Mafia 78: Meta Breaking Mafia 1 - Game over!

[Gorrad]

Thanks! Rereading, etc.

FoS: ABR

since I know from previous experience that he's gonna be REALLY scummy.

[Gorrad]

Things I don't like:

Adel for stupid waggoning of Surye

M-M for L-2 with no warning

shaft.ed and ABR for starting the Coolbot wagon on what I see as Coolbot just misreading the number of votes

Coolbot for not letting up on Surye after everyone else realised it was a stupid wagon

Ectomancer for speculating on the setup

Coolbot for

Finally, I find people who avoid claims don't have one. Therefore, he's my default vote until he does.

Camisade, Tar, and TSS for Lurking, PEG to a lesser extent

Coolbot for trying to move the lynch from Adel (probable scum) to Surye and Rosso

ABR for signing up for the game right after Adel, taking their history into account

ABR for Page 17- scum vibes from most of his posts on that page


This is meta-breaking Mafia. I think the RB is town.

Ok, so I don't like Coolbot, Adel, or ABR. However, given claims and relationships, I think ABR's the most likely town. Adel and Coolbot are both almost definitely scum, but the amount of buddying Coobot's done to Adel is VERY suspicious.

I will hammer Coolbot if there are no objections besides those from Coolbot and Adel.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad's level of confidence makes this feel like a bus.

I'll admit I'm giving this game significantly more attention to most that I swap into, but really what did you expect?

'Oh, look at me, I'm a replacement. I'll just sit here and let you other people do all the work for me.'?

No. I'm going to come in here with a scumlist and suspicions. Those being Adel and Coolbot. I think I've given reasons for both sufficiently.

[Gorrad]

Coolbot was the one doing most of the buddying. You hammered him when said buddying was pointed out and he was already going to be hammered soon by me.

Right now, I'd go with bussing.

[Gorrad]

/facepalm.

Vote: Coolbot

[Gorrad]

Vote: shaft.ed

Ok, so Coolbot was a townie who attached himself to scum. Makes sense. Given that ABR and Adel were two of the most active players here, I'd like to reccomend rereads all around. There should be some good info in them thar hills.

[Gorrad]

TSS, think a second about what you're implying there. I don't like it.

Vote: TSS

[Gorrad]

Unvote

[Gorrad]

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I voted Shaft.ed because he tagged along with ABR for the Coolbot wagon. ABR was town, but it was a scummy move in my eyes and I think a scum would have jumped at the chance to move it along.

I found ABR town because he had argued so much with Adel and Coolbot, who I found scummy.

All that said, I don't believe Xtoxm's claim for a SECOND. In this game, as scum, that would be my absolute first claim. Scum wouldn't know where the second kill came from, and so would assume there to be an SK (not an unfair assumption). That said, the flavor means that they'd choose an out-there role. He also claimed on a dime, which in my eyes means he was eager to do so. Few people are eager to claim in my experience besides scum who have thought their claim out thoroughly.

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

[Gorrad]

This would be the FIRST Coolbot wagon that I'm refering to. The one that ABR and shaft.ed were the primary pushers of that died out later, only to be revived later in the game. That one was on very BAD reasoning. The one that finally led to his lynch was considerably better-based.

[Gorrad]

Ah, right. The threshold was crossed due to some role-based info I'd rather not share. I didn't mention that before because I'd really rather not full-claim, but you're right. It does look a bit odd that I'd vote him based only on the claim.

[Gorrad]

Ah, right. The threshold was crossed due to some role-based info I'd rather not share. I didn't mention that before because I'd really rather not full-claim, but you're right. It does look a bit odd that I'd vote him based only on the claim.

So you're the SK?

Anope.

[Gorrad]

Precisely why he would have chosen it. I don't think the meta-breakings are in the sense of 'OMG I never see this role!!!!', but more things like the RB ACTUALLY being town, maybe some funky cop/doc sanities, I'm seriously expecting the mafia to have a role-cop. Xtoxm would have chosen FBI Agent because he's Xtoxm and, as I stated, it would be the IDEAL fakeclaim.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: I'm not saying that he would have chosen it relying on SK w/o FBI. He would have chosen it because of how much sense it makes meta-breaking wise.

Wow, wouldn't it be funny if this was a totally NORMAL game and the meta-breaking is that we have the meta that it's not? Totally something Guardian would pull, too.

[Gorrad]

Wow, Xtoxm is cool enough to have TWO vote counts!

Mod: fixed

[Gorrad]

Still don't believe Xotxm a lick, but I'm cool with a bit more Surye lynching.

Unvote, Vote: Surye

. That's L-2 if it's six to lynch, L-3 if it's seven. Not sure which.

[Gorrad]

In my readthrough, the only thing for him that stuck out as scummy was the setup speculation. He wasn't the greatest player, but I'd label him as protown even if I hadn't replaced him.

[Gorrad]

PEG is actually looking a little better to me with this recent comments...He should still not purposely contribute little though...

unvote vote Gorrad

I'm really not liking him atm.

Oh, why? Because I used logic to say EXACTLY why I don't believe your claim a lick? I'd like a case with votes plskthx.

[Gorrad]

Considering I had almost no posts d1, yeah.

[Gorrad]

I dunno what the heck Ecto was thinking if he tied himself to Adel at all. I found Adel scummy as heck, though, as I stated repeatedly end of d1, and if I was in his shoes I wouldn't have supported anything Adel did.

[Gorrad]

Because there was a LOT of Adel/Coolbot buddying happening, you can't deny that. I was fairly confident that Adel was just bussing.

[Gorrad]

I'm also in favor of a Surye claim.

[Gorrad]

Yeah, a case against me from any of the people who have voted me is welcome at any time. GJ bandwagoning there, Tar.

[Gorrad]

I can believe Surye at this point.

Unvote, Vote: Xtoxm

. I'll vote Tar if he seems more likely near deadline.

[Gorrad]

Joyous, so the one point against me specifically is that I bandwagoned. That's easily explainable, I actually took good notes during this readthrough. Therefore, because I had notes on hand, I was comfortable voting those I mentioned as scummy. Typically, I don't have notes nearly as good at this, so I'll find one very scummy player and not remember much about others. Not exactly a good strategy, hence the change. Other points I can't defend against, as I didn't cause them.

Also, as much as I hate to admit it, Tar's second paragraph does make sense. He didn't mention the posibility of him being lynched, naturally, but too many people seem to have fallen for Xtoxm's fakeclaim for an Xtoxm lynch to be viable. Ah well, we'll see.

[Gorrad]

L-2 = claim time. I'm an overeager vig. Must kill every night, cannot target self. I killed Adel. I stated much suspicion of her before night, and it payed off. That's why I don't believe Xtoxm. It's possible that there's a SK, but I highly doubt it. Scum would see that kill, assume SK, and claim accordingly. Simple, neh?

The fact that I'm claiming this also negates any allegations of my being partnered with Adel. If I was, then I could be counter-claimed. I won't be, therefore that bit of suspicion should be dropped immeadiately, thank you Tar.

Tar and Xtoxm are top of my list. If I survive today, I'll gaurantee one dead tomorrow (so you can be assured it's not a one-shot ability). Now, can we lynch Xtoxm please?

[Gorrad]

If we lynch Xtoxm I'm free to kill Tar, and vice-versa.

Also, I disagree with you that it makes sense. If he did put it there, it was just to screw with the town (making y'all think I'm the SK, given the limits of my role). It's a possibility, but this is meta-breaking mafia, not screw-the-town mafia.

On that note, I would like to claim screw-the-town mafia for me to mod at a later point.

[Gorrad]

I'd give him an 88% chance of being scum.

[Gorrad]

WOW! Grats on managing a tri-post with each slightly different. Quite a feat.

[Gorrad]

Possible, I wouldn't bet on it. With deadline aproaching, I'm ok with the night plan.

Unvote, Vote: Rosso Carne

[Gorrad]

Huh. Ok, I'm the lynch.

Vote: Gorrad

[Gorrad]

No, seriously, I was wrong about Xtoxm. We're a good deal away from LYLO and I can't target myself. The number of kills makes me think that this WAS just bastard-modding. With no SK, it makes sense to off me, to remove a kill if nothing else. Y'all have no way of trusting me, and I can't target myself. Better now than later.

[Gorrad]

L-2 = claim time. I'm an overeager vig. Must kill every night, cannot target self. I killed Adel. I stated much suspicion of her before night, and it payed off. That's why I don't believe Xtoxm. It's possible that there's a SK, but I highly doubt it. Scum would see that kill, assume SK, and claim accordingly. Simple, neh?

The fact that I'm claiming this also negates any allegations of my being partnered with Adel. If I was, then I could be counter-claimed. I won't be, therefore that bit of suspicion should be dropped immeadiately, thank you Tar.

Tar and Xtoxm are top of my list. If I survive today, I'll gaurantee one dead tomorrow (so you can be assured it's not a one-shot ability). Now, can we lynch Xtoxm please?

I have some difficulty buying this, but it is *potentially* consistent with what I know.

Regardless, I think it's time for my claim (mainly because if Gorrad is telling the truth and alive tonight he needs to know just how stupid his idea is). I'm a Cop (sanity currently unknown). I investigated ABR N1 (because he's ABR); despite ABR's death, I found that he was specifically not a member of the Mafia (so I'm either Sane or Naive, and I can apparently only find Mafia). This suggests to me that there is a second scumgroup in the game; if so, Gorrad is almost certainly the SK.

I think I know what should be done here. We keep myself, Gorrad, and Xtoxm alive today. Tonight, Gorrad targets Xtoxm. If Xtoxm comes up scum, Gorrad is mostly clear; if Gorrad kills a different player or if Xtoxm is an FBI Agent, Gorrad gets lynched tomorrow (or left alive for a bit if I survive with a guilty).

As for who should be lynched at deadline... my best candidate is shaft.ed. After my reread here, his play looks much, much more like his play in Open 57 and House Mafia (where he was scum) than his play in Mini 492 and Mini 495 (where he was town). Note the short posts, Mafia theory, and lack of long analysis posts - coming from shaft.ed, that's remarkably scummy.

Unvote, Vote: shaft.ed

[Gorrad]

Hey, you want a directed kill, I'm cool with that. I think the better choice is to off me now, though. There's always the chance I AM a SK, and I shouldn't be allowed anywhere NEAR endgame.

[Gorrad]

Look, if I'm SK, it doesn't matter how screwed I am. I always try to win. So yeah, if you direct tonights kill I'll do so. If I didn't...I'd probably kill PEG just 'cause. But that's not a problem because I would following the kill.

[Gorrad]

Gone to A-Kon until late Sunday/mid monday

[Gorrad]

PEG, you've seen me as scum in WEM Mafia. Do you honestly believe that I'd claim what I did as a SK? No. I'd claim something outlandish, cool, and a lot less obvious than Overeager Vig.

[Gorrad]

Unvote, Vote: Tar.

It seems we're going with a directed kill. I'm cool with that. Let's get to scumlynching.

[Gorrad]

Yeah, I kinda spaced too ><. Sorry, mind's still reeling a bit from three days of con.

In other new, 901 SUCKS.

Unvote, Vote: shaft.ed

[Gorrad]

One thing I should say, even if I was SK'd I'd be scumhunting. They want me killed even more, and they can NK me. You know I'm not scum, therefore you can be assured my votes and insight further stopping them.

[Gorrad]

If y'all can't agree on a target for me to vig tonight, I'm targetting Shaft.ed. If you don't want me to, better start coming up with names.

[Gorrad]

Ok, pretend I haven't seen ANY of y'all's posts regarding who I should vig so far. They might have changed. I want a top three choices list.

1.
2.
3.

Like so. I will not be voting, as there's no way for y'all to trust me.

[Gorrad]

TS, I agree with you that your wagon is crap, however I also don't see much of a case on Elias (who, I should bring up, is not voting for you). I would not at all be surprised if one or both scum were on that wagon (assuming two scum).

So now YOU make a choice. You either vote shaft.ed, or you and I agree on someone on your wagon to vote for other than Tar. I'd put money on Kison out of those four right now, although M-M keeping his 'pressure' vote on at this stage is pretty suspicious.

[Gorrad]

If it's ok with the majority, I'll be going with TSS. He seems to be a crowd favorite.

[Gorrad]

Unvote

. TSS is going to be killed.

[Gorrad]

We're at seven, I'd say claims are apropriate now.

[Gorrad]

PEG seems to be the only non-claimed player. I am willing to go before or after him, though it seems pretty obvious what his claim will be.

You go first

Well since I'm certain PEG's claiming mason

, I'll go first and assert my vanilla townie goodness.

I don't like your wording here. Anyone else find the bolded bit pretty scummy?

[Gorrad]

The key scummy word is 'since'. 'Since he is claiming mason, I'm claiming townie'. That implies that there would be something OTHER than townie that he could claim.

Don't worry, I know I'm the lynch. Just wanted that out there.

[Gorrad]

I don't get it.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad is not Mafia but has to be lynched, TS is confirmed innocent.

Shaft.ed, you say the contradiction means nothing, but he continues with it, and attempts to make game altering assertions using that contradiction.

I'm not accusing Tar, I'm just not liking a string of really poor plays by him. And the metabreaking aspect of this game has not slipped my mind, and a day cop instead of a night cop would fit that, and no one would counterclaim. It's not impossible.

That said, I have no reason not to trust TS, and am pretty convinced she's who she says she is.

I know what you're talking about, but there are other reasons for trusting Tar as town. I'd rather talk about them at the dawn of the new day so mafia do not have an optimal target this evening.

Okay, fair enough. It's a moot point for today anyways, and I was mostly just thinking aloud.

Today Gorrad needs to die. And probably pretty soon.

Why soon? Lotsa time for talking. Do you not like talking?

[Gorrad]

You would : D.

[Gorrad]

Vote: Gorrad

L-1.