Mini 1955: Perpetual MYLO III - Game Over!

[Lycanfire]

seriously wicked jfc if you're town and have forum mafia experience you know fucking better than to think that one lazy readslist remotely justifies a tunnel, especially when you're saying you have confidence that 2+ scum are voting you and you think 3

Trust me, I would feel much better about lynching one of the scum on my wagon. But my vote for kunkstar is more than just "he made a lazy reads list". It's more based on his willingness to lynch any of those five players when he isn't confident in them being scum.

the readslist isn't why i'm voting kunkstar. one of the reasons is his stated reason for townreading you.

i think this "willingness to lynch" point doesn't amount to much. it's common practice to PoE or put scumleans or even null reads into a 'will lynch' pile.

why is Wisdom scum?

also, would you wagon Brian?

[Lycanfire]

Hi maki, want to talk about reads? Consider than an invitation, because I want to talk about your reads and mine with you. Who should we lynch from your perspective? Why do you suspect kunk?

Sure I need something refreshing after reading Lycan and Wisdom's insanity who has outted no reason for there sr's yet expects us to follow

if the above scenario is true, then i honestly don't know what it is i could have done differently. if the above is true, Lycan will surely blame me for a loss. at this point, it doesn't matter to me what he says in post.
why's Diamond town? there needs to be a reason that doesn't include "Chara is scum".
an explanation for the change in your Maki read is also needed, that doesn't include "Chara is scum", because i am frankly sick of that justification from you. did all of your rhetoric abour scum Maki just fly away in the wind?
if you were a player like Kaede, i wouldn't be questioning it this hard. if you were a player like me. but you're you, and i've seen how you work this game, so where do you decide it's your right to be followed when you were wrong on Dunnstral, wrong on me, and apparently you've decided you were wrong on Maki too?

[Lycanfire]

Scum get 48hr to talk in either case. If people don't think I'm the right lynch then what the fuck has gone on for the day period?

[Lycanfire]

With respect to Chara's paranoia on the matter, if Maki isn't scum Kaede is. I floated that at start of day 2 and earned silence for my effort. Maybe it bore fruit with the day 3 slapfight-I glanced over it and wasn't interested i what Chara was saying until Kaede practically screamed murder in the thread over it. Seemed like an attempt to get peoples attention tbh. The sacrifice here will be interesting.

Kaede is never getting lynched. If you believe her to be scum, you'll need to lynch her partner today, and I would suggest your best hope at that is to vote Diamond now even if you don't believe he's scum. Better some chance than none.

I don't vote town

[Lycanfire]

You were being scum

[Lycanfire]

I think my post about all teams having Chara went right into the trash

[Lycanfire]

Telling me to vote Kaede's partner when I was already voting Chara and then vote switching to Maki is odd. Esp. considering you tried to townread both in your wall. Dissonance from being told that isn't possible? Maybe, but if you're wrong on Maki, Chara gets sacrificed and you lose lylo. Why change.

[Lycanfire]

What if we just no lynch twice here instead of tomorrow

Then we would lose the game for refusing to lynch Chara.

[Lycanfire]

two NL is a loss

[Lycanfire]

Good thing I didn't say one.

[Lycanfire]

Too bad that Chara can't lynch Maki.

[Lycanfire]

I know it's painful but I do think we should take at least the one NL here because we're just rushing even though none of us have a clue.

i have a very good clue. it's not Shuichi nor is it Kaede.
at least if we lynch Lycan here it'll mean he can't lose the game for us later.
it's Diamond/Maki.

I wish I had your confidence.

Talk with Chara's mom. Key to getting scum lynches.

[Lycanfire]

Here's why I truly think Diamond is scum.

If he's not, two of you are playing unreal games of the century. If he is, only one obscenely good game is required.

Still don't get the suggestion that scum are playing well. Maybe if I was quick hammered I would have said something nice.

Ignoring your opinions on Chara and Kaede, if Diamond is scum with Maki, then his partner has admitted to not reading the thread on several occasions only to say dumb stuff.

(Pointing that out makes Chara sad for some reason. Sucks when your partner wants to replace out 24/7)

[Lycanfire]

You wrote a giant post about how mean I am earlier in day when I pointed out that Maki was no efforting again

[Lycanfire]

Lycan talked on me talking to dimond and dunn dif and when I brought up valid points dunn and him both just plugged there ears

You can tell by my votes that I'm not considering you and Diamond anymore, but rather than everything I had said still being valid, this is absolutely not a wolf post, instead it is clear that the blood vessel that had burst in your brain has stopped any critical thinking.

it's a correct post. you didn't have any worthwhile justification for why Maki would treat a player she knows well differently from Diamond.

invariably, you don't understand the meaning of agreeing to disagree. if someone does not meet your standards of critical mafia play, mafia theory, they are scum or an idiot. if they don't play along, they're the ones who are trying not to work with you. there's no way to win except by playing within your narrow view.
you

still

maintain you were correct to call Viomi town as she was lynched.
at least those of us who thought Wicked was town can admit a misread. you can't even do that. you call a day 1 scum lynch a mistake. it's infuriating.

this doesn't apply if you're scum, and it's likely a bad idea to post because it doesn't help the game and is probably wrong in some parts because my memory has altered chains of events. oh well.
in the end i'm annoyed by your constant insults to the intelligence of other players. if you're scum i don't care. i find it a viable strategy to insult the intelligence of arguments. if you're town, it's alienating anyone who

would

have followed your doomed push on me.

Nah it was about Maki. The end conclusion was "stop trying to lynch me" though.

[Lycanfire]

It's not like I can trust you with the hammer with how poorly you have used it all game.

[Lycanfire]

Your options aren't binary. Playing scum's game for them does not interest me.

[Lycanfire]

Revealing my read on Kaede that Chara has stewed over all day was my lylo gift. I'd place more credit to a Chara Maki team.

[Lycanfire]

Your options aren't binary. Playing scum's game for them does not interest me.

no, but voteparking on town so we can get no lynches besides you is your life's work.

Yeah when I died on day 3 I had to contact fferyllt over how little sense the script made.

[Lycanfire]

i'm trying, Kaede. i don't know what else to say. i'll help you lynch Lycan if you want to because i don't think we can win while he's alive anyway.

[Lycanfire]

weren't you refusing to lynch maki like 5 minutes ago

If this was directed to me I thought my reasoning made sense:

1) i offered teams to guarantee chara sacrifice
2) you told me to lynch kaede's partner
3) (i was)
4) you switched from chara to maki
5) i asked what motivated you to do that

[Lycanfire]

Lycan, if you don't vote Maki in your next post i will hammer you. no hard feelings.

pedit: i'm aware Lycan isn't scum, Shuichi. i don't know what else to do. he's only scum if you are and you are not scum.

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[Lycanfire]

DiamondSentinel was killed Night 4. He was Mafia.

yes.

obviously.

there is no reason to think he's town. i don't understand why you think this, Kaede. are you not townreading Shuichi?

Getting a scumteam out of Kaede with those reads oh boy.

[Lycanfire]

Haven't seen you do anything productive in awhile, welcome back

[Lycanfire]

I was going to say something similar to Shuichi earlier but I was too caught up reading thread to be snarky

[Lycanfire]

Lycan what does that post mean? i can't tell what you're saying i'm doing.

A better question is pulling scum from kaede's mouth than asking her about Shuichi's viability

I mean after all you want Maki Diamond... what are you doing

[Lycanfire]

srs question do people have fun playing this set up would love to know

At least people are actively waffling opposed to doing it over the course of a week. I'm enjoying the game more, tbh.

[Lycanfire]

srs question do people have fun playing this set up would love to know

At least people are actively waffling opposed to doing it over the course of a week. I'm enjoying the game more, tbh.

[Lycanfire]

Pedit hell

[Lycanfire]

Diamond if you're somehow town could you just. do your best and be active instead of reactive.

I'm working on it, but right now, there's a massive lack of anything that I can particularly work with. Lycan's scummy, needs to go. Everyone except you is scummy in some capacity, so it's just varying levels. But luckily, we just need 1 scum lynch and to me, that's obviously Lycan. So let's lynch him and go home. Do I need to waste my time ISO diving again?

Yes

[Lycanfire]

I mean after all you want Maki Diamond... what are you doing

trying to get a lynch on either is what i'm doing.

You're not trying hard to push Maki's viability. If it's Diamond who is his partner? Kaede already outlined she only cared about the self vote. Smash it or bring a bigger rock. It's not hard. Bringing up Shuichi is won't get her to consider other options.

[Lycanfire]

Diamond: can you explain your reads on Kaede Chara and Maki?

I'll reconvene in 60-90 minutes and again some time before DL timer

[Lycanfire]

How did you fuck that up Shuichi

[Lycanfire]

No idea why people were hating on the setup. It was like a jewel in a sewer.

[Lycanfire]

Ya d4 did not go down how scum wanted it to :smug:

[Lycanfire]

Mulch gave it away though. Part of me is happy that I didn't push that angle again because there wouldn't have been worthwhile to get the third point that way.

[Lycanfire]

D1 scumteam lacked enough charisma to compete with the town. Killing the weaker slot was likely the worst decision to salvage the situation. Wicked should have been quickhammered, but Mulch wanted to combat town power by using Michael to tale over day phase.

[Lycanfire]

Lycan ended up being more of an obstacle to me than scum was this game. :<
i recognize i was an unwitting obstacle to it, too. i still don't really understand why it was convinced i was scum, but i probably never will.

Dunnstal day 3 will haunt me. i got distracted from one scum by another scum and then ended up lynching town. horrible.

Diamond convinced you to vote Kunk at sod3. It was their plan.

[Lycanfire]

You were the honorary sixth so I could be the honorary sixth later on.

[Lycanfire]

You were outscummed imo

[Lycanfire]

Yeah but if I lynched you d3 I would have progressed

[Lycanfire]

The Viomi lynch was shit. Scroll up a few posts. Game solve mountain still eludes Chara.

[Lycanfire]

Don't act like that wasn't a town point for you d5. Kaede didn't like having to hammer me.

[Lycanfire]

the game is over shhh no more fighting

it's not real fighting. but Lycan has left so many gems in the dead thread that i still need to sift through.

My dilemma d1/d2

[Lycanfire]

You should have sacrificed n4.

[Lycanfire]

#JusticeForMulch

I think he got it d1 please try to keep up

[Lycanfire]

Jaereed threatening to kill someone ban never gets old

[Lycanfire]

I have a really shitty memory sometimes, and I thought that I couldnt be able to ML maki, if Chara's scum shuichi's town, and chara's town, chara saw something that made Shuichi conftown, and so im like "Well guess im 1v1ing with Chara, might as well do it recklessly than letting deadline continue to tick tock and have the lynch default to me"

Maki might have been a better choice there, but i really can't say and hindsight is 20/20.
Shuichi was the only one i was never lynching going into day 5.

As I said im not good at planning or anything, I just saw how Maki reacted and im like "Well town me never SRs Maki for that so..."

play like scum next time. scum are the worst at everything.

[Lycanfire]

if you'd killed Lycan i would have defected to the scum team right then as thanks.

Envy is a sin

[Lycanfire]

if you'd killed Lycan i would have defected to the scum team right then as thanks.

Envy is a sin

and Pride is the greatest of the seven. :>

If you aren't claiming to be a messianic figure in a mafia game, you aren't playing properly.

[Lycanfire]

Scumslip

[Lycanfire]

I thought your motives were obv scummy or purposely unclear and not focusing more on you was a mistake on my part. I thought your playstyle was a roleplay and thought most pushes on you would have been pointless.

You're easier to read than you give yourself credit for. Maki and Chara outscummed you for most of the game.

[Lycanfire]

There shouldn't be any deadlines in any game. Mods should modkill, and also modkill for frivolous reasons to avoid breaking strategies.

When you think of it this way, deadlines make no sense at all.

[Lycanfire]

Mulch was so transparently anti-town that his partner petitioned the mod to force replace him.

[Lycanfire]

I think this setup is scumsided. Mulch had a good idea (cause complications in the game state) but he tried too hard to provide solutions at the same time. I take issue at his strategy because it had a clear purpose of saving Wicked (which he did) but ultimately failed any resolution (if anything, I was more sure in my Wicked scumread as a result of Acid/Viomi flipping.)

If something like this was carried put from page one, scum could crush by simply having so many members and too many problems, with too few town tasked to see it through.

I would play a game like this again.

[Lycanfire]

Can Michael and Mulch cool it a bit on the strongarming here.

Regarding lynching acidphoenix, I don't trust your gut. Frankly, re: his response to me, holding out on what a town!acidphoenix may have wanted to do, feeling burned and denying every step of the way is about the closest to the expected behavior I can imagine here, even if I maintain what he was doing was dead in the water before I told him as much. I'm not lynching him today, because he's vaguely town to me without a Wicked flip.

Michael in particular lowly ranks Wicked but keeps him as a peripheral scumread. Why is he not more prominent? I feel like with the two sides of the wagons on Kunkstar and Wicked respectively, if you think one of these is scum, there is an active counterwagon on the other. If you think he's town, he should be no where near the bottom, and how are the wagoners rationalized (465). Is this a massive TvT or are you (Michael) revising your reads?

I really dislike how Mulch pretends not to know who Wicked is, ignored my question and has two objectives: control day phase with Michael, secondly, lynch acid. In that order. I feel like if someone is going to be town intentioned, they would at least flip their priorities around. After all, he is supposedly never wrong on acidphoenix, and if we're to trust him on that one, he ought to trust himself.

More to come when I can find motivation...

[Lycanfire]

What do we want? Mafia PT!

When do we want it? Some time in the future!

[Lycanfire]

Acidphoenix