Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!
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My first thought on this was yes. It makes sense. Its waht we are all thinking. Pine is going to pick some good players (dreal does not say this, but its waht _I_ was thinking, I also I focused on was fate, im assuming he is a good player from all the hoopla in the signup thread)In post 31, drealmerz7 wrote:pine, you're going to be so fucking sorry you didn't pick me to be on your team...sooooo fucking sorry...
mastina, fate, pisskop, pine - calling it now
So I thought, lets lynch fate, if that flips town we lynch dreal.
BUT dreal is a good player as well, and this seems like distancing. I see dreal put alot of emotion when trying to convince people in his arguments.
Mastinas post 48 and subsequent posts seem town to me. THey could really use a TLDR tho.
I think its scummy that dreal calls out his scum list and then afterward he finds mastinas behavior scummy.
More scum posting. Instead of saying why, you just say just say shes "scumming it up" also you trying VERY VERY hard to convince us pine did not pick you, a little to hard.In post 55, drealmerz7 wrote:mastin already out in front of it scumming it up! lovely!!!
if you dig further you can see that I was scum with pine and SAJ recently (in the same game) and it is likely there is no way pine would have picked either of us based on that game's performance, which is too bad for him because that's the only scum game I've ever lost and clearly pine drafted like this:
fate
(nacho goes to camn)
mastin
(prism goes to camn)
pisskop
pine made a huge mistake letting nacho and prism team up I think
I'll be on later tonight to address anything. Don't get to mad dreal, lets not AtE this game up!
VOTE: Dreal-
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If that were the case he would flip outIn post 157, pisskop wrote:
VOTE: drealzIn post 145, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: Dreal
Scum is calling out his buddies?-
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Voting nacho is just distracting from the game. He is not going to post any faster.
Dreals talking to pine makes me thing he is trying way to hard to make it seem like somthing only someone who is town would ahve the balls to do... but it just comes off scummy.
Pines vote him on when things starting looking bad = scum
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I dont understand, you think hes scum?In post 389, SirCakez wrote:What about voting scum????-
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Soooo people think this post was over the top obvious scum?In post 409, SirCakez wrote:
Like people could be voting Nacho because they think he's scumIn post 392, Vaxkiller wrote:
I dont understand, you think hes scum?In post 389, SirCakez wrote:What about voting scum????
Telling people to unvote because "he won't show up any faster" is dumb
Because taht is al he posted so far.In post 191, Nachomamma8 wrote:Hola. I have limited access today, but I will check in tomorrow.
I'm new here, but I've heard the name nacho before, so its not like hes some newbie-scum that is afraid to post.
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MLA or APA?In post 413, Monokuma wrote:with perfectly formatted citations.-
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Can you explain this reads list? Like is it town from top to bot? What does "1 of" mean?In post 66, mastina wrote:ONE OF: Fate/Nachomamma (Fate?)
Btd6_maker
pisskop
SirCakez
Prism
Vaxkiller
drealmerz
Monokuma
Secret Agent Jin
The RealGin-N-Tonic
Aeronaut
THE OTHER OF: Nachomamma/Fate (Nacho?)
Realized I was missing one. Vaxkiller, I believe, falls under the "lack of experience" category as far as I could quickly find.-
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I'm trying to give everything another look through. Why? I was re-reading mastina's posts and is not giving me the same warm and fuzzy's I felt the first time reading it.
Also I'm death tunneling dreal, and there are a few people that only have not even said more than a dozen words.
Did Pine get to choose his picks all at once, or were turns taken?-
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On my first read through of the first few pages I missed. I was left of the opinion that mastina was game solving. But re-reading through I missed parts of thier posts taht I do not like.
First off post 22 is just bad
post 26 starts off great, but then falls into the same "Why didn't pine pick me?"
post 34 more crying about not being picked.
Then alot of posting I like. With the exceptions of posts
106
224
which I cant even follow.
@mastina give a tldr on some of these, good lord.
TLDR: Good townies have no reason to be posting shit like "why didnt you choose me" it jsut creates WIFOM for no reason. and further communication with pine (like dreal is doing) just muddy's those waters further! It's not helping town and he knows better than to play like that.
I know I said I was going to revisit my death tunnel on dreal, but I cant find anything that makes me want to move my vote.
Mastina looks better as the day goes on, but I still question those earlier comments, and I don't have the same super town feeling. more of a town-lite (and liek all lite beers, does not leave me satisfied)-
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In post 346, Fate wrote:I dont remember a lot of mafia games it seems
VOTE: Nacho
Willing to sheep Pine thoIn post 350, Fate wrote:I havent read the thread Nahdia
Id probably be cheeky and avoid it anyway but theres thatIn post 363, Fate wrote:
Thats how it works yesIn post 351, drealmerz7 wrote:^ you don't just let him get away with that scum shit "because he's fate", right? ^
*coasts*In post 364, Fate wrote:Best day vig shot on town Ive seen in sometimeIn post 418, Fate wrote:Nacho's completely avoided me in his posting
That's guaranteed 100% Nacho scum
@fateIn post 432, Fate wrote:Nacho has COMPLETELY SKIRTED THE ISSUE OF ME and the top picks for scum out of this playerlist
Not even so much as a handwave "nah Pine wouldnt pick Fate cause hed get too much scrutiny and heat"
I backed down from my gut in camn's apartment and let scumcho coast until a surprise endgame
NOT AGAIN
NEVER AGAIN
VOTE: NACHOMAMMA8
can you walk me through the sequence of events here? THis is how I see it.
Vote nacho for no reason.
Says they (fate) have not read the thread
filler
filler
Nacho avoids me, he is scum
RAGE POST ABOUT NACHO AVOIDING ME.
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What is this?In post 568, mastina wrote:ONE OF: Fate/Nachomamma
drealmerz
Prism
Btd6_maker
SirCakez
Vaxkiller
pisskop
Monokuma
Secret Agent Jin
The RealGin-N-Tonic
Aeronaut
THE OTHER OF: Nachomamma/Fate
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Do you think that makes him scum?In post 575, Fate wrote:I genuinely want to know why you're interacting with Pine so much, Gin-
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Do you have a question? Because I'll answer yours if you answer mine.In post 578, Fate wrote:Thats got nothing to do with why you're mad about me catching your nacho scumbuddy, Vax-
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Fate are you upset about my post 436 or something?
You think:
nacho is scum for not talking to you..............................
I am scum..........for talking to you and not talking to pine. <---Speculation extrapolated from how you find your other scum reads
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How long have you been holding onto that one?In post 628, Fate wrote:I thought you were looking forward to your "first game with Fate" gin?
What changed?
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This sentence is worded in a way that makes it seem like you were there, or you know more than town should know.In post 631, Fate wrote:That's why immediately after Nacho was scumdrafted I was town drafted.-
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THERE WILL BE PEACE WHEN YOU ARE DONE.In post 647, Fate wrote:CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SONS-
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Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!
Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.
Worried?In post 605, Fate wrote:Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<
You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?In post 634, Fate wrote:Pine's tellign the truth here
Whichis exactly what I said
Nacho first round scum pick
Fate second round town pick
???
profit
I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?In post 632, Pine wrote:Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.
Hate to burst your bubble.
VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.
@Fate
Found this when reading your iso:
You wouldn't answer my question so I assumed it.In post 594, Fate wrote:I also never called Gin* scum, Vaxkiller
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@dreal
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Suppose you are scum. How would you play this game? Where would you have started?-
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I can bearly tell the difference between pines and fates posts.-
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@Fate
In response to your 929 and 957 bullshit. You are the one that is not giving a complete picture. I tried asking you a question and you dodged it, so I can only take that dodge and the previous information and take a guess at what you are thinking.
Here is what happened without fates editing:
Posts 577 578 584
I have outlined CLEARLY in my posts 436 630 633 710 why fate is scum and all he has done is yell/rant and edit posts to push his agenda. We clearly have scum caught and we need to tighten the noose.
In post 1018, drealmerz7 wrote:that is why my vote is
*puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*
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you don't let that live past D1, ppls!
fate can go tomorrow
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Dreal, first off, neither of these sound town to me. it sounds like we caught your scum buddy and you are desperately trying to lynch a townie instead, an then tomorrow you will have some bullshit excuse why not to lynch fate.In post 1080, drealmerz7 wrote:we clearly have 2 scum wagons going
fate and mastina
can we please consolidate on mastina first
fate tomorrow is much easier than mastina tomorrow
trust me please
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This post is really interesting. Before I give my thoughts, Aero, can you tell me why fate is scum to you?In post 1041, Aeronaut wrote:The entirety of #710 is pretty manufactured-sounding. It's mostly some very weak reasons for SRing Fate and then him justifying the switch from drealz with more silly bullshit.
Here Vax is absolutely appalled that anyone could think fate is town, what are we all doing?! Most of Vax's reasoning here is that Fate isn't reading the thread, and is therefore scum, which is at most anti-town.In post 710, Vaxkiller wrote:Does anyone actually believe that Fate is town? All he has been doing is spreading miss-information, providing horrible reasons for his voting 418 432 Hes not even reading the thread 350 604!
Asks questions, but refuses to answer small legitimate ones asked of him: 577 578 579 580. All this translates to scum, and hes having a blast doing it. I'm having fun with this game too, but I can guarantee the scum are having even more fun.
Here he is commenting on a fluff post as if it's AI
Worried?In post 605, Fate wrote:Wait is camn allowed to post freely too or is that just flavor <_<
Also, him asserting that 628 or really any of Fate's postings this game is
You modified this a bit, and your using fate to defend yourself?In post 634, Fate wrote:Pine's tellign the truth here
Whichis exactly what I said
Nacho first round scum pick
Fate second round town pick
???
profit
I know I said this before but post 628 reeks of someone thinking of a great joke, but has to wait for the right moment, when the blurt it out all the sudden and it sounds super rehearsed, like they have been waiting to say it for soooo long. As soon as you rolled scum you thought of this right?In post 632, Pine wrote:Nacho was a first round pick, Fate. You were a second round pick.
Hate to burst your bubble.
VOTE: Fate
I still want dreal dead, once fate flips maybe more people will believe my dreal case.too rehearsedand that's why fate is a really, really, silly accusation to make about fate, who I'm 90% sure just types letters and lets it autocorrect into words into this thread. Like, there's probably a lot of reasons that fate could be scum in this game, but rehearsed posts is not one of them.
I also dislike how he immediately feels the need to justify it, and when you think about it, this justification makes no sense; fate flipping scum would not make drealz seem any more scum worthy anyone, especially since fate has minimal interaction with him besides calling him scum. If anything, a drealz wagon could get marginally more traction if fate flipped town, but even then , nah. So this justification is shit, and this case is shit.-
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That whole 1122 post bothers me.In post 1150, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
This really bothers me.In post 1122, mastina wrote:You have three town: You, drealmerz, and BTD6.-
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@mastina
You con'd yourself with that post.
VOTE: mastina
Dreal, assuming mastina flips scum, you are likely town. Help me lynch fate tomorrow.
If she somehow flips town, your town read goes out the window, and I'm sure you will have some excuse for not voting fate.-
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Care to share?In post 1216, drealmerz7 wrote:that is one of the most fascinating VCs...-
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rofl, thats how I think you you/nacho/secretIn post 1260, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:If I had to describe BTD6/Vax/Prism, it would be people you don't necessarily think are pro-town but you're putting them aside because you think your attention is better elsewhere-
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He just trying to fuck with your mind. Everyone knows fate is scum, so hes trying to point out the obvious to make it so its not scummy.In post 1261, Aristophanes wrote:
I hate the situation so much, but I absolutely agree with our fucking confirmed scum here...In post 1239, Pine wrote:Fate's reads ARE bad.
And that deception would have been brilliant, but it kind of defeats the point of the game.-
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I really want to hear from
Aristo, Monokumo, and prism on what they think about mastina
dreal, sir cakez, btd6 on what they think about fate
aero, I would like to hear your current thoughts on fate and mastina
Also aero, I have not forgot about you, I jut don't have time at the moment to write something out to you.-
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You may as well pretend my vote is still on you, nothing has changed there.In post 1274, Fate wrote:
This needs to be answered because Monokumas vote sustain on me continues to be the scummiest thing in the gameIn post 1268, Aeronaut wrote:Mono, is your case on fate still that he interacted with pine and that he ignored you? Or am I wrong in that assumption?-
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Everyone needs to get out with thier vanity wagons.
Choose fate or mastina-
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1 shot mason? Fuck taht
Mastina you get one trucking chance so you better not screw it up. If you even think of masoning fate/aero/dreal you can just put that noose back on.
Your target dies tonight? Noose
Action failed? Noose
If you ARE town, think hard about your target.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate This needs to die.
In other news, when I get some time, I'm going to outline why I think aero is scum and dreal MAY not be. That is still up in the air.-
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I jsut took a look at mastinas read list to see who her town reads were, and realized I have zero myself. If she IS town, I have no idea who I would trust that she might pick.-
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Do you think that is supposed to be some sort of "scum slip" where I forget to include myself as a town read? Or is it just appalling that I don't have any yet?-
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Aero, get your ass back on fate, dreal, help me lynch fate and we will lynch mastina tomorrow (because I know her ability is going to fail somehow). BTD6, same goes for you about mastina-
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Is that what you are doing? Pretending?In post 1438, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Vax you can pretend to be town and lynch SAJ
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Stereotypical Vax?
What would you say to someone who claimed what you claimed at L3?-
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You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?-
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I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.
Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.-
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Or your target could COINCIDENTALLY be dead tomorrow.In post 1465, mastina wrote:
The reason why people should townread me for claiming it is because it's a fucking confirmable role. If I don't confirm it, I get lynched. That simple. And tomorrow, either I'll be dead because the scum don't want an OP role like mine alive, or I'll have my target confirm that, yes, my claim is valid, at which point the options become we're scumbuddies or we're mason buddies. If you think that two of Pine's three scummates go on to claim mason D2, I'm really not sure what to tell you other than "no. Just...no".In post 1457, Vaxkiller wrote:You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?-
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I don't want to lynch mastina today, but if im dead tomorrow and mastina targeted the NK, or is "linked" to someone super scummy, please remember me.-
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touche'In post 1473, Nachomamma8 wrote:if she could talk herself out of getting lynched with that hot garbage, then don't you think she could talk herself out of a day 1 lynch?
I think she would at least have more fun.
Gotta go, ill be on later tonight-
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So much shit to catch up on. This one really bothered me tho. THe miss-information is the modified posts I provided.In post 1903, Aristophanes wrote:I don't like that he didn't link any "misinformation" and also that he accused Fate of not reading the thread at the same time. Like, the two kind of contradict each other, and there is no evidence provided for the former. He could have had a much more solid case had he put that effort in.-
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In post 1652, Nachomamma8 wrote:i had taco bell tonight!In post 1651, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Roommate is bringing me a shit ton of taco bell for the night
How are you guys feeling this morning?-
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Pretty unlikely. Aero is rising on my scum list and dreal is falling.In post 1895, mastina wrote:Like.
Would Vaxkiller + Secret Agent Jin + Aeronaut be plausible?
It kinda feels right to me, but I'm not sure by how much.-
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That's a pretty bad game to analyze. I felt like a little fish in a big pond. Everyone in that game knew each other and pretty much only wanted to play with each other.In post 1899, mastina wrote:One thing I'm looking at is Vaxkiller's Defcon iso and trying to compare it to this game, but I can't tell if it's similar or different, and how much so, and if it would be important, if it's actually relevant.-
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For whats its worth, I don't have a scum read on you, but it feels weird to have you call me town when you are at (L3? im still reading)-
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Its just not worth arguing today about. I would argue against lynchying her today, but I need to be clear that she needs looked at much more closely tomorrow, and I think its pretty weird how much you are town reading her.In post 1968, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 1457, Vaxkiller wrote:@nacho
You really don't think there is ANYTHING suspicious about claiming that at L3, as well as her acting like everyone should town read her for CLAIMING it?
I think that this progression looked good.In post 1469, Vaxkiller wrote:I unvoted earlier because I understand it deserves a chance. I'm venting my suspicions and I'm a little less suspicious now.
Mastina seems like the type of person down for a gambit, I still dont think its the worst possible role to claim, and she could talk herself out of something going wrong with her role tomorrow easily.
Trying to walk Vaxkiller off that ledge was trying to pull a cat away from a chicken sandwich they've already sunk their teeth into; I love how he backs off a little tiny bit but still grumbles about how he still thinks she could be scum.-
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BTD6 is lynch bait. The past few games I've played with him, he keeps getting lynched and he has flipped town.-
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I was really bothered that you jumped off fate. TO me it kinda looked like you voted fate (your scum partner) at the beginning and then got stuck there because a wagon formed pretty quickly.
When asked you seem wishy washy about it. You are like: yeah fate could be scummy, but I dont want to lynch. This just seems like protecting to me (See above and below)
In post 1267, Aeronaut wrote:Regarding Fate, I'm currently very torn; Reading fate alone, no, I wouldn't say he's trying to solve the game. The one thing that does make me feel otherwise is his whole interaction with Nacho later on, where he says that a lot of his "scumreading" of nacho was just him trying to make nacho awkward and pressured; I honestly sort of believe that, strangely, because I usually don't believe that kind of thing. If that's true, Fate's at least doing something. Besides that, though, most of it is kind of sub-par from what he's supposedly supposed to be capable of, according to Mastina and from what I've heard in the GOAT thread.
The thing that gives me pause though is that I really hate the pushes on him. Mono's push on him was based originally on interactions with pine, and the fact that they're assuming that Fate really felt like he needed interactions with Pine, which makes zero sense from any perspective. Your push doesn't make any sense to me either, that fate of all people in this game had artificial-sounding-posting syndrome; I don't actually know Fate and haven't played with him, but his behavior in this game is lot of things that aren't that. Ari's vote was/is still there from the pisskop-times so that's useless.
That stuff worries me enough that I don't want to lynch Fate today, either. This has been a weird game in that there haven't been too many real wagons going on, which makes me feel like some of the people poorly pushing what we do have are just scum who are looking for a place to rest their vote until the day's over.
These following posts makes me hesitate however.In post 1229, Fate wrote:prod dodge, I vehemently oppose a mastina lynch still and will kill anyone not named Nacho, Aeronaut, or Gin and tonic
highly prefer monokuma, vaxkiller, aristo,In post 1267, Aeronaut wrote:The three people you won't kill kind of intrigues me, since you were scumreading Gin for like a long time, and as far as I go, you haven't mentioned your thoughts on me once, and haven't really done much interacting with me. Why the sudden TR, or at least will to keep me around?
It's a ballzy move for scum!aero to post the above to scum!fate and then back, so not im not so sure (about the association)In post 1273, Fate wrote:I wasnt scumreading Gin for a long time this misconception was already cleared up
Yes Aero!town is a new read given you actually posting and some of mastinas vca
Looking for associations. Also some people have expressed thier thoughts on one or the other and I wanted to make sure were still true, or get reasons for them not being so.In post 1267, Aeronaut wrote:Can I ask why you chose those specific people to talk about those people respectively?
Not everyone answered.-
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Voting secret agent jin is about the least town thing you can do at the moment. WTF is anyone even voting him? You are just handing scum an easy lynch that they wont ever have to explain thier vote on because he is MIA for 3 days.-
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I did read the Jam session. You are just going to assume that everyone there "figuring" stuff out is town and that the game is solved?
There were some interesting bits, but Jin is an AWFUL lynch-
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Great! Now we are getting somewhere. Explain to me fates motivation on all his posts, and when you cant come over to the fate wagon.In post 2042, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Yeah no, we went into the intent of posts to see what we thought was the true motivations behind it.-
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Also, not your guy, buddy.-
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Well the biggest one I see is assuming everyone "Jamming" last night is town. The other is ignoring fate. I don't get it, everyone seems to think he is scummy, but doesn't want to vote him.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?