Mini 1868 - Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love Mafia [GAME OVER]
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Hello!
I would start the game with a naked vote.
VOTE: Aj The Epic"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I am going to make it quick that
1) I am not sure I understand LuV wagon, either the early wagon or the late wagon
2) I reject the motion of hypo claim. Hypo claim in D2 would only be beneficial if we get throught to D3, but we would only get to D3 if we're in good shape. If we're in a good shape, why take the gamble? I understand the motion, I have done hypo claim in the past in @EM, but I don't think hypo claim is justified for this game.
3) Beside Aj, I am scumleaning Reflektor. However, I suspect that it's just game play and false alarm so I am not going to hold my gut to Reflektor. I am town leaning Persivul."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Yup"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Is rm due to inactivity?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I think given his modding experience *cough* The Purge *cough*, he is being genuine.In post 350, -Grey- wrote:
This is disingenuous shade slinging.In post 115, Persivul wrote:In my experience, scum, who know the alignments, are less likely to have thoroughly read the setup than town. Further, while setup spec can be beneficial, it can also be used as a way to appear busy without really scum hunting.
Nobody knows alignments pregame, which is when reading the description whilst signing up... happens.
FoS: Persivul"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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It's just that I have lynched town!randomidget for the same reason before.
*cough* The Hunger Games *cough8
And remember that we're already in potential lylo in D2. I need more than policy lynch."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Empking. I'm still trying to understand your brainz. Help me exactly with your Luv case. You said he did that for brownie point. Elaborate please."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Nah. I scum tunnel a game with Tammy.In post 389, Reflektor wrote:He's not talking about alignment, he's talking about competence."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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or Nammy. I am confused."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Can you elaborate this post?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Am I the only one who is townleaning shadonra?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 155, BBmolla wrote:
your robot postingIn post 153, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The first two points are NAI and the latter is subjective. What felt safe about my first five posts? My lack of an RVS vote? My suggestion?
I am going to push for this.
VOTE: BbMolla
Explain like I am 5, how does "robot posting" = "scum fitting in"
I think you're desperately trying to fit in. To make sure it doesn't seem fitting in, you call other fitting it."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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For someone, that is a regular scummie from 2011, I find it hard for that to fly."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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To be more precise, I find it confusing that you scumread LuV, but didn't scumread Tammy.
Tammy is not fitting in? If I were old timer like Reflektor, I would be alerted, which what Reflektor did."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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UNVOTE:"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Which post would be trying to fish for town cred?In post 408, Empking wrote:
What do you want me to eleborate on?In post 387, Realeo wrote:Empking. I'm still trying to understand your brainz. Help me exactly with your Luv case. You said he did that for brownie point. Elaborate please."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I thought he was consolidated vig target."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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It very bothers me that some player seems so chilly with Tammy that when I am replacing-in, I expect a red PM. Boy, I am dissapointed.
-Madea:Town lean
I can relate to Fate saying Madea is playing safe. However, I'd like to argue to Fate that he is playing a safe town, not a safe scum want to have his options open. I'd like to consider that he is being town for his attitude.
Spoiler: For quote and explanation
-Aj :Scum lean
shandora did an excellent job and when he mentioned that, when I looked at Aj's iso, I felt that I'm watching my scum play.
Spoiler: What shandora said
But the biggest problem why I scumread that isthat. The biggest problem is I can't see him actually solving the game.NOT
He makes comments, here and there
In post 309, Aj The Epic wrote:VOTE: BBmolla
I mean honestly you couldn't ask for a more useless vote than dropping one on indigo. Wants LuV wagon, gets two generic townreads, moves on to Fate. He even says Uzi's posts aren't good. Which, going by his last post
He should still be voting LuV as he's said nothing about Fate anyways.In post 282, BBmolla wrote:In all honesty I'm not voting for pressure any more im just voting who I think is most likely scum
Also he actually took part in RQS so fuck him.
~~but his conclusion is...
With no (obvious) thinking process, I classify his previous post as shade throwing
VOTE: Aj
Weak town leanat Persivul but effort is NAI so I need to read more. I can't get my head at Bbmolla so I'm going to put him atweak scum lean"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Hey mod! When day vig shoots (from GS?), how does day vig shoots? Does they post in this thread like
Shoot: Donald Drumpf
Or secretly from PM?
(I'm using orange italic. I'm not impersonating mod since mod is orange bold =D)"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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@AJ: I personally cannot see what you mean.
So whatevah.. Let's stop scumhunting and lynch him?And to address Raelo's concern, this is what I expected. There's a spoken but previously unshown consensus for proceeding with RM. I had stated that I'd be interested in helping that. Over 100 posts and nothing happened with BBmola or the gamestate in general, it was best to temporarily move on.
And where does Medea comes from? I'm branding you sheeping scum. You say I'm undecided in the past. What changes?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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EBWOP
You said you're undecided on Medea in the past."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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To be fair, this setup is designed for D1 mislynch...that we do need vig to shoot.In post 477, Empking wrote:K so this setup has gone form "inheritly scumsided" to "lol wtf free mafia win unless town is gods among gods"
I will literally WOTC anyone for the rest of my mafia career if they shoot in this setup, period. ever.
Although shoot in N2, not N1."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Now you point me at that, I agreeIn post 479, Aj The Epic wrote:With Medea, the reads list explanation was bad. I think I've already explained that. My initial thought was Tammy and Medea were in an interesting position of Medea asking questions when they were being the suspected and Tammy being really accusatory for page 3. There's also a lot of meta reads and conversation between Tammy/Medea so I just decided to not bother with it. The more recent posts from medea guide this read in it's entirety.
VOTE: Medea"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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With that vote, I'm going to play the classic flip-flop townIn post 542, Fate wrote:I wanted random to produce content thats all.
been busy, but my heart wasnt in that wagon as seen by other townies
VOTE: Medea
UNVOTE:"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I keep thinking this...
There are 4 mafiosos.
Which wagon would the mafio sheep?
I feel, more uneasy voting this game."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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The randomidget wagon gives me a moment of pause."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Which means that we are going to mislynch, right? How are we capable against 4 scum?
My mind shifts from "Which one is scum" to "Which town should I mislynch that gives the most information~ideally VT?"
And hopefully scores nice VCA in the future."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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There 13 players, it takes 7 players to lynch.
From those 7 player to lynch, it takes only 3 town to vote.
Scum has majority."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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We are a little bit desperate at this point.In post 551, Reflektor wrote:(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something)."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 555, Realeo wrote:
We are a little bit desperate at this point.In post 551, Reflektor wrote:(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).
Vig and GS really should consider shooting and gunning
Vig should shoot for more info.
GS should gun for a clear in potentialy D2 lylo."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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It's not about the scumhunting skill.
It's the fact that scum can have majority in the lynch wagon."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Here's my naive read list with extra analysis paralysis, Creature style
Gamma Emerald
Reflektor
randomidget
Lil Uzi Vert
Empking
Aj The Epic
BBMolla
shadonra
-Grey-
Fate
Persivul
Medea The Alien"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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It takes 7 to lynch, right?In post 560, Reflektor wrote:
Majority is 7. There are 4 scum.In post 559, Realeo wrote:It's not about the scumhunting skill.
It's the fact that scum can have majority in the lynch wagon.
We can have a lynch wagon of 4x mafia , 3x town. Town is inan implicitminority."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 24, Aj The Epic wrote:*insert snarky response about you just being bad*
There's really no point in worrying about D2 already. If Vig shoots tonight and misses, then we'll have to mass claim tomorrow. That's about all there is to it.Empking! BbMolla! Why don't you scumread this? Isn't this robotic~not scared of apocalyptic commet attack attitude"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Oh shoot. I forgot mod color.
@Mod: Why the hell GE is not replaced?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Can I get readlist from other player? If you're lazy, Creature style seems an good option."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Although {Ranger} style would be prefered."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Let's do it then
Persivul - I town read him for noticing the coincidental language choice, which influences me to err on Persivul the town.
-Grey- - When I restart the Medea wagon, he sheeps back--which is consistent. I am going to err to -Grey- the town.
Reflektor - At the beginning, he a little bit bother me. However, when he's start being explicit with his(they) thinking process and I can observe their logic, I feel better.
Fate - When I got meltdown from the paranoia, I keep thinking, "What would scum do?" In Newbies queue, there is this "Mafia won't start a wagon", but does this apply? I am expecting that since it is a 4 players mafia with higher assosiation chance, I think scum would be more "voting aware". I won't classify Fate as "voting aware"
shadonra - I'm still waiting to hear why he exactly scumread me...
Empking - I townread his case @ LuV, but I'm waiting for his bigger case at other players.
Aj The Epic - You know, how you feel about this slot. Contrived.Psstt. Does anyone want to lynch this slot? I'm down for it
Bbmolla - I actually forget about him. But I remember ending scumleaning him.
Madea - He gives me mixed feeling. I have Aj The Epic reasoning. I have my own reasoning. Decided to solve him D2.
LuV - This one is tricky.
@LuV: Why do you townread Aj?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Than why you said I'm shallow? What is a shallow setup-spec?
....or is it someone else?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 588, shadonra wrote:Why do you think Grey is town, again? I don't see consistency as being particularly AI, especially on day 1.
He said he scumread Medea~the same reason that I actually scumread Medea. He was on the randomidget wagon when I started Medea wagon. When I started, he rejoined Medea wagon.
It is possible that I'm over-rating consistency at this stage of the game, but I still believe that scum has higher-than-normal incentive to mislynch and has incentive for easy mislynch. I feel -Grey- did not take the path."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Good point =/
Would you mind to share your readlist?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: Medea
I don't reckon I will be hoping out of the wagon anymore."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Assuming no CC.
VOTE: Empking"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: AJ"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ty. My brain is a disaster in this game."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VOTE: BbMolla
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Molla is at L-1."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So stop playing AtE and give the claim. It should be obvious by this point."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Why you unvoted? He didn't claim anything.
24 hours left. Make up your mind?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I cannot imagine this post even remotely persuasive.In post 663, shadonra wrote:
IMO this is the best case on anyone today. Otherwise I wouldn't be voting grey.In post 604, shadonra wrote:Let's get a grey wagon.
#350: Claims Persivul is shade throwing. Actually it's Grey that's throwing shade; I think Persivul is unlikely to throw shade by making a weird leap of logic like Grey is assuming.
#365: I think this post is bizarre. Two ways I could take this; you're either scumreading AJ or you think the quoted post is supertown. Butyou don't vote AJand I don't think the quoted post is supertown.
Oh, you are scumreading AJ. OK, but why no vote?
Eh. If Grey is town:
1) He's confbiased pretty hard on Persivul
2) He didn't vote a bunch of scumreads (persivul, aj)
3) He's voted Medea, which I don't think has a good case on it, and Grey hasn't provided much of a case either.
Grey - why do you think Medea is scum over AJ and Persivul, particularly AJ, over whose vote you're willing to townclear bbmolla?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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So the best away to avoid being lynch is by saying "fuck everyone".
Man, I should try that when I'm being lynched."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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How does empking town when the last time I checked his iso is he is obsessed with LuV?In post 680, shadonra wrote:for me the townest person in those 5 names is either empking or randommidget, it's close, but i feel like no one in the game is townreading all of those 4 on the right"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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The one that catch my attention is randomidget unvoting for no reason.
AJ is being lynched right? So -Grey- bus AJ if AJ flips scum?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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12 hours.In post 740, shadonra wrote:Hammer without discussion is scumclaim"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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No.
We have a ML.
With 4 mafia in the game, I am banking on VCA."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ye. With a Godfather in play. How smart.In post 749, shadonra wrote:We can trade a ML for an extra night of 2 townclears or guilties. Come on.
(Obviously this is sarcasm : ON)"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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VCA relies on flip. With no flip, I cannot decide if it's wisdom of the crowd or scum sheeping.In post 750, shadonra wrote:Also, you can do VCA at L-1."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Cop turns as guilty for gunsmith.
I appreciate your optimism but no."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Empking, who talked nothing at LuV suddenly vote at Aj. What is this?In post 757, shadonra wrote:
Do you think AJ is towncleared now?In post 753, Realeo wrote:
VCA relies on flip. With no flip, I cannot decide if it's wisdom of the crowd or scum sheeping.In post 750, shadonra wrote:Also, you can do VCA at L-1.
randomidget, suddenly unvoted when Bbmolla barked. What is this?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Unless you are suggesting Empking bus Aj, I don't think so.Empking could easily be scum"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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