Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[T S O]

And well played to the scumteam too - v good work. I would say, if GI hadn't came in, we'd be discussing how town lost around now.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks TSO. You + Matt getting SSK gave the town some much needed clarity and direction.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Myko seriously was COMPLETELY under my radar most of the game.

[GreyICE]

@Reck: I really don't have a problem any more either. When I flipped out over the Vezok hammer, it was my actual reaction to the fact the town hadn't lynched you based on play, not anything personal (I'd have reacted about the same if any experienced player had done that). If you have one flaw as scum, it's that you tend to plan ahead - You planned Vezok>SSK, you planned the farside lynch. The shape of the plan can be seen (although it's fairly interesting when you realize the plan is that you get lynched in LyLo...). You just lost sight of the now for the future for a second when that hammer was dropped. Agree MafiaSSK is pretty something to get on your scumteam (although at least he wasn't the roleblocker, ye gods).

Honestly, I never read Farside's posts (Sorry folks, I never read the people I'm replacing as town, it's really not productive) and honestly after reading them... yeah, there was some back and forth that was more than a little barbed, but the "borderline illiterate" came after some stuff she was tossing at you (fake ass shit and stuff) so yeah... just a heated back and forth. I understand your frustration, even if I also understand Farside's.

Like Flubber, Myko was the weaker scumread, but I took a gamble. Anatole seemed really town with the quick quiz at the end, and you+Myko made a lot of sense.

@Anatole: I wasn't meaning "being alive in LyLo means you're a shit player" I just believe its a review of your play in one specific game. I've been left alive to LyLo before too, and it's almost always because the scum think that I'm so significantly off that I'm hurting the town.

[xRECKONERx]

I feel like I had to plan ahead, though. SSK's lynch was inevitable, which meant not only did I have to plan for that, I

had

to defend myko because otherwise we'd just be doomed. The only conceivable way in which we could've won this game was making the plan I did, which was to prepare for the SSK flip (and tie him to farside), then get myself lynched over myko. I did not expect you to flip on myko that easily, and I think a myko-Flubber-Anatole endgame would've been our best shot at winning.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Farside defended SSK pretty hard. That was the only reason I didn't insta-hammer reck, honestly.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, part of the reason I asked farside about SSK was to bait her into responding with a defensive meta stance. It almost worked

[T S O]

@TSO: Well played, man. Maybe tone down the emotionalness a bit, but you were pretty terrifying and I was consistently paranoid that you'd flip around on me and read me correctly. Lucky that we had to kill you anyway, because you were coming up to be the next shot on the list.

Thanks, Reck! And yeah, I agree with you re: the emotions; it's one of the flaws of my towngame.

But that softclaim push was awful by Csareo. Really, it was.

[T S O]

I think I'd have caught up to myko, not really due to his play, but moreso a POE-type thing where he'd have to be scum with -someone-. I would probably have Jailkept him, but it wouldn't have mattered.

I have literally no idea if I'd choose Reck or Grey in LyLo - good thing I didn't have to!

[Flubbernugget]

I apologize for lurking. I don't know what it was about this game, but after about page 5 the whole game (not just farside) started looking like words on a page. I couldn't process any of it until I saw myko try to push TSO. Fuck, I thought a lot of my case on Reck was coming off as improvised.

I've actually noticed this happening in a lot of my non-micro games, notably the now abandoned PYP Open game, whose game number I cannot currently remember.

Has anyone else noticed this happen when they were reading a game?

[Flubbernugget]

I wanted to highlight some of the posts that really made me laugh in this game but they were literally all at Csaero's expense which kinda just made me feel like a bully :/

[MattP]

(People should not be posting until the mod comes in to verify the game is over...)

[Oman]

It's not resgination that you feel when that last missile leaves your wing, and not joy when you see the jet explode, and not relief when you sweep down and identify it...but it's close.

Anatole and Grey both pull away from the wreckage and look into each other's cockpit. There's a nod, but no smile. Their wings slide across the warm air as they head past what was left of their teammates and return to their home airfield. I don't know what they'll do when they land, but I think they'll both (contrary to every instinct they've ever had) take some time out from the cockpit.


xRECKONERx - MiG-27 FLOGGER -

Mafia Goon

- Lynched Day Six

TOWN WIN!

Elephant in the room: I was forced to replace Csareo and T S O apparently because of discussing ongoing games. T S O hasn't been banned so I assume he was an innocent party in it. Csareo has been banned since...so well timed lynch, dudes.

Wow, okay, an interesting game. I'm going to be happy with the balance of the game, that even though town lynched a power role day one, we still ended up with a 2:1 LYLO. The things that I wasn't proud of though was how I handled hostility in this game.

Besides the obvious, which is that I'm disappointed farside needed to replace out, I honestly believe the "lost" feeling that MANY townies reported to me was based on people being really verbally hostile to each other for not a lot of reason. Loud, aggressive, townies hide scum. That's just kind of how that happens. If you look back over Day One, Myko is kind of invisible for the whole thing beacuse of how hard everyone is at each other's throats. I think that is what drove what Flubber is talking about above.

Grey replacing in and breaking the game open really sucks for Reck. Really sucks. Really really sucks. Especially because of what drove farside's replace out. I disagree that MafiaSSK sunk the team. He didn't tie either of you to him which was pretty unexpected to be honest.

I was a lot more heavy handed (as promises) with Reck and Grey after farside's replace, and I would've liked to have done that from the start (looking back with all them hindsights).

I'll address the activity problems from me, in so far as I had some complaints leveled against my activity in the game. I've already kind of addressed that I was incredibly busy with work, although I still maintained a post every 48hrs (where it was required), and checked the thread every 24. Which is more than I ever asked of you as players. I've also mentioned that timezones exist, and that you guys tend to be the most active at about 3am my time, and on a work day I don't have time before work. This means that if you guys go nuts on your posts, I wont see it for 18 hours or so. That's...thems just facts, and you guys need to understand that as a consideration of the game. Not that I have a problem with getting PMs and stuff saying "There's been a lynch", I think that's incredibly helpful, and I appreciate your help, but when listmods start asking me about my activity because of multiple complaints...I dunno. I gave you guys what I could, if that's not enough for you, don't play games by employed Aussies.


Thanks for a solid run. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I hope you guys let me know of any issues or concerns that you have, or anything that worked well for you.

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ADMIN TO FOLLOW

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/VZfMLQWefNuAe Mafia Quicktopic.

The rest is basic mafia, gents.


Belisarius Vanilla
Ki-Gi Vanilla
Anatole Kuragin Vanilla
T S O Jail keeper
Espressojet Bus Driver
Csareo Vanilla
Flubbernugget Vanilla
farside22 Vanilla
MattP Tracker


xRECKONERx MAF Goon
MafiaSSK MAF Goon
mykonian MAF Roleblocker

Role PMs


TOWNIE (x6) – Belisarius, Ki-Gi, Anatole Kurigan, Csareo, Flubbernugget, farside22
MiG-23 FLOGGER
They made a million of her, and she’s earned it. The MiG-23 FLOGGER that you pilot is a Russian made, third-generation, fighter jet. Although, that description would be better with a whole of sarcastic quotation marks.
The Russian “made”, “third-generation” fighter “jet” could zip around the battlefield…for about 12 minutes before its tiny fuel tank forced it to draw back on the throttle. The primitive radar that nestles in front of your feet can hardly support the worthless weapon load you have under your armpits. You’re a flying cannon, and that 23mm baby wouldn’t penetrate a tractor on a bad day. Also your single engine is a product of 1970s technology. Basically, if you’re not shot out of the sky, you’re going to fall.
Even worse, this tin can has been exported to damn near every country north of the equator, and as such it’s impossible to tell whose side one could be on. On the other hand, you’re part of a good crew, and they haven’t let you down yet. You are VANILLA and win with the TOWN.
Please reply with your aircraft name and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.


Jail Keeper – T S O
EA-18G GROWLER
Say what you will about the Super Hornet (It’s a stop-gap product that sacrifices innovation for reliability. It’s built in the late 2000s using 1980s technology. Put enough fuel on the wings to do a decent flight and she’s a flying snail. It’s flown by Navy jerks.), you can’t help but love her. When you’re in the Ward Room or the O’s Club, you’re raving about either the incredible alpha that you can pull, or the ALQ-99 Jamming Pods.
Those jamming pods will just shut down a battlefield. The reliance on airborne radar has meant that you hold the key to who can target, and who is a high-speed cheerleader. When switched to a noise jamming mode, you will blanket a jet in so much energy, that you’re lucky if the pilot doesn’t get cancer.
You are a JAILKEEPER and during the night phase you can choose a target to both PROTECT and ROLEBLOCK. You win with the TOWN.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.

Please reply with your aircraft name and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.


Bus Driver – Espressojet
F-15K STRIKE EAGLE
It’s nothing personal, but F-15s give this moderator a raging erection. They’re gorgeous, they’re efficient, and they define multirole. The Republic of Korea (AKA Nice Korea) took one of the most attractive, best performing aircraft of the 2010s and decided to make it better. Precision bombers changed the tide of WWII, and this jet will change the tide of any war it’s in.
Sitting next to your left arm is a deception jamming suite that isn’t found in the standard F-15 and you’re keen to try it out. Deception Jamming gives you the advantage to not just drop a missile out of the sky, but to confuse the enemy radar into seeing what you want it to see, and sending that missile where you want it to go. Where other jammers are noisy and force the enemies to hold their fire and waste time, your goal is to let them fire, then waste their time and their missile. With this jammer employed to the best of your expertise, the enemy won’t even know you’re there are you have them targeting whoever you want.
You are a BUS DRIVER and during the night phase you can choose two targets to SWAP. You win with the TOWN.
Please reply with your aircraft name and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.

Tracker – MattP
F-16 BLOCK 52+ FIGHTING FALCON
What do you get when you take an almost useless air superiority daytime fighter and give it to the Republic of Singapore? You get the F-16 52+, one of the most surprisingly amazing jets in the air. And you’re in one.
The Block 52+ upgrade gave the F-16 more than just a badass sounding naming, it also received enough upgrades to make it a dominant force in the beyond-visual-range arena, meaning it can fight at the ranges of 50+ miles before closing to turn-and-burn in a dogfight tighter than most. Of course, there are old pilots, and there bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots, and you have no intention of disproving that rule. You’ll stay at range and use your AWESOME radar to watch those gung-ho MAVERICK types kill each other.
You are a TRACKER and during the night phase you can choose a target to TRACK. You win with the TOWN.
Please reply with your aircraft name and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.



Roleblocker - mykonian
EA-6B PROWLER
Partners: xRECKONERx and MafiaSSK
With an airframe that’s been in service for almost 60 years, the EA-6B Prowler is a hell of a jet. Although, when I say “jet”, I mean stumpy little bucket that somehow flies. The others are right when they say you’re looking funny, but you’re not going to take it anymore. You’ve found a safe frequency to talk to 2 of your co-conspirators and you’re going to use that to take the others down.
The Prowler is an electronic warfare specialist, and when I say specialist, I mean “redefined the role” specialist. I mean “throw out the manual” specialist. I mean “they will write books with my name in the title” specialist. You can isolate an aircraft and blank it out with your series of pods so heavily that the enemy pilot won’t be able to think of anything but the radio waves you’re pushing into his skull.
You are a ROLEBLOCKER and during the night you can choose someone to ROLEBLOCK. You win with the MAFIA. Your team can additionally choose a member to KILL a target.
If you are the last alive you cannot both ROLEBLOCK and KILL.
Please reply with your aircraft name, your partners and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.

Goon
MiG-27 FLOGGER
Partners: xRECKONERx and MafiaSSK and ROLEBLOCKER mykonian
Based on the vanilla MiG-23 FLOGGER, the 27 is a sweet ride, and one you’ve really come to love. However, when most of the pilots and governments preferred the Su-22, you took it INCREDIBLY personally.
The aircraft is sleek and well designed. With wings swept nothing can outrun you. With wings forward in fighter configuration….okay you’re trash. But your radar is better than those goody two-shoes MiG-23s, and even trashes the Su-22s!
You can probably get off one missile without getting caught, but you definitely can’t lose 2 at once without sticking out. You’ll have to take your chances and hope.
You are a GOON and during the night you can choose someone to KILL. Your team can additionally choose a member to KILL a target.
Please reply with your aircraft name, your partners and your role name so that I can assure you’ve read this PM.
They say a good landing is one you walk away from. Check six.

[MattP]

That was a fun game, thanks for modding Oman

[GreyICE]

I'd have given town a weak power role, or toned down the roleblocker to maybe a role cop, but yeah, it was fairly well balanced.

I'm sorry for replacing in and breaking the game. I normally don't like doing things like that, I typically don't replace in to games in LyLo. As Oman knows, I tried to replace in ages ago, and honestly I didn't realize it was LyLo until I landed. A fresh set of eyes in LyLo, especially from an experienced player, truly is devastating. You have a game worth of connections with zero preconceived notions and bias that has had zero chance to be shaped by the scum kill. There's a reason most observers think LyLo is often obvious, but to those on the ground its a complex mess.

Any chance the dead thread could be made public (or shared if its a QT)?

[MattP]

Yes, I do want to also say that scum mold their game around who is in it and that progresses naturally, assuming scum are skilled, to a level of play where town will never adequately suspect it (at least not enough to get the scum lynched). Reck and Myko were doing that, and they were knocking off the players correctly that would fall out of loop and catch onto their play. It did fuck them over to have a fresh, skilled set of eyes replace in and doesn't reflect on the caliber of their scum games imo

[Oman]

I didn't make a dead thread. Been a long time since I modded and those were only just coming into fashion when I took the break.

So um...All the dead guys...were dead

[Anatole Kuragin]

Thanks for the game Oman! Just want you to know when I pmed you about a lynch (myko's) it was out of my own excitement/anxiety about seeing the flip and not because I thought you were negligent in anyway. I don't have any complaints about the moderation.

[xRECKONERx]

Grey replacing in and breaking the game open really sucks for Reck. Really sucks. Really really sucks. Especially because of what drove farside's replace out. I disagree that MafiaSSK sunk the team. He didn't tie either of you to him which was pretty unexpected to be honest.

We had a useless third member who couldn't make any plays with us. He was a guaranteed lynch. We had to play suboptimally because we knew SSK would get lynched for his inactivity eventually.

[xRECKONERx]

I had no complaints about your activity, really. I understand your schedule and the time zones thing, my one comment about infrequent vote counts was more of a scum tactic to absolve myself of responsibility for the hammer.

I honestly didn't think I was that hostile regarding farside. Comments about her posts being unreadable were not meanspirited, and were more made in frustration. It was hard to engage with her because she wrote posts quickly and with poor grammar/spelling, and I'm not the only one who thought that. Her replace out was really bad for me, as you've said. Without Grey in the game, I think we win that, 100%.

Thanks for the complements, guys. Despite the loss, I felt it was one of the stronger scum performances I've had in awhile. There were so many times in the last 2-3 game days that I wanted to throw up my hands and just say, I'M SCUM to make it all over.

[GreyICE]

I didn't make a dead thread. Been a long time since I modded and those were only just coming into fashion when I took the break.

So um...All the dead guys...were dead

Awww, dead thread theories always are the funniest. I would have expected a fair bit of rage at me

[vezokpiraka]

Omg. In my first post I managed to call all scums town. And all my scumreads where town.

While the game progressed I am happy at leastthat I correctly called tso town.

[Micc]

I dont know what to say about this game besides that I enjoyed watching it play out. Thanks for modding Oman!

[xRECKONERx]

Sorry for killing you Micc! I actually messaged Oman before day end and informed him that we planned on killing TSO anyway but I see how the mod couldn't risk impartiality by having us change our mind or forcing us to kill someone. :\

[Micc]

I was quite aware that I was probably getting killed before I replaced in, so there are no hard feelings. I was actually kind of glad that I got killed because I didnt want to deal with the WIFOM of a no kill gambit causing my jailkeep to give a false guilty. Nothing beats the surprise when Oman told me my guess of myko/reck was correct though. That felt great, and Im really glad that Anatole got it right in LyLo.