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I approve.In post 20, Pine wrote:
Mastin, I respect your reasoning on how Pine would draft, but I also feel like Pine's trying to fuck with us. Your strong reaction to not being picked and assumption that nacho MUST be scum just makes me think that it could have easily been done on purpose like that, to get you two at each other throats.In post 22, mastina wrote:Hey.
VOTE: Nachomamma8.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with Nacho.
Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.
I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.
I refuse to believe he allowed both me and Nacho to be town.
So lynch me, lynch Nacho, doesn't matter who you lynch first but Nacho is scum.
Guaranteed.
Granted I haven't seen Nacho's first impressions on it yet so maybe that will change my mind; I was trying to peace together the same thing you were though after having Pine in a few of my modded games, and I realized that while it's valid, Pine is also someone who strikes me as good at making you think what he wants you to think.
although this post kind of makes me uncomfy re: nacho and mastin being different alignments.In post 24, Pine wrote:And honestly, if I could've had both of you, it would've made me hard as a rock.
VOTE: DrealmerzIn post 31, drealmerz7 wrote:pine, you're going to be so fucking sorry you didn't pick me to be on your team...sooooo fucking sorry...
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Why?In post 83, mastina wrote:Like, I've never played a game with TheRealGin-N-Tonic before.
But.
He looks like obvscum.
So I'm pretty sure. He's just actually scum, and that this isn't merely a playstyle thingy here.
Ok, well how are we expected to ever do anything with your read of him if you're not going to give us a reason why? That's beneficial to nobody.In post 108, mastina wrote:
Yes, I can.In post 85, Prism wrote:Can you explain why he is obvscum, without using the point I just made?
No, I won't.
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Ok, I agree that it's terrible, but the thing is that there's not a scum motivation to it. Where do you see one?In post 141, SirCakez wrote:ok I read up
VOTE: mastina
The stuff she's pushing is terrible. We have literally no clue of how Pine picked up his players, so this pushing to lynch Nacho based on "I think Pine would pick him as scum" is scummy af.
I think the Real Gin N Tonic (mainly because of 131) and dreal are town. No one else stuck out to me.
@dreal it was 5-second Rule
I mean... youIn post 150, Monokuma wrote:
that's not the worst part though! theworst partis that i can't even READ ANYONE based on their contributions about the wifom game.could.
Yeah.In post 153, Monokuma wrote:
This is a pretty shortsighted conclusion coming from you!In post 48, mastina wrote:Knowing this, I can say: pisskop, SirCakez, Prism, and BTD6_maker are all basically conftown. They haven't played with Pine recently as far as I know, and they're too young to have played with Pine in his glory days.
There could definitely be some truth to some of the things Mastina is saying, but their assertion that every player that is newer to the site is auto conftown is absolute rubbish.
Why? Because Pine knows we would of thought that and it's all WIFOM.
I feel like I'm talking to satin/ a game show host. You're right, though.In post 156, Monokuma wrote:Big news, kiddies! Aeronaut has been upgraded from the little tykes table to the GROWN UP table. Welcome, Aeronaut. You're bigger than a big kid now! You're among the few with brains big enough to realize that the entire point to this game is Pine screwing with us. Wow! Amazing revelation! You deserve a prize! Yes, we will give you a PRIZE! The prize is... wait for it... we will continue to never sign our posts! Wow! Amazing! Shocking! Dazzling! Absolutely Earth shattering! The Earth has been literally (figuratively) shattered! It's in fragments! It's like a beautiful scene of ice flows in Antarctica, except instead of fragments of ice drifting through the freezing ocean, it's fragments of the Earth drifting through the freezing (kind of) vacuum of space! And it's all because of you! Good job!
That's actually probably a smart idea. Idk if I will, though.This though...
is interesting! Any scum worth their salt knows that when you get confirmed as mafia, youAeronaut wrote:
although this post kind of makes me uncomfy re: nacho and mastin being different alignments.In post 24, Pine wrote:And honestly, if I could've had both of you, it would've made me hard as a rock.Otherwise you risk dropping associative left and right and front and center and up and down and other directions, ones that you pitiful creatures that exist only in three dimensions can scarcely even CONCEIVE of! I would have brought in a man in a lab coat to pretend to be a scientist and explain that further, but I'm a bear; which is a scientist's natural predator!shut the hell up!
But Pinehasto post! They have to! Shocking! That means Pine is probably on his toes about what he says and what the potential meanings are. That means Pine is going to interact both with his partners and with town. Do you think you can tell what's in jest from what's genuine? That presumes that some of what he says IS genuine! We're not so sure... in fact, we would suggest entirely ignoring everything Pine says! Moving on...
oh shiiiiiit
How nice! Do you also intentionally not react when your good buddies from your home site vote you?SirCakez wrote:Monokuma you remind me of some people from my home site2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Well, besides his entrance, not really. I also don't really see it as auto-town either though. I see it as something he'd do in almost any scenario.In post 166, Monokuma wrote:
You don't agree? The guy's a little teddy toothlessly gnawing at the ankles of big bad mastina! And, I've got a soft spot in my already soft-and-fluffy heart for that sort!In post 165, Aeronaut wrote:Why do you think Dreal is town?
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Mastina is a definitely name that is synonymous with long-winded.In post 187, Secret Agent Jin wrote:There is only a few people here that i have played games with, one of them being Dreal. If anyone else posted like Dreal has been i would look at those posts as a bit scummy but, i mean really, it is just Dreal being Dreal so i take whatever he says with a grain of salt but that can only last for so long.
I am attempting to get a feel of the players since this is the first time i have played with a majority of you all. Two questions arise for me.
1) Normally i would have a townlean toward Mastina because of the content she produced early but this is camn's revenge and it seems nothing is normal. My question: Does Mastina post these analytical posts a high majority of the time no matter alignment or is this a rare thing?
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Oh.In post 216, Monokuma wrote:In post 115, BTD6_maker wrote:VOTE: Mastina
It seems like you have played a lot of games with Pine. (I am completely ignoring posts made by Pine). At this early stage I would consider you marginally more likely to be scum.
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So if you do something that looks like your scumgame, that's just your town game? Cool, I'll keep that in mindIn post 224, mastina wrote:
Case'n'point that you don't know me.In post 126, drealmerz7 wrote:it's unfortunate your scum game isn't as refined, you should play more
My scumgame is the most refined of any player on mafiascum. There's a damn good reason I was nominated for Don Corelone on consecutive years. (I lost both times, but I was nommed all the same.) You'll never find a player more self-conscious about their own meta than me. You'll never see a player who better knows what she can do, what she can't do, what she does and can't replicate/hide as an alignment, and what she does that can be replicated/hidden as an alignment*.
There's a reason why I take elements from my scumgame when playing town. No seriously. I deliberately take elements from my scumgame into my towngame. Rather than vice-versa. You know why I take elements from my scumgame into my towngame, rather than elements of my towngame into my scumgame? Because my scumgame needs nothing to improve; my towngame needs desperately to improve.
Mastin, tell me honestly; do you think that Pine looked at this playerlist and blatantly picked only people were "older" players?
Or Aeronaut, or Nacho.where do you think I should direct them? TRGNT, eh?
Quite the opposite. Fuck focusing on Btd6, Fate, Monokuma, pisskop, Prism, SirCakez, or Vaxkiller. All that'll do is serve to demonstrate what we already know: you're town, they're town, your efforts there would be town-town, and thus a waste of time.anywhere but you, I'm sure2023 W/L | 1-0-
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And? I'm pretty sure that's what most of this game thinks, since it's you know, common sense.In post 231, mastina wrote:
Huh. Weird. I swear I've heard this reasoning before.In post 149, Aeronaut wrote:Mastin, I respect your reasoning on how Pine would draft, but I also feel like Pine's trying to fuck with us. Your strong reaction to not being picked and assumption that nacho MUST be scum just makes me think that it could have easily been done on purpose like that, to get you two at each other throats.
Oh yeah. That's because I have.In post 27, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm actually going to argue the fact that if both of you are steller scums, he'd make sure both are town purely for the fact that he'd know you'd be at each others throats.
Yep, I'm the only one who thinks we shouldn't let a game designed to fuck with us fuck with us, obviously. That's why nacho is the leading wagon, right?Also justsayin this was a scumpost through-and-through.
The first section echoing TheRealGin-N-Tonic. That section having been bad in the first place. Writing off Pine's choices as unreadable, when the whole fucking point of this game is outguessing Pine. (Literally this game is outguess Pine: the game. That's the whole fucking theme of the game, and Aeronaut is telling usnotto do that, to treat this game as if it were normal...when that's exactly what Pine would want.) Saying Pine is unpredictable. The whole Nacho/mastina bit. And most of all, the vote on drealmerz, who is basically the most obvtown of the players who have history with Pine.
Ok, well I don't know if you've played the game of mafia before, but usually the way to lynch someone isn't by telling everyone "Figure out the reasons for yourself" because as you said, most players are bad and they won't.In post 233, mastina wrote:
Because it's the case.In post 155, Aeronaut wrote:Why?
By trying to figure out the read on your own.Ok, well how are we expected to ever do anything with your read of him if you're not going to give us a reason why?
And from this, forming your own read.
And viewing by your own lens.
And reflecting by that.
You know, standard stuff that you'd have to do anyway?
This actually, is the definition of WIFOM. Pine wouldn't do WIFOM because he thinks we'd think he'd do WIFOM but he wouldn't do that because...Ergo, in this game, Pine knows that people are going to assume that he made wifomy choices. Yet, wifomy choices are suboptimal for him: they lack team synergy and they lack strength of a scumgame. So, by making wifomy choices, Pine not only would be doing what the town expects of him, he would also be leaving himself with a much, much weaker scumbase.
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I'm over it mastina. If you feel like giving any scum reads this game, go ahead! Otherwise, your reminiscing about outdated games isn't helping anyone. It's great that you had fun with pine what three years ago, but now is now and in case you didn't notice, this game wasn't made for you.
Having said that, I'm very certain mastina is town, here. Town who is going to ego their way around and be wrong, but pretty obviously town. People on the mastin wagon are fooling themselves if they think mastin comes in here and pulls this crazy bullshit.
VOTE: Sircakes
SC and Drealz are both on that wagon, but bear is kind of right, drealz interactions with mastin are becoming more and more obvious town.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Ok, can you lay out what you actually think is scum about mastina? She's being silly, but there's definitely no scum motivation in it.In post 372, SirCakez wrote:please let that dayvig shot be real2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Piss = townIn post 368, pisskop wrote:"Oh gee, mastin is providing some content. Pisskop is shitposting and several people are being worthless, lets shoot content"
So one of BTD6 is probably scum, and one is probably town.In post 385, Pine wrote:Oh, I agree, I'd be careful with him. He's mostly reputation, and is just as fallible as anyone, but don't back off - his counterattacks can be fierce.
Maybe pressure BTD6 or Sir Cakez a bit. Just make sure it doesn't come off as bullying the lurkers.
Curious how mastina reacts to this, since she's the all-powerful pine-whisperer.
I don't think that's why Mastina is voting Nacho.In post 388, Vaxkiller wrote:Voting nacho is just distracting from the game. He is not going to post any faster.
I disagree.Dreals talking to pine makes me thing he is trying way to hard to make it seem like somthing only someone who is town would ahve the balls to do... but it just comes off scummy.
I feel as if nacho!scum could have very easily pushed the opposite narrative as mastina, and tried to push it back on them instead of doing what he's doing here and trying to pull them out of their fixation and onto actual scum hunting. E.g Nacho is p clearly town in this post.In post 394, Nachomamma8 wrote:
First and most important thing. You're wrong. You are wrong. You are wrong.In post 22, mastina wrote:Hey.
VOTE: Nachomamma8.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with Nacho.
Like. If he flips town POWER lynch me here.
I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.
I refuse to believe he allowed both me and Nacho to be town.
So lynch me, lynch Nacho, doesn't matter who you lynch first but Nacho is scum.
Guaranteed.
I know that this probably won't do anything to get you off the path because my god you are stubborn when you get your mind set on something and your mind is very obviously set here, but you are wrong.
A good portion of winning the game or losing the game depends on you realizing that you are wrong and backing off and working with me; I can already tell that you're probably town, and you will soon learn that I am town when all of your attempts to lynch me disintegrate into dust over and over again (whether I was camn's first pick or her last pick there is no way in hell that I am letting her down this game and me not being scum shows that Pine either doesn't respect my scum game or I was Camn's first pick in which case there's the added bonus of teaching Pine some respect while I'm at it). While you are going down this completely incorrect path, your head isn't going to be in the game which means that a slot that should be a very strong town player becomes a slot that is average to useless and while it would be fun to dance with you because it's been oh so long since we've danced together, I'm here for business and not pleasure.
Again, I don't expect you to listen to me; I expect that I'm a child in a zombie apocalypse world begging his father to please listen to please come back to please stop eating people's brains, but if there's some small piece of the mastina I know and love in there then please read my posts and hear what I have to say; I know there's a Nacho is scum devil sitting on your shoulder and constantly whispering in your ear but please silence him long enough to give me a proper chance so that you and I can break the game and teach Pine some respect for deciding that he could win without drafting either of us in his corner.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Well what exactly did you think was "warm and fuzzy" specifically that's changed in your mind?In post 429, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm trying to give everything another look through. Why? I was re-reading mastina's posts and is not giving me the same warm and fuzzy's I felt the first time reading it.
All at once.Did Pine get to choose his picks all at once, or were turns taken?
I can't imagine he wouldn't.In post 430, Vaxkiller wrote:That said I can't imagine Pine would choose people that are silent coasters
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Do you have other reads, and is this read based on setup spec, or just grudge shit?In post 432, Fate wrote:Nacho has COMPLETELY SKIRTED THE ISSUE OF ME and the top picks for scum out of this playerlist
Not even so much as a handwave "nah Pine wouldnt pick Fate cause hed get too much scrutiny and heat"
I backed down from my gut in camn's apartment and let scumcho coast until a surprise endgame
NOT AGAIN
NEVER AGAIN
VOTE: NACHOMAMMA8
Alright, well I wouldn't really call it a death tunnel, just more of you not moving your vote for ten or so pages.In post 433, Vaxkiller wrote: I know I said I was going to revisit my death tunnel on dreal, but I cant find anything that makes me want to move my vote.
Mastina looks better as the day goes on, but I still question those earlier comments, and I don't have the same super town feeling. more of a town-lite (and liek all lite beers, does not leave me satisfied)
Can you tell me what exactly you feel is scummy about Drealz posting? Besides his original intro post, there's nothing there that looks remotely town motivated, so I'm curious where exactly your head it at.
Do you have any reason to suspect him besides lurking and setup speccing? Or anyone else at this point?In post 434, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Players that it seems like i havent seen in a bit: BTD6, Gin, Kop, Mastina. This just might be me but one name does stand out from those, Gin. If i recall earlier in the thread someone brought up that Gin played a great scum game with Pine recently and i was in that game. They rampaged pretty hard, that is actually the reason for this game. Camn was so upset she needed revenge. That tells me that A) Gin and Pine would work great together and B) Gin would be the best pick for scum also because we would expect Pine to pick him so we assume he didnt based on that but our assumptions are why Pine picked him.
VOTE: Gin
This sentence is one that every player in this game should write on the chalkboard unit they understand it.In post 435, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I stated who the best picks Pine could make were; I don't care whether he recruited you or Mastina because I can read you much easier than I can guess whether Pine recruited you or not.In post 432, Fate wrote:Nacho has COMPLETELY SKIRTED THE ISSUE OF ME and the top picks for scum out of this playerlist
Not even so much as a handwave "nah Pine wouldnt pick Fate cause hed get too much scrutiny and heat"
I backed down from my gut in camn's apartment and let scumcho coast until a surprise endgame
NOT AGAIN
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VOTE: NACHOMAMMA8
Very interested in hearing this.In post 441, BTD6_maker wrote:Pine, you do realise it is optimal for you to do nothing but prodge here. Every time you post we get more information/
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I think fate would be a better candidate than mastina is, for actually jumping onto the Mastina bullshit train as a supposedly veteran player.In post 464, SirCakez wrote:
I did earlier, I'll restate the highlights. Her "theory" of who Pine picked is pointless and scummy because for all we know, Pine RNGed his picks. And her pick to go for nacho seems like scum trying to pick off a good town early, or bussing (which I now doubt).In post 419, Aeronaut wrote:
Ok, can you lay out what you actually think is scum about mastina? She's being silly, but there's definitely no scum motivation in it.In post 372, SirCakez wrote:please let that dayvig shot be real
Fate's push on Nacho is pretty garbage, I think that's a safe bet for buddies with mastin scum. Which would make Nacho town, but nothing he's posted has given me a townvibe, so null for now, town if either fate or mastin scumflips.
So you have two reads total? And they're both slight scum reads?In post 475, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I mean it ain't done but I've been working on it lol
01. Secret Agent JinSpoiler: The Other Less Cool Jin
02. BTD6_MAKERSpoiler: Big Truck Driver 6_
03. TheRealGin-N-TonicSpoiler: The Town Drunk
04. Nachomamma8Spoiler: NachoDaddy
05. FateSpoiler: Karma
06. drealmerz7Spoiler: The Real Dreal
07. Monokuma (Nahdia + Road Kamelot)Spoiler: Didn't even know this was a hydra lmao
08. mastinaSpoiler: Mastin Infinite
09. AeronautSpoiler: Astronaught
10. PrismSpoiler: Pink Floyd
11. SirCakezSpoiler: Why America has a weight problem
12. VaxkillerSpoiler: Unvacinnated
13. pisskopSpoiler: kisspop
LAMISTIn post 480, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:If scum!Mastin, I'm seeing that she would have continued to justify a vote by saying I'm a lazy player or just a scum 'faking town behaviour' by producing a reads list and not finishing it, but I think the most damning thing that obliterates that accusation is that I was able to pull up a saved draft and hit upload in a mere two minutes.
There is also no way I could have written all those spoiler tags, formatted all my posts from before and came up with the puns for the other half of the player list without having done this beforehand with the intent of continuously filling out my book of reads.
Also, are you saying that Mastina is scum here? Because in your readslist thingy, she was one of the empty spoilers that made me die a little inside every time I opened them.
Ok, doIn post 525, mastina wrote:
:scumposting:In post 419, Aeronaut wrote:
Ok, can you lay out what you actually think is scum about mastina? She's being silly, but there's definitely no scum motivation in it.In post 372, SirCakez wrote:please let that dayvig shot be realyousee a scum motivation behind your play today?
Furthermore, do you understand why I'm asking people that question?
I actually don't see how it would be a scum claim from his perspective. I know there's no way I could possibly comprehend the narrative you have going on in your head, but please try. I don't understand how you've ruled out the idea that you and nacho could both be town. If you say no, you haven't ruled it out, then him scumreading you would not be a scum claim.In post 531, mastina wrote:
I'd say you're full of shit, and think it's scum shit not town shit.In post 422, Aeronaut wrote:So one of BTD6 is probably scum, and one is probably town. Curious how mastina reacts to this, since she's the all-powerful pine-whisperer.
That would've been a scumclaim from Nacho, so no. He's not clearly town for the post.I feel as if nacho!scum could have very easily pushed the opposite narrative as mastina, and tried to push it back on them instead of doing what he's doing here and trying to pull them out of their fixation and onto actual scum hunting. E.g Nacho is p clearly town in this post.
What is he?
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Alright, feeling quite a bit better. Thanks for the kind wishes before!
I'm going to *try* not to make huge wall posts, but honestly I'm gonna make what I make. If you really hate them feel free to complain.
I'd believe it, tbh.In post 560, mastina wrote:
The problem is: I knew there was a vig in the game, and you knew there was a vig in the game.In post 499, drealmerz7 wrote:I figured there is a vig. in the game and I was aware of such when I did it
What's to stop the scum, especially Pine, from knowing there is a vig in the game?
...Yeah. They already knew it wasn't real.
You want arealgambit?
Try this one on for size:
I have a role which can confirm me as town.
This is a wifom-post: I may be telling the truth, or I could be fakeclaiming town, or I could be bullshitting scum.
Now THERE'S a gambit for ya. What am I accomplishing with this claim? Is it real, or is it fake?
This is FAR superior to a fake-dayvig claim.
As savage as it is to simply link three players ISO's instead of giving a case on any of them, I feel like you can't complain about the current site meta all game and then proceed to mimic it completely.In post 638, mastina wrote:
You want a case?In post 574, Pine wrote:Mastina, pick a scum and make a case for me. I'm bored.
I'll give you three!
Here's my case on TheRealGin-N-Tonic.
Here's my case on Aeronaut.
And here's my case on Nacho!
Ok, first off, there's zero chance that you're plagiarizing an opening post 1v1, and then proceeding to refuse to lay down a single case from your scumgame; if you are, then you're very much overhyping yourself.In post 649, mastina wrote:
Yes, in fact I do see the scum motivation behind my play today. In fact, a large portion of my play this game I'm plagiarizing from my scumgame. Now there were tweaks involved to make it my towngame, of course, but a large portion of my posting is based upon my scumgame, and as a result, it is RIDICULOUSLY easy for me to see my posts as scum. Sometimes, I have to remind myself that I am in fact supposed to be playing a towngame, here.In post 607, Aeronaut wrote:Ok, doyousee a scum motivation behind your play today? Furthermore, do you understand why I'm asking people that question?
So as a result: no, I do not see a town reason for you to be asking that question. I can see a reason to ask it as scum, but I see no reason for you to ask it as town.
Second off; It's pretty clear to me, and should be clear to you, that scum is probably using you as a shield today. The people voting you, namely Sircakes and BTD, are there for no good reason, and as far as I'm concerned are vote parking. I haven't gotten to Ari's replace in yet but from what I've skimmed it's largely similar.
Now Drealmerz' reasoning on you is just as useless, except I've now watched him tunnel people like this in various games as town in an almost identical way, including most notably in Aeronaut's Drunken Christmas Party which just finished and I can finally talk about it, where he spent two game days tunneling the oblivion out of Titus in an almost identical way as what he's up to here with you.
Are you being sarcastic in this post or is this a real point you're trying to make?In post 677, Monokuma wrote:It's ALMOST as if... you planned this whole thing as a charade to justify not having to buss each other? Maybe? Huh, huh, huh???????2023 W/L | 1-0-
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The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.
Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.In post 710, Vaxkiller wrote:Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!
Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.
Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI
Worried?In post 605, Fate wrote:Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<
Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is
You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?In post 634, Fate wrote:Pine's tellign the truth here
Whichis exactly what I said
Nacho first round scum pick
Fate second round town pick
???
profit
I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?In post 632, Pine wrote:Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.
Hate to burst your bubble.
VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.too rehearsedand that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.
I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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2/3.In post 725, Fate wrote:Yeah I skimmed a few pages
SirCakez / dreamerz7 and Vaxkiller are my strongest picks for scum at the moment.
*sigh*In post 777, mastina wrote:I mean honestly I'd prefer my vote to still be on TheRealGin-N-Tonic because they haven't satisfied my needs yet for calling them town and there's lots of pressure on them and that pressure is good and mostly town and something I don't hate and by going off the wagon I weaken it and that's not something bad because a Gin lynch would in many ways be beneficial.
But strictly speaking, if we're talking players-who-have-literally-EVERY-reason-to-be-scum.
Aeronaut is by far the winner. No player fills as many criteria as he does. These criteria extend beyond Pine's picks, as I define them. Beyond Aeronaut as a town vs scum player, there's what Aeronaut has given us.
If we want a scum lynch, he's the best chance we have at getting one, better than any other player. I'd prefer not to push him yet which is why moving my vote off of TheRealGin-N-Tonic was probably premature. But justsayin'. This is where my vote stays unless I'm given damn good reason to shift it elsewhere because the only thing which'll change is the strength of my push here.
Yeah, so while I'm flattered that you think I'm alright at scum play, I've also never finished a game with you where I was scum, unless you go around reading my games, which is doubtful, and by your own definition isn't enough to gain any real grasp on anything anyway.In post 778, mastina wrote:(That being said: yes he fills Pine's picks pretty well, too. I don't think camn knows about Aeronaut, so I don't think camn drafts Aeronaut. So that means that there's no time limit--Aeronaut could be Pine's first, second, or even third pick for the draft. He's up there though, in that Aeronaut fits most of the criteria I've defined. Strength as a scum player. Ability to manipulate players. Unknown factor, because he's reasonably obscure. He's not a big-name flashy player. He's low-key. He's effective. He's got the game history, so Pine knows about him. He works well with scumbuddies, so he's great to synchronize a scumteam. There's more, but you get the idea. Aeronaut is an ideal pick for Pine, and his play this game supports my theory because this is scumplay from Aeronaut. I've seen Aero as town, scum, and even third party, and I'm reasonably confident of this.)
The closest thing is in Drawn On Arrival, where I targeted a PGO as a backup SK like a doofus. If you want to point to that game and tell everyone it was stellar scum play, that'd be lovely, but I don't see how you would. I've alsonevercompleted a game with pine where I was scum. I've been town with him like 2-3 times, and I played god-awful. Why you assert that he didn't look around before he picked his picks, but then picked me from the two town games I played with him, I don't know.
I have a feeling you want to see how far you can get with me without providing any reasoning and instead just providing the promise that reasoning is there, and I'm telling you right now that you're absolutely wasting your time trying to do that with me.
I really don't think so.In post 790, Monokuma wrote:mastina comes in guns blazing, ranting and raving that she's going to 1v1 you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah for pages and pages
Your entrance: (eloquently) mastina no.
mastina: oh ok (unvotes)
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In post 798, Prism wrote:Monokuma you were doing great up until that last post, ew.In post 800, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Feel free to vote with me before you catch up properly on Saturday; there's plenty of room on the bear wagon!In post 798, Prism wrote:Monokuma you were doing great up until that last post, ew.Is there a reason you didn't join onto the bearwagon(tm) after the post that you deemed awful / nacho asking? Because that Gin vote is still from RVSish?
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In post 837, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:In post 833, mastina wrote:
Fuck off.In post 813, SirCakez wrote:mastin backing off nacho while still scumreading him is another scumtell
No seriously.
I have nothing more to say to you than this.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about me.
I could explain to you any myriad of things about Nacho.
I could explain to you the intricate history and interplay we have.
But no.
I don't feel like dealing with that bullshit.
So instead I'm just going to say this one more time:
Fuck. off.
Ok, well you're still voting Nacho in this post, because you had said in #325 that you were willing to listen to Mastina's point, and that you'd explain why in your readslist. You never explained why in your readslist (you just had mastina blank), so what were you going to say about that?In post 838, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I seriously have a bad feeling about Mastin
So based on the amount of weight people are actually giving interactions with pine in this game (being none), do you really think that Fate felt the need to interact with Pine at all?In post 909, Monokuma wrote: We believe his initial question was designed to give him some interaction with Pine, because he felt he needed some to be present. It felt stilted when it happened, and he clearly hasn't cared about the outcome, and he's failed to explain why he asked it in the first place.
Can you explain your Vax and Mono townreads?In post 914, SirCakez wrote:2.0
Town: Dreal, Vax, Mono, Nacho
Nulltown: Prism, Gin
Null: Aristo/PK, Jin, BTD6 (one of these three is scum if one of my scumreads isn't)
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In post 949, SirCakez wrote:this is painful to readIn post 959, SirCakez wrote:What I'm gaining is this is going in circles and Nacho and you aren't going to be convinced Mono is town
SC complains about the thread being unreadable and the argument being circular instead of doing something, but then when Nacho engages him, he says he's been skimming and can't really answer. Sircakez is not trying to solve the game.In post 964, SirCakez wrote:In post 961, Nachomamma8 wrote:
What Mono argument do you find compelling?In post 959, SirCakez wrote:What I'm gaining is this is going in circles and Nacho and you aren't going to be convinced Mono is town
Let's talk about it!In post 962, Nachomamma8 wrote:Or, alternatively, can you tell me how Mono expected Fate to follow up with Pine's answer?
I've been skimming honestly, it all started blending togetherIn post 963, Nachomamma8 wrote:Or, alternatively, can you tell me with a straight face that Fate asking a question to Pine is equivalent with Gin's buddy buddy interactions with Pine?
A concise explanation of your read on Mono would be awesome
What, because he town reads you? Can you explain this?In post 986, Monokuma wrote:Oh. And we've received a communication from a reliable source (us) that a certain player (who reminds us of a dessert) is not, in fact, guilty at all!!! That player might even be...TOWN!!!The dessert, not us. But we're town too. Just not a dessert. Unless you count how our pillowy softness can be likened to a delicious marshmallow.
I keep waiting for Ari to post something indicative of anything, but it keeps not having happened.In post 990, Aristophanes wrote:
Lynching Nacho is so sad though.In post 746, Fate wrote:Mastin if you're guaranteeing Pine made optimal picks based on your meta knowledge of him then we need to lynch Nacho and no one but Nacho until Nachos dead
Mastina, I love the coloured avatar!
Ok, you're right, but I don't understand why you're still having this argument with Mastina and nothing else. Do you really think that her being wrong about how WIFOM works has anything to do with her alignment?In post 994, BTD6_maker wrote:
Your reasoning is flawed. It can be used to explain that it is more likely that Pine picked optimal picks but not guarantee it. What stops someone from entering the WIFOM game and then coming to the conclusion that Pine made WIFOM picks?In post 738, mastina wrote:
Yes, and it's a closed circle, comprised of two binaries:In post 678, SirCakez wrote:....we're going in circles
Pine either made wifom picks, or optimal picks. Binary number one.
We can either choose to enter the wifom game and try to figure out the above, or we can ignore the wifom game altogether. Binary number two.
If we enter the wifom game and try to figure out the first binary, I am telling you that Pine made the optimal picks.
If we choose to ignore the wifom game altogether, then I am telling you to assume Pine made the optimal picks, because that's what fucking ignoring the wifom game entails.
You can't go "but Pine could have picked the wifom picks!" without entering into the wifom game.
Ignoring the wifom game is therefore assuming...Pine picked the optimal picks.
But if you choose to enter into the wifom game...I am telling you the answer is Pine picked the optimal picks rather than the wifom picks.
So regardless of whether you enter into the wifom game, or whether you ignore the wifom game...the answer here is to assume...Pine picked the optimal choices.
Really not that hard to understand.
I can explain this using an analogy from the wiki:
When chasing down a dangerous criminal, a policeman comes to a fork in the road. To the left is a dark alleyway where the criminal would have a moderate chance of escaping (even if the cop correctly follows him that direction) (I am assuming 50% chance of getting caught here). To the right is a well-lit boulevard where the criminal would surely be caught. The policeman doesn't know which way the criminal went. If he guesses wrong, the criminal will easily make a clean getaway.
If you were the criminal, which way would you go?
If you were the policeman, which way would you guess the criminal went?
The correct answer is for the criminal to run through the alleyway 2/3 of the time and the boulevard 1/3 of the time and for the policeman to do the same.
Likewise, assuming Pine plays optimally, Pine should have a chance greater than random of making optimal picks (as, ignoring the fact that Pine drafted the team, optimal picks are more likely to win) but have a chance of making WIFOM picks.
(The other examples can be analysed similarly and give similar results, though the one about who to kill out of the innocent, lynchbait, and thinker is a false dichotimy - or in this case a trichotomy - that ignores the possibility that you No Kill).
Ok, while you could be right about ari being scum since at the time of this post, he's still contributed nothing, most of your case above is on Pisskop, and I don't know if you've played with pisskop, but what you've described is just what he does regardless of alignment.In post 998, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:First off, Pisskop was the beginning slot, he started out the game and continued the pattern of fluffing and frivolous shit posting. When he did post, there wasn't reasoning attached to it, all of them were baseless and were said to just be said.
It also doesn't help that the slot replacement, Ari can't play scum to save his life, in essence making it a suicide slot. The quotes I put in a spoiler, and really they are all his ISO, is literally no game contribution and doesn't address anyone game related.
Also a quick VCA is that scum will disperse their votes to hide in the crowd, so there will be 1/2 in the main wagons and 1/2 in a slot that's been voted once or they are the only vote. Now, looking at the babywagons that happened in D1, the beginning started with dreal and Fate.
Looking at that, Pisskop gave a weak reason which was really a hesitant question more than accusation and put his vote on dreal. The vote only moved from dreal to Fate and this occurred when Pisskop said, Fate was his top scum read, but again, there was no explanation attached to it, essentially making it a naked vote because it is knowingly implied that if you vote someone, it is because you think they are scum.
I am almost 100% confident that Pisskop has been staying off of the main wagons to avoid any serious attention and shitpost so you think to just ignore him.
VOTE: Aristophanes
HahahahahahaIn post 1005, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:In post 1003, SirCakez wrote:In post 998, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote: Hey if you need to buy any tickets, I got a great site for ya.
https://www.busbuster.com/en/carriers/g ... hgodmygBWA
Um, what? How did we go from "Ari isn't posting anything significant, and therefore is scum" to "Ari is confscum"?In post 1025, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:At this point we know Ari is 100% scum. There is no need not to vote this guy up. Mastin is town simple as that.
Look, Mastin is one of those that you require to use over half of the entire tool belt to lynch and those tools can't be used until flips have been made later down the road. That's what you get for being experienced as scum. However it's pretty clear she'll be killed N1 or N2, after that, it's worth taking into consideration...
I simply don't understand the value of going on a possible mislynch over a conf!scum lynch.
What in Ari's two posts of catchup made you unvote confirmed scum?
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Ok, so in your eyes, couldn't Ari have read your case on him and decided to produce content, then? Are you assuming he's town as long as he's posting something game-wise?In post 1052, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Cakez, you can stop trying to discredit my push as it is still very much there.
You can ask almost anyone in the playerlist, and Ari himself which I can quote him saying IN THIS GAME, that he can't play scum at all and won't post in-game content. It's a rare situation to call someone conf!scum based on their meta, and Ari might be able to help me out here, but there was a game where he replaced in as scum and was the perfect example of what I'm talking about. It's just part of Ari and it's a singular case that wouldn't normally apply to someone else.
Also, once Ari said he'd be going through the thread, which he started doing, I saw content, opinions being formed, so naturally this heavily tilts the read on that slot. Now, Ari has to keep it up because I will be hounding him for content and if he's scum, he'll break.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Gin, are you trying to push Ari because you think he's scum, or because you want to sort him? There's a difference.In post 1183, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Aero, I will not answer questions I have already answered. You may continue to read the thread to find your enlightenment if you wish.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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*snaps*In post 1116, mastina wrote:In post 999, Pine wrote:Yawn. Entertain me, mortals.Heyo let's all come along,
Let us gather to hear this song,
It is a tale told far and wide,
About the scumfuck known as Pine.
He came to violate our dear camn,
To ruin her carefully concocted plan,
But here the forces of good will fight,
To destroy the evil known as Pine.
Heyo, let's all sing this song,
And in the process dump our thoughts,
To ask what we see and why,
To see through deceit and lies.
I say his ally is the yellow mouse,
His treachery shouldn't be allowed,
We should not allow him or his kind,
So full of their deceit and lies.
Heyo, let's keep going strong,
Don't be tempted to go wrong,
We're all here with a purpose to find,
Those that were corrupted by Pine.
Among their ranks is Aristophanes,
Who'd be a great lynch on this day,
I say that ending would be fine,
As it would so be damaging to Pine.
Heyo, let's lynch the Aeronaut,
Or maybe Agent Jin if not,
I say this with a sigh,
Don't be corrupted by their lies.
We can be a complacent lot,
So don't let our dear town rot,
Please I beg you to hear my cry,
You've fallen victim to deceit and lies.
This tale should not end here,
And that is my greatest fear,
That soon I will not be alive,
And you'll fall victim to the Pine.
In the second bit? No, it translates to please stop pushing Nacho using setup spec reasoning, because it was just making you silly and tunnely. And look, it worked. You're not quibbling with us about setup spec like you're in a newbie game and actually starting to play the game instead.In post 1143, mastina wrote:
I'm aware of Aeronaut being sarcastic. It's what the sarcasm is saying which contributes to the problem. The sarcasm, translated into non-sarcastic language, says, "Everyone knows this, and nobody's listened".In post 1097, Aristophanes wrote:
I'm fairly certain the second half of this post is sarcastic. Like, I'd bet on that. Did you not catch that or did I miss something else in my reading of it?In post 312, mastina wrote:
Mafia exercise time.In post 276, Aeronaut wrote:And? I'm pretty sure that's what most of this game thinks, since it's you know, common sense.
Yep, I'm the only one who thinks we shouldn't let a game designed to fuck with us fuck with us, obviously. That's why nacho is the leading wagon, right?
This is a really fun one, I promise you.
Who here can spot the problematic nature of these two statements being placed back-to-back?
There's something very glaringly obvious in here. I could tell you at any time, but I want you to think for a sec, stretch your minds, and see if you're capable of figuring it out for yourselves.
As far as I've seen, he's not trying to solve the game, he's more just waffling around. Recently he's had a few more solidified reads on people, but even then it's minimal and not what I really thought I'd see from one of the top three people that mastina thinks should have been first round picks.In post 1148, Vaxkiller wrote:
This post is really interesting. Before I give my thoughts, Aero, can you tell me why fate is scum to you?In post 1041, Aeronaut wrote:The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.
Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.In post 710, Vaxkiller wrote:Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!
Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.
Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI
Worried?In post 605, Fate wrote:Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<
Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is
You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?In post 634, Fate wrote:Pine's tellign the truth here
Whichis exactly what I said
Nacho first round scum pick
Fate second round town pick
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profit
I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?In post 632, Pine wrote:Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.
Hate to burst your bubble.
VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.too rehearsedand that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.
I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.
Having said that, most of the others who followed me onto this wagon did it for bad to no reasoning, so it's making me second guess it entirely.
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In post 1149, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:{mastina, Nacho}
{dreal, Fate}
{Prism, SirCakez}
{Secret Agent Jin, Aeronaut}
{Vax, BTD6, Monkuma, Ari}
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Why aren't I in that lynchpool if Jin is? And why isn't Vax there if we are?In post 1152, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:SAJ, Ari, Monkuma, and BTD6 are my lynch pool of the day
How? Why couldn't they be both town?In post 1154, Vaxkiller wrote:@mastina
You con'd yourself with that post.
VOTE: mastina
Dreal, assuming mastina flips scum, you are likely town. Help me lynch fate tomorrow.
If she somehow flips town, your town read goes out the window, and I'm sure you will have some excuse for not voting fate.
ThisIn post 1167, Fate wrote:why the literal fuck is theres still a mastina wagon
If we have a multi shot vig FIRE BOMB THAT WAGON AND GAME OVER
If it's early on, doesn't no basis in reality make a lot of sense?In post 1175, mastina wrote: The drealmerz wagon is one of the sketchiest wagons in the game. If there's any wagon comprised mostly of scum, it'd be this one. It was early-on and had no basis in reality.
To be fair, I voted fate, got the flu, and then did a catchup. That's not quite the same.The Fate wagon was driven not by Aeronaut, who just kinda started it. His reasoning? His literal first mention of Fate? The vote itself, where he declared, "Do stuff". Literally his reason for his current vote. And the wagon was also not driven by pisskop (Aristophanes), who blatantly jumped on. (The most you get in terms of reasoning? "congrats on picking on noncontent slots instead of ingame stuff". That was it.) Vaxkiller was one of the main proponents for it, as was Monokuma. This is one reason I find Vaxkiller less suspicious than others: he's actually driving the wagon. (He also made his reasons for suspecting me clear, which is why his switch onto me wasn't bad.) Prism, the late joiner giving a resurgence in the wagon, is also a weaker pusher there.
Yeah, but you spent most of the day doing fuck all, and that's my issue. Generally I always find that people that spend the whole time complaining about how the game is either too long or too noisy or too hard to get anything from aren't trying that hard and are probably scum to begin with.In post 1187, SirCakez wrote:Aero I went back and reread the game and then gave my opinion to try to shut down the bad Monokuma wagon. That's most certainly not doing nothing.
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e.g. you think that because they're probably good players.In post 1198, mastina wrote:
One, taking credit for something you had fuckall to do with, and two, still doesn't negate the issue there. Also, can I point out the irony in you claiming this in the same post you also mention this?In post 1192, Aeronaut wrote:No, it translates to please stop pushing Nacho using setup spec reasoning, because it was just making you silly and tunnely. And look, it worked. You're not quibbling with us about setup spec like you're in a newbie game and actually starting to play the game instead.
(I mean there's more wrong in this post than just that which makes Aero scum, butstill, this should nicely highlight some interesting shit about Aeronaut.)Recently he's had a few more solidified reads on people, but even then it's minimal andnot what I really thought I'd see from one of the top three people that mastina thinks should have been first round picks.
Man playing a game with Mastina is like playing a game with Titus.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I've laid out my reasoning for people Mastina. You don't have to follow it, Mastina, but I'm just very sick of hearing "Oh ooh I have stuff on Aero" when you don't seem to care enough to push it to begin with. In fact, half your reads are because of people who are just on wagons without pushing them, but you're not pushing anything either, so i don't know why you expect anything to happen.
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Yes it does?In post 1202, mastina wrote:
Which...doesn't negate my point.In post 1199, Aeronaut wrote:
e.g. you think that because they're probably good players.In post 1198, mastina wrote:
One, taking credit for something you had fuckall to do with, and two, still doesn't negate the issue there. Also, can I point out the irony in you claiming this in the same post you also mention this?In post 1192, Aeronaut wrote:No, it translates to please stop pushing Nacho using setup spec reasoning, because it was just making you silly and tunnely. And look, it worked. You're not quibbling with us about setup spec like you're in a newbie game and actually starting to play the game instead.
(I mean there's more wrong in this post than just that which makes Aero scum, butstill, this should nicely highlight some interesting shit about Aeronaut.)Recently he's had a few more solidified reads on people, but even then it's minimal andnot what I really thought I'd see from one of the top three people that mastina thinks should have been first round picks.
Great, she tunnels town and setup spec into oblivion like you do
Son, I TAUGHT Titus how to play.Man playing a game with Mastina is like playing a game with Titus.
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Yeah, I need to calm down.
Mastina, I'm done with this pissing match. I don't like to play this way, so I'm not going to. We could either work together or we can't but the fact that you're so, very, incredibly sure of yourself is telling me that it's useless to try to reason with you.
When you've woken up from your tunnel-slumber, you let me know when you want to work with me.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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You know, I'd be super down for a Mafiascum D&D sesh. Is that a part of Mish Mash or do I have to make it one?In post 1209, Aristophanes wrote: I'm out for a DnD session tn,
So what do you mean about fate being "Mostly noise"? I feel like a good description of a player whose mostly noise is someone who is posting about things like probabilities and setup spec and past games, which could describe a few players in this game, but certainly not Fate. What did you think about fate jumping onto Nacho after Mastina's Speccase, for one?In post 1213, Aristophanes wrote:K, so here is what I've gathered as reads from the first half(ish) of the game.
Towny: Nacho, Monokuma, Cakez (based on Pine's maybe a slip?), Prsim
Null: Fate (mostly noise), Aero (because undecided)
Scummy: Mastina, Dreal or Gin
Scum: PINE
Mastina should be playing better if scum, and I may change this read, but I can't ket her off the hook for this scummy AF play she's doing.
Gin, I like you, but you started out Scummy and haven\t rebounded.
Dreal...I can't remember, but I know it was something about his tone and probably reactions to shit.
Anyway, these are the slots I want to focus on.
Also, is your cakez read purely from that pine wifom post?
The three people you won't kill kind of intrigues me, since you were scumreading Gin for like a long time, and as far as I go, you haven't mentioned your thoughts on me once, and haven't really done much interacting with me. Why the sudden TR, or at least will to keep me around?In post 1229, Fate wrote:prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic
highly prefer monokuma, vaxkiller, aristo,
Drealz, let's talk.In post 1248, drealmerz7 wrote:ifonly I had the power
I'm pretty sure you're town here, but you're doing the same tunnel thing you did in ADCP, and you were wrong there. I know you're sure sure SURE of yourself here, but let's assume you're wrong for a moment; do you have other people you think are scum? You've mentioned people, yeah, but those people keep changing, and I'm curious where your head is at re: people who aren't mastina.
No, I was saying that you had this idea that at least one of you, fate, and nacho had to be in Pine's picks. You're someone who is pretty well known and has been around for some time, so I figure that you probably know when a player is good and then they aren't. You assuming that Fate and nacho had to be first round picks tells me that you think they're good players, which regardless of the picks, is probably true.In post 1257, mastina wrote: No, it still doesn't. You advocated against the logic of Pine's picks. You then go on to use the logic behind Pine's picks. You're trying to have your cake and eat it.
RelevantIn post 1258, mastina wrote:
Yes, it is bullshit!In post 1210, SirCakez wrote:
lol this is total bull and anyone who's been reading the game would know thatIn post 1195, Aeronaut wrote:
Yeah, but you spent most of the day doing fuck all, and that's my issue. Generally I always find that people that spend the whole time complaining about how the game is either too long or too noisy or too hard to get anything from aren't trying that hard and are probably scum to begin with.In post 1187, SirCakez wrote:Aero I went back and reread the game and then gave my opinion to try to shut down the bad Monokuma wagon. That's most certainly not doing nothing.
Try harder to throw shade.
Alright, so if you're not going to push me today, who are you going to push?In post 1259, mastina wrote:
North of the null line by some considerable yet undefined margin. And in this case: I really do mean undefined. Not, "defined, but I refuse to release the exact amount". I really mean, "some undefined amount which I haven't a fucking clue about". I don't think they're scum. I'm not sure by how much I don't think they're scum. I just don't think there's been a single successful wagon on a player who's actually scum. Not Fate, not SirCakez, not drealmerz, not Monokuma, not you.In post 1256, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Mastin, whats your thoughts on the bear?
When Pine said "you guys haven't a clue".
And that his team is doing well.
No joke.
I think he was well within his rights to have made that claim in absolute sincerity.
Now the scumteam might not be Aeronaut-Aristophanes-Jin. Fuck, it's possible none of them are! That in BTD6/Vaxkiller/Prism we've got the actual scumteam. I mean, I've laid out my reasons why I more or less don't think Vaxkiller is scum, and have my doubts about Prism/BTD6_maker being scum. I've begun to give reasons for the others being scum even if not by much. But I think the scum are in those six names.
And none of them are anywhere remotely close to being lynched, none of them are even remotely close to so much as having a wagon on them. So none of the people up for the lynch are players I actually think are scum.
Now, I'm still debating in my head about whether I want to push Aeronaut, believe it or not. I'm not sure I actually do. And even if I do, while I've got the list of facts for why he's scum inventoried in my head, translating those into words might be a bit difficult and I'm not quite sure where I'd begin.
But what I won't do is lynch any of Fate/Nacho/Gin/Monokuma/SirCakez/drealmerz today.
That's my stance.
Can I ask why you chose those specific people to talk about those people respectively?In post 1264, Vaxkiller wrote:I really want to hear from
Aristo, Monokumo, and prism on what they think about mastina
dreal, sir cakez, btd6 on what they think about fate
aero, I would like to hear your current thoughts on fate and mastina
Also aero, I have not forgot about you, I jut don't have time at the moment to write something out to you.
I've laid out my thoughts on Mastina quite a bit, but I can see how it's hard to parse through our walls. I don't think she's scum, and haven't all game. The people pushing her are doing so with vague to nonexistent reasoning. You for example had a TR on her at the start, but then later made the case that her earlier posting was not giving you good vibes before, and then after she made her post about how good she is as scum, voted her I guess for that? It's not a good case, but it's still the best of the people on that wagon.
Everyone else is pushing her for trying to use setup spec as a means to auto-POE people, as if scum!Mastina wouldn't have been able to come in and fabricate real reads on us. I also find it next to impossible to believe that scum would come in and 1v1 Nacho, because if that succeeded, now all that she has is the entire thread trying to lynch her D2 because of the bullshit setup spec she tried to push on D1.
E.g. people are failing to see the difference between scum, and incredibly anti-town, and/or pushing her for that bad reasoning because they don't know what else to do.
Regarding Fate, I'm currently very torn; Reading fate alone, no, I wouldn't say he's trying to solve the game. The one thing that does make me feel otherwise is his whole interaction with Nacho later on, where he says that a lot of his "scumreading" of nacho was just him trying to make nacho awkward and pressured; I honestly sort of believe that, strangely, because I usually don't believe that kind of thing. If that's true, Fate's at least doing something. Besides that, though, most of it is kind of sub-par from what he's supposedly supposed to be capable of, according to Mastina and from what I've heard in the GOAT thread.
The thing that gives me pause though is that I really hate the pushes on him. Mono's push on him was based originally on interactions withpine, and the fact that they're assuming that Fate really felt like he needed interactions with Pine, which makes zero sense from any perspective. Your push doesn't make any sense to me either, that fate of all people in this game had artificial-sounding-posting syndrome; I don't actually know Fate and haven't played with him, but his behavior in this game is lot of things that aren't that. Ari's vote was/is still there from the pisskop-times so that's useless.
That stuff worries me enough that I don't want to lynch Fate today, either. This has been a weird game in that there haven't been too many real wagons going on, which makes me feel like some of the people poorly pushing what wedohave are just scum who are looking for a place to rest their vote until the day's over.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Also, Mastina, I thought I'd asked this earlier but I can't find it, but what are you opinions on Fate? someone asked you before and you never gave a real answer, so I'm asking you now.
I would have thought that your POE thing would have made you assume that if Nacho is town and you're town, then Fate must be scum from your perspective right?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I don't see how Mastina's VCA would make you townread me though? She was trying to point out that I was scum in that.In post 1273, Fate wrote:I wasnt scumreading Gin for a long time this misconception was already cleared up
Yes Aero!town is a new read given you actually posting and some of mastinas vca
I don't understand any part of this at all; Like you could say Prism's not doing anything, but there's people who are doing a lot less things, like SC or jin, or BTD6, people who are kind of getting by. Or you could say, Prism isn't listening to you, but I don't see a scum motivation there at all. I feel like scum is definitely going to take a stance on you, because otherwise it's shady as fuck.In post 1278, mastina wrote:
I think you'd have to make it.In post 1267, Aeronaut wrote:You know, I'd be super down for a Mafiascum D&D sesh. Is that a part of Mish Mash or do I have to make it one?
I also think it'd be mega-slow.
Also, I'd love love love LOVE to be a part of it.
I've wanted to be a part of a D&D campaign ever since I heard of D&D, which at this point has to be...oh, at least twelve years ago if not more.
Yet I have zero contacts in real life who'd have this as a possibility, and every time this comes up online, there's zero followthrough, or the method that's chosen is one that involves real-time playing in order to combat the mega-slow nature of internet-based D&D. (I can't do real-time playing.)
On an actual game note: Fuck you, Aero.
You were totally not only Pine's first pick, but also an extraordinarily good one because you're better at convincing and manipulating people than you say you are and you're so damn good at it that in spite of meknowingthat you were his first pick you're actually making me feel otherwise.
VOTE: Prism.
This, to answer who I would push.
Prism's attitude towards me is something I won't tolerate. Writing me off as useless was cute when it was the RVS. Not so much now, especially when Prism's done fuckall since then. I can understand the idea, in theory, of someone not listening to me in a game. But not so much in this game. Now granted, what said player actually hears may differ. Of the twelve players listening to me, there are twelve different ideas of what I'm actually saying. (I'm counting Pine among them.) BTD6, SirCakez, drealmerz, and Vaxkiller say it's scummy shit, but they've listened. Monokuma has listened to me and wants more. Nacho has concluded I'm town but wrong. Fate has listened but I don't know what he's said.
And so on and so forth.
The point I'm getting at here is that every player in the game has said they are reading my posts and trying to do something with them.
Every player, except Prism.
And Prism has said, "not worth it, gonna assume null, not going to bother to sort, not going to bother to read, not going to do anything there". That callous attitude towards avery fucking important part of the gameis not something I associate with town. And me saying I'm an important part of the game isn't ego--it's simple objective truth.
I have one of the highest post counts in the game, second only to Gin in fact.
I have one of the largest wagons in the game, second only to the brief L-2 Fate wagon. I am the currently-largest wagon.
This is all objective facts which are 100% accurateandrelevant no matter what.
For objective facts which may or may not be relevant, you can also add in:
-I have more game history with Pine than any other player here.
-I have significant game history with Nacho.
-I have quite a bit of game history with many other players in this game.
-I am considered by many players to be a very significant player on mafiascum. People think I'm good. People think it so much that they have a higher expectation of me than I am realistically able to deliver.
Those are also all objectively true.
And it doesn't even begin to factor in the subjectivity of my claim to be a very important part of the game.
The simple fact is, Prism is ignoring me, and is either an alt or someone who has mastered the old perception of me that veteran players used to take, to ignore me if for no other reason on policy alone, because surely the words of mastina, the wallposter mastina, the infamous mastina, is someone not worth paying attention to, who says a lot of meaningless shit and nothing of importance. That's the attitude Prism is displaying and that's the attitude old veterans would display to me, but it's NOT the attitude a new player displays to me.
Then you get into what Prism has done.
WhathasPrism done?
Can you answer me even that much?
Prism may have a recent V/LA of some sort in effect, would have to check for how long and starting when and when it ends, but the fact is, prior to that point, what did Prism do? Prism had a strong early start, sure, pushing Gin-N-Tonic. But other than that, they've done basically nothing. And even their Gin push was weaker than some of the other members of the wagon there.
I know, I could be shooting myself in the foot for reneging my early townread there. But if I don't see Prism produce something worthwhile, I'm not going to be so sorrowful about it.
This was not a smart move by any means, but there's an upside; we can watch the people on Mastina's wagon try to jump onto someone else before DL; the people with no reads besides mastina especially, will be the easiest to see from that.In post 1284, mastina wrote:
I'll make the choice easy on ya.In post 1280, Vaxkiller wrote:Choose fate or mastina
I don't think there's a risk of me being lynched.
But there's a risk of me being moronically vigged depending on who holds the vig role.
I didn't want to claim in case the scum's role was a roleblocker, but I suppose I'll have to take the risk.
I am a 1-shot masonizer.
Remember when I said I had an ability which could confirm me as town?
This was it.
If I target town, my target will become a mason with me. Our talk would be night-time only.
If I target scum, my ability will fail.
Of course, I had already softclaimed, and the scum know that I'm town and the town doesn't, so that also contributed to my decision here to claim.
I intend to use my power tonight. Who I use it on, for obvious reasons, I shan't disclose. But obviously, a vig vigging me would feel awfully fucking stupid the morning after when they realize they shot confirmed town, so here ya go. The person I target, should I succeed, will be able to verify my claim D2, making us either scumbuddies, or both town.
Take that into advisement.
..... Why Drealz?In post 1293, Fate wrote:I'm a much better lynch than mastina for anyone who wants to switch and make somethign happen before deadline
also willing to flash wagon dreaamrez
To be honest, this is not solving the game, this is defending a confirmable-claimed player.In post 1296, Monokuma wrote:Anyone seriously still wanting to d1 lynch mastina after that claim needs to check themselves.
Imagine we wrote a big long paragraph full of florid metaphors on how ridiculous voting mastina here. There are beautiful metaphors and heart-rending similes and it's just the most beautiful thing you've ever read. It's just so deeply moving that your vote still being on mastina brings you to tears. You enter a prolonged existential crisis, questioning your very identity as a mafia player, because you come to realize just how inane and foolish your play has been. You slump over in your office chair or in your bean bag or whatever sitting apparatus you use to perch yourself in front of a computer and read internet mafia. A haze fills your mind as your vision begins to blur into nothing and your hearing is washed out with a dull yet pervasive ringing. Are you dead? Perhaps. You begin to dream. Your mind takes you on a grandiose journey as you seek to reinvent yourself. For many dream-years, you become an eremite, dedicating yourself only to the study of mafia theory. Your days are filled with pouring over ISOs and conducting VCA in games you spectate. Your nights are sleepless. Eventually, you awake from your dream state and find yourself still in your computer using butt-apparatus. You are weak and hungry and smelly. Though many years passed in the confines of your mind, only three days have passed in the real world. Still, you feel a great deal older. You realize with a start that deadline has not hit. You have been prodded, but not yet replaced. Quickly, you at long last begin down your triumphant path to redemption. You mend the mistakes of your imbecilic past; you unvote mastina.2023 W/L | 1-0