Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #406 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:46 am

In post 342, BATORU wrote:
In post 176, Mega Frozen wrote:
In post 109, BATORU wrote:Bleh you misunderstand. I said anti-town, not scum-motivated. iron not claiming could have turned a scum kill back on them if we assume their factional kill is a spell (which I do because even our votes are spells). He's null to me which is why I said I dislike Frozen's vote on him.
That and the fact she's not doing as much as I expect from her.
What is the thing you expect from me?

I tried to pretend Iron spell claim was scummy to me to make him talk and he contradicted himself. I want that slot to talk - if your null reading him whats the deal?

and thanks!

Btw I'm catching up and won't answer anything new you tell before that.

#Frozen
It felt like you were fluffing a lot and too concerned about how iron's ability worked. I didn't like that. Your vote on him felt contrived also because I couldn't see you actually thinking what he did was scummy rather than just anti-town, which makes sense if you didn't actually think the claim was scummy, I guess.

In comparison to Shadowrun where you very quickly started doing things to help town and were really obvtown in the process this just feels like early game you were sitting back and blending in more with the mechanics talk if that makes sense? I liked you prodding iron about massclaiming but I think that was a relatively easy post for you to have made as scum too.

~Ruko

I believe that was mostly me on the MC concerns

@MOD I'll stay in for now

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #407 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:47 am

In post 350, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Ironstove
I think this is frozen's town game

This guy is scum and drealmer can die too

For some reason I agree with Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #408 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:48 am

In post 354, ironstove wrote:Lynch me then Lynch frozen thanks

OK I don't really see scum doing this sort of 1 for 1
can be town for now

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #409 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:52 am

In post 359, Prism wrote:Frozen's play is probably worth a metadive and I'll try to get around to it another day. To answer Gamma, I did RQS because I thought it would be useful. I didn't spend too much time thinking them up, they were just the first ones I thought of in 2-3 minutes, but they all have a purpose. What answer did you expect from a scum vs. town me here?[quote="In

I expected town you to answer something like "I wanted to do it" or whatever.
I'll be honest here: the use of RQS from you pings my scumdar.
However your arguments seem logical so you are just a scumlean for now.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #410 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:55 am

In post 371, Sondam wrote:Why are people voting Iron when he's town? Lol

~G

yeah
I think Frozen parked on him
UNVOTE:

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #411 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:59 am

In post 377, BATORU wrote:
In post 375, ironstove wrote:
In post 359, Prism wrote:Frozen's play is probably worth a metadive and I'll try to get around to it another day. To answer Gamma, I did RQS because I thought it would be useful. I didn't spend too much time thinking them up, they were just the first ones I thought of in 2-3 minutes, but they all have a purpose. What answer did you expect from a scum vs. town me here?
In post 357, ironstove wrote:I'm not, but I want to see frozen lynched and if me flipping town proves my fos isn't scum motivated then maybe you guys will listen.
This is a pretty big overreaction. Does your FOS have even a 50% chance of being mafia? If you're town, there's 9 other town and 3 mafia. I wouldn't be so eager to jump into giving us something that's likely a double mislynch. Saying this just makes me want to lynch you hoping you're mafia and then subsequently discard your FoS if you flip town, and that's not the thought you want to inspire in anyone.[quote="In
In post 351, BATORU wrote:
In post 350, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Ironstove
I think this is frozen's town game

This guy is scum
Agreed
Can you expound on this? The reasoning isn't immediately clear to me.
This is a pretty scummy post. How exactly can I determine if my fos has a '50% chance they are mafia'?

What is this bs that you are pulling out of your a$$?
You can determine what your read on them is given the fact that there are more town than mafia.

Why would you risk burning out at least 1 and possibly 2 MLs just to get your scumread lynched "after you flip town" when your scumread isn't even certain? It's d1, and there was already a wagon on your scumread, and there are 3 mafia.

It's just confbiased town dw

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #427 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:58 am

In post 425, Prism wrote:Second part of this is what I want a response to.
In post 409, Gamma Emerald wrote:I expected town you to answer something like "I wanted to do it" or whatever.
Anything I do in a mafia game is because I think it's useful-I don't do anything, or say a single word, that I think is useless. I mean this in the most literal sense. Call it wanting to if it makes it easier.
In post 409, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'll be honest here: the use of RQS from you pings my scumdar.
Why?

I can't tell you.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #441 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:49 am

In post 432, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 354, ironstove wrote:Lynch me then Lynch frozen thanks
OK I don't really see scum doing this sort of 1 for 1
can be town for now
so

bad

looks to me like scum that got overeager and said that when it honestly made no sense to try to get towncred

Town does this method. I've seen it twice.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #476 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:01 pm

In post 458, Prism wrote:I'm liking my vote on Gamma more now. I questioned the Frozen read as townreads from others came in affirming that this is just how Frozen plays, but it still came off as too forceful with the "I'm town" reminders. Since Gamma's gone solo it's made me feel better about it.
In post 427, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can't tell you.
That's probably because your read was bullshit.

I'm not buying the Iron townread either.

You can buzz off.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #478 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 476, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 458, Prism wrote:I'm liking my vote on Gamma more now. I questioned the Frozen read as townreads from others came in affirming that this is just how Frozen plays, but it still came off as too forceful with the "I'm town" reminders. Since Gamma's gone solo it's made me feel better about it.
In post 427, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can't tell you.
That's probably because your read was bullshit.

I'm not buying the Iron townread either.
You can buzz off.

I'll try to explain the Iron townread at least.
I've seen town go for a lynch on themselves to give validation to their case a few time:
Jake From State Farm/BigYoshiFan in Mini Normal 1832 Day 1
Nachomamma/Elyse in Family Mafia Day 4 (when he resorted to this tactic)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #497 (isolation #10) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:36 am

I think Sondam believes the BTD wagon has more traction

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #505 (isolation #11) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:05 pm

In post 504, Wisdom wrote:can we wagon Sondam

maybe
feeling you more
VOTE: Wisdom

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #514 (isolation #12) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:58 am

OKAY HERE'S THE FUCKING DEAL
WISDOM GOT CAUGHT AS SCUM BY SONDAM IN A PAST GAME
WISDOM IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY TRYING TO FEARLYNCH
VOTE: Wisdom

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #517 (isolation #13) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:23 am

Wisdom's play so far has been a tunnel on Sondam
THAT'S ALL

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #521 (isolation #14) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:22 am

In post 519, Wisdom wrote:
In post 517, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wisdom's play so far has been a tunnel on Sondam
THAT'S ALL
and it will most likely continue being that way because this playerlist is pretty foreign to me

Piss off
We have 2 full games now
This looks like your scum game

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #541 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:17 pm

BTD is always noncommittal D1.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #543 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:24 pm

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #551 (isolation #17) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:49 am

Holy fuck
What the hell is the case on Sondam?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #553 (isolation #18) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:59 am

WOW
FUCKING PAGE 23 RVS WAGON

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #567 (isolation #19) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:35 am

I'm thinking this game may be a PoE game.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #577 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:59 am

In post 575, Wisdom wrote:in DN they were scummy as hell, im pretty sure they'll be equally scummy as scum

No they weren't
I had a solid townread since the Nero push

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #579 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:08 am

In post 578, Wisdom wrote:i know i scumread them so

Well you were scum so you can shut up

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #581 (isolation #22) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:13 am

Oh really
I don't remember who gave me blowback for suggesting the scum were ~40% of the people that game: was it you?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #583 (isolation #23) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:15 am

Whatever.
Your statement is faulty anyway. Maria has stated many times in games I've played she has an easier time getting townread as scum. I don't know about gerry though.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #586 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:29 am

Well rn I'm reading them through how others are interacting with them
And they're solid town

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #588 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:34 am

For one NC's vote is scummy as hell
No preface just a vote.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #590 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:40 am

In post 196, Not Chara wrote:i really don't see why we're toying with spell mass-claiming. it's the same reason anyone doesn't claim their 1-shot PR in another game. it's just telling scum how to handle the night.

Prism: explain your Wisdom vote? i don't see it.
dunn should explain as well.

Fire Assassin's first post is entirely lost on me.

if BATORU hydra could stop signing altogether, or consistently sign, that would be ideal. i've simply begun to not care who is posting there.

post edit: no longer have the question for Prims. Dunn, i'd still like to know why you followed Prism onto Wisdom.

ironstove: do you plan on playing the game sometime soon? and answering the many, many questions about how exactly your power works?
VOTE: Sondam

Points about:
Prism
Wisdom
Fire
Batoru
Iron
Dunn
NO POINTS ABOUT SONDAM

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #592 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:47 am

There's NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #609 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:31 pm

o rlly

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #610 (isolation #29) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 575, Wisdom wrote:in DN they were scummy as hell, im pretty sure they'll be equally scummy as scum

META BITCH!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #612 (isolation #30) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:50 pm

OK then
What do you find so scummy?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #627 (isolation #31) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:15 pm

Okay
What if BTD is scum?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #630 (isolation #32) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:22 pm

In post 66, Dunnstral wrote:Waiting for gamma emerald to start posting before I can vote them

Why were you waiting for me? Why did you want to vote us then?
I'm doing a combined ISO of Dunn/BTD rn and this caught my eye.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #631 (isolation #33) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:23 pm

In post 71, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: ironstove

I'm curious how their ability works. Does it delete the power? Give it back to whoever used it? And does it just disappear after one use? (other spells get bounced around so that's odd)

I don't think they're fake claiming but there is actually scum gain to be claiming that aside from towncred (powers won't target you, giving you a buffer)

Mega Frozen wrote: But Gamma already posted. whats holding you back?
Didn't realize

also it was a joke

Oh right
Now I feel stupid

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #634 (isolation #34) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:25 pm

In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Sondam

This vote makes sense given the context

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #635 (isolation #35) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:26 pm

In post 632, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 71, Dunnstral wrote:also it was a joke

Ha I noticed it before you quoted it

In post 633, Dunnstral wrote:Have you ever played with btd6 before

ARE YOU SERIOUS? TWO FOLD MATRIX6! YOU WERE THERE! I WAS THERE! BTD WAS THERE!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #636 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:28 pm

In post 126, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 105, Sondam wrote:
In post 46, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 28, ironstove wrote:I have spell-reflect, it lets me fire back the first spell that is cast on me. So CURSE YOU!
Wait

How does this work? Wouldn't it give whoever targets you the spell to reflect back other spells in exchange for what they used?

Probably shouldn't have claimed
scum claim.

In post 111, Sondam wrote:Anyone who thinks Dunn didn't scum claim in that post is scum with him.

~G
Do explain

My two cents on this is they think you're scum for suggesting a negative utility not claim
It's a big misunderstanding, you likely didn't realize it was NU.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #639 (isolation #37) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 295, BTD6_maker wrote:This game has had a lot of content in one day.

Anyway, I have been reading (mainly skimming). I currently have a very weak scumread on Mega Frozen and since it is still early Day 1 I do not have anything much stronger than that. I also have a very weak Townread on Fire.

VOTE: Mega Frozen

Explain how you got to your scumread on my slot.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #640 (isolation #38) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:32 pm

In post 638, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 634, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Sondam
This vote makes sense given the context
ok

why did you say this actually

Because I'm trying to sort the Sondam wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #641 (isolation #39) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:34 pm

In post 432, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 354, ironstove wrote:Lynch me then Lynch frozen thanks
OK I don't really see scum doing this sort of 1 for 1
can be town for now
so

bad

looks to me like scum that got overeager and said that when it honestly made no sense to try to get towncred

Okay nice tunnel on iron bud

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #642 (isolation #40) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:36 pm

In post 483, BTD6_maker wrote:I was busy yesterday and did not get a chance to post.

Anyway, Drealmerz, you claim I was talking about a Vigilante and came to the conclusion that I was worried one might exist. As pointed out, it's true that I really do not want a Vig to exist in this game purely because I hate Vig as a role (as shown by my quotes in Mini Theme 1801, but also in other games like Open 644). Besides, if scum were worried about Vig purely because it could kill them and not because they hate the role, they would point this out in the Daychat rather than here.

Also, there wasn't much to talk about. At that point setup spec that didn't reveal any information to scum was better content than RVS.

I dislike Drealmerz' push on me but I am inclined to read it as only very weak scum for now.

Didn't you say that in RQS in TFMatrix6?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #643 (isolation #41) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:37 pm

About the Vig, BTW

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #646 (isolation #42) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:39 pm

In post 504, Wisdom wrote:can we wagon Sondam

In post 507, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Sondam

In post 508, Nosferatu wrote:k
VOTE: sondam

Upon Wisdom scumflip one of these is a likely buddy.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #647 (isolation #43) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:40 pm

In post 645, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 640, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 638, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 634, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Sondam
This vote makes sense given the context
ok

why did you say this actually
Because I'm trying to sort the Sondam wagon.
We can start by lynching Sondam?

No
I read their wagon as opportunistic and built around a fearlynch.
Solid town.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #648 (isolation #44) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:42 pm

In post 524, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 515, drealmerz7 wrote:[quote="In
What do you think BTD's motivation would be for posting that as scum? What do you think his motivation would be for posting that as town?
~Ruko
I find a lot of times scum don't think before posting and are just excited to talk about the things without realizing it's scummy to talk about the things / or that they might give slips if they talk about the things. I find this is what is possible here, that he didn't realize he had terminology available to him that was not available to others and went to talk as if it was shared knowledge when it wasn't. It's been a bit now I should probably go re-read and see how it all progressed and if I still feel that way about it.

Scum don't think about posting? Scum have daychat in this game. If they want to talk about something they know to be scummy, that is the most likely place for them to post it. In my experience, scum are less excited and more afraid of dropping scumtells, whereas Town ae more likely to just want to get their information across regardless of its scumminess. I just thought for a moment about what the setup would be like and also read rules etc. carefully. In the Sample PM, it states "None of the above applies to dark magic" so I reasoned from there. Because I read very carefully and think about what this could mean, I occasionally appear to know more than the average Townie.

This is clearly bad logic, but whether it is genuinely scummy or not I am not sure just yet. However, Sondam's other head, while unvoting me, is still opportunistic and giving practically no actual reason for the vote. This is a very weak scumread, and currently worth voting.

VOTE: Sondam[/quote]
This is the towniest vote for Sondam so far

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #651 (isolation #45) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:43 pm

In post 648, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 524, BTD6_maker wrote:
In post 515, drealmerz7 wrote:
What do you think BTD's motivation would be for posting that as scum? What do you think his motivation would be for posting that as town?
~Ruko
I find a lot of times scum don't think before posting and are just excited to talk about the things without realizing it's scummy to talk about the things / or that they might give slips if they talk about the things. I find this is what is possible here, that he didn't realize he had terminology available to him that was not available to others and went to talk as if it was shared knowledge when it wasn't. It's been a bit now I should probably go re-read and see how it all progressed and if I still feel that way about it.
Scum don't think about posting? Scum have daychat in this game. If they want to talk about something they know to be scummy, that is the most likely place for them to post it. In my experience, scum are less excited and more afraid of dropping scumtells, whereas Town ae more likely to just want to get their information across regardless of its scumminess. I just thought for a moment about what the setup would be like and also read rules etc. carefully. In the Sample PM, it states "None of the above applies to dark magic" so I reasoned from there. Because I read very carefully and think about what this could mean, I occasionally appear to know more than the average Townie.

This is clearly bad logic, but whether it is genuinely scummy or not I am not sure just yet. However, Sondam's other head, while unvoting me, is still opportunistic and giving practically no actual reason for the vote. This is a very weak scumread, and currently worth voting.

VOTE: Sondam
This is the towniest vote for Sondam so far

EBWOP

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #652 (isolation #46) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:44 pm

VOTE: Wisdom

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #653 (isolation #47) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:44 pm

Okay so Dunn and BTD actually are the towniest people on the Sondam Wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #655 (isolation #48) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:46 pm

My read on him isn't really based on meta
But OK

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #660 (isolation #49) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:52 pm

Reads atm:
Fire Assassin: unsorted
BATORU: unsorted
drealmerz7: unsorted
pisskop: unsorted
Wisdom: scum
Not Chara: scummy
Prism: scum
ironstove: town
Nosferatu: scummy
Sondam: town
Dunnstral: town
BTD6_Maker: town
May ISO Fire Nos pisskop dreal or BATORU

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #661 (isolation #50) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:53 pm

In post 659, Sondam wrote:
In post 656, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 654, Sondam wrote:I'm willing to not vote BTD because you guys have meta on them.
Thought I was scum though?
Where did I say you were town? lol

~G

You're trusting him on his meta read.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #665 (isolation #51) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:00 pm

I was all set to quote what Sondam just pointed out in BATORU's ISO

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #666 (isolation #52) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:02 pm

Yeah BATORU is solid town.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #668 (isolation #53) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:05 pm

In post 213, Not Chara wrote:
In post 210, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 207, Mega Frozen wrote:@People can you please refer to Fire as Fire? Fire why your inning to games with your FA acc? Your trying to confuse me >.>
I believe I was a pre-in before you signed up.
Even so, if I formed such a dastardly plan, I would have probably announced it in sign ups.

Whats your read on Sondam?
scum. why was this question asked, Fire? ;>

Sondam: please tell me, in detail, why you are so very obvious town.

Saw this while ISOing Fire.
Bad post. Answering a question directed at our slot while avoid a more in depth question directed at theirs.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #669 (isolation #54) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:06 pm

In post 225, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 224, Mega Frozen wrote:@Fire I know you won't hear me and call me ATE'e or whatever, I'm not going to respond to you emotional. I want to cooprate with you logical wise to understand your scumread on me and deflect it. This is my step , now its your turn. What are your concerns?
I can't pinpoint my concerns yet, ill let you know when they become more available.

Fake read much?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #670 (isolation #55) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:08 pm

In post 232, Fire Assassin wrote:I am pretty sure scum are more hyper vigilant on knowing who is voting who than town are, as a rule of thumb.

I've been called scum for forgetting my past reads but this is like the opposite error. You assume scum would try to keep track of this. I can see why but it's still a fallacy.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #672 (isolation #56) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:10 pm

In post 289, Fire Assassin wrote:
In post 288, Wisdom wrote:{prism, drealmer, ironstove, Sondam} are the people my gut liked the least
what don't you like about sondam?
or prism?

This'll be good.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #673 (isolation #57) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:11 pm

In post 292, Nahdia wrote:
Though there are those who hold them in esteem, the reputation of the Nyx Family is permanently blackened by them being credited with the first usage of dark magic.

-Excerpt from
The Fifteen Families
by Frederick Kendall
Votecount 1.02

Sondam (3):
Wisdom, Fire Assassin, Not Chara

Dunnstral (2):
Nosferatu, Sondam

Mega Frozen (2):
BATORU, Prism

Not Chara (1):
BTD6_Maker

Nosferatu (1):
ironstove

ironstove (1):
Mega Frozen

BTD6_Maker (1):
drealmerz7

drealmerz7 (1):
Dunnstral

Fire Assassin (1):
pisskop

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2016-11-30 13:05:00).

In post 291, Fire Assassin wrote:
@Mod: Can players gain spells without another players intervention or does it always have to be players intervention?
When spells are "compulsory and must use first opportunity" how does that work for something like a hated spell? Does that mean by end of day they give to another player?
No comment on both counts. I won't publicly answer questions relating to abilities, whether present in the game or not, unless those abilities are public.

Never noticed the flavor bit in this VC before. Interesting.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #674 (isolation #58) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:14 pm

Fire is a town read.
NC is a redder shade.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #675 (isolation #59) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:19 pm

Ugh. Pisskop's ISO is unmemorable and his pushes seem to be on town.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #676 (isolation #60) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:22 pm

In post 400, drealmerz7 wrote:
In post 59, BTD6_maker wrote:
I think the vote spell is unlimited use and cannot be passed on. Only spells for night actions (excluding factional scum dark magic such as nightkills) are passed on compulsively.

I doubt there is a Vigilante spell in this game, though, because it would immediately be destroyed N1 and I doubt Nahdia would want a spell like that. Thus the only kill probably comes from scum's dark magic.

If something like a Cop or a Doc or other role were to land in scum's hands, couldn't they just pass it back and forth between themselves every night, effectively taking out a TPR? If scum cannot target scum then we can break the game by analysing all spell transfers to rule out partners so this is probably possible.

Yes, BTD6 is Town. I'm ready for another exciting game of "is Dunnstral Town".

This sounds like filler of saying nothing.

Who is more likely to have thoughts about vigs? I think scum do.

Role/ability spec like this is scum.

NAI-NAI-NAI

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #679 (isolation #61) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:24 pm

drealmerz doesn't feel forced
he's a townread

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #680 (isolation #62) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:25 pm

In post 677, Prism wrote:Can you maybe combine these into single posts?

I quote as I go through.
I could use the Q+ button but I find it less efficient to me
I only use it when posts directly affect each other's contexts.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #681 (isolation #63) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:26 pm

In post 663, Prism wrote:
In post 660, Gamma Emerald wrote:Prism: scum
Again for supposedly being more likely to use RQS as scum. God only knows how I'd ever manage to play as mafia if I can't even figure out how I prefer to start the game as town.

BTW could you explain what you mean by this?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #682 (isolation #64) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:31 pm

In post 576, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 562, ironstove wrote:General resistance, there didn't seem to be much. The votes came in a seamless fashion.
I count about 5 people who don't want this lynch, thats hella resistance fam.

More of a "all these votes came with little convincing" thing, bud.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #685 (isolation #65) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:34 pm

In post 587, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 586, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well rn I'm reading them through how others are interacting with them
And they're solid town
then wouldn't you need to have reads on basically everyone who interacts with them to then read them?

In post 606, Nosferatu wrote:TIL you need meta to think someone sounds scummy

First post seems scummy but the second IDK it feels frustrated but it also feels fake.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #686 (isolation #66) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:34 pm

In post 684, Prism wrote:
In post 681, Gamma Emerald wrote:BTW could you explain what you mean by this?
Your only cited reason is the fact I used RQS. If I'm scum, and I can't even figure out that I don't RQS as town, I'm a horrible scum.

Okay whatever

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #687 (isolation #67) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:36 pm

Full reads:
Fire Assassin: towny
BATORU: town
drealmerz7: towny
pisskop: scummy
Wisdom: scum
Not Chara: scum
Prism: scum
ironstove: town
Nosferatu: scummy
Sondam: town
Dunnstral: town
BTD6_Maker: town

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #688 (isolation #68) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:40 pm

In post 683, BTD6_maker wrote:I've been busy and unable to post yesterday (and have been skimming the most recent pages) but for some reason or the other Sondam thinks there is no case on them. I explicitly said that I was voting Sondam due to opportunism.

I'd like to declared BTD conftown is that okay

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #722 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:01 am

In post 701, pisskop wrote:sorry. Ill read and pop up a readlist.

I did see Wiz/Sondam. wth wisdom. why is sond scumz

In post 702, Wisdom wrote:why aren't they

In post 703, pisskop wrote:fair enough.

Im more interested in seeing how active you got to make this happen. I expected a lurker D1

...Well then.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #725 (isolation #70) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:50 am

Wisdom's push on Sondam is scummy
This also doesn't feel like his town game, I feel like he puts more thought into those
NC's vote on Sondam came out of nowhere
Some other posts ping me
Prism's thing is using RQS, though I can't explain why.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #727 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:52 am

I was able to ID you as town pretty quickly in True Love

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #730 (isolation #72) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:54 am

That game you used towncred to push MLs
I translated that to "bad pushes as scum", which I feel I'm seeing here.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #732 (isolation #73) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:55 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68495

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #736 (isolation #74) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:28 am

In post 735, Wisdom wrote:nah, pisskop is town

stay on sondam

Yeah sure
You're just townreading them because they're sheeping you

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #738 (isolation #75) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:29 am

Also can we pls at least keep Sondam alive until Night 1

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #743 (isolation #76) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:48 am

Well AC was more broadly dunked by the entire town

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #757 (isolation #77) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:25 pm

Well I did the same with most of the Sondam votes too

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #766 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:08 pm

TIL Dunnstral deosn't get sarcasm

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #768 (isolation #79) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:31 pm

I believe Gerry was there too

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #793 (isolation #80) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:54 pm

In post 773, drealmerz7 wrote:Sondam looks town and that looks like a convenient scum wagon with 2 on it - next...

Yes
Like, even if Wisdom is not scum, the wagon is still scum driven.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #794 (isolation #81) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:59 pm

Drealmerz is speaking my language here and it's freaking me out

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #807 (isolation #82) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:02 pm

Here's an exercise I'd like to try: everyone on the Sondam wagon say who you think their buddies are in your next post.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #905 (isolation #83) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:35 pm

In post 819, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 807, Gamma Emerald wrote:Here's an exercise I'd like to try: everyone on the Sondam wagon say who you think their buddies are in your next post.
I'm gonna say two of {not chara, ironstove, prism}

leaning towards the first two.

Why?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #908 (isolation #84) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 832, Not Chara wrote:scum: Dunn, Nosferatu, pisskop
null: BTD, Sondam
town: Frozen/Gamma, Prism, BATORU, drealmerz, Fire, ironstove, Impoetic, Wisdom

i'm caught up, essentially. and now i can properly play.
Sondam, if you keep asking me for reasoning while i'm not present, you won't get reasoning. but i'm here now.
my issues with Sondam were actually quoted by Dunn: i didn't like the tone of their posts, by not liking their entrance i meant their posts in general up to that point, i didn't like them referring to themselves as 'obvtown', and it seemed a good early-game vote. that they reacted to the votes with 'what are you doing, i'm obvious town', made me ask why they were.

VOTE: Dunnstral

calling Wisdom 'afraid' of Sondam is ridiculous. that isn't how he plays, from what i've seen.
i wouldn't want to wagon Sondam right now, after finishing catching up. they're a slot i believe i'll have trouble reading.

Wisdom: why is pisskop town? i feel the opposite.

This is a decent return
Welcome to my townpile

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #910 (isolation #85) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:49 pm

In post 909, Fire Assassin wrote:Gamma what exactly do you like about that post?

Well if Sondam is tow, which I think is the case, NC has no reason to not leave their vote.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #913 (isolation #86) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:58 pm

Impoetic needs to stop hydra slipping

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #915 (isolation #87) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:05 pm

In post 914, Nosferatu wrote:@gamma emerald: UNVOTE: sondam

is my slot townier now?

Not yet

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #916 (isolation #88) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:05 pm

My read on you is based on an entire ISO so you're gonna have to put more effort in

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #933 (isolation #89) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:57 pm

Wow that's a good point Fire
I'll look back and see

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #936 (isolation #90) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:59 pm

VOTE: Not Chara
Yeah the cogdis is strong here and I think I may be developing a tell for NC based on this and Death Note

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #966 (isolation #91) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:20 am

Get a PT!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #972 (isolation #92) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:33 pm

?
I think he sent his request via PM...

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #988 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:18 pm

In post 986, Dunnstral wrote:Your reads changed to wisdom not being scum when he's voting someone else and everyone else on your wagon being scum

That's a lie. It's

at least

an overgeneralization.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #991 (isolation #94) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:25 pm

WHY CAN'T ANYONE SEE THAT IRON IS OBV TOWN?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #993 (isolation #95) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 354, ironstove wrote:Lynch me then Lynch frozen thanks

Why would scum suggest this instead of "lynch them if they flip town lynch me"?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #995 (isolation #96) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:32 pm

Well I've considered that and for now I feel it's from town.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #997 (isolation #97) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:34 pm

His negative utility role also makes me think so.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1000 (isolation #98) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:40 pm

Good points there but I'm still hung up on the stuff from before.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1025 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:07 pm

Wisdom replaced out

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:49 pm

Read shifts recently:
Dunn scummier
IDR the others but I know more changed

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:50 pm

BTW we got 3 days

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:55 pm

Well that's even better, I'm reading BTD as town too.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:56 pm

I read it as I see it OK
You're not as scummy as say NC or Nos

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:07 pm

When I say iron is NU it's because he's basically ascetic.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:08 pm

Also looking back gerry might have been onto something when he said Dunn scumslipped
I wasn't a scum slip but opposing an ascetic claim is not very pro-town.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:12 pm

Oh
Well now iron feels scummier

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:14 pm

Thankfully even with my shifting reads I can still rely on two solid TRs
BTD and BATORU

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:15 pm

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:17 pm

ok that makes a bit more sense looking again

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:18 pm

In post 1049, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1048, Gamma Emerald wrote:ok that makes a bit more sense looking again
who are you talking to

I didn't understand pk's post now I do

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:19 pm

In post 1047, pisskop wrote::\ / In that case lets nolynch

the fuck is this

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:22 pm

TWO OF THE EXISTING WAGONS ARE SCUMREADS OF YOURS!
VOTE: pisskop
WHHHHYYYYY

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:24 pm

r u drunk

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:25 pm

texttospeak would make full words.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:30 pm

Why aren't you voting Sondam/NC

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:35 pm

2 3 man wagons
that's superb reasoning

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:38 pm

Either way NL helps scum.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:43 pm

If you believe dunn is town why are you still voting them

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:45 pm

OK that makes sense

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:57 pm

I am
You don't believe Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:04 pm

About what

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:11 pm

some of my posts are out ofc context because I was ninja'd

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:19 pm

Maybe. He's already claimed so we won't be risking outting a PR.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:21 pm

You claimed hated.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:24 pm

OK now THAT'S a scumslip
VOTE: Dunnstral

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:31 pm

In post 1036, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1034, Gamma Emerald wrote:When I say iron is NU it's because he's basically ascetic.
No he's not

he reflects spells back at people

That's different from being ascetic

Still don't understand how that works, by the way, because they won't explain it.

Giving iron shit for this is not fair
Exlain what the fuck is up with your role

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:48 pm

I saw it

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:57 pm

you only answered 1/3 of the question

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:58 pm

In post 1115, pisskop wrote:why are they trying to tie you two together? its a bad look.

The answer to this question is self-evident

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:03 pm

In post 1123, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1118, pisskop wrote:
I got it now, you meant them and me?

They're not? They're trying to die you to me?

And if they were trying to tie themself to me, how does that make me scum? Doesn't that make me town?

In post 1119, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1115, pisskop wrote:why are they trying to tie you two together? its a bad look.
The answer to this question is self-evident
Then vote Sondam?

No
FYPOV it is

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:05 pm

In post 1116, Gamma Emerald wrote:you only answered 1/3 of the question

In post 1113, pisskop wrote:what do you think of sondam?
of my positing your associations? or their insistence that I had to see you two as buddies?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:11 pm

In post 1131, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1128, Gamma Emerald wrote:No
FYPOV it is
What do you want me to say? I said I think he's scum. "Why did he do this scummy thing" it's because he's scum

It was more towards pk anyways

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:15 pm

Stop assuming what I'm saying jackass

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:19 pm

I'm saying hat I mean, you're deflecting the points

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:21 pm

I'm voting you because you are being vague about your role. Why would you do so as town?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:30 pm

Miller both times. The problem is you keep letting confusion set in about your abilities. Also, I don't see it a-wait a second.
I just realized my objection to more claims is unjustified.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:31 pm

My objection was that scum could kill them to remove their role from the game, but I don't think that's a problem unless roleblocks exist.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 1144, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1143, Gamma Emerald wrote:
My objection
was that scum could kill
them
to remove
their
role from the game, but I don't think
that's
a problem unless roleblocks exist.
Bolded things are undefined variables for all I know

What the fuck?
Why are you bolding these things?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:43 pm

OK

In post 1144, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1143, Gamma Emerald wrote:
My objection
was that scum could kill
them
to remove
their
role from the game, but I don't think
that's
a problem unless roleblocks exist.
Bolded things are undefined variables for all I know

My objection to compromise wagining Sondam (which I have a stupid reason too but you don't get to know that unless I determine it's OK to say so)
them = the spellholder
their = the person with the spell
that's = scum killing the holder of a valuable spell

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:15 pm

Because you are being strange in a scummy way.
If you have another spell it's not a bad idea to claim it. If you regard it as more valuable than your curse you can use it before the curse. IIRC you have the choice of powers in your arsenal.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:20 pm

Oh right, if you were an investigative it would be bad.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:22 pm

If you do not have a role that requires you to be alive the next day to make use of it, there's no reason not to claim.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:26 pm

OK thank you for saying...why are you saying scum has a RB?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 1156, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1149, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because you are being strange in a scummy way.
How is not claiming randomly strange "in a scummy way"

You were being unclear and it was getting in the way of discussion.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:45 pm

I've been pressuring you to explain WTF your spell deal is. I deemed it important to the greater discussion.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:09 am

She seems to be referring to the spell transfers.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:10 pm

Hey Sick!
Your predecessor claimed tracker. Can you confirm this?

Gamma Emerald · Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:35 pm

In post 1179, Sickofit1138 wrote:
In post 1177, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hey Sick!
Your predecessor claimed tracker. Can you confirm this?

Sadly I can not.

I'm gonna try my best to catch up everybody! I'm excited to play this game with you all!

k
It was meant to be a test to see if you read already

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:40 am

Yes the extra opinions on NC changed my mind.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:15 am

About the scumslip: he alluded to extra powers. I don't believe anyone starts with two spells.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:28 am

Because the mechanics involved make me think everyone starts with one.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:38 pm

The fact that everyone is forced to use powers makes me think everyone doesn't have a choice at first.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:01 pm

In post 1246, Sondam wrote:Can more people vote Pisskop. I actually think I'm more confident in that one than Dunn now.

~G

Maybe
I do scumread him

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:02 pm

VOTE: pisskop

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 1254, pisskop wrote:
In post 1252, Sondam wrote:
In post 1247, pisskop wrote:VOTE: sondam
Lol. That's all it took to vote off your 'biggest scumread'

~G
Youre the only one saying this. Can you stop flailing.

No, sweet deflection bud, I think the same thing.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:08 pm

In post 1259, pisskop wrote:
In post 1257, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1254, pisskop wrote:
In post 1252, Sondam wrote:
In post 1247, pisskop wrote:VOTE: sondam
Lol. That's all it took to vote off your 'biggest scumread'

~G
Youre the only one saying this. Can you stop flailing.
No, sweet deflection bud, I think the same thing.
???

You voted her once she suggests a lynch on you.
Reads as trying to avoid a lynch by pushing your counterwagon.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 1262, pisskop wrote:Who is my counterwagon?

Wow clueless.
It's Sondam.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:12 pm

In post 1265, pisskop wrote:
In post 1263, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1262, pisskop wrote:Who is my counterwagon?
Wow clueless.
It's Sondam.
That doesnt make sense.

how am I avoiding a lynch then?

Like I townread you, but you gotta start making some logic happen.

You know very few people oppose the wagon. It got to L-1 once IIRC.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:16 pm

IDGAF about your meta rn

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 1270, pisskop wrote:I assume you townread Son. why

Because of the way their wagon formed. I saw quite a bit of naked voting during my VCA of that wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:21 pm

Yes VCA can be done on wagons that haven't flipped.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 1282, pisskop wrote:So far you determined Im scum because Im pushing Sondam/Dunnstral/notchara. Youve determined this by using VCA, which isnt that good a method and cant be used with zero flips. Youve provided no other reasons.

Ive thought you were town all Day, and this isnt going to shake that. But youve clearly got a stick up your ass somewhere, judging by our other interactions. You take things literally, and you fail to recognize smarm. Where did you play before here? cuz they taught you bad.

No, it's not the VCA that makes me sr you, it's your lack of presence early game. Thanks for misinterpreting my argument entirely though.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 1283, drealmerz7 wrote:it's more effective if the wagon is on yourself, but it's still very doable and valid and should be done

you should be analyzing wagons at all times, how the build, who builds them, how they fall apart, stall, etc. it's all relevant and all helps paint a more accurate picture

and then you get a flip and you have all of that in your "notes" and it makes everything even more clear - if you're playing that way, and many do

I do when I feel like it, but I need to build meta-reads to be better so not doing it here very much in depth (more just in my head)

Pedit: I know you're talkng to GE, but, no, the VCA just supports the rest of the scum-read on you, it's not the leading factor, it's a supporting factor

This guy gets it.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:35 pm

I believe I said things about individuals votes at some points in my ISO. BTD's vote is the most towny, everyone else is at null town to scummy for their votes, and the null town was Dunn, who I'm less confident in being town rn.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:41 pm

In post 1287, Gamma Emerald wrote:I believe I said things about individuals votes at some points in my ISO. BTD's vote is the most towny, everyone else is at null town to scummy for their votes, and the null town was
Dunn, who I'm less confident in being town rn
.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:18 am

Subscribe to the topic in your hydra

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:03 am

Pisskop didn't really seem to be trying to gamesolve early game.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:22 am

In post 276, pisskop wrote:i dont really know the vc, but i heard

fire
Elsa
sondam

non of which id say were wasted wagons atm

Not really expressing any thoughts beyond "I'd wagon these"

In post 1021, pisskop wrote:
In post 970, Nahdia wrote:
Most users of magic reject modern technology. Members of the Felix Family are the major exception; many modern conveniences stem from the imaginations of inventors from the Felix Family.

-Excerpt from
The Fifteen Families
by Frederick Kendall
Votecount 1.10

Sondam (3):
Dunnstral, BTD6_Maker, pisskop

Not Chara (3):
Fire Assassin, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu

Wisdom (2):
Sondam, drealmerz7

Nosferatu (1):
Prism

Gamma Emerald (1):
ironstove

drealmerz (1):
Wisdom

Dunnstral (1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
BATORU

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2016-11-30 13:05:00).

Seeking a replacement for Wisdom.
oh pooes NC is a wagon now.

Id really prefer dunn/drealer/sond but okays.

Wisdom. what are u doing. NC too. Lets stop preening on vanity wagons

Why is your reaction to a wagon on one of your scumreads so muted?

In post 1038, pisskop wrote:
In post 1035, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also looking back gerry might have been onto something when he said Dunn scumslipped
I wasn't a scum slip but opposing an ascetic claim is not very pro-town.
We can lynch it. 2 competing 3man wagons is kind of weak.

At this point Dunnstral was at two votes IIRC. I can understand not being sure, but it feels scummy anyways because scum don't have to analyze everything.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:37 am

In post 1321, pisskop wrote:
In post 1319, Gamma Emerald wrote:At this point Dunnstral was at two votes IIRC. I can understand not being sure, but it feels scummy anyways because scum don't have to analyze everything.
What didnt I analyze? If I dont do preflips, and the content of the game is subpar, where do I go other than force wagons onto my own scumreads and bargin out my vote for reactions?

You had two stated srs being the leading wagons

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:45 am

In post 1326, ironstove wrote:1 Day left, can we get the pisscop lynch to go through?

Compare ISOs of him and sondam, I think pisskop looks much worse.

Also his statement:

In post 1207, pisskop wrote:We need wagons. Dunn, NC, or Sondam pls
Really strange for making this because if you look at the VC directly above it:

In post 1200, Nahdia wrote:
The Vex Family is notably the smallest of still surviving families. They are a close-knit and secretive group, leading to some referring to their family as a hereditary cult.

-Excerpt from
The Fifteen Families
by Frederick Kendall
Votecount 1.12

Dunnstral (3):
pisskop, Gamma Emerald, drealmerz7

Sondam (3):
Dunnstral, BTD6_Maker, ironstove

Not Chara (2):
Fire Assassin, Nosferatu

pisskop (1):
Sondam

Nosferatu (1):
Prism

drealmerz (1):
Sickofit1138

Gamma Emerald (1):
Not Chara

Not Voting (1):
BATORU

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:
(expired on 2016-12-01 13:05:00).

BATORU & Prism have been prodded.
He makes no comment on the bizarre distribution of votes if he his scum team is authentic, like a real town player needs to look at this for a second and question how it makes a lick of sense that those three are scum together, but this guy doesn't miss a beat. I think he's just playing as lazy/low-effort scum, and I'd like to see him pushed as a lynch today.

gfdi
also explain your role

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:47 am

In post 1328, ironstove wrote:I want to note how suspicious BTD looks in 1323 as trying to bus his partner if pisskop flips mafia.

BTD, please stop talking about how suspicious pisskop looks and put your on him. Get on the wagon early and maybe I'll town read you tomorrow instead of you displaying this middle of the road behavior waiting to see if this wagon actually picks up enough steam so you can take credit for the hammer.

He asked for a VC. He probably wanted to know where the votes were at.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:50 am

In post 1332, ironstove wrote:
In post 1327, Gamma Emerald wrote: gfdi
also explain your role
GFDI?

And no. Why would I? Explain why it's a +EV play for me to give so much information? It's sus as hell that you're trying to fish for info. I want you to explain what the benefit is for town's win condition.

How about the fact I can't tell how your role would be balanced.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:54 am

Also pk already explained that his reads are independent.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:56 am

In post 1337, ironstove wrote:
In post 1334, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1332, ironstove wrote:
In post 1327, Gamma Emerald wrote: gfdi
also explain your role
GFDI?

And no. Why would I? Explain why it's a +EV play for me to give so much information? It's sus as hell that you're trying to fish for info. I want you to explain what the benefit is for town's win condition.
How about the fact I can't tell how your role would be balanced.
You're actually not answering my question. I don't care what you believe or don't believe, I'm asking you why me explaining it to you is important to town's win condition.

Why aren't you answering this question?

I want to know:
What happens to spells that are reflected?
How is your ability transmitted?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:03 pm

In post 1340, ironstove wrote:
In post 1338, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1337, ironstove wrote:
In post 1334, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1332, ironstove wrote:
In post 1327, Gamma Emerald wrote: gfdi
also explain your role
GFDI?

And no. Why would I? Explain why it's a +EV play for me to give so much information? It's sus as hell that you're trying to fish for info. I want you to explain what the benefit is for town's win condition.
How about the fact I can't tell how your role would be balanced.
You're actually not answering my question. I don't care what you believe or don't believe, I'm asking you why me explaining it to you is important to town's win condition.

Why aren't you answering this question?
I want to know:
What happens to spells that are reflected?
How is your ability transmitted?
I already know what you're asking me, I'm asking you why this information helps town? Can you please explain this to me and I will examine your answer and determine if your motivation is town centered, because right now it just looks like you're scum desperately trying to find information about me, I think the only people that would be afraid of the mechanics of a spell like mine are scum. Do you disagree? I'm sure you will say you do, and when you do, please explain to me why a town player would ever be concerned about the specific mechanics of my role.

It helps town determine whether it's worth it to target you with their abilities.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:07 pm

In post 1342, ironstove wrote:I've asked you multiple times to name 1 town benefit to me divulging more information than I already have that is town motivated, and you've dodged every single time, you are scum, aren't you?

Gamma, are you just asking me over and over for information because you're mafia?

I'm asking you because I don't know what the fuck your role does. Does it disable you from getting spells? Does it make spells targeting you fail? Do spells that target you simply disappear? Only you know this.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:11 pm

OK
VOTE: ironstove

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 1359, ironstove wrote:
In post 1356, pisskop wrote:piss isnt voting you.
No, but you clearly wanted to have me lynched earlier when I didn't give you information, and you're both buddying up right now.

Why are you defending gamma and speaking for him, pisskop? Is he your strong town read?

@Gamma, I still want you to answer to the post, pisskop answering for you doesn't count FMPOV.

You said the only way to get information about your role was your death. I took the offer.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 1365, ironstove wrote:Oh Wow, gamma just ran away. Or he's just sitting right now at his keyboard trying to figure out what kind of post it is that he can write up to get himself out of the hole he just dug himself into.

I'm in other games jackass!

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:01 pm

In post 7, Dunnstral wrote:Wayward curse makes me hated needing 1 less vote to be lynched

And I have to pass it on at the first opportunity

And it doesn't work in lylo

OK that's something I never noticed: he's forced to transfer it first chance he gets
Pretty much confirms you can only use one spell per night

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:26 pm

In post 1378, ironstove wrote:Let me make it clear, so you are telling me that you DO NOT THINK THAT SOMEONE SUDDENLY VOTING IN-LINE WITH THEIR STRONG SCUM READ IS NOT SCUMMY OR BIZARRE BEHAVIOR? IS THAT CORRECT FA?

YOU CAN ANSWER THIS AFTER GAMMA POSTS.

Still waiting on gamma to post, the kid tries to pressure me then runs away when I ask him a real question pointing out his scummy behavior.

Actually, I'm totally fine with lynching gamma over pisskop

VOTE: Gamma

OK piss off. I had trouble getting to page 56 so I couldn't respond to anything here until now.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:29 pm

In post 1383, ironstove wrote:
In post 1368, ironstove wrote:
In post 1364, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1359, ironstove wrote:
In post 1356, pisskop wrote:piss isnt voting you.
No, but you clearly wanted to have me lynched earlier when I didn't give you information, and you're both buddying up right now.

Why are you defending gamma and speaking for him, pisskop? Is he your strong town read?

@Gamma, I still want you to answer to the post, pisskop answering for you doesn't count FMPOV.
You said the only way to get information about your role was your death. I took the offer.
Yea, that's a terrible response. So you want the information so badly that you're going to forgo lynching your strongest scum read? Am I understanding this correctly? Just confirm that for me so I can be sure, gamma.
REQUOTING THIS FOR GAMMA ON THE LATEST PAGE. GAMMA PLEAS RESPOND.

I think you are scum trying to use a dubious claim to explain away interference with spells later. That's what I think right now. Also, I don't really care about wagon composition on my scumreads.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 1396, pisskop wrote:But nadhia and you are still here.

Ive never been a binding player. I dont have the social requirements to be.

OK he's glad the mod is here

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:39 pm

Wait, that confuses me. Spells are compulsive, but the phrasology makes me think you can hold onto abilities.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:36 pm

VOTE: pisskop
As much as I'd love to wring a hardclaim out that scumfuck ironstove, it's not happening.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:47 pm

Missed the fact we have an extra day, panicked because of the older VCs as I was looking through the flavor.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:05 am

I think I'd rather wait until I can explain my reasoning before I vote Prism.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:40 am

In post 1440, pisskop wrote:stop.

othet reads, opinion of sond pkz.

ee need some kind of anchor for your frame of reference

Look up

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:17 am

And yet you don't try to add anything.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:25 am

K
VOTE: Not Chara

Theoretical vote on ironstove

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:24 am

Everyone's a PR I believe.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:27 am

In post 1458, Not Chara wrote:
In post 1457, Gamma Emerald wrote:Everyone's a PR I believe.
everyone has spells.

You have a permanent ability then?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:58 am

I'll be honest here, I'm defending Sondam mostly cuz I want to piss them off with my ability Night 1. I'll actually form a read on them tomorrow k?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:07 pm

Skim the last 10-20 pages and tell us who you would wagon please

Gamma Emerald · Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:21 pm

In post 1471, BATORU wrote:Fire had good points on iron and I was doubting my townread until he came through with 1188-1190 which is pretty much how I felt at that point.

This seems to indicate you sr me.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:01 am

Might as well claim, afterwards I'll reread to get a sense of Sondam's alignment
From what my spell says it looks like my ability is very close to pinger from that one game.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:05 am

Sondam looks towny, some of their content is a little iffy, but I like some of their pushes.
I could compromise on drealmerz.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:00 am

I townread Sondam but I feel that their flip may help sort the game so I'll vote there.
VOTE: Sondam

Gamma Emerald · Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:37 am

SONDAM CLAIM
IF SONDAM IS PR ILL SELFVOTE