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Fuck these mind games alreadyIn post 22, mastina wrote:Hey.
VOTE: Nachomamma8.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with Nacho.
Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.
I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.
I refuse to believe he allowed both me and Nacho to be town.
So lynch me, lynch Nacho, doesn't matter who you lynch first but Nacho is scum.
Guaranteed.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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I'm actually going to argue the fact that if both of you are steller scums, he'd make sure both are town purely for the fact that he'd know you'd be at each others throats.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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Take a step back and realize that Pine can use emotional ties to make it seem impossible that he wouldn't pick either of you if ya'll were that close, ergo, he set up D1 and D2 mislynches in that respect.
Even if it doesn't end up being mislynches, there will be tonnes of noise created by you two arguing.
P-Edit: Pine is this the Mastin you told me about?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Also I'm just going to lay it out there, as soon as ya'll say you're not with Pine, I'm just looking at it like distancing. It doesn't have to be announced that you're not on Pine's team, if town it's self-evident.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Damn..that's actually a really bad idea.In post 41, Pine wrote:Well, you'll have to mislynch all these schmucks for me in order to get there, mmkay?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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This is the lynch pool of the day considering Pine got to draft players and these were the pre-ins
Secret Agent Jin
BTD6_MAKER
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
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Fate“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Hey Mastin fun fact, I got a nom for a team scum game with Pine in my first game on this site.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69088 (I'm blawb who signed under /Gin and then took over the hydra D2)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69768 This time I'm IC and Pine was scum, Pine won
I have an ongoing game I can't report yet
This is my 4th game with Pine and he's scum this game, so yeah that's my player history with Pine“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Hey Pine, you think we would have won the Hunger Games if it wasn't for those two strongmans?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Nacho/Mastin/Pine/4th scum or no? scum team and Mastin/nacho pulls an epic distancing play at the beginning of the game.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
"Gin, you are so charismatic it's scary." -nancy-
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Also going under the pretense that you're town.
Nacho lynched D1 revealed town
Mastin killed N1 (WIFOM for not killing defacto mislynch)
Now we're at D2 and we can magically trust that fate is town because you two died?
The theory doesn't make sense at all and I don't see why playing the game normal would be less beneficial than this crackpot theory you got going on.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Did you just say these two were on the same team?In post 55, drealmerz7 wrote:pine made a huge mistake letting nacho and prism team up I think“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 80, mastina wrote:
Because this game is explicitly not normal.In post 75, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I don't see why playing the game normal would be less beneficial than this crackpot theory you got going on.
Pine got to control his scumteam.
Assuming he just used random.org to roll the die for his scumteam is an inherently flawed and faulty assumption.
Maybe for a third pick, I can see him POSSIBLY doing that. He'd have two players he really wanted scum and/or two players he really didn't want camn making town, so after that it becomes possible in theory for his last, third, pick to be random. But even there I'm being extra-generous. The most likely thing for Pine to do is to pick each member individually, most likely because he knows of them from past experience.
He had three chances to pick me; he did not.
That tells me a lot about the setup he'd go for right then and there. (Keeping in mind camn wouldn't have picked me as town because she doesn't know me.)
So yes.
I am playing non-randomly. I am making non-random assumptions. Because this game is, explicitly, non-random. As a result, I am assuming Pine picked players he is familiar with and would trust to carry the game. I also assumed he would pick players he'd want to deny the town from having in their grasp. Yet I also know that camn has at least vaguely similar experiences to Pine in regards to the most major of the players here: Fate and Nacho.
Ergo, one is scum because Pine got first dibs on the draft and would have selected one of them...
...And the other is town because camn would have selected one of them as her first pick for town.
And the rest of the scumteam is made up of other such players Pine knows of and would trust.
Aeronaut pinged as a possibility, and so did you. Your actions thusfar in the game have only served to solidify this.
So you're telling me you scum read me for not having any knowledge of the history between Pine and his other compatriots and then also not agreeing with your theory when:
1) From my perspective, by doing this PoE from the start, you allow easy mislynches and disallow people to form reads on players which isn't helpful later game
2) Pine is manipulative and if I can think to make all the player's he's gone way back with as town so they WIFOM lynch each other, I'd do it and I don't doubt he would either.
I just don't think you're thinking clearly here. It doesn't matter who Pine talks to because it's NAI. You have to realize that if Pine could pick the scum team, that means he's picking the players who he thinks could work together as their own unit, regardless if Pine himself was in the game or not.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Not going to lie (that's what I'd be saying if I was lying lmao)In post 83, mastina wrote:Like, I've never played a game with TheRealGin-N-Tonic before.
But.
He looks like obvscum.
So I'm pretty sure. He's just actually scum, and that this isn't merely a playstyle thingy here.
What you just said is my town tell“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Twas a question, not a declaration, simply asking for confirmation before I possibly cast damnation.In post 82, Prism wrote:
I question the intent of this post. I didn't give the post link in my quote. You found the original post, where it clearly speculates a possible draft.TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Did you just say these two were on the same team?In post 55, drealmerz7 wrote:pine made a huge mistake letting nacho and prism team up I think
VOTE: Gin N Tonic“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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If I had a post-restriction of talking in poetry I would die of happiness because oh my god can I write some badass lines“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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No I mean it's just cute that you think I'm scum. When I tell you I got nommed for a scummy award, it's because you wouldn't even think it was possible that I was scum, if I was scum this game. Especially when I haven't played with you as town, when you can't tell the difference, you're pretty much fucked.
I think I deserve a flash wagon“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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It's quite simple what we do with mastin. We wait for her to get Night Killed.
It's pretty much self evident at this point that if Mastin is actually town, she'll be the strongest voice to listen to and the scum team will have to kill her early to gain an advantage.
If town, scum have to balance "do we keep her alive to frame her off of this" or "just kill immediately to not deal with it?" situation that I actually think is worth the stress to push.
If scum, well you'll eventually crack but at this point I'm leaning the former over the latter.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Okay can I formally request you shut the fuck up about set up guessing? Start pointing out how scummy shit people said, mind you not relating to thinking your theorycraft isn't worth the time (it isn't, I'm thinking its more ego related at this point).
Although it's great to say this whole thing how you know Pine so well, in the end it's all seriously noise and continued use of it without actually scum hunting leads to the conclusion that you used it as a smokescreen to get a town read and push an agenda. Like seriously, you fall under an anecdotal fallacy and I'm not touching that.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Also, since some of ya'll dont know me; I prefer to go by "Gin" when talked about me“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Who this at?In post 250, drealmerz7 wrote:which is exactly why you're scum, but, hey, I'm done pushing you for now
ppl can agree or not, of course“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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In post 263, mastina wrote:Fuck your claim of being able to do this and recognize that *I* am the one who actually can. Pine was one of my first, and closest friends, and bitter rivals, and nobody knows how he operates better than I do. You lack the game experience and you lack the personal connection. I have both. That's not arrogance speaking. That's just pure simple fact. I have the most games with Pine of any player. I have the most personal connection to Pine of any player.
Looks like I was rightIn post 244, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm thinking its more ego related at this point“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Also I asked for a flashwagon on me and then people vote you so like, what gives?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Hey Camn, thought you said Pine was a tree stump, so why is his vote being used?In post 209, camn wrote:drealmerz7 --------- 3 ( Vaxkiller, Aeronaut, pisskop, Pine ) L- 4
3 ( Vaxkiller, Aeronaut, pisskop, Pine ) L- 4“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Monokuma, do you have a sense of humor?
Whenever I do a reads list I like making funny names and I want to make sure you won't take it personal if I make a pun“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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You are my favorite person in this game right nowIn post 294, Monokuma wrote:
What an insult!!!!! We're taking it personal that you don't think we have a sense of humour!!!!! BeIn post 292, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Monokuma, do you have a sense of humor?
Whenever I do a reads list I like making funny names and I want to make sure you won't take it personal if I make a punclawslook at us! I can'tbearto think we haven't been making it clear as crystal...honey, just who do you think you're talking to?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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You're doing it to improve the playerbase in general, if I'm correct in your logic, I can relate it to a problem I had on my home site(why I left) in which there were about 5-7 players considered power players and the rest didn't do much besides just wait for the power players to say something.In post 298, mastina wrote:
Almost.In post 236, drealmerz7 wrote:so you're here to help, but, we've got to do it alone?
Think of it as...being a mentor who knows the answer, and can give it to the student, but who knows that just telling the student won't make them understand. The best way for the student to comprehend is to be given the path, and then work their way through it.
Think of it this way.
As a teacher I could tell you:
X + 1 = 4.
X + 1 - 1 = 4 - 1
X = 3.
This explains the process step by step...but the student might not accept the lesson.
Or, I could tell you:
"X + 1 = 4.
X is 3. Now, how did I know that?"
And suddenly the student is forced to work their way through it and figure that out. One teaches more than the other. And is therefore more useful than the other. So yes. I'm here to help. I will give you the answers. When you struggle, I will even give you clues as to the process. When continuing to struggle, I will make those clues continuously more explicit. But my expectation of you is always that you are meant to figure out the process on your own.
In the context of a mafia game, this is more than just me being an IC in a non-newbie game. It serves a distinct purpose beyond that, but for that, I'll leave it to you to figure out what the motivation behind my actions are. (No, it's not that as scum I'm incapable of generating my own reasoning. I'll tell you that. Now figure out what it actually is.)“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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My semester starts Monday, where can I go buy this textbook and how much is it?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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VOTE: NachoDaddy
When I get to Mastin in my reads list, it'll explain why I'm willing to listen to her at this point“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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01. Secret Agent JinSpoiler: The Other Less Cool Jin
Yeah this are going to take me awhile to do“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Provide a link to a game where I'm more valuable to you as town if you're scum cuz you blatantly used me like a rag doll to get a scum win and I was an IC.
I doubt you'll be able to provide such help tho as that scenario probably never actually happened.
Also keep me alive till at least D4, after that you can kill me but at least give till then BB“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=21228In post 148, Fate wrote:I dont know who this Pine guy is and we have zero history so this speculation that I was drafted by him is scum or just wrong
Maybe I'll read the same at some point
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19615
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=19355
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=18662
Okay this is part of my read on Fate and I just wanted to point out they actually do have history together“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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03. TheRealGin-N-TonicSpoiler: The Town Drunk
04. Nachomamma8Spoiler: NachoDaddy
05. FateSpoiler: Karma“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Votes made out of speculation involving host confirmed WIFOM are not votes based on a player's scumminess in the thread but as an excuse to park a vote.In post 434, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Players that it seems like i havent seen in a bit: BTD6, Gin, Kop, Mastina. This just might be me but one name does stand out from those, Gin. If i recall earlier in the thread someone brought up that Gin played a great scum game with Pine recently and i was in that game. They rampaged pretty hard, that is actually the reason for this game. Camn was so upset she needed revenge. That tells me that A) Gin and Pine would work great together and B) Gin would be the best pick for scum also because we would expect Pine to pick him so we assume he didnt based on that but our assumptions are why Pine picked him.
VOTE: Gin“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Care to explain why?In post 456, Monokuma wrote:No, we don't care which one is removed first.“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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It was cute at first but now I'm getting the vibe that you're being facetious as ruse“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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Damn, your posts are a bitch to read for actual meaning but you actually do.
I do gotta ask, can you put in spoilers layman speak what your posts mean?“To be is to do”—Socrates. “To do is to be”—Jean-Paul Sartre. “Do be do be do”—Frank Sinatra.
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