Mini 1966: A Howl At Midnight Blitz (Game Over)

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scum don't deserve correct speling

VOTE: mako harukiwa

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Vote Count

drealmerz7 - 5

(RedFlavor, randomidget, Tchill13, mutantdevle, Kokichi Oma)

mutantdelve - 4

(Radical Rat, Srceenplay, Maki Harukawa, WhemeStar)

TChill13 - 1

(Fresh)

Not Voting

- Desperado, drealmerz7, Dunnstral

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline:

(expired on 2017-11-27 00:00:00)

Huh, what happened here..... I'll read tomorrow

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UNVOTE:

I was just messing with you, I'll let you live a few more phases

Yaaaay another wagon I can jump on! Nothing suspicious here

VOTE: Maki

VOTE: kokichi

Hook, line and sinker.

VOTE: Tchill

I'm not really feeling either of these as votes from this exchange

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VOTE: Tchill
I'm fine with this

Why are you?

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VOTE: Tchill13

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A hider died so that means they hid behind scum right

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Yeah, which is wheme.

Do you think he hid behind wheme or are you just saying wheme is scum?

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Hold on, I'm not so sure mutant would have hid behind wheme. I mean, he voted wheme yesterday, why would he hide behind someone he thought was scum?

Unfortunately I don't see any other indication of who he could have hid behind, I don't think he ever indicated this for some reason.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see what happens here

Hopefully nothing

Didn't you hear? I'm not mafia!

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VOTE: Wheme

Bad Maki. Don't you think it doesn't make sense to hide behind someone you fos?

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I don't know. I'm pretty sure he didn't soft it. That doesn't take away from him probably not targeting Wheme.

We shouldn't lynch off hider speculation today

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Fyi: Hider still hid behind scum so I don't know why that's out the window in considerations here

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Police chief sounds like the cop captain

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma

You think the hider hid behind Kokichi?

Not necessarily, I think Kokichi pushing that he hid behind wheme yesterday and coming into today pushing that srceen is scum for being cop on the police chief flip is suspect

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So randomidget then?

Didn't even know he was in this game

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Isn't police captains role to conf cop checks...

Is that actually true..?

Um, No, Pretty sure police captain is a custom role here, though captain is an actual role and srceen claimed somebody told him to target somewhere (that was Fresh). Police captain is just flavor for a captain who controls... just srceen I guess

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Captain

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Who replaced redflavor?

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hi Maki no sr's Maki sheep baaaa

Hey Maki.

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I mean srceen's role adds up to me, I believe that fresh was a captain who gave an order of some sort to srceen. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean srceen is town or confirmed either, but it's not like their role can't exist - they're not actually an investigative

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I didn’t receive orders for the first night. Is it possible mutant did?

Fresh would have claimed that, though, and he didn't

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I was reading through Mutant's ISO. Do you believe Wheme was the mostly likely person for him to hide behind or perhaps Tchill?

Hold on, I'm not so sure mutant would have hid behind wheme. I mean, he voted wheme yesterday, why would he hide behind someone he thought was scum?

This.

Maybe?

No, he didn't want to vote wheme. And wheme flipped town so...

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Anyone else bothered by tchill's lack of announcing L-1?

*raises hand*

I suppose that as well.


Anyone ever play with a captain before?
Are they exclusively with cop?

This isn't a role soft

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But I do think scum are letting town kill themselfs. Maybe one is pushing us in the wrong direction.

Like kokichi?

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we've had 2 prs claim on day 1 which is awful. lets please speed lynch someone here. (im town but if yall choose me so be it).

I like this post and it the slot doesn’t feel like scum to me.

I’ll definitely vote there for survival but I don’t think they should be the lynch.

What...

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the fact I haven't been pushed yet is amazing

Sorry, been busy with school but.... Scumclaim???????

oh yes 100% this is my claiming scum you got me

Why should we pushing you if you're Town?

I expected to be pushed because I'm doing nothing.

You're not doing nothing, you're ignoring sound points that pointed towards both whemestar and now srceenplay being town and hop on the bandwagon near deadline. I'm not really scumreading you but you're sure playing like you're scum.

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^No

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VOTE: whemestar
regardless of hider stuff, his reaction to kokichi's push has been absolutely awful.

#VC please.

Happy with TChill, midget and Kokichi today.

Srceenplay why did you back off your midget push from yesterday?

Iirc they claimed vig. I thought it would be self confirmed.

no?
VOTE: srceenplay
we can't let this live until LyLo

This is probably a wolf

VOTE: Wheme

VOTE: screen o well

Idk but the more I think about it why would Maki just vote mislynches without having any opinions as town? She ignored me too.

VOTE: wheme

Sheeping kokichi here.

VOTE: screenplay

I know I just said no but I didn't see these votes, yeah this can be scum too.

Okay so yeah. We lynch Wheme and then we lynch Srceen. Wheme was likely who he hid behind. And Srceen is mafia because we don't have a cop AND a hider. When a hider is basically a cop.

Has been pushing the wrong things all game and people have been sheeping him without saying anything, so either he's the scum ringleader or the entire scum team is following his wrong reads and setting up to say it's his fault.
Kokichi, what do you think about the Neopolitan claim now that a tracker has flipped? Are you going to say that's impossible too?

VOTE: whemestar

you are not in the slighest semi-confirmed holy fuck

you can die just for saying that shit

VOTE: srceenplay

Like Kokichi, has been pushing these mislynches all game.

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tchill

tchill first, and then when he flips scum we lynch kokichi

Have you even been reading the game

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We're all prs...

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How is Tchill clear? You're a Neapolitan, right?

And yeah, look at srceenplay's role

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Read post 768

And ok, so tchill is friendly neighbor it sounds like, you kind of just outted him but that's alright. Who else received a message like that from tchill/tchill who were your targets

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tchill being cleared helps, that leaves random, maki, kokichi, drealmerz for voting on both wheme and srceen, the first two without much of any reason at all, the latter two pushing it heavily

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Nope, we're not lynching randomly or lynching off shoddy reasoning again, it's mylo, we're mass claiming and then figuring something out after that - that's my vote

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kokichi
randommidget
maki
drealmerz
desperado
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and then if needed:
Wh4t
Tchill

Top to bottom that's my proposed ordering

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I like my order a lot better than drealmerz, I want random to weigh in next

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If you received a message saying tchill is town, you can claim that now. Or say that you haven't. I want to check something.

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I didn't get a message like that

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Here is where I'm at right now, possible scenarios:

1. Both the friendly neighbor and masons are real, there is 3 scum in Me, Maki, drealmerz, Desperado, Wh4t

2. The masons are scum fake claiming and are both scum (assuming random backs up the mason claim)

3. Wh4t and Tchill are scum fake claiming (assuming Tchill backs up what Wh4t says and no other living person has a report)

4. I'm missing something

Not commenting on hoiw likely each scenario is right now

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random is the next person to claim

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i'm p sure scum are keeping to their battlelines here. i think either I'm being roped along with the people pushing srceen or srceen is being defended by his buddies.

Random, if you back up the mason claim, what was the point of saying this? Why do you think it was possible you could have been roped into voting Srceenplay by scum when Kokichi was the one leading that wagon?

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4. I'm missing something

How do we know a mason isn't also the sleeper agent?

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@Kokichi, Random

Do your mason roles tell you that you

always

know when your partner is town? Or does it just tell you that they're town

at the start of the game

and leave it at that?

Basically, at least Kokichi was under the assumption that somebody was converted. Do you agree with this Random? If so, do you have a reason to believe it is not your partner? Do converted players keep their abilities - in this case, a mason neighborhood, while the alignment portion is a different aspect?

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hai

Hey, just iso me

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You need help catching up, right? I'd like you to see my posts

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It's too early to give up. I'm about to write a big post just sit tight

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Let's look over the events of this case one last time. At the start of the game, we are told it is 11 town members vs 2 wolves, we are additionally told that one of our own town members is a

sleeper agent

- they get converted to a wolf instead of being nightkilled when targeted at night. Kokichi and Random load into the game and they are town masons. Their role pms consist of two parts, the first tells them that they know the other is town at the start of the game, the second gives them access to a neighborhood. The first day ends in a no lynch for the town, Kokichi himself is a strong voice for the town, though he is misguided, he does back off once srceenplay claims cop. Here's where things get tricky: during the night, the wolves decide to kill Kokichi, but he is the

sleeper agent

. He still retains his previous abilities - he still knows that randommidget was town when the game began, and he still access to a neighborhood with randommidget. I'd bet the mason pm's

never say your partner cannot switch alignemnts.

This is an important piece of evidence.

At the start of day 2, Kokichi has just became a member of the wolves.

Up 'til now, he has been pushing things with a pro-town agenda.

But not anymore, he should know his partners at this point, and pushes, basically strongarms a whemestar lynch. He is scum now, and he has an important advantage to be played later. Similarly, on day 3, he strongarms a lynch on srceenplay. We're at the present now, day 4, everybody wants to vote Kokichi, but he claims mason. This is his trap -

if we lynch him, we falsely think randommidget is mafia with him

, otherwise,

we believe he is town with randommidget

. Either of these scenarios mean that town loses, we're in mylo after all. Kokichi started the game as a mason, but was hit and converted immediately and is now a wolf.

It makes sense if you think about it - it's a great counterbalance against masons claiming immediately. In this case, however, the masons didn't claim at all, which is fully unfortunate for us...
randommidget, can you refute any of this? I bet you overlooked the sleeper agent, didn't you?

Well, that's my theory. Are you guys gonna believe me? Can you refute this, Kokichi?

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Investigations can lead to different results if you have a suspect in mind

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that would explain the mafia not killing d1 and instead hitting the sleeper agent

...yes, but that's a bit detached from the argument I made. That would happen regardless of who was hit, but yes that is why I am assuming the sleeper agent was hit

That's a good theory, but we are town throughout it says. Any other theory?

@random Confirm this? Is my theory truly impossible?

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I think the sleeper was hit n1 regardless of your theory dunn

Maki... I know.

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who's dave?

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mutantdelve?

I don't think that's possible, unless he flat out didn't use his night action. Hider should be safe from night kills while behind town, unless that townie dies, then they both die. If they choose scum, they die outright, which appears to be what happened here.

Unless, somehow, he was behind the sleeper agent, and while the agent was hit and converted, the hider still died.

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mutant tchi kokichi in that order

HOLD UP

You jailkept mutant night 1?

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You are aware that whemestar was being lynched because people believed mutant hid behind whemestar, right?

You joined that wagon.

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No, you would have stopped him from hiding. Or am I mistaken?

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Except that doesn't explain how mutant died. You should have been protecting him. Would scum have really strongarm killed him? Your claim is... I need to figure some things out here. Like what happens when you roleblock a hider.

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Ok, I did some research

A hider should use their action before a roleblocker. So the jailkeep on mutant should mean nothing. It proves they didn't idle their visit, at least.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Resolution

Here is my source

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If he's jailkept, he'd still be alive. I'm 99% sure. So Maki might have just claimed scum. I will PM T-Bone asking this.

I don't think so. he would have probably been untargettable while hiding, meaning the jailkeep would do nothing.

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Maki, why did you claim out of order? And don't tell me it was because Kokichi asked you to, you just agreed with me saying he could be scum. That's not cleared up yet.

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I'm still talking about post 854, I'm waiting for random to get on and explain things.

if this game gets me killed because I'm a pr good riddance

We're all prs

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Here is where I'm at right now, possible scenarios:

1. Both the friendly neighbor and masons are real, there is 3 scum in Me, Maki, drealmerz, Desperado, Wh4t

2. The masons are scum fake claiming and are both scum (assuming random backs up the mason claim)

3. Wh4t and Tchill are scum fake claiming (assuming Tchill backs up what Wh4t says and no other living person has a report)

4. I'm missing something

Not commenting on hoiw likely each scenario is right now

Here were my other thoughts

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I don't think tchill can be the converted sleeper agent and still retain his ability to tell people he is town.

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mutant tchi kokichi in that order

Day 2? Maki is claiming to have jailkept you.

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Who did you target day 1?

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And this proves that Maki can at least roleblock

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I don't see the purpose of keeping it a secret?

It can help us look at that person's play in a new light, for one.

More importantly, If there's more than 1 person vouching for you I want to see it. To pretty much rule you out as a suspect.

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Did you or did you not target maki night 1?

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Wait, I think I know where this is going. I'll come back to you after the rest of the claims.

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i didnt target anyone N1

...ok, I thought you were going to say randommidget.

Why didn't you target anybody?

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I always would have thought I wouldn’t kill N1 as a vig as I wouldn’t consider my reads accurate enough. But since my role is now known I feel like I have to.

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OK, I want to claim last so desp/dreal go before me

Tchill's claim has me squinting my eyes but with the mason claim being fake it's also a lot more believable.

still a chance that kokichi and rando are scum together

Very likely not

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Kokichi/random, did you two start the game as lovers?

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What does your role do?

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If you ever targeted anyone include that

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Reverend Samuel Wilson, Motion Detector

Night 1 motion on Kokichi
Night 2 motion on Maki
Night 3 motion on tchill

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You guys don't have anything to comment on in regards to my claim? Let's look over the evidence again.

At the start of this day I pushed and succeeded in getting everybody to mass claim, I also wanted to go last. But what was the significance of this? What was my goal?

Here is a hint:

Investigations can lead to different results if you have a suspect in mind

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VOTE: no lynch

Wrong answer. Super wrong answer. You realize if the lovers are both town nolynching means we just lose? So... if you don't think the lovers are both town, you should be voting them.

Okay Maki, let me explain what I'm getting at. I wanted to see what everybody visited,

I saw motion on Kokichi night 1

, but nobody claims to have visited him. And he claimed a non-visiting role.

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I'll prob vote Desp or Kokichi 1 of those 2 are scum 100% of the time

Desp is a good candidate for scum. I have circumstantial evidence pointing to kokichi being the sleeper agent. It's either that or mafia targeted him and lied about their targets, or he performed an action himself. I think random is a town lover that will die with kokichi.

Dunn's prob scum given how he's acting around me and putting no care into reading me but I doubt I'll get support there

I'm not quite sure how to react to this, but for some reason you're calling me scum but are 'giving up' and going to vote what I'm pushing? Hmm...

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oh the lover claim is legit?

What does this mean?

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Reverend Samuel Wilson, Motion Detector

Night 1 motion on Kokichi
Night 2 motion on Maki
Night 3 motion on tchill

Any results from these?

Those are my results. I just see if somebody visits or was visited

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Or that you visited, yes, I'm saying one of those happened

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I didn't want anybody to fake a visit on you, that's also why I wanted you to go first.

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Nobody claimed doc

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Not shooting here is outright stupid

Wait hold on with the shooting - if we have to lynch the lover pair that means we're effectively in lylo even with 1 scum dying

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VOTE: desperado

I say just go ahead and shoot kokichi

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UNVOTE:

ok I'll wait for a shot too

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maki is scum unfortunately, started heavy pushing me out of nowhere and the rest of her reads don't make sense with me being scum

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We claimed desperado Maki

not day vig

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*He

That means that if his target is town, HE dies

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OH it ends the day? I thought we had an extra kill

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I think Kokichi is the sleeper and the motion I saw was the night kill on him.

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We have the same scumreads maki the way you're acting is confusing me

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@mod what would happen if Hider hid behind the town that could be converted to mafia last night?

I would like to know this too...so I'm gonna help you get your answer.

DA RULES:

14. I WILL NOT answer any questions concerning any of my posts in the thread. If you feel I made a mistake, you can point them out through PM. I will fix any mistakes that may exist quietly. If you have any questions about your role or game, PM me. If I can answer them I will as long as it does not compromise the game.

PM the mod.

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wait, those motions can be anything though, dunn

dead tracker or cop

The cop was on me night 1, the only other role could have been the tracker

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VOTE: Kokichi

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here's my plan:

I want to lynch the lovers today, inthat case DON'T SHOOT because there's 2 lovers and it's not impossible for random to be scum with kokichi town

Tomorrow we have drealmerz use his power on what we decide to lynch as a way to prove it

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And I've gone over why I think Kokichi is the lynch here

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The shot should be used on who we want to lynch today to clear drealmerz for LYLO if the lovers are telling the truth. If drealmerz refuses then we lynch him. Thoughts?

If drealmerz targets town and dies we lose because of the lovers, whether they're both town or 1 town 1 scum.

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i'm p sure scum are keeping to their battlelines here. i think either I'm being roped along with the people pushing srceen or srceen is being defended by his buddies.

Random, if you back up the mason claim, what was the point of saying this? Why do you think it was possible you could have been roped into voting Srceenplay by scum when Kokichi was the one leading that wagon?

Did random ever answer to this?

He didn't back up the mason claim

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UNVOTE:

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Huh? What are you talking about, you must be confused with another site/variant of the role, I don't believe lovers win together, they just both die at the same time

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VOTE: Maki Harukawa