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VOTE: Saudade

I like traffic jams

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I'm using both shots tonight

Just promise to crumb (or explicitly state) who you're targetting tonight for the record and you can be townbinned for D1

What a fabulous idea!

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Pagetop!

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VOTE: Swims

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Montosh is 100% town.

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Also Nero is probably town.

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As is Vork

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VOTE: Creature

I have some super top secret ways to catch scum creature

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Nah Creature upped his scumgame.

Now you have to read the posts too

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Eh I mean I was probably bothered by that

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Yes let’s just say I was

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I don’t know why any of you thought that ‘semi-serious’ was serious.

Nero is in town mode though

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Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

This is a scum post though.

VOTE: Swims

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I am entirely semi-serious is such a nonesensical sentence that of course it’s not serious

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What sort of town mindset produces 203?

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I am also a big fan of the hmm tell

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I don't understand why people are making a big issue with NC's list tbh, it seems random to me.
I also think RVS is bad and it should be stop very soon. And it does not stop and end like a normal thing does.

Oh yeah I would also vote this.

I don’t know swims no

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^thanks Nero for the above <3

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VOTE: RedFlavour

I forgot this actually had a wagon.

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Why?

There’s a group of people I am willing to vote, so I don’t see the point in vanity wagoning

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VOTE: Swims

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Montosh feels different enough from Mini 2075 that he can be town for now

This

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Depends on the game.

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Im mason

Anyone who has played with Saudade before knows not to take this seriously. So anything about this is NAI IMO.

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- Anti town-tells

The post I think you’re referring to I know is personal opinion because *reasons* so isn’t scummy in the slightest

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- Anti RedFlavor-wagon for the sake of being against a wagon.

Where? I don’t see much of that at all. If you’re talking about his latest post then I see that as not liking the people on the wagon.

I don’t see why any of your reasons make Montosh scummy.

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Im mason

Why in the ever loving fuck would you claim that? just gonna let scum nk you and if they don't we'll just pl you if we haven't game solved yet.

I am 25% sure this was a joke post because I think Nero has played with Saudade before where something similar happened (I need to fact check this)

the question wasn't actually rhetorical but thinking about it I guess it doesn't matter in the long run.

He just finished a week long ban for talking about ongoing games directly related to saying "im mason" in every game. The mason thing was either meme or an FU to the mods but probably had little to nothing to do with this game.

This was posted almost immediately after the mason claim, and before Montosh specifically had posted anything.

Your argument can

maybe

be stretched to include Flavour but it’s a huge stretch (I also don’t know if RF has played with Saudade before)

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- Anti town-tells

The post I think you’re referring to I know is personal opinion because *reasons* so isn’t scummy in the slightest

It refers to Post 99.

Is there a reason that you've appointed yourself as Montosh's lawyer and/or spokesperson?

Yeah that’s what I thought. For *reasons* I know that is not at all scummy for Montosh to say.

I think you’re town and you’re just completely on the wrong track with Montosh, so I want to fix you <3

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How do you read that as "not liking the people"? He specifically says "the way".

Presumably he likes the way the Swim wagon built up because it was him and his town reads (this is basically coming from him posts)

If you don’t like the way a wagon built up them it would probably be due to the people on it. I know some people don’t like it when a wagon goes too fast but that tends to be bs especially D1.

In what other way could you not like how a wagon built up?

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If you want a more concrete meta example, Montosh’s play here is completely different from viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79638 where he was lynched D1.

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Sure, this whole game is based on interpretation of actions. rosterfoster is telling me that he has reasons beyond what I can see. He's being vague so at this point I can only assume why.

The whole Saudade thing was pointed out almost immediately as I said earlier.

Montosh didn’t post in the intermediate time (btw I don’t know if Montosh knows Saud) so I don’t get how you can scumread that.

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Sure, this whole game is based on interpretation of actions. rosterfoster is telling me that he has reasons beyond what I can see. He's being vague so at this point I can only assume why.

The whole Saudade thing was pointed out almost immediately as I said earlier.

Montosh didn’t post in the intermediate time (btw I don’t know if Montosh knows Saud) so I don’t get how you can scumread that.

@Roster,

are you the kind of player that Townhunts?

I try to hunt both town and scum.

KK is the most towniest town I have ever seen though, which is good.

You haven’t quite addressed my point on the fact that your scumread about the mason thing doesn’t make any sense, because its fakeness was pointed out almost immediately.

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I pocket KK there by backing down but ok

RF is also a (weaker) scumread of mine, but there is nothing wrong with only having one scumread by this stage.

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For once I’m not actually exaggerating that.

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HeWhoSwims is still the best vote ATM.

If you think there is not enough posting from that slot to create a read then you need to turn the heat up and get that pan a-fryin'. We shouldn't reward or ignore the lurkers. They've had enough time to hide.

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I'm not seeing what is particularly weird about Vorkuta's posts. I don't see Red's and Vork's joining the pisskop wagon as the same.

Vork kind of has an unconventional posting style, so people tend to scumread that.

ED is indeed a possible, but the case on swims is more than just lurking, while I don’t really see one of ED?

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VOTE: Pisskop

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I R Jesus

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Jesus isn’t a gimmick at all though

Like it confused me greatly that you think that.

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pisskop

It's appreciated.

VOTE: pisskop

Isn’t that what happened?

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lazy. The self vote was obviously unintentional

But I don’t get why you didn’t immediately change your vote back? :/

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In other news Jesus is town

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But like if it was a mistake with the formatting I don’t understand why you didn’t just correct it.

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Like it’s not AI either way, I’m just confuzzled.

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Hai

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VOTE: Creature

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I could make that wagon on me dissipate with one single line, but I want to pinpoint the scum on it first.

Amright?

VOTE: Swims

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Nero is in town mode though

How does scum-Nero differ?

I don’t think I’ve played with scum Nero so I wouldn’t know

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I don’t really like Creature’s response to his wagon.

I like Creature’s response to his wagon

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I wonder what's the resistance to HWS seeing everybody softed a scumread on them but never pulled a train on him like they did to me

I liked this.

VOTE: Orfhz

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VOTE: Jesus Louisus

VOTE: Jesus Louisus

VOTE: Jesus Lousius

VOTE: Jesus

I have committed a grevious sin.

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Do we go to hell?

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It was rather rolefishy.

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But OK.

VOTE: Swims

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Because I don’t know who is scum.

Like I never get why people find that scummy

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Oh yeah I can expand on *reasons* now.

In the medium PT in restless spirits Montosh was telling me about all the town tells he was against. Like I think thatms a town-indiciative thing for Montosh to say if anything.

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Please have my chick babies

I would be privileged to lay in your pocket <3

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Hi.

Bye.

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VOTE: Eyes

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Yes

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His post here really isn’t comparable to his post in panic room

Here he is trying to reaction test you and his tone comes off as aggressive.

The one in panic room where he was scum, the tone in his post was more resigned

He was making posts like that in Panic room too.

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I might start efforting soon.

Probably not this game day though. I’m finding to really hard to moridwte myself for this.

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VOTE: Niko[/votr]

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VOTE: Niko

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if he's town I don't think he should ever play like this.

I mean you’re probably right.

I’m just banking all my hopes on this flipping scum.

Otherwise we’re probably fucked because I’m dying tomorrow <3

He was getting hammered RL tomorrow anyway though

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I never hammer town Niko as scum here though.

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Regretfully I am town.

I beg forgiveness.

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But the hammer was coming anyway. I just had a rush of blood to the head.

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I imagine Creature didn’t choose to commute, and we have an odd-night Vig.

If it’s not about the hammer then what is it about?

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There was no scramble.

I mistyped.

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I really see no reason why not. There was really no danger of getting pushback for hammering that slot, whereas there might be suspicion for resisting the wagon (and in fact there was, since Kublai was pressuring ppl to take a stance on Niko and accused Deas of shifting to me to land on a safe spot)

I would just let the lynch take its course and not want to draw attention to myself over the hammer.

I got a shitton of flak for that hammer.

I mean you don’t have to believe me but I know it’s not what I would’ve done as scum.

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if he's town I don't think he should ever play like this.

Wait, was this directed at Roster or at Niko? I interpreted Niko.

If this was referencing Roster I'd like Nero to expand on it.

I certainly thought it was directed at me.

Maybe I was wrong :O

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Because I thought that everyone thought I was being ridiculously anti-town.

Evidently not.

And no I’ve not managed to invest myself in scumhunting this game yet.

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VOTE: Otter

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I get townvibes from Jesus.

Source: We (both town) shared a hood in Boony game.

I was also getting town vibes from Creature though, so Jesus is probably scum.

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I mean that’s why I’m not voting Jesus

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But my reads have been next-level shit recently so I’m thinking about hopping on.

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Creature died last night..

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Vork I didn’t think you did sarcasm <3

I’m proud of you

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I think Otter is town.

VOTE: Eyes

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Anyone townreading Jesus?

Aye

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Both RedFlavor and Vorkuta have been early on the Creature wagon and not on Niko, so I don't think they're scum with Creature.

If there's scum on the Creature wagon, wouldn't they be more likely to be earlier on it? Red and vork were votes 2 and 3, not putting creature in any real danger. The second wave was Kop(Niko), Nero, Roster, Jesus. I just don't see scum doing that when Creature is not even obviously the lynch.

Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.

Scum Creature does not respond well to pressure, so I don't think his partners would start a wagon on him unless it was meant to be a full bus (i.e. they won't unvote when it grows because that's exactly what would happen if you start a wagon on scum Creature). So, scum were probably forced to join the wagon later on for town credit in case it did go through. Why would scum try to bus a commuter anyway? Creature was supposed to live for 4 days and 4 nights if he had tried to play the game.

I'd agree with you if Creature was a goon or if it was someone else.. someone who could actually argue against their own lynch and appear a little bit more townie. That way the scum voting early are successfully distancing but not actually bus'ing.

I feel like this comes from someone with too much info

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Eyes is obvscum.

Can we lynch that pls?

I’m pretty sure Jesus is town.

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In my experience such erratic behaviour comes from town, and scum are most likely to o be the ones pishing people for said erratic behaviour.

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Eyes is obvscum

State your case

I did.

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Both RedFlavor and Vorkuta have been early on the Creature wagon and not on Niko, so I don't think they're scum with Creature.

If there's scum on the Creature wagon, wouldn't they be more likely to be earlier on it? Red and vork were votes 2 and 3, not putting creature in any real danger. The second wave was Kop(Niko), Nero, Roster, Jesus. I just don't see scum doing that when Creature is not even obviously the lynch.

Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.

Scum Creature does not respond well to pressure, so I don't think his partners would start a wagon on him unless it was meant to be a full bus (i.e. they won't unvote when it grows because that's exactly what would happen if you start a wagon on scum Creature). So, scum were probably forced to join the wagon later on for town credit in case it did go through. Why would scum try to bus a commuter anyway? Creature was supposed to live for 4 days and 4 nights if he had tried to play the game.

I'd agree with you if Creature was a goon or if it was someone else.. someone who could actually argue against their own lynch and appear a little bit more townie. That way the scum voting early are successfully distancing but not actually bus'ing.

I feel like this comes from someone with too much info

Here

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Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.

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Yes but I don’t generally think that we should be lynching scum over town

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*do

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Btw guys I am constructing a case on Eyes.

I’m very excited. Not done this in a while. <3

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What has Jesus done exactly that comes from scum? I just need one post, and an explanation. Nothing more, noting less.

I’m still working on the eyes case. You’ll all come over to my side <3

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I would rather a quote (just one), instead of some waving-hands about what he has done.

The guns thing was perhaps rolefishy, but it’s just such a weird thing for scum to say.

The rest I could do with some evidence that this actually happened, and isn’t just what your mind makes of it instead of being what Jesus actually says.

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Eyes' 'towncase' on RedFlavour.

This post comes from a scum mindset - trying to make a townread of someone from a bunch of NAI shit they said without really explaining why any of what they said was AI, and instead just regurgitating the posts. (and of course it's a link case so people are less likely to read it, which I hadn't done until a few minutes ago).

It's a collection of small things coming together. Let me try:

147 is him trying to trim down the noise over nothing. I think scum could benefit from the noise and not try to shut it down.

156 asserts it wasn't a random call to drop the nonsense

Spoiler: Actual Quotes, because I want to improve YOUR reading experience <3

I don't understand why people are making a big issue with NC's list tbh, it seems random to me.
I also think RVS is bad and it should be stop very soon. And it does not stop and end like a normal thing does.

Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

1. Red was just putting his piece in. He wasn't trying to 'trim down the noise' and it wasn't really noise anyway.
2. 'Oh I'm just going to regurgitate the meaning of post to make my post look bigger so it gets less scrutiny'

None of this is at all AI, and even if he was trying to trim the noise I don't think that's at all something AI to do.

170 could be seen as defending a p, I guess. But then he did vote Creature early (2nd vote on the wagon) in 383

496 is meh. didn't see the need for him to bring that up as scum (that he faked it before). I mean, it could be seen as establishing association with Montosh, but then he should have had another player say that rather than him stating he faked it before himself.

Spoiler: Actual Quotes, because I want to improve YOUR reading experience <3

VOTE: Creature

I have some super top secret ways to catch scum creature

I thought he was town after making 5 consecutive posts.

VOTE: Creature

I was almost gonna say "Hi Skitter" to you

Red and Montosh are probably not scum together

Ok I just wanna say this:
This type of reads probably don't work on me because I faked it in the past.

1. 'Let's link to a joke post to make it seem like I've been considering this carefully, so I can discredit my real (and very valid) point that he's probably not scum because he voted creature early so I can make him a possible mislynch later on'
2. 'Let's quote a meh (and entirely NAI) post in my towncase so I can look like I'm weighing it up carefully, when if I was town I would already have had a reason to townread RF so wouldn't really be trying to come to a decision when making a case'

500 assuming you yourself are town, why is Red defending your predecessor rather than let the wagon grow or even hop on it? After all, HWS was LHF the way he played (or rather didn't!)

503 same

Spoiler: Actual Quotes, because I want to improve YOUR reading experience <3

Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

I don't understand that HWS post and I don't understand what you found in that post. Scummiest vote on HWS?

HeWhoSwims is still the best vote ATM.

If you think there is not enough posting from that slot to create a read then you need to turn the heat up and get that pan a-fryin'. We shouldn't reward or ignore the lurkers. They've had enough time to hide.

I feel like Jesus Christ is going to HWS's back too heavy too early.

This point essentially rests on assuming Nom is town. The only time eyes even hinted at any sort of read on Nom was in the spoiler (and it is not clear that this is a town read). To me this seems like Eyes knows that Nom is town, and hasn't been thinking about Nom's alignment at all, which is something which town him would definitely do since he's been engaging with Nom quite a bit.

Spoiler: Eyes post on Nom

@nom: I don't really care if you trust me, but you sound like you're trying your best to engage and solve. I would probably be willing to give JL another day/night if you are. I get the feeling he is sincerely appealing here, so maybe he is town playing scummy?

505 seeing as I scum read JL I am more inclined to take this as a town vote

563 back on Creature. He did find a reason to hop off the wagon on scum creature and he's coming back to it at will

Then a series of votes on JL again and again.. and -again- I think it's a townie move to vote JL until I see a flip. I may reconsider if he flips green.

Hmmm... naybe RF should be a town lean not a town read?

Spoiler: Actual Quotes, because I want to improve YOUR reading experience <3

Jesus' ISO looks as bad as 2 of the three people he is trying to vote.
Id say it part of the gimmick this alt has.

Peace be upon you all.

I eagerly await some fine gaming time in this group.

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Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

pisskop

It's appreciated.

VOTE: pisskop

VOTE: Jesus Louisus

VOTE: Creature

1. Eyes' previous post (see spoiler above) hinted at being rather unsure on his Jesus read, and then he revoted Jesus because of some 'wagon-hopping' in the Pedit. Yet this post sounds like he has Jesus as lock-scum. Irrational people can be townie, but it is scummy to have a contradiction in your own mind, which is what Eyes has shown here (and it's not like he had a lot of time to forget it - the posts were less than an hour apart).
2. This is about the 5th naked vote Eyes has posted in this towncase. RF's votes of Creature are indeed a very valid reason to townread him, and the rest of the post was completely unecesarry.
3. 'I want to leave this slot open for when Jesus flips town'

The reduction of the townread of RF is slightly baffling, since the 'kind-of-scummy' posts in this 'case' were null as Eyes basically admitted to.

TLDR: The eyes town case on RF is way too much for anyone who is actually town to have been thinking about - when Nom asked the question Eyes just jumped to the ISO and tried to find some things he could plausibly speak about. That comes from a scum mindset.

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here's a collection of quotes that just ping me, not detailed. I'm not good at cases but these are the posts that I read. What's in here summarizes what I said earlier

What about a crumb for a fake Miller claim down the line?

I don't get where you're going with this.

IMO, He put the word Gun in quotes for a reason

Montosh is 100% town.

Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

Also it only took Saudade 2 pages to blow up the game, nice.

I read this and thought I had scum pt access for a sec.

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

I'll try to make my question more answerable. Your first few posts were just fluff. This nis the first one that makes some meaning. Why is this scum indicative of HWS? And what's your current read on nomnomnomnomnomnom (to an eternity)?

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Why?

I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

Current read on nom is leaning scum.

Why?

I wasn't very fond of the HWS slot to begin with.

That is an answer, but that doesn't answer my question. What has the either HeWhoSwims or nomnomnom done to make you think that they have a scum role?

Because right now I'm siding with them in that you're evasive.

I wouldn't say I'm being evasive, I think of it more like being speculative. Is there anything wrong with that?

I don't get it.

Would you be willing to just trust me?

Not really.

I just want to understand your vote.

What does it matter if you have me as scum.

@Nom:

1. He's explaining the 'rolefish' thing - it actually makes sense that Jesus was susp about that. I don't see why it's scummy?
2, 3, 4. HWS was a little scummy (quite a few of us were posting it). It just seems to me like Jesus was trying to provoke discussion, which IMO comes from town.
5. Jesus is pretty close to being lyched. Of course there is going to be some defeatism.

BTW I would urge you all to read my previous post and then sheep my on eyes. Your support is appreciated <3.

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Also, I was pushing scum d1 b4 niko gamethrew so neener neener.

Good job. You do realize we didn't lynch Creature though right? So it's great that you were "pushing" him but it didn't amount to much.

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This comes from someone who misses their partner.

This was the ‘wagon-hopping. Before that Jesus was voting Eyes (I think this might be a clue).

Also in the space from Jesus’ post to Eyes’ (I imagine there was some before caught in the Pedit too) you became very insistent on Jesus scum. I feel like Eyes wanted to back off Jesus because Jesus was voting him, but when Jesus switched AND you were pushing Jesus it seemed like the Jesus lynch was very much possible and likely to happen without Jesus accusing Eyes of very much.

That’s how I would read it anyway.

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What do you think on my defence of those posts of Jesus?

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Creature

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Every time I try that without the person flipping scum I fail miserably.

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It wouldn’t be you, RF, or Jesus. That’s the only thing I’m sure about

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Indeed, but the point about the Creature votes is very correct.

I think Eyes was kind of pulling out random people who were town and then found townresd in what RF was saying. I don’t think he’d do that to a partner (I was scum with him once and he was obvbussing is both very hard at one point).

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Would you want to lynch Pops?

I’m cooling on Montosh town.

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Would you want to lynch Pops?

I'd be ok with it.

I’m cooling on Montosh town.

y?

My initial townread was a long time ago. I’ve not felt townvibes since.

I prefer eyes very much.

From what game is Eyes’ tone different?

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1401 seems outside of what I think eyes' scumrange would be on a bus so I think a Jesus Louisus lynch can teach us a lot.

Only if it flips scum. A town flip there isn’t very helpful at all.

I feel uneasy about this post actually - it feels like trying to edge the conversation to a Jesus lynch.

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I could lynch both Pops and Eyes tbh.

RF is eh. I would need to think about that. I don’t see him and Eyes as a team though

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Someone who’s Townreading Creature tell me why.

The fact I'm obviously town with no motivation to play this game over frozen scum.

What makes you obvTown? I don’t see it.

First I'd put more energy on this as scum, specially if a wagon on me could easily form if I didn't.

Explain why you moved from HeWhoSwims to RedFlavor.

HeWhoSwims quickly became a boring wagon.

This feels like crappy scum theatre to me.

Consider my lynchpool Eyes/Pops/Alch atm

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I strongly prefer Eyes though

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Oh cool Eyes is actually scum.

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I don’t see why you quoted 601 when I didn’t quote it in my post.

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Yeah, that's the best case I've seen in a while. If you are town here I don't think we have a chance in hell.

I’m not making a case. I’m posting some of my thoughts upon reading Creature’s ISO. And someone mentioned scum Alch so I thought I’d let them know they’re not being stupid.

Like you seem to think I’m not allowed to have more than one scum read.

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I don’t see why you quoted 601 when I didn’t quote it in my post.

I know you didn't because it would have ruined your shade on Alch. You selectively chose your quote to make it look like Alch was scum with Creature.

Clearly. Why else would I be shading Alch? But I don’t understand how that post means Alch isn’t scum with Creature (which is what you were implying)

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I’m confuzzled

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Indeed, but the point about the Creature votes is very correct.

I think Eyes was kind of pulling out random people who were town and then found townresd in what RF was saying. I don’t think he’d do that to a partner (I was scum with him once and he was obvbussing is both very hard at one point).

Here. He says he doesn't think I'd do what I did to RedFlavor as a partner because I obvbus my partners in his experience. The question is why is he not considering JL for scum if he scum reads me for real?

Because you're not obvbussing Jesus.

Sure you're not playing exactly the same as in panic room, but there is less incentive to completely bus here. Plus I think you've learned from that game. What I mean by this is that I think you're not inclined to hard-town lock your partners as scum.

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viewtopic.php?p=11043515#p11043515 is the newbie game (how the fuck pops knows about that I have no idea). I'll have a check.

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UNVOTE:

Seems pretty clear.

VOTE: Red

I don't appreciate lying about your thoughts <3

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Was there ever a wagon on RF?

Creature’s scum game is not so bad so I’m not sure it outweighs outright lies about his thought processes.

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Pops is basically conf not mafia for the Red push, I think the flip implies a SK is likely? Or possible a traitor. But the 2 kills N1 make sense for SK.

Nero was also kind of opposed IIRC

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If there’s a SK it’s definitely BP/(Activated N1/2/3/4 commuter), so I wouldn’t rule someone out for being SK just because they were proactive. I do agree that we should be hunting for scum for now though.

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These roles have been wacky af though

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I was wrong on eyes (I was actually going to push him for SK today so what do I know?) so give me time to re-evaluate.

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I said that I thought it was unlikely Eyes and RF would be scum together, so maybe they picked up on that or something.

Thinking I would suddenly start TR’ing eyes would be strange though, given the apparent existence of a SK.

So I’m still baffed

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No scum shooting Eyes would imply there isn’t a SK/they thought there isn’t one IMO.

#townslip time - do scum get told if there’s a traitor?

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So the only logical way there’s an eyes kill is if there’s a traitor ig.

But of course the kill can happen illogically too.

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Yeah but nobody has pushed me on the Eyes kill though.

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I have some feeling that Kirari is scum.

Jesus is pretty much town from his votes with Creature/Creature’s with him. Creature isn’t too fond of budding IIRC.

I’m going to colour some VC’s with my reads and see where that gets me.

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*bussing

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Also Nero I don’t get what you mean about the whole SK thing? Are you seriously saying that scum have a cop just for setup WIFOM and there just *happened* to be a second kill on N1?

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But you were saying there wasn’t one?

Maybe I just had a brain aneurism, if so ignore me.

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Oh you were being sarcastic.

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But surely it’s the most likely reason given the scum cop.

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RF was commuter and cop. Not a Rolecop, but alignment cop.

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If there’s only one groupscum left then the eyes kill would make sense from someone who has been disengaged and didn’t have anyone to help them make a better call.

Montosh and Orfhz stick out as being in that group for me.

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Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.

I think otter gets not-groupscum points for this. I mean it's not obviously not a bus, but I don't think he really needed to keep pushing Red here when the day looked set for an Eyes vs Jesus lynch.

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It's a song I'm listening to.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Scum

Voting partner in RVS doesn't seem at all implausible, and I guess I could see Red pointing out the fact that he can do this trick as scum as being entirely true for this game.

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Also this is far from the first time that has happened to Montosh so I could see a convo in scum PT saying 'oh yeah pretend I'm skitter for the distance lol'

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Yeah you've got it wrong. I do legit scumread Creature. To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

Hedging on Creature

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I think it's montosh. Soz for defending him.

VOTE: Montosh

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Nah but it’s not really coaching though. It’s kind of like ‘oh I have this thing that people do to me, wanna do it?’

A scumteam with Red and Creature will be relatively engaged (also I’m loling because we were playing a newbie together and we mislynched Creature so obviously something was going on with Red there) so coming out with these ideas doesn’t seem at all unlikely to me.

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Also scum have daychat, which makes it more likely

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Pops you are my favourite person <3.

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Mind telling me what the town tell is so I can use it in future scum games? <3

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I had a hood with him in restless spirits...I think I had too much faith in myself for parsing the difference between his scum and town motivations.

*shrug*

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Can you all just sheep Nero please

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VOTE: Montosh

gg

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Idk

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Montosh if you’re town you might as well claim so we can figure out who the real scum are <3

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:can’t tell if serious:

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I’m disappointed in you Nero-San

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hammer hammer hammer

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Because Jesus didn’t need hammering.

Montosh does <3

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Don’t worry I do it too <3

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I just wanted to see how it felt to be on the other side of this.

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Nah. It feels like I’m a funnie

You should try it sometime

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You’ll come round soon

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Nero are you in any pro-groups?

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Woo! Gg