Normal 222: Black Versus White Mafia (Endgame)

[PenguinPower]

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Neighborized Saudade (now S_S) on N1. Commuted last night. Still retain a bodyguard shot.

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Well this has been an...interesting...present day read through.

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When did the massclaim happen?

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It's cool...my question wasn't relevant...at all...

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but not when you were the un cc'd Tracker, for 2 whole nights.

Rick claimed D2, Chick claimed D3 and Rick retracted, we're in D4.

Did I miss something there?

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I mean - Mumble is not a good player and has had frequent outbursts in the past...that's not alignment indicative for him. Hell, I might have gotten a bit snarky at A50.

What are all the claims?

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+ Chemist - JOAT (neighborizer, commuter, BG)

Not sure why there is a tracker enabler with one tracker. Would have made more sense for scum to go after an unprotectable slot to disable the tracker than the tracker who could possibly be protected.

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So, what did VD do last night? Don't think he's posted yet today.

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woo!

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but not when you were the un cc'd Tracker, for 2 whole nights.

Rick claimed D2, Chick claimed D3 and Rick retracted, we're in D4.

Did I miss something there?

Pretty sure I claimed it Day 1.

Nah - it was D2: viewtopic.php?p=11202755#p11202755

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There are a subset of users I am familiar with for reasons.

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Why did you block LUV?

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But everyone has claimed so who cares about their Mafia Tracker? More important to take care of the PR that could potentially catch them, and the only guaranteed way is the Macho Enabler because of the claimed BG. In reality, VD should have been on S_S last night...you want to crucify him for not being there?

(Also, I think you mean Goon)

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Actually that doesn't make sense - Wiki team needs to re-write the Macho page.

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Is that the case for Enabler roles? Would have thought NAR would have disabled the tracker role that night if the Enabler was killed.

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Kills fall before Invests in the Golden Rule (but after Jails). So, if there is a modifier that would impact the invest, why would the kill not resolve before the invest?

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I didn't write the guidelines.

"Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify."

Commute - Commuter
Blocking - Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Alien
Jailkeep - Jailkeeper
Protection - Doctor, Bodyguard, Babysitter (when it protects)
Miscellaneous - Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor, Hider, Fruit Vendor, Visitor, Mailman
Kill - Mafia factional kill, SK factional kill, Strongman, Vigilante, Babysitter (when it kills)
Role Investigation - Cop, Gunsmith, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Neapolitan, Psychologist, Detective, Traffic Analyst, PT Cop
Action Investigation - Tracker, Watcher, Voyeur, Follower, Motion Detector
If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.

Enabled Tracker -> Enabler -> Killer

Kill would modify the Enabler (alive to dead) which in turn would modify the Enabled Tracker (Enabled to Disabled). Kill would resolve first as it falls before Investigations in the table. Kill action affects both the Enabler and the Tracker, so the bottom caveat would not apply.

Of course, I also note that the Enabler is not on the list so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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What it actually is doesn't matter now; it only matters what the scum thought would happen, which we have no way of knowing. But I think my way is more intuitive?

Maybe. It's not what my first thought was.

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It's a modifier though:

Find an action (or a passive modifier, such as Bulletproof) such that its effect cannot possibly be modified by any other action.

Meh - probably best to discuss after the game.

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^
confirming

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PP, in your opinion, how confident could SS be that Mumble wouldn't BG on the basis of their overnight discussion?

Plausible. He asked if he should BG, and S_S said probably not because he or VD was likely to be the kill.

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Also, VD claimed even night Vig, so I think a commute is really scum indicative, and it might be truthful.

VD claimed 1-shot even night vig and he used it.

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How can anyone tell with you?

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VOTE: PM

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S_S's slot has been fairly townie across two slots in the Neighborhood. Saudade wasn't though.

Don't think I want to vote there even given my reservations about role and last night.

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Probably because I'm town and not a bucket full of rage?

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VOTE: PM
sheeping papa-dalton because I don't even remember who jigglypuff replaced.
probably a cursed slot and someone scummy

Thoughts on Mumble’s slot? Didn’t you want that wagon earlier?

No wagon
Meh let's try again

Kindly join y'all
VOTE: mumble

Well...he's not in the game anymore.....

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Rick is probably town with a correct solve.

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It has me as one of the potential scumteam, yes. I didn't say it was entirely correct.

After my last game with FL where I bucked him because he had me in his solve (but it was correct otherwise), and given how Mumble played this game, I'm not going to fault him for including my slot.

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Wow - being a pedant must be fun for you.

I said the solve was correct. The solve was not just three players. I did not say that he was correct in that every player listed was scum. But sure, let's dig at minor details.

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meta is trash

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hmm....

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Was town.

glgl

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And yet when i’m town, I get mislynched in LYLO.

I mean...there's a reason....