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Post Post #2225 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:48 am

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Brian I understand your frustration but the compensation was not equal. Skipping the chance at a ritual at LyLo did not outweigh ensuring Egg's triple journey and all the power that was received by town.

Yes I did allow copper's frustration to affect my decision to compensate him, but that's only because I've been in situations like his and can empathize
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Post Post #2226 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:04 pm

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In post 2223, Fate wrote:
In post 2191, GreyICE wrote:Wait, so we lost because Spiffeh copped a random player and hit TTH?

What the actual fuck


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Yeah our win was literally stripped by random.org.

After you gave us a piece of shit role that looked just town enough to trick us into thinking it was like a town role PM

And no fakeclaim

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Post Post #2227 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:09 pm

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In post 2225, Fate wrote:Brian I understand your frustration but the compensation was not equal. Skipping the chance at a ritual at LyLo did not outweigh ensuring Egg's triple journey and all the power that was received by town.

Yes I did allow copper's frustration to affect my decision to compensate him, but that's only because I've been in situations like his and can empathize

I don't really care about this to be honest. It's pretty miniscule compared to you stripping town of a mislynch.
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Post Post #2228 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:10 pm

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To be fair, I did abuse the even numbers, but it's still pretty shitty.
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Post Post #2229 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:13 pm

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Like what I don't get is where Fate is defending these moderating decisions.

Because he's gone for the throat on mods after much, much, much less egregious sins.

If it was someone who, say, wasn't notorious for calling out mods after games I might have some sympathy. But this was horseshit setup and horseshit moderation.
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Post Post #2230 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:13 pm

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5/7 to win! 2/7 to lose! Why play mafia when you can play craps?
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Post Post #2231 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:19 pm

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Also, if I'm reading the Mafia PT and final mod thoughts correctly, Fate was helping the scumteam confuse the town. Even though I understand what the mechanic is supposed to do, the amount of mod intervention there is unacceptable.

Not to mention the Heyoka role (while interesting), was implemented poorly considering the scumteam had safeclaims given to them and they Heyoka flavor couldn't have even been real-claimed. It's pretty much there just to fuck over the town. Not to mention our win conditions indicated we would have had to lynch Heyoka anyway, with only two mislynches to do it. And you took one of our mislynched away when you modkilled Nacho (for another role that was very clearly only there as a trap role since only Camntsuki could talk during twilight).
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Post Post #2232 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:26 pm

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In post 2226, GreyICE wrote:Yeah our win was literally stripped by random.org.

I don't think this mattered since if Copper could have chosen the target, he would have chosen himself. It would have been the same result either way.
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Post Post #2233 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:29 pm

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In post 2232, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2226, GreyICE wrote:Yeah our win was literally stripped by random.org.

I don't think this mattered since if Copper could have chosen the target, he would have chosen himself. It would have been the same result either way.

Yeah at least have it a decision made by a real human being.

As it is we literally lost due to random.org. Had we been confirmed shaman we would have easily won.

I'm not taking anything away from Copper. I'm saying this setup was fucking crap and the moderating decisions were awful.
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Post Post #2234 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:30 pm

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And also he shot us that very night.

So yeah, there's no way he expected Spiffeh to target us. Literally none.
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Post Post #2235 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:33 pm

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I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.
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Post Post #2236 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:33 pm

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In post 2221, Staeg wrote:
In post 2209, GreyICE wrote:Piece of shit game was shit.

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Post Post #2237 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:34 pm

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In post 2218, Brian Skies wrote:Anyhow, moderator bullshit aside, I'm disappointed he was allowed to run this game without a Co-Mod or Backup Mod.


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Post Post #2239 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:34 pm

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I'm not blaming Fate that town lost, because I think this game was very winnable for town. But some of his decisions were very questionable (for all teams).
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Post Post #2240 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:36 pm

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In post 2235, Brian Skies wrote:I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.


COPPER CLAIMED SCUM THO AND Y'ALL WERE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE HOW OBVSCUM HIS INTERACTIONS AND STANCES ON YAKKO WERE D:
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Post Post #2241 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:36 pm

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In post 2239, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not blaming Fate that town lost, because I think this game was very winnable for town. But some of his decisions were very questionable (for all teams).


I'm sure as fuck blaming Fate for a town loss because everything in this world is Fate's fault~
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Post Post #2242 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:38 pm

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In post 2240, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2235, Brian Skies wrote:I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.


COPPER CLAIMED SCUM THO AND Y'ALL WERE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE HOW OBVSCUM HIS INTERACTIONS AND STANCES ON YAKKO WERE D:

Everyone except me. >:[

I even pointed it out.
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Post Post #2243 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:44 pm

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In post 2242, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2240, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2235, Brian Skies wrote:I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.


COPPER CLAIMED SCUM THO AND Y'ALL WERE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE HOW OBVSCUM HIS INTERACTIONS AND STANCES ON YAKKO WERE D:

Everyone except me. >:[

I even pointed it out.


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Post Post #2244 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:47 pm

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In post 2243, Katsuki wrote:YOU WERE THE LAST SALVATION
BUT WITH THE DEATH OF CAMNTSUKI
TOWN WAS FORSAKEN

God damn Tales of You repeat.

If only you were given another day.

I also may have been inspired to play better this game after you defended me Day 1.
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Post Post #2245 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:53 pm

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When I'm on my game my reads are almost always spot on.

You didn't help me out in convincing my other head that you were town tho hahaha.
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Post Post #2246 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:55 pm

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My interactions with my teammates have always been one of the best ways to figure out my alignment when I am scum, alternatively I'm sure TTH has a manual on how to read copper by now, although that may start with: copper is always scum ;-), but nobody has yet managed to actually lynch me for it, give me an incentive to switch up my game and I'll try bussing, I still think it's retarded 90% of the time and one of the main reasons scum loses games.

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Post Post #2247 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:56 pm

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It's okay. I don't tend to get mislynched early unless I'm playing really fucking horribly. Usually my goal is to win or die before lylo.
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Post Post #2248 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:03 pm

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In post 2246, copper223 wrote:My interactions with my teammates have always been one of the best ways to figure out my alignment when I am scum, alternatively I'm sure TTH has a manual on how to read copper by now, although that may start with: copper is always scum , but nobody has yet managed to actually lynch me for it, give me an incentive to switch up my game and I'll try bussing, I still think it's retarded 90% of the time and one of the main reasons scum loses games.

I think you were very scummy when it came to your stances around Yakko and TTH. In my opinion, bussing is a very poor strategy that helps town win games. I think this was a game that ended up benefitting you in the long run, but I knew you and TTH were scum on N1, and Day 2 confirmed it for me. You just weren't lynchable, despite you slipping on Day 1, and that's kudos to you and partly due to poor town play. If I was given a vig or cop at any point in this game, I was going to use it on you. But it didn't happen and I'm just one person.

I do think you may have snowed this town if you had better teammates, but RNG is part of the game (at least as far as team composition goes).
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Post Post #2249 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:09 pm

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Didn't I put a tiny bit of doubt in you d2/d4 that I might have actually been town?

I think both Yakko and TTH were pretty scummy so any attempt at defending or deflecting from them was going to be pretty scummy as well, but my philosophy is to try and always stick with my teammates.

I manufactured that "childish reaction" as Nacho called it to try and throw Nacho off when TTH replaced in and I thought if I started to go ham on you after you posted your copper/TTH scumread you might have had flashbacks of the game where we were scum-reading each other for ages as 2 townies (that's why I explicitly brought it up).
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