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[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck

[Flavor Leaf]

*first

[Flavor Leaf]

I told you I was gonna start that way in our mason thread

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Wake

Voting a mason, ay?

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn.

VOTE: Flavor

Might as well start the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I gotta ask, why do you usually start out that way FL? Alignment indicative or nah?

It’s a relatively new thing. I don’t think I have any completed games with starting out that way.

A year ago, in the same spot I claimed I was a SK.

I won that game as SK.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I gotta ask, why do you usually start out that way FL? Alignment indicative or nah?

Where did he indicate he usually starts that way lol

Flavor is reading noncomprehension a Scumtell for this guy?^

I’m just gonna sit back for this one

[Flavor Leaf]

I told you I was gonna start that way in our mason thread

I just got access to the mason thread. Sorry didn't see it.

It’s fine.

Hot take:

This game is likely just a modified Friends and Enemies setup.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Unvote

[Flavor Leaf]

Did y’all know the “dance for me dance for me dance for me oh oh” girl was a busker in Australia who would love loop, and she doesn’t use auto tune, and actually is super genuine and real?

Blew me for a loop because I thought that song was annoying until I realized how down to earth and different of a Star she was.

[Flavor Leaf]

Live loop*

[Flavor Leaf]

Mislynching Flavor early is the new cool thing of the month

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot what that term usually is, mind blank

[Flavor Leaf]

So I gotta ask, why do you usually start out that way FL? Alignment indicative or nah?

Wake saying this implies that he believes that’s the way I start every game.

It’s a relatively new thing, and I don’t believe I have done that in any complete games.

Hopefully that just shuts down any of those comments from what it implies

[Flavor Leaf]

Rb and I can’t really go after each other day 1 or we’ll get to page 50 by morning

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

idk about that...

I remember him pocketing you in Mini 1905 (our first ever game together I think)

Years and years ago.

I don’t think that was our first game.

I believe I got mod killed that game because I became so undeniably town and the mod panicked.

Last time I faced ScumRb, we got into it real early, I called him out, and then he replaced out and said I’m a disgusting piece of trash.

I changed the words for exaggeration, but he blacklisted me there, so I haven’t played with him in like a year.

Other than Radiant, I’d say he’s the person I get in the most heavy arguments with, which makes sense, they have a similar style

And I’m good at not letting people like them who can just rule a town not gain heaps of momentum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m like a sponge, though. I don’t clap back, I just take it all in with this thicc skin

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Literally just read Gamma’s post. You have zero context here.

He was feeling ScumRB, and I was clearly talking to him right there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

On top of that, you’re reading the two collectively, which is understandable. The second sentence is an in general thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I just wait until early game dies off

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I just wait until [my wagon] dies off

You're kinda part of this early game though.
Isn't there

something

in the last 7 pages you think is worth pushing? No matter how tiny.

I’m a late game town player early game scum player.

I just kinda talk when I deem necessary, most of the time that’s a lot.

When it’s time to pounce, I’ll pounce.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m VT this game, go for it.

I’ve been kinda lazy in most of my games right now anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

id be happy with a lynch on flavor, dolly or elsa at this point

How could you betray me, anime?

I highly doubt you and Rb would ever get along.

You get along too well with me. He’s anti our style, Elsa.

Nobody understands us, Elsa.

[Flavor Leaf]

You came out of your hole real quick once you were called out, though

Frank beetlejuiced hard, and I gut want to think it was town indicative, because it was like...too immediate

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re cute and lovable, but I’m the right kind of charming and obnoxious that just drives people wild.

Okay, I know beetlejuicing isn’t townie in its own right, but when it’s so blatant, what scum does that?

A lot of times, I read without posting because I don’t have anything to say. That’s one of those things I feel the player would go in scum chat “i need to post soon” rather than posting soon, if that makes sense.



@Elsa - That’s your problem right there, you wear the target on your back.

I hold my target up proudly.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, peeps, join my game i have in sign ups, To Boon or Not To Boon, 21p role madness, need like 7 more slots.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Amawesome - I’ve been around since 2014, I think you weren’t around at that time, but if you played with Boonskiies ever, that’s me. I don’t remember you prior to your current iteration, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Elsa - That’s your problem right there, you wear the target on your back.

I hold my target up proudly.

That's tiring on the arms though. Plus I like having my arms open for other stuff.

Also, I'll start serious posting when something actually serious happens.

Elsa-Frank-FL town block

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh. I AM the beetlejuice? I think I understand the term now. No thanks to Lip.

I guess I could have explained it.

You aren’t the beetlejuice, you beetlejuice’d, which means you showed up right after your name was spoken a la the character Beetlejuice in the cult classic Beetlejuice.

I know I create a lot of vernacular, but I didn’t make this one up!

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought it was a fair point.

AND THERE’S 2 EJ’S HERE!!!

It took me a second to realize you meant espresso

[Flavor Leaf]

Elsa and I won a scum game earlier this year together.

We broke Mastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum can also guide it towards a mislynch lurker by pennywisin’ that shit

And stop with that discussion then, or imma steal your man ^

[Flavor Leaf]

And also, how am I supposed to defend myself without breaking ongoing game rules?

Just ignore Rb

[Flavor Leaf]

3 other people on your wagon, defend from them

[Flavor Leaf]

What is pennywishing?

Pennywising, what i did in new beginnings.

It’s when scum is secretly behind a confrontation and caused chaos within the town of Derry.

You can look back in hindsight and see the metaphorical pictures of the Scum being in the background with an evil grin.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait a damn minute.

Frank, you’re Macabre.

That doesn’t help me to know who you are, but Frank and Macabre have the same yet to be discovered main.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s par for the course with rb. Keep it NAI.

[Flavor Leaf]

That being said, I am okay with the Dunnstral push on the slot itself since it’s for other reasons, which I tend to agree with.

And the last time I saw Rb do this he was scum, so gut is screaming at me, but I’m actively gonna wait for the replacement to read

[Flavor Leaf]

Pretty sure that he already did, and Elsa and I were both on the Dream Team

[Flavor Leaf]

Would you yes me if I said hang?

[Flavor Leaf]

I know rb extremely well, yes. We went to war for years in our rookie years. He’s an above average player, any scum team should be afraid of him, but I think my style is a good counter to his style, and it rubs him the wrong way. Same relationship I have with RC.

Creature, Saudade, and Gobbledygook have styles that all counter my style.

And since somebody brought up Macabre, did anyone ever find out who that was? How do you keep yourself secret for so long?

[Flavor Leaf]

His stance is completely NAI. You can’t really read him this early. He’s good enough at scum to mimic any sort of town game he’d have.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, I don’t think so. I probably would have reset. Being new to the personality, I’d still probably NAI and brush it as personality.

I get why people might lean scum on it, but I really think that becomes one of the things I push as NAI, and if a wagon went on it, I’d probably try and slow it down without actual reason.

I do think you have some reasoning on it, and I get why, and you could be right. I just don’t necessarily think it is AI, but I could be wrong.

If any of that makes sense.

Who’s JV? That’s my stance and memory on that slot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well stop voting me and go on a realistic lynch then.

Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE lynch someone who voted for me after my invitation?

I’m actually cool with this.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been pretty busy.

Working, Star Wars, the like. Other areas on site

[Flavor Leaf]

What he claim?

[Flavor Leaf]

Elsa is not scummy, they’re scum pushed.

I don’t think it’s Espresso either.

Or Frank.

Based entirely on this page, they give me town vibes here. I think their thought processes are rather fluid and genuine, and they’re really present.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Elsa is painfully obvious alignment wise in late game, and as scum they just kinda coast it out in a chaotic fashion, so as long as town doesn’t implode, scumElsa can be caught. Regardless, an eventual confirmed town Elsa can be really solid for late game analysis when looking bac’ at the people who pushed them.

I think we should lynch elsawhere today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s lynch a slot that has some scum equity, but isn’t a super impact on the game. I feel like if we’re able to steer towards scum, it can be obvious later in the game who was protecting where.

[Flavor Leaf]

Zesty take: LUV is scum.

I have multiple scum games with LUV, and I feel I have a decent gut read on him. Most, if not all, of his posting looks like posting for the sake of posting, and specific stances for the sake of specific stances. Usually as town he has at least a couple things here and there to say.

VOTE: LUV

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe this is cherry picking, but I’m going to comment on every single one of his posts.

Interesting opening
VOTE: Flava Leaf

Care to elaborate? Seemed rather dull to me.

Pretty standard RVS by Gamma, idk why LUV pushed this like it was more than it is. It’s not like he doesn’t know that Gamma and I know each other. He’s played enough games with both of us to know this shouldn’t be an issue.

Only vote me if you are scum.

If you are town, don't be trite and vote me. Only scum.

This is a test.

You see, scum can not resist to openwolf right here. It's completely out of their wheelhouse.

Not this shtick again.

Kind of pointless, and NAI. This is an easy discredit mechanic which if LUV flips scum, I would think Dolly would be town.

Interesting opening
VOTE: Flava Leaf

Care to elaborate? Seemed rather dull to me.

The fact he posted “fuck” and then corrected to “first” tells me he may have been upset about something but not wanted to have been so overt about it in retrospect

Also I kinda get a scumvibe from rb’s vote

I think he was just surprised the game had started.

Protection of a buddy or shutting down a townie who’s pushing something without real merit to it. Easy stance to take, non commit all, semi defensive, but not actually. Almost a throwaway.

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

Did it? Very basic, very surface.

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

I thought MariaR was referencing the rules he was breaking

Just seems weird considering she’s a gut and tonal reader.

Now a discredit and a shade towards Maria.

VOTE: Nero

Why is he scum?

Easy comment to make at a naked vote, but I guess this is a fair question.

Too much policy hunting going on.

Always yes.

Too much policy hunting going on.

what about the JV wagon is policy? Seriously?

Everything? The self-vote and not doing much of anything are the only reasons I can gather for his wagon at this time.

“i can gather for his wagon” this is a scummy mindset, I feel. Like i get why town could also give this mindset, but in conjunction with other posts, it looks like LUV is looking for who is the best lynch rather than who is scum.

I read JV's ISO from their first game on site and I'm definitely leaning scum over mislynch bait on the slot now.

If that's the case then I'm for it

VOTE: JV

UNVOTE: unvote

Reading first

This might be nothing but I don’t like the 20+ minute gap here. The natural reaction would have been to unvote immediately in my opinion.

I actually kind of like this even though it’s most definitely nothing. I like it as a scum play too, because it might be nothing, but it could be something. If I scum read Espresso, this might be different, but because I believe Espresso is Scummy Town, or town that scum definitely want to keep open for a mislynch, this comes off as scummy to me.

I hate trying to catch up, and I typically play on limited access.

I also hate dealing with people driving themselves crazy with paranoia, and having to deal with that.

So, I'm claiming. I am full Town Watcher.

The only reason I'm claiming now is because I haven't had time to catch up, and the moment I post anything people will start pointing fingers for no good reason. People keep conflating activity level with alignment, and I'm sick of it. I'm tired of being mislynched for not being very active.

I'm assuming a protective role will help me tonight if not, well, that sucks.

Alright.

This might be nothing but I don’t like the 20+ minute gap here. The natural reaction would have been to unvote immediately in my opinion.

Timeline:
-voted
-started reading
-real life
-needed time
-unvoted
-finished reading
-not revoting

Yeah I imagined something like this is likely which is why I said it’s probably nothing.

Probably nothing, but worth taking up one of his 13 posts this game.

Lucian feels like a terrible lynch waiting to happen.

Why? This feels TMI.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Elsa is painfully obvious alignment wise in late game, and as scum they just kinda coast it out in a chaotic fashion, so as long as town doesn’t implode, scumElsa can be caught. Regardless, an eventual confirmed town Elsa can be really solid for late game analysis when looking bac’ at the people who pushed them.

I think we should lynch elsawhere today.

Have you played games with Elsa in the past?
Also where do you think we should aim our lynch for today, I personally feel we should go for Nero but I can see that nobody shares that read with me.

I think LUV is scum.

Yeah, I’ve played with Elsa, been scum with Elsa, and they play in the games I mod.

I’ve been modding since December straight, and they’ve been in a lot of my games.

Speaking of which, my To Boon or Not To Boon needs 3 more slots until it fills. 21p Role Madness.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be honest, Uzi has really been attached to a few people from my persective. I won't say who yet but if they do flip scum I think I have an idea who may also be scum.

I agree. There’s a decent amount of associations already, and I think starting the wagon will become very informative.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think this is pretty clear townElsa so far. I don’t think scumElsa gets pushed this early and is legit on the table as scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think LUV and JV are both scum but 1 of them are. So carry on

I feel this.

I also kind of like LUV’s response.

I’m good to go JV.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elsa is not scummy, they’re scum pushed.

I don’t think it’s Espresso either.

Or Frank.

Based entirely on this page, they give me town vibes here. I think their thought processes are rather fluid and genuine, and they’re really present.

If scum is pushing Elsa, do you think I’m scum? If so, why aren’t you voting me?

FTR, I’ve never played with Elsa so if you’re town I’d probably be more inclined to trust your read there. I haven’t decided yet on you though, because I dislike the LUV case.

You’re in the middle of the pack for the people pushing, i don’t scum read you necessarily.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alternatively, if LUV is scum, Amawesome’s got a cute new association there

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think scumElsa gets pushed this early

this is not how town reads work.

I’m not looking for town reads, I’m looking for town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why? Gamestate dictactes and scum control the gamestate, and it’s up to town to see where and why it’s happening.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been playing with LUV since they’ve been a newbie.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t care enough to fight LUV’s lynch here but I still don’t think it’s a great lynch.

Let’s talk about this for a second then.

Why isn’t it a great day 1 lynch? The slot has 14 posts. There’s a good amount of associative ties towards it, regardless of which way the flip happens, and there is some scum equity in their posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m also not saying that the pushes on Elsa are bad, for what it’s worth, I just don’t think Elsa is scum, so I’m defending there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ho

[Flavor Leaf]

As scum, why wouldn’t Elsa just make up reads? It’s not like they’re bad scum, they’ve gotten nommed for goodfellas a couple times this year, I believe.

Elsa hard pocketed Mastina in Krazy U Pick.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was feeling the exact same thing that Maria was when she did her last interjection.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we go LUV or JV and move onto the next day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elsa’s not happening today. JV can happen. Makes me believe JV turns into a compromise lynch, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m masons with elsa

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: JV

Let’s just do this.

I think it flips green, but everything they say seems scum motivated.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: LUV

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor

This is likely a hatchet protecting one of the people I was pushing.

I was expecting to get pushed by a scum eventually, and had it been someone who knew me more, I don’t think it would have mattered, but the fact Rabid and I have zero experience together this is probably scum with one of JV or LUV, and my flip flop earlier this page definitely was a magnet to a scum coming towards me.

That’s interesting.

I naked vote changed after JV on purpose. JV makes a lot of AtE like posts that I just feel come across as townie, but then they say a lot of scum motivated things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if I’m feeling ScumRb right now. I usually sniff him out decently.

He's made...a few posts this shouldn't even be a comment right now

Did this read really weird to anyone else?

Not to me. I thought the same thing when Flavor made that post.

This could be a LUV-Rabid pairing.

The fact that this post is also essentially the most content this slot has produced is also sketch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor fake claims on the regular. I don’t believe the claim.

Do you think he's scum?

He was obviously planning it from the beginning. Don't see why town would plan out a fake claim in advance.

Lol

Why would scum do it so blatantly

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, my zero experience with Rabid might be moot, and it might change my mind on the slot

[Flavor Leaf]

I just like to spice things up

[Flavor Leaf]

It is AI, actually. It’s town indicative

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, it still might be scum indicative of Rabid thinking about it deeper.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a bad paranoia feeling Gamma could be Cross Guarding me, but i like the fact if I ever go down someone’s here to push Rabid anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah. I feel they have connections with LUV.

Gamma’s pulling a really strong scum move with his Cross Guard if he is scum, and that is definitely not Occam’s.

Cross Guarding: When a Scum attacks a townie who is attacking a townie who is targeting a partner of the scum in hopes to add pressure to that first townie and gain faith and rapport with the townie attacking the partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I have no idea with JV tbh.

I’ll lynch them to end the day, so we might as well just go there. If it’s a mislynch, it’s a mislynch. We have a day. Better than a no lynch

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Rabid

Hmm, maybe this can happen.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m really weak against AtE, guys

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah. I feel they have connections with LUV.

Gamma’s pulling a really strong scum move with his Cross Guard if he is scum, and that is definitely not Occam’s.

Cross Guarding: When a Scum attacks a townie who is attacking a townie who is targeting a partner of the scum in hopes to add pressure to that first townie and gain faith and rapport with the townie attacking the partner.

So you think I’m scum with LUV? I guess I can at least tell you how I feel there, I think he isn’t a bad option, but if he’s being legit scumread for inactivity that is silly, he is just a lurker nowadays. Would rather lynch a scummy player today.

Nah, that’s more of a tinfoil

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, i don’t know who to go. They all are AtE’ing me well.

[Flavor Leaf]

JV has AtE’d hard in general, not towards me.

LUV ate’d me after my push.

And Rabid has some AtE hidden in his logic, but admittedly, less than the others.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, looking at LUV’s ISO, I guess he didn’t AtE, but the way he responded to his wagon didn’t come across as scummy to me

[Flavor Leaf]

Which kind of breaks my hatchet case on Rabid.

I’m overthinking a lot right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

If JV were to be the lynch it would have already happened by now.

this is not how this works. He has buddies who are going to be less likely to vote him not to mention wrong/hesitant town. In a fairly recent large I had to tunnel scum for 100 pages b4 they were the d1 lynch. In that game scum FL also went to bat for his buddy so keep that in mind if Elsa flips scum.

Which was this?

[Flavor Leaf]

rc's upick? you and cheeky were scum together.

I don’t think that was me. RC and I don’t interact in games together.

Was it Skygazer’s? Yeah, that’s like my main scum defeat of the year which made me start hard bussing a lot.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, i just lost a newbie scum game where I hard defended my partner too.

I can’t do that kind of thing anymore that hard or I lose as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see Dolly being scum, but they’re playing around me well for the day if they are

[Flavor Leaf]

You think one of the Green players on the vote count are scum to make it seem like the colors don’t matter on the VC?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oi, what brings ye and the Life Ender to Hallownest, milord.

[Flavor Leaf]

Zote, do me a liquid, and vote Rabid.

Idk if it scum flips, but we have 10 hours.

I actually think it greens based on it being the only one to go through.

You know what? Fuck it.

VOTE: LUV

All my association stuff and cases have something to do with this slot. Let’s lynch this today, please.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: JV

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not mason, don’t let elsa kill me and Mastina me

[Flavor Leaf]

I meant to say Creature me, and break me like Mastina broke

[Flavor Leaf]

I just coasted on a JK claim for like 3 days not too long ago as scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I just coasted on a JK claim for like 3 days not too long ago as scum

Bro I'm hammered

Yeah, i did it

[Flavor Leaf]

I would

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d be tying bunch of fake associative adound

[Flavor Leaf]

I like how we all unapologetically added votes for emphasis

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m a Weak watcher, I targeted Amrun, and I got a guilty on 2 people last night.

[Flavor Leaf]

[Flavor Leaf]

What you do, Dunn

[Flavor Leaf]

So are you folks not at all skeptical of Flavor's outlandish claim,

Yeah I've been wondering why anyone believes him. He'll probably just come back and say he was trying to shake things up.

VOTE: Dolly

*spice

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m not watcher.

I was waiting for Gamma to do something, tbh. I’ve done this exact gambit before, and if I can find where it’s at, I specifically called out the final 2 scum with it to make sure they claimed last because we did a “i didn’t target blah blah” mass thing with everyone.

I think there were some solid tells in the past few pages tbh.

My town reads are strengthened on Frank and Elsa. Dolly definitely went down.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ya know what, I think I town read Wake too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Zote also looks pretty good.

Luv still looks scummy, and I want that lynch. Dunn is a little under average now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ya know what, I think I town read Wake too.

Out of curiosity, why?

Your watcher claim mixed in with whatever pm issues you were bringing up. Like, technically it exonerates you from bringing up a result, but like...that’s so blatant, if you’re scum, I expect you to eventually get caught because of the hole you got put in. Sure, scum watcher could be a thing, but then you wouldn’t have had to bring up the PM thing.

Idk, i just don’t see it being a scum move.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or incredibly genius scum

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: LUV

Back to this

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually like that case on Maria and see it coming from town, but i may be just glossing over it. Regardless, I think espresso’s town

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually like that case on Maria and see it coming from town, but i may be just glossing over it. Regardless, I think espresso’s town

It's not even a 'case' more so as baseless statements that don't add up to much. So tell me what you like about it?

The fact that he did it. Wasn’t referring to the sustenance in itself, but it looks as if from his mind he believes they are scummy. Whether they are or not depends on your alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

I forget what my reads are tbh. I was gone for too long

[Flavor Leaf]

Lock town

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just coasting until I can come out of nowhere and solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

lynch flavor leaf

Meant for your scum thread?

[Flavor Leaf]

What did LUV claim?

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t. I was just asking you an honest question.

[Flavor Leaf]

He claimed JK? I just fake claimed JK as scum in a game with him.

JK can easily be scum JK or RB

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you mean claimed LUV’s actions? I didn’t even know what he claimed for the longest time.


And I claimed VT a lonnnnngggggg time ago

[Flavor Leaf]

if anyone thinks this is scum me, that’s just hilarious. I’ve done shit all this game

[Flavor Leaf]

I can’t be your Tom Cruise, bitch

I’m Patrick Swayze.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even know who I’m voting rn

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Dolly

Frank’s just wrong, Dolly’s scum then.

It’s funny because these were the 2 I was town reading earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all want me to bring the thunder?!?!?

[Flavor Leaf]

I say, Y’ALL WANT ME TO BRING THE THUNDER?!?!?

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are we killing me, i just saw it come out of nowhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk.

I wanted to solve tomorrow.

You can flip me if you want, and it can be someone else’s game to solve.

I’ll just flip VT.

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I missing a lot of claims that happened? I’m so lost. Who is clearing who? Dunn got cleared?

I zoned out of this game for like a week. Sorry.

I got super busy. I just got my pool key, and I’m in the pool area, but I’m nervous about taking my clothes off still.

Hit me with the know how, Nero, how’s the water?

[Flavor Leaf]

That was a symbolic pool key, if that wasn’t clear. I’m not actually in a pool

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna know what love is

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

JacksonVirgo [7]: MariaR, Zote the Mighty, Espressojet, Dolly Parton, Nero Cain, Rabid Schnauzer, Flavor Leaf
Gamma Emerald

Rabid Schnauzer [4]: Dunnstral, Frank, JacksonVirgo, Amrun

Not Voting [3]: Elsa Jay, Lil Uzi Vert, Wake88

Gamma Emerald is technically an 8th vote and was unnecessary, but it’s reflected on the vote count.

Most Current

Dolly Parton [1]: Zote The Mighty

Elsa Jay [1]: Nero Cain

Flavor Leaf [4]: Frank, Rabid Schanuzzer, MariaR, Dolly Parton

MariaR [4]: Dunnstral, Lil Uzi Vert, Espressojet, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [2]: Elsa Jay, Wake88

The Amrun kill implies scum wanted to kill someone off of the JV wagon, which means there’s likely multiple on there, at least 2. 15 player game, I imagine 4 scum. At least one off the wagon. Amrun dying takes pressure off of Rabid, along with JV dying, which split the Rabid wagon from Day 1 in half.

This is extra interesting because currently not a single player is on Rabid. I’m actually going to count Gamma Emerald as off the wagon for clarity’s sake.

I’ll also put myself on the lists, just so you guys don’t see it like “you’re just scum keeping yourself off”. I know the solve doesn’t include me because I’m town.

Pool #1: The JV wagon

At least 2 scum are in this.

MariaR
Zote the Mighty
Espressojet
Dolly Parton
Nero Cain
Rabid Schnauzer
Flavor Leaf

Pool #2:

Off The JV wagon

At least 1 scum is in this.

Frank
Dunnstral
Elsa Jay
Lil Uzi Vert
Wake88

Pool #3:

The FL wagon.

At least 1 scum is on this.

Frank
Rabid
MariaR
Dolly


Pool #4:

The Maria Wagon

At least 1 scum is on this.

Dunnstral
Lil Uzi Vert
Espressojet
Gamma Emerald


Pool #5:

Avoidance of the FL/Maria wagons:

At least 1 scum is here.

Elsa Jay
Wake88
Zote
Nero


The reason 3/4 exist is because I am currently not even on Maria, but Maria is on me, which implies that Maria is the wagon that is more likely to go through based on Wagonomics. Now, is she scum and scum is trying to avoid this, or is she town being mislynched is the question.

[Flavor Leaf]

Now the biggest stand out for me personally is the Rabid wagon day 1.

If Rabid is town, and Dunn is actually inno’d like was said, this means Frank being town would require the Rabid wagon to be all town on town, which I don’t buy. If that were the case, I don’t ever see JV wagon going through.

This means that we have a new pool.

Pool #6:

At least 1 of these are scum. I think it’s possible they both are even, but it’s never TvT.

Frank
Rabid

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m going to do some cross canceling based on my own analysis. Do with this what you will, feel free to do your own analysis with the pools.


Pool #1: The JV wagon

At least 2 scum are in this.

MariaR

I do think Maria is the most likely to be lynched from Wagonomics, so I kind of want to say she’s town here. Unless she’s scum who’s given up, but I don’t think it’s too hard for scum to avoid a Maria lynch, so I wanna gut say they are town. I could be wrong.

Zote the Mighty
Espressojet
Dolly Parton

Nero Cain

i don’t think Nero is scum based on their elsa push right now, and the fact that they easily could pile onto either myself or Maria, which would be 2 strong lynches. From my POV, Nero doesn’t make sense to be scum with Maria ever, or else he’s actively letting her go down.

Rabid Schnauzer

Flavor Leaf

this is for my own analysis, so I’m cutting myself out. If I die, please look at this post.

Pool #2:

Off The JV wagon

At least 1 scum is in this.

Frank

Dunnstral

regardless of LUV’s alignment, I think this becomes town based on LUV’s actions.

Elsa Jay

Lil Uzi Vert

are we believing this? If we are, then it’s a clear. @LUV - can you just full claim?

Wake88

Pool #3:

The FL wagon.

At least 1 scum is on this. I could see there being 2 here right now, tbh.

Frank
Rabid

MariaR

Dolly

Pool #4:

The Maria Wagon

At least 1 scum is on this.

Dunnstral
Lil Uzi Vert

Espressojet
Gamma Emerald

Pool #5:

Avoidance of the FL/Maria wagons:

At least 1 scum is here.

Elsa Jay
Wake88
Zote

Nero

Pool #6

Frank
Rabid

[Flavor Leaf]

I think my way too early solve is...

Dolly Parton, Zote the Mighty, Gamma Emerald, Frank scum team.


You can sub in Elsa/Rabid in there somewhere, and if LUV/Maria is scum, that changes as well, but from where I’m at now, that’s the scum team I’m feeling. It hits all the marks that I was looking into. My biggest biggest thing is Rabid not having a wagon now, but that actually has merit to it because JV and Amrun are dead, and Frank kept his read, but is on me for some reason that I have no clue.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m town reading Espressojet, so while he’s on some of those, I just don’t feel he’s scum.

Wake I just feel isn’t doing anything if they are scum, and I feel scum are more attentive than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

So the chances that someone else is lynched instead of you. Or is your lynch what's best for town?

Wouldn't that be scum motivated survival if LUV was basically like "I don't care who gets lynched as long as it's not me"? I don't get what you're asking him here

town!luv would only be aware of HIS alignment and should be against his MISLYNCH. If he KNOWS he is town then he should help us lynch another slot. If we are just doing a "Day 1, Shoot in the dark" lynch then he would know that lynching blinding anywhere else gives us a better shot at hitting scum.

Same logic applies to LUV being scum too fool! He'd want to redirect the lynch onto someone who isn't himself or his buddies.

VOTE: Wake

I will switch my vote to any guilty FL lets us know about. But if he keeps the info to his self then we will have to lynch him today.

Yes lynch the claimed watcher before he outs his results. Smart idea fool.

Are we all just forgetting that Wake already claimed watcher?

Now bringing actual analysis from non wagonomics, I feel this is extremely scum indicative of Zote and the way they are communicating with a partner. It looks like they are actively trying to show that they are talking to Dolly, and look where Zote’s vote is currently, on Dolly. That’s not real.

[Flavor Leaf]

Amrun? Interesting nk. What does it mean?

Pedit.
Oh

Veryyyyy interesting....

I’m a Weak watcher, I targeted Amrun, and I got a guilty on 2 people last night.

Welll... How long do we have to wait

I’m a Weak watcher, I targeted Amrun, and I got a guilty on 2 people last night.

Whut.

2 people murdered Amrun?

It could have been an investive I guess

Well then I guess I'd rather Flavor out only the one he thinks is bad and not the investigative then.

He could vote the one he finds scummiest and we all just sheep him and the he only outs the 2nd if we mislynch.

Or we just wait and let everyone chime in and see if FL squeeze any extra info out.

Make the scum squirm a little.

These are the posts Dolly made after I claimed my watcher on Amrun. This looks generally concerned and also putting up a show.

Plus, the “Amrun kill, what does it mean” is incredibly contrived.

This also makes me feel like Dolly is scum who did NOT make the scum night kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

are you suggesting that he not out his result b/c that seems insanely dumb.

are you suggesting that he not out his result b/c that seems insanely dumb.

I think we don't want to out a pro-town role

Is that the smartest plan here?

Townie af reactions to the watcher claim

[Flavor Leaf]

Too much foreplay FL, spill it

I mean Lip

are you suggesting that he not out his result b/c that seems insanely dumb.

I think we don't want to out a pro-town role

I think the trade off of catching one scum is worth the chance of outing another TPR.

He should out the one he thinks is scum but not out the other one.

Zote and Frank talks. Zote’s doing damage control. Frank is trying to get me to out early.

I don’t believe Frank made the night kill.

It was Zote or Gamma. Zote’s comments here imply that he could be trying to setup and act like he was a PR. I didn’t catch it at first, but looking back at it now, this definitely looks like he’s a bit worried about “being outed” and trying to make it so I only state 1 name, hope it isn’t them, and then they can kill me off later.

This checks out more because of Frank’s push on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

The one known as Flavor Leaf is semi-VLA so basically hr blue balled us and didn't give us anything elsa to talk about while he's away. So:

1: What was Amrun's Readlist? Was it good enough that scum killed them for it?
2: Does Their death town clear or scum lock anyone in particular?
3: any updates from anyone would be nice if they're thoughts are different now.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Don't be a douche, Dunn. Also please someone elsa comment because this phase will get boring if we wait only for Flavor to get back.

Townie af, Elsa. Townie af.

[Flavor Leaf]

So are you folks not at all skeptical of Flavor's outlandish claim, or are you waiting for the rest of his claim before saying something? What's going on here

I'm starting to get skeptical since he has just teased us so far.

Wake being lurky makes me think he is one of the guiltys

VOTE: Wake

I will switch my vote to any guilty FL lets us know about. But if he keeps the info to his self then we will have to lynch him today.

but would scum!FL shoot Amrun N1? Guess it depends on the other scummers.

If we DO have a vig should they out themselves if they targeted Amrun last night?

Wake being lurky makes me think he is one of the guiltys

Slow down there cowboy

What isn't he the other watcher we have? It seems like he should have something for us. Besides he has posted elsewhere on site but not here.

This is a scum motivated series of posts.

The vig claim came off innocent enough, and then Dolly’s already starting to throw the shade onto Wake here.

I honestly believe Wake is town here not putting through an action.

Wake didn’t even try to counter me or even pay attention, he’s obviously not full in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sigh

If it’s not you, it’s Rabid. You’re actually one of the ones I’m less sure on currently.

Dolly is lock scum, Zote is very likely scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rabid what are you doing?

2 guiltys
2 watcher claims

and you vote poor little ol' me?

I think you may in fact be rabid

not a snowball's chance in hell scum!rabid votes me right here. Rabid is conftown.

Rabid is probably upset at the conftown because that means he won't be SR anymore and will have to be a team player.

My response to my own response:

Don't fight it, rabid join us!!!

Don't be a lone Schnauzer this game!

This is 100% distancing away from Rabid in preparation or trying to tie associations to mislynch Rabid eventually.

Dolly never flips green here.


Also, Dunn has high high town equity this game based on his reaction towards me saying it was him and him saying so quickly and casually.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rb tends to replace out as scum against me.

I think you’re my #4 pick for scum atm.

I can’t really explain scumGamma, though, I just really feel he’s scum.

The cross guard thing I mentioned earlier felt like it happened. His vote on Maria, and I feel he’s white knighting me.

I feel like Gamma has actively played in a way where by all means I should town read him, and I do town read him, which is why I’m scum reading him, because if I’m town reading Gamma, I should be soul reading him as town at this point, but it all feels contrived.

Dolly/Zote/Gamma, one of Frank/Rabid, I kind of want to switch them, because I know I town read Frank earlier for a reason.

[Flavor Leaf]

WAIT I MESSED UP IN THE POOL

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma Emerald is supposed to be in Pool #2 because he was technically late for the JV, he just joined at the end after the hammer, so he is in this pool.

Pool #2:

Off The JV wagon

At least 1 scum is in this.

Frank

Dunnstral

regardless of LUV’s alignment, I think this becomes town based on LUV’s actions.

Elsa Jay

Lil Uzi Vert

are we believing this? If we are, then it’s a clear. @LUV - can you just full claim?

Wake88

Gamma Emerald

[Flavor Leaf]

Dolly, Zote, Gamma, Rabid is the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Wake - Watch Lil Uzi Vert tonight

@LUV - Investigate in those 4

[Flavor Leaf]

I also think Scum is abusing Espressojet, and they shift the gamestate to pushing for when he votes a townie.

He’s probably expected to be a late game mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Rabid - idk which one of you or Frank is scum, but if it’s Frank, please see me as town. You’re generally pretty good at reluctantly town reading me correctly, emphasis on the reluctant, even when people are pushing me as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - I might just be paranoid, I guess, but yeah.


@Zote - you’re scum, I have nothing to converse with you

[Flavor Leaf]

Dolly and Gamma were 2 and 3 on the first JV wagon. They were then 3 and 2 on my wagon. These slots need attention.

Also, maria and FL are 2 and 3 on the current LUV wagon if you are using vote placements as SRs.

Gamma is first on LUV in this scenario, yes, but both Maria and I brought up going there early. This is a Careful timing of wording to push us.

And Rabid is 100% the type to shade his partners the way he is. He’s probably barely even communicating with them if they have day chat together.


Also, Zote was on dolly, but was looking for a way to move off in Elsa Jay.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I never lose if I’m the first scum lynched. Doesn’t matter if you pay attention to the stuff or not.

But I’m VT here.


Listen to my solve after I’m dead.

[Flavor Leaf]

I never claim VT here as scum. :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

Then switch Zote with Elsa.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, your Pool are off because TECHNICALLY frank was on the JV wagon it just wasn't shown in the WRONG VC from EOD1.

Also, Elsa was on the JV wagon and Gamma should be listed as OFF.

Just so your wagonomics are based on reality instead of the false VC.

You just proved that you’re scum with Rabid here, also.

[Flavor Leaf]

@LUV - investigate me tonight.
@Wake - Watch LUV. Do it right now if you think you’re gonna miss the night.

@Zote - if you’re town, we should vote Maria.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rabid, Dolly, Elsa and one other as the scum team.

This also checks out with Nero pushing Elsa and Jet pushing Elsa, but nothing picks up ever

[Flavor Leaf]

My only hesitation with voting FL is that I’ve seen scum still go on to win time after time again after his lynch. I rather not risk him being the first scum lynch.

This is a bad reason to not lynch someone imo.

I agree, but I’m town, so I’m not gonna stop it here

[Flavor Leaf]

Zote, if you’re town, you know I NEVER claim VT here, and stick to it from so early.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Zote - if you’re town, we should vote Maria.

What happened to Dolly being lock scum?

We have 1 day, how is Dolly going to get lynched over me?

I’d rather force scum to kill me, or get caught by a watcher on LUV.

Dolly is lock scum. Get her lynched over me then

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been on Dolly, but there’s only a day left, and I’m L-2

[Flavor Leaf]

No scum will.

I really really really really wanted to do my did somebody say L-1

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. I think Maria and I are both town

[Flavor Leaf]

@FlavorLeaf Is this a typical lump sum analysis on-site for you, or just when you're catching up on a game?

I only do it generally when I’m trying to solve a game outright, so i don’t get to do it much.

I’ve done it on occasion, but usually when I do, it’s at least Day 3, and I catch around 2/3 scum

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m like 95% sure Dolly, Rabid, Elsa are the scum team right now. The probable last slot can go to either Gamma, Frank, maybe Wake.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unless LUV was straight up lying

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess Nero could be having an under the radar deepwolf game, but I’m not really feeling it.

It would make sense why he went to Maria right when Dolly was picking up a bit

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s tinfoily, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I really don’t feel good about Maria flipping scum.

If you’re town, Espresso, which I think you are, it’s at L-1 without you even being on it

[Flavor Leaf]

I also think with a Maria lynch, Espresso probably dies tonight if LUV is scum, hell, even if LUV is town, just never flip LUV, none of his inno’s would come off.

Feel free to go off book, Wake, but LUV is never a bad choice.

[Flavor Leaf]

like rabid claimed hood mates with Maria an HOUR ago. An Hour. And you really couldn't remember something from an hour ago?

it's rabid and maria. Still think all these "derp" moments are fake as shit.

This also heavily implies that Rabid and Maria are not both scum. They both can very well be town.

I feel Dolly has more chance at flipping scum than Elsa, but I’ll go Elsa over Maria.

VOTE: Elsa

[Flavor Leaf]

@Luv - investigate ME.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching the real Jailkeeper because you want to save Maria.

Good job guys.

Lol lynch this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Essentially a Commuterizer claim. Who’d you target last night

[Flavor Leaf]

Essentially a Commuterizer claim. Who’d you target last night

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would I know? I’ve only pplayed with you a couple of times

[Flavor Leaf]

And if we’re playing that game, you should know I never claim VT here, and that I go through essentially pushing every single player as scum during my town games.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I wanted Dolly over you.

[Flavor Leaf]

If anyone got a result on Wake last night, that is a counter to Elsa’s claim.

Could be Scum Alien still, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

Watcher
Investigative
Unnamed PR but semi obvious who

Pair of neighbors
Alien

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Elsa

Dunn’s untouchable right now because LUV.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only way my analysis is completely wrong with the pools is if LUV is scum, by the way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, when the top 2 wagons are town, you gotta.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rabid is clearly scum here, and the fact Dolly’s so hard to lynch also shows it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynch Dolly or Rabid.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Rabid

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn’s untouchable right now because LUV.

I was about to ask why and then I remembered the inno b/c I legit hated how he did squat all but whine about being called useless and then voted Elsa.

I don’t think ScumLUV inno’s his buddy, so I think Dunn’s pretty likely to be town based on nothing Dunn’s done. However, i liked how Dunn reacted towards me claiming watcher on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

He did one earlier today

[Flavor Leaf]

Which wagon has had the most resistance so far?

That in itself to me is a big tell.

Dolly’s and Elsa’s until recently.

My wagon and Maria have been going literally tooth and nail all day. The only reason i haven’t been lynched is because Dunn, Nero, and Espresso seem to see that I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think we're not getting a lynch before deadline

Maria will end up getting compromise lynched

[Flavor Leaf]

Jailkeeper on me, Watcher on LuV, any other unclaimed town protective on Wake

Thoughts?

This seems right

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh yeah, Espressojet’s the co creator of the base form of that

[Flavor Leaf]

But the Boon Wars finale of it, woo, that was Brutal.


Yeah, it took me way longer to do my VCA than expected.

However, it is a good looking vote count, and I’m all about experimenting with different stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maria’s at L-2?

We can just go there. Need 1 more person, I guess

[Flavor Leaf]

We just need a lynch within like 12 hours.