejoined the wagon when I saw that it wasn't as anemic as I thought. So what?

Where's the scum motivation in my votes?

Answer that.

Did I call it scummy?

I said it warrants an explanation.

Quote one post where you showed doubt of your sly townread before you voted him.

Did I call it scummy?

I said it warrants an explanation.

Quote one post where you showed doubt of your sly townread before you voted him.

That post is my vote. If I had a hard scumread on Sly, my vote post wouldn't have been "fuck it", you shadecasting dick.

it looks like fake anger and it looks like a fake read when he can abandon it and then go back to it and declare how strongly scummy gamma is

not to mention I was on House's willing to lynch list but after his intial shade throw at me that I fought him on he doesn't address me at all or talk about his read on me when I am actually a viable wagon

fake reads

See this is the kind of stuff I don't think scum would readily do. The first point seems like too much risk for too little reward, and with the second point if you're town house would want to discuss/push your wagon more.

Ironically all of the votes on me look genuine except GV's. But I don't want to go into d1 too much except for associatives because scum were probably careful to look town.

Gamma wagon was weird since it was just a 4 person wagon + 3 who jumped on to avoid a no lynch. Panther and SlySly's alignments are kind of important to determining stuff there, but from the way things played out it indicates all 3 were town actually. Scum would've tried to jump on a CW if one was scum, but instead everything just stalled.

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But in terms of where scum probably were if in fact all 3 wagons were town, they really could be anywhere. Offwagon might be slightly more likely than usual in that case.

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I am more than happy to lynch lane still and will gladly move my vote back, but the deadline approaches and it's time to get this game moving.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panther

VOTE: Panther

VOTE: Panther

VOTE: slysly didn't realize there was potential for a wagon. Good deal!

VOTE: Slysly

Creature and Sly look like partners with that last line cause I know for sure me "asking if others find this post scummy" doesn't look bad whatever bs Creature was making up
~Maria

hmmmm

no longer sold on the all 3 town thing

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I don't think we're ever going to agree on house unfortunately. My gut is telling me he's town because he is, and I'm almost never wrong when that's the case.

Interestingly there seemed to be a lot of discussion and pushing on gamma and slysly after the flashwagon on panther.

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Let's wait for house replacement ok?

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I'll be open to the possibility that house is an amazing scum player but even that seems unlikely to me

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grapevine barely mentions stargazers but has them in their scumpool. Nothing conclusive, but interesting

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Expedience barely mentioned stargazers and had them and null then moves them to nulltown

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Let's wait for house replacement ok?

I'm ready to end the day now.

W/e hopefully no one hammers

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UNVOTE:

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LOL you were voting him and telling me to wait?

I forgot to change it lol

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What does that mean

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I'm annoyed that there's not much to work off of

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I'm annoyed that there's not much to work off of

Honestly I don't know who is scum either, I think Panther is slightly more likely but I'm null on several players.

I thought you were saying I was scum for not interacting with Stargazers.

It doesn't look good for you but grapevines are just as bad

And panther and chara didn't even get a chance to interact with them

So I'm basically getting nowhere with those associations

See the thing is, chara slot being empty changes a lot. It's one less scum to help counter wagon. It's possible that's why the wagons stalled, and it's also possible that panther being town is the reason

Panther scum with chara town is unlikely imo

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Chara, who are gazers' buddies?

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Why are you so sure about chara now?

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I though panther and expe were scummier for you earlier, what changed?

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Lion was scum.

Chara hasn't given anything original. Etc.

I'd say expe is more town this page than panther.

Missed this, ok

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Dafuq

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Chara just claimed traitor to me

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I'm not even joking

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What the fuck

Creature scum is a hell of a tinfoil at this point

And house slot is obvtown imo

Still trying to decide what I think about the reaction test

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I don't think Chara is a legit traitor that did that and played it off as an rt. But it could still be scum

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Chara, were you expecting me to believe your traitor claim as scum? If so why?

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I'd like you to explain your scumread on house

Creature is playing like he does as town, and faking a guilty on a partner is most definitely

not

just like another kind of bus. Instead of having your vote and having to try to convince people to vote your scumbuddy, a guilty basically guarantees a lynch on scum that wouldn't happen otherwise. Yes it's possible, but I don't think many scum would have the guts to do that sort of thing.

And ok

Why didn't you want gazers lynched earlier?

PEdit: that's along the lines I was thinking with my confidence level question. But any world where creature is scum is a tinfoil

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Actions > words

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House called back his post calling out lane's defensiveness to defend against dunn's accusation hat he was defending lane at every turn.

There's no way to guarantee your partner gets lynched unless you claim a guilty on them. All you have is one vote and a voice, people can be stubborn and hard to convince. Claiming a guilty is a huge step up. I

have

done a similar thing before, but the circumstances were very different. Mathblade would know a thing or two about power bussing, it's very different...

And ok about gazers

What do you think about the fact that everyon seems to townread your scumreads

PEdit: that's dumb play not scum. A lot of people in a lot of different places, including this game, have made cases and failed to consider scum motivation. (I don't remember seeing a lot of possible scum motivation when I was pushed, for example). But they're not all scum

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ISOd gamma again

In two whole minutes?

Puh-leez

No, I started it earlier and finished it in between posting

Alrighty then, perhaps you can explain something, since he couldn't.

Why did he upgrade his neutral read on Guilty when I called him out for trusting a neutral read to vouch for a town read?

Even when he upgraded his read, it was only to town lean... But he put me at hard town based on a newly (after the fact) minted town

lean

's word?

Perhaps you can help me understand how that could come from a mindset other than manipulation.

As for the hard town vs. town lean thing, I already explain that. Town lean means percentage wise, a very high chance to be town, and therefore a very high chance to be able to trust him on the read. If guilty is scum, you're not necessarily scum, but if guilty is town you are more likely to be town. So it makes sense for you to go up in his reads regardless

Precisely, which is why I should not have been considered hard town based on a town lean's word unless he already knew Guilty actually IS town!

But percentage wise, most people are probably town so your chance of being town overall goes up

Oh so by your reasoning, everybody in the game could be town lean, right?

You are bending over backwards to excuse his bullshit.

Not I'm not

If you want me to do the math I will

If you going up in his reads depends on guilty being town, you still go up in his reads,

but by slightly less

Okay sport.

final thought though: House town-told in a message he sent me, I don't think he'd be a good lynch

I like your nathan fielder image
Also
You're gonna have to do better than that, man what

I believe him, House is officially p much as strong a townread as Lane.

At the time of this post, Guilty was a neutral and Lane was his only hard town read.

He took a neutral read's word and placed me WAY ABOVE neutral.

When he upgraded Guilty to town lean, that's still BELOW what he moved me to.


EXPLAIN THAT AWAY

This is a bad argument but I think house believed it

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Oh my God are you people still talking? Why? Everything you're talking about depends on stargazers flip. We don't know for sure what that is. So save it.

I'm annoyed not chara throws this gambit in there. Seems like a distraction. Let's get this day over with already

Gazers claimed scum pretty much

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If you want me to quote a ton of posts where people failed to consider scum motivation in this game, I'll do it. It's a very common mistake to make as town. There's a reason why my sig has to exist.

House town is a really strong gut feeling I guess. I might try to quote some posts that stuck out to me

Most of my scumreads are PoE. Every time varsoon talks it makes my gut squirm and it doesn't feel like he's gamesolving at all. But grapes looks town to me. Panther is because he kept arguing to lynch gazers after it was clear they were being lynched and because...he's not doing as much as I think he should given how he seems to me as a player. And expedience I think is town tbh but PoE. Now that I went over it again I kinda want to lynch grapevine...it feels like grapes may have been trying to buddy me

I hate to admit it but...your gambit looks town. And I don't want to have to go over this game once again but I really should

[Infinity 324]

Wow, was not expecting to see game over in this title when I woke up.

I feel bad for scum. There isn't much you can do when the cop catches 2 of you in a setup that's town sided to begin with.

It's not a town mindset to try to be less waffly to look more town, that's how scum think. If I don't have strong reads as town, I'll waffle. It's the other townies' jobs to determine whether it's town waffling or scum waffling.

Not to mention vigs should be used to eliminate common scumreads instead of personal scumreads but that's a whole other matter. I would never have been lynched since my play fit too well with my role.

Posted this in the dead tread directed at varsoon. But it's not as big of a deal as I make it out to be there

gg everyone

[Infinity 324]

Already explained this in the dead thread. Lynch > no lynch in every case in a closed setup. You can't say you knew there would be no kill because that's just not true, no one could've predicted that. Stop being a sore winner.

I was banking on panther being lynched if he didn't live up to his promises, and I was correct in that.