Mini 1936: Yume's Cutsie U-Pick (Town Win!)
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(Which is why I'm damage control. <3)In post 664, The Wood Cutters wrote:(I do apologize for that tho. The restriction is great and it's hilarious and it's perfect, but a side-effect of it is that we have a huge explosion of posts in that I need to fluff things up far more than normal. Which, fortunately, I do anyway. )-
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In post 659, The Wood Cutters wrote:GINNGIE.
WE HAVE A POSTING RESTRICTION.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE SUBTLE IN REMINDING YOU BUT LIKE.
I'M RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAY.In post 660, Dioscuri wrote:I feel like the best ticket you have to reading me is to read how I form my stances.In post 657, The Wood Cutters wrote:
nope, because you've played long enough with me that I don't care about your defense, I care about your offense.In post 656, Dioscuri wrote:Did you just ignore the first part of that post?-
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Hey!In post 666, Dioscuri wrote:It also makes it impossible for me to tell which head is talking because I know mastin to be the one to always use emojis
I go without a plenty!
...When I choose to anyway.
...And I just never choose to.
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One of these is not like the othersIn post 670, The Wood Cutters wrote:In post 659, The Wood Cutters wrote:GINNGIE.
WE HAVE A POSTING RESTRICTION.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE SUBTLE IN REMINDING YOU BUT LIKE.
I'M RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAY.In post 660, Dioscuri wrote:I feel like the best ticket you have to reading me is to read how I form my stances.In post 657, The Wood Cutters wrote:
nope, because you've played long enough with me that I don't care about your defense, I care about your offense.In post 656, Dioscuri wrote:Did you just ignore the first part of that post?-
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V my man.
You're great and all that but.
If you don't do something soon.
We're lynching your ass.
Just thought you should know. <3-
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Ari is a kind enough mod that he willIn post 686, Dioscuri wrote:WAIT
IF THAT NICKNAME RESTRICTION IS STILL IN EFFECT I AM SUPER FUCKED AREN'T Iprobablygrant leniency. There was valid room to believe the restriction was over so he probably won't immediately enforce it prior to a certain point.
Ideally, he'd go "I'll let those prior to this point slide thanks to the ambiguity, but from now-on, yes it is in fact still in effect" or something to that effect, so hopefully you're good.
Regardless of your alignment, this would be a shitty way to leave the game. <3-
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I thought that was the cue to take them off though?In post 693, The Wood Cutters wrote:oh varsity is here, looks like I have to put my pants back on.
Fuck.
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Sorry V, but you're on your own there. <3
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BtwAlisaewe may have some value in your role, since thereisa chance of you being town.
Basically I think that you targeting us might be optimal, because of ~reasons you know or if not can guess easily knowing your role~, though note that this is something I thought of on my own; I'm running my thoughts through my partners now. <3
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I mean this by the way. There was something I thought which would make you targeting us a really good idea.In post 705, The Wood Cutters wrote:Forget what I said, I didn't remember a particular detail which would make my plan a bad idea.
...But I forgot about something which I realized made you targeting us a really bad idea. Don't ask, since it'd involve outting your role. <3-
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This was the biggest let down of the century
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What did I do wrong?In post 709, The Wood Cutters wrote:This was the biggest let down of the century
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Those who can't read the difference between our hydra heads.In post 721, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh, also, one more thing: TWC, if you don't start signing your fucking posts I will camp my vote on you until the end of time, even in the face of proof that you're town.. Seriously. It's already irritating enough figuring out WHO people are talking about without it being difficult to discern who is talking in the first place, especially when there's more than one of you on at a time.
Don't deserve to know the difference between our hydra heads.
Seriously we've got three very distinct posting styles. We also tend to have a high level of unity within our hydra overall. (We do have our differences and they do come out.) What one head says, the others almost always back.
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(Basically the actions of one hold weight of the all. So does it really matter? Does it really matter if it's mastina, Ginngie, or Nacho posting? We are the same slot. We are also conftown. There's no need for meta, there's no need for player-specific tells. You can ask questions to a specific head--and then that head when they get around to it will post. You can interact with one head specifically...and then that one head will intervene. You will not see mastina respond to a post aimed at Ginngie pretending to be Ginngie; you will not see Ginngie respond to a post directed at mastina pretending to be mastina. You may see us online at the same time. You may see us posting content at the same time. You may see us respond to the same post more than once thanks to different heads. But does it honestly matter? Why no. No it fucking doesn't. So no. I absolutely will not sign unless the mod forces that restriction on us. Which I'd hope he wouldn't. <3)-
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Dead serious.In post 723, Reasonably Rational wrote:VOTE: TWC
This isn't leaving, unless drixx can come up with some very good reason why it should. I fucking loathe hydra play like that. It's the sort of behavior that make people not want to play with hydras, and I'd rather not play with you if you're going to be like that.
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If people have problems with hydras who don't sign.
That's their fucking problem and they're being assholes.
Hydras don't need to sign.
I will defend their right not to sign.
Why should we sign to give you something you should already have?
It's not that hard to tell the difference between posting styles of us three.
And if they blend together--that's a fuckinggoodthing. If you can't tell the difference then either you suck or the difference is so small that thehydra has effectively blended together. If the hydra has blended together. Then it is being united. Then it is being together. Then it is easy for one of them to speak for the all. It means there's no room for hydra dissonance. It means there are no excuses to be had for having those dividing opinions. And guess what? We mostly don't.
Well we do but we're talking the differences out in our PT. In-thread we've basically had a consistent narrative the whole game, a consistent front. I will riff on Ginngie a plenty--but I do so as part of our posting restriction only, in that Ginngie when she is worked up forgets we have it and I need to postsomethingin order to keep us within our posting restriction's limits. So you'll see me go, "GINNGIE CALM DOWN", but that's not hydra dissonance; I'm still backing Ginngie. It's instead me recognizing we have a restriction and I need to enforce it to prevent the consequences from having not done so. (And no I will not elaborate there. )-
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Basically.
The motivation for signing.
Is for hydra dissonance purposes more or less.
We have none.
No real dissonance in-thread at least.
We are very largely one unit, together. So does it matter who is posting?
Fuck no it doesn't.
Hydras done right don't need to sign.
You can do a hydra right and have it sign.
You can do a hydra wrong and have it not sign.
You can do a hydra wrong with it signing too for that matter though that's not relevant.
In every hydra I've been in I've never signed.
And I never will short of mod-enforcement because signing is something you do willingly, which you do because you choose to do.
Not because some assholes think it's the way things "should" be done.
I have nothing against people who choose to sign. I fully support them, even.
I have something against people who insist it should be mandatory to sign.
Because signing is a fucking CHOICE.
Not a requirement.
And I choose not to. Because signing is something which shouldn't need to be done unless it serves a purpose--and in every hydra I've ever played in, no purpose would be served in signing least of all because my posting style is very very very very very much my own and you'd have to be an idiot to not be able to tell it's me posting.-
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i mean on Varsupials endIn post 710, The Wood Cutters wrote:
What did I do wrong?In post 709, The Wood Cutters wrote:This was the biggest let down of the century
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"voting out of annoyance instead of a scum read tends to come from scum"In post 723, Reasonably Rational wrote:VOTE: TWC
This isn't leaving, unless drixx can come up with some very good reason why it should. I fucking loathe hydra play like that. It's the sort of behavior that make people not want to play with hydras, and I'd rather not play with you if you're going to be like that.
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mastina has been talking to you about signing posts lmfaoIn post 729, Reasonably Rational wrote:Because the other head has been. That means theres a clear, discernible difference between the two of you, that is implicit in your posts and their signature or lack thereof, rather than being reliant upon the readers ability to recognize each individuals posting style.
You're also less of an arrogant <insert expletive here> than mastin, so there's that too.
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Why should I sign just because you ask me to?In post 726, Reasonably Rational wrote:People who don't sign for their hydras when someone else requests that they do so are selfish assholes who should NEVER get what they want. It's fucking EASY to sign. So fucking easy that NOT doing it when it costs you so little, and could help someone else, is incredibly shitty.
Because you want it?
Why should I sign when I don't want to sign?
What purpose is there in signing?
What point does it serve?
You are asking me to sign for the sake of signing.
Fuck. that. shit.
If you have reason for asking the signing, then put it forward.
And then from that we could judge things but most likely the answer would be an explanation for why we are continuing not to sign. We would address the concern politely and respectfully while still refuting it.
But there is zero reason to do it because a player asks it.
Especially when there is zero incentive to have done so.
We gain nothing from doing it.
So no. Not signing.
Signing is a choice.
Signing is something you can do if you want to.
But not signing is a perfectly viable alternative.
Especially when what I said still holds true.
If you can't tell the difference between heads.
Then the difference between heads doesn't fucking matter.
If you DO know the difference between heads.
Then you don't need to sign.
So signing is something which serves no point. It is something which hydras are more than free to do voluntarily. If they think it does good to other players, power to them that's their perspective, their viewpoint, their choice, and hey I'm fine with that.
But signing is something which you just don't need.
Those who can't tell the difference have no use for the data which analyzing differences could give. If you're not familiar enough with mastina to tell it is mastina posting, then you're not familiar enough with mastina to analyze mastina's posts. It's that simple. It really is. You can't tell, you don't need to. You can tell, you don't have to ask. So asking players to sign is absolute bullshit.-
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Oh.In post 730, The Wood Cutters wrote:
i mean on Varsupials endIn post 710, The Wood Cutters wrote:
What did I do wrong?In post 709, The Wood Cutters wrote:This was the biggest let down of the century
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okay cerb, you told me in RFB you faked showing emotion in mafia games so people didn't think you were souless lmao, so you getting mad is petty?In post 736, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Fuck off, you know scum!me is perfectly capable of constructing a fucking reason to vote for you if I gave a shit about that. This is a matter of principle. I lack the words to describe just how much your behavior aggravates me.In post 733, The Wood Cutters wrote:
"voting out of annoyance instead of a scum read tends to come from scum"In post 723, Reasonably Rational wrote:VOTE: TWC
This isn't leaving, unless drixx can come up with some very good reason why it should. I fucking loathe hydra play like that. It's the sort of behavior that make people not want to play with hydras, and I'd rather not play with you if you're going to be like that.
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Also I'm going to pull a nacho here and say it's really pointless to argue about signing posts. What we need to do is get back to the game and actually discuss it, rather than a few characters.
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maybe we are on the same wavelength ~~~~In post 739, Dioscuri wrote:Okay this signing discussion is stupid now.
P-edit: read post above you
P-edit 2: YAH LEAVE ME OUT TO DRY OKAY-
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Oh so you're not even doing this for YOUR sake but for the imagined sake of some hypothetical other player?In post 742, Reasonably Rational wrote:it's just irritating that you think it's okay to make the other x people in the game have to figure that out, when you could JUST FUCKING SIGN.
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I do this all the time it's okay <3In post 751, Reasonably Rational wrote:And not going to sleep apparently even though I'm exhausted because I let myself get drawn into a petty, stupid conversation.-
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Thank goodness for that. <3In post 800, Aristophanes wrote:Loophole found!
I did not warn them after 5 transgressions, so I will grant them 4 more. I warned them at their 9th.
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Oh my fucking god if you don't prove your IC you are deader than dead.
You the hydra who never votes and is extremely cautious with their votes and who has VERY GOOD REASON TO BE AFRAID OF HAMMERING ACCIDENTALLY (having yourselves been the victim of an accidental hammer).
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And you have us to thank for that.In post 826, Varsoon wrote:Paddy is confirmed town to me.
I am confirmed town to Paddy. I am also confirmed town to Sapphy. Sapphy is confirmed town to me, as well. We all three can confirm.
At this point we can confirm that we did indeed tell a lie.
We, personally, are not masons.
Sapphire, our partner, is. They claimed this to us D1. Rather, they claimed 1x masonizer. Thanks to our role, we can't be masonized but even if we could that would be highly redundant given we have a neighborhood which effectively IS a masonry. The only two inside of it are our two hydras.
So when I said that I did not believe the logical duo was town off of their IC claim, I was telling a half-truth. I did not believe the game could have an IC on top of the masonizer. (No, Dr. Doom/Cerb, I wouldnothave fucking counterclaimed you just for having a neighborhood. I was legit in knowing we had masons and thus thinking your role was unlikely.)
As this point, you've got a townbloc of Our Dear Host (conftown to V) + V (conftown via masonry) + Sapphire and, indirectly, us (via a bunch of reasons that Sapphire can go more into, but basically my loves and our hydra have been essentially a masonry anyway given exactly what we HAVE gone through). Now that's notquiteenough to win the game on its own right now. We've got 9 alive and in order to lock in a town win we need a fifth conftown. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, we've got it fairly close.
All we need is for Sapphire to convey to V the happenings of our topic, and then for V to convey the happenings to Our Dear Host. Then, everything will make sense.
We've got a pool of five names for scum.
Jared, The Game Decider, The Bringer of Fire, The OTHER RR, and Dio.
Oh and by the way, we're all pretty sure Jared is town. Like, nearly universally sure, Jared is town.
So we've got basically a guaranteed win at this point.
VOTE: Dio.
This is our universal scumread and really Dio is just obviously scum at this point.-
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You are indeed. <3In post 827, Varsoon wrote:But, basically, in short, we three should be confirmed mechanically by this.
And we really do have the game won if you can trust us to be town. Sapphire can convey to you the reasons why we should be trusted as town role-wise, but aside from our role-related reasons for being town there's just a bunch of reasons we're town by play, too. Us four together can basically lynch a player by ourselves; we just need one vote from a player and it won't take much for the town players in the POE pool (aside from potentially some of the more stubborn ones) to realize we've got an autowin, a lock-town thing.-
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The Bringer of Fire, I am going to be blunt here.
If you are scum don't fucking spam the thread. You've basically lost the game but that's no excuse to make us miserable in the process.
If you are town, then don't fuck this up. Take a look at Dio's iso. It is scum every step of the way. And then also trust in the players in this game. Dio is one of our three scum. It's possible albeit incredibly improbable we have dead scum in the form of either the logical duo or random but for the sake of both safety and probability we're assuming three scum alive and thus two others out there aside from Dio.
Now personally I'm outvoted on my partners on this (which is why this is a PT-only read) but the OTHER RR has been my personal suspicion for a second.
Yet regardless of whether I'm right or wrong there is almost assuredly another scum. (Two if I am wrong.)
And that pool is The Decider Of Games, You, and Jared. For 1-2 scum.
No, I don't expect you to immediately trust us from the get-go.
But I expect you to trust the other players in the game. Sapphire is made up of BOTH my girlfriends. BOTH who can read me. BOTH who have extensive experience reading Ginngie. BOTH who have extensive experience with Nacho. We can't fool them. And if you read the game even if you came to hate our posting because yeah it's a mastina hydra of course you're going to hate our posting (and you might not like Ginngie either), you'd still realize that no matter your personal opinion on the play, it is townplay through and through.
You can take as much time as you need. But if you're town you replaced into an auto-win; if you're scum you replaced into an auto-lose. It's about that simple. <3-
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Do tell because via your roleclaim to Sapphire we know your role.
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(This is the kind of thing that I pointed out to my partners for why I think the other RR is the second scum since this kind of discrediting conftown is what scum need to stand a chance here. They literally lose the game if they can't mislynch a conftown player. But unless my partners' stances change on the subject I have to keep this to myself for the most part. )In post 839, Radical Rat wrote:Well there'd better be a damn good explanation for him claiming and not sharing a guilty.
Also...
@Modstophanes: Is your interpretation of mason confirmed Town, or only confirmed Not Mafia?
My counteRRpart's death most likely means they really were an IC, and scum shot before they could activate it. That makes three mod confirmed players, plus Varsity Bassoon who can apparently confirm more.
That is far too much conftown for one game, and something fishy's gotta be going on here.-
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You have no clue how ticked off my babe was when my lover claimed that to you. Suffice to say my lover regretted it later, but no matter. We knew how to plan around you knowing and to make sure the masonize succeeded. I can't wait for my partners to be around because they are just going to be so giddy about this all. <3In post 842, Dioscuri wrote:they told me so night 1 :3-
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You can vote Dio then.In post 845, Firebringer wrote:All I have read was of the lynch yesterday so my only scumread is Dioscuri who was the scummiest person from that.
All this shit about confirms is nonsense and role interactions is stupid and distracting.
Dio is living breathing scum.
The confirmation shit as you put it isn't nonsense--it is important because not fucking it up by lynching conftown locks the game down in an autowin. But you are right that it shouldn't be the focus of the day. The focus of the day should be lynching scum in the POE pool. Or rather lynching Dio because even if we didn't have the game POEd down Dio's obvscum, so.
(Also in case you hadn't noticed we have a posting restriction so. That's one reason we type this way and it will get on your nerves eventually. )-
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We lied to protect Sapphire.In post 855, Radical Rat wrote:The gays and lumberjacks I presume. Since evidently they lied
We knew Sapphire's role and we made plans around it to help ensure it'd succeed.
The townbloc gets to know exactly what we did.
Those outside of the townbloc will have to trust the townbloc to be well-informed when they are told what we did.
Because once Sapphire spills the beans to V, and V communicates to Our Lovely Host, then everything will make sense to them.-
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You couldn't get away with that because executing a mason would've been a 100% scumclaim.In post 905, Dioscuri wrote:If I was scum you know dam well I would just execute Jae.
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For what it's worth Ali might actually be telling the truth if the logical duo had the role we think they did.
I guessed immediately off of D1 that they had a modified version of a Nexus.
It's possible that Ali did indeed target the logical duo, but if the logical duo's role works similar to ours (in that ours does not specify night actions but ANY actions), then Ali could indeed have targeted the logical duo and ended up on someone else.
This wouldn't be reason for Ali to be town tho.
The opposite in fact; the redirection off of the logical duo would mean Ali had no excuse for jailkeeping them and would be able to freely kill them without suspicion.
It doesn't particularly matter either way tho. Made up, telling the truth, either way Dio is still scum.-
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<3In post 933, Sappho wrote:
King was in our masonize pool so yes they have interest. Reach harder.In post 923, Dioscuri wrote:King is scum just because of PoE, but also TWC as town would care about the inactive slots and would want them to produce content. They have 0 interest in that.
(I was actually one of the main people to propose targets and how viable they would be. V was always one of my top preferences but the decider of games was another option, as was Rei who is now the bringer of fire. Keeping in mind that we knew that we were going to get either conftown or a hard unambiguous 100% guilty, so.)-
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And you targeted them knowing they had 'crumbed Nexus...why?In post 935, Dioscuri wrote:They crumbed nexus to me in hood.-
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- Joined: March 27, 2017
Fire, Gin here.In post 910, Firebringer wrote:I want to lynch wood cutters for shit reasons here.
2/3 people you love in the hydra.
I'm at college now and full time social and academic so I'm around less but don't use anger at mastina, assuming that's the shit reason.
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