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[Luca Blight]

Davesaz looks terribly scummy right now as well, though.

Here’s an idea, as I’m dying tonight anyway why not make the ‘scummy five’ all claim today?

Members of the scummy five being, Menalque, Wake, Dolly, Davesaz, Pisskop.

[Luca Blight]

Because I feel like it.

I claimed vig because I believe I’d be NK tonight anyway - it wouldn’t be hard for scum to work out who shot A50.

[Luca Blight]

Also, after reviewing the vote counts day one it doesn’t seem A50/FL were too desperate to save Wake in terms of using their votes to push counter-wagons, so it’s possible scum had an easy ride D1.

I’m unsatisfied that I have no less than 5 scum reads with only two scum remaining, hence wanting to look elsewhere.

[Luca Blight]

Although, bar Davesaz, this Wake wagon is incredibly townie.

Votecount 1.16

Wake88

(8): Dunnstral, davesaz, Zote the Mighty, PMysterious, Reundo, Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, Luca Blight

Vorkuta

(3): Layla, Wake88, Fish Monger

Luca Blight

(1): Chemist1422

splitfarvle

(1): Tea

davesaz

(1): splitfarvle

Dunnstral

(1): Vorkuta

Not Voting

(3): Billy Pilgrim, Almost50, Flavor Leaf

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: Frozen at 3 days pending replacement.

[Luca Blight]

What do you think of my idea that the ‘scummy five’ should all claim today?

[Luca Blight]

It may help sort one or two of them, and prevents potential WIFOM later in the game.

[Luca Blight]

For the reasons I gave above. It is by far the scummier half of the Town, and if there’s anything that can help sort one or two of them then that’d be great.

[Luca Blight]

What’s your read on Menalque?

[Luca Blight]

I agree that there was nothing townie about Menalque’s predecessor.

[Luca Blight]

I was TR’ing you Yesterday, and I wish Norwegian played his hand better as it would have been interesting to see how you reacted. As it were, I think you should have taken a step back to consider after the claim, but I can’t entirely blame you for how it went down.

I’m more SR’ing you for your general play. It feels weird how you came in, tried to target me based only on the wagons and then went full pelt at Norwegian without taking any time to sort anyone else. I tried to engage you on A50 but you brushed it away. I don’t like how you’ve started D4 - you’re not doing anything to solve the game right now.

[Luca Blight]

Don't worry Luca, nobody thinks you're SK, an odd night SK would be a very cruel punishment indeed

The odd night part of the claim could be a ruse to explain the missing N2 kill.
In rebuttal to Luca's question about outing it being suicidal for a SK, if you compare that with getting lynched maybe not.
Despite that I think he's probably vig anyway, that being the hypothesis with the fewest holes.
I think I was TR him before but my brain is mush after being on the go darn near all day yesterday.

The last bit seems weird - you said I was obvious Town when I was wagoned D3, but now you can barely remember TR’ing me? I should be more obviously town than ever after that claim.

[Luca Blight]

What about the other three - Menalque, Wake and Pisskop?

[Luca Blight]

Davesaz, that’s a complete overreaction. On that basis nothing you do could ever be questioned.

[Luca Blight]

Votecount 3.06

Dolly Parton

(5): NorwegianboyEE, Dunnstral, Luca Blight, Reundo, Tea

Luca Blight

(3): Menalque, Wake88, Almost50

Almost50

(1): Gamma Emerald

Wake88

(1): Hectic

Dunnstral

(1): Dolly Parton

NorwegianboyEE

(1): pisskop

Menalque

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-10 09:30:00)

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Mod Notes:

Prodding Hectic

My wagon is awful here, while the Dolly wagon looks very pure. It could be that Dolly is scum with either Wake or Menalque, especially given how Menalque tried to set me up as soon as he entered the game.

[Luca Blight]

Votecount 3.05

Luca Blight

(4): splitfarvle, Wake88, Almost50, Dolly Parton

Dolly Parton

(4): NorwegianboyEE, Dunnstral, Luca Blight, Reundo

Wake88

(2): Gamma Emerald, Hectic

splitfarvle

(2): Tea, davesaz

Not Voting

(1): Fish Monger

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-10 09:30:00)

This is probably the more appropriate VC.

Dolly gets a townie point though for jumping off my wagon and onto Dunn after this.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: split

I think Luca is pretty obvtown, don't see a good reason for any of the scumreads there. I'm always willing to listen because I have a soft spot for reasonable posting, but if you think he's scum you're going to need to actually sell it to get my vote.

I see what you mean about A50. I also don't think he's as loose and playful as normal. I'm not sure about it because I see him more often as original player and less often as a replacement.

This isn’t too bad, I’m willing to give Davesaz the benefit of the doubt for today. I realise I’m setting the bar quite low here.

[Luca Blight]

Votecount 3.04

Luca Blight

(5): splitfarvle, NorwegianboyEE, Wake88, Almost50, Dolly Parton

splitfarvle

(3): Tea, Dunnstral, Reundo

Wake88

(2): Gamma Emerald, Hectic

Almost50

(1): Luca Blight

Not Voting

(2): davesaz, Fish Monger

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2019-12-10 09:30:00)

I *think* all the scum are either one my wagon or not voting here. The chances of at least one of Wake/Menalque being scum seems quite high.

[Luca Blight]

I’m a little perturbed by how Tea discredited my A50 SR at every turn. Still think Tea is Town but something to bear in mind for later in the game, perhaps

[Luca Blight]

Davesaz, do you have any scum meta I can look at?

[Luca Blight]

I think Wake is the ‘correct’ lynch today, tbh. Even if he’s Town he’s going to a liability later in the game. It would also give some valuable info regarding wagons this game.

I’m not sure why but I feel less inclined to lynch Dolly. I think it should either be Wake or Menalque for the chop today.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Wake88

Time to claim.

[Luca Blight]

Wake and Dolly should both claim.

[Luca Blight]

I’m getting the feeling more and more that Pisskop is lurkscum.

Is he normally disinterested as scum?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Pisskop

I’m not comfy letting him stay under the radar like this.

[Luca Blight]

I’m also leaning Town on Davesaz due to interactions with A50.

Leaning Town on Hectic as well.

[Luca Blight]

Wake, Dolly and Pisskop is today’s Lynch pool, and they should claim in that order.

[Luca Blight]

Did you crumb your role at all, Dolly?

[Luca Blight]

I just iso’d Fish monger and saw he claimed VT after Flavor ‘outed’ him.

I think I’d rather lynch this slot today.

[Luca Blight]

Pisskop and Fish Monger are the same person.

[Luca Blight]

Pisskop hasn’t claimed anything, he just referenced the earlier claim from his Fish Monger account.

[Luca Blight]

If she’s Town then she’s played her role terribly. Does it make sense to keep her around for one more day, though, given we have a conftown in the game?

If I die then lynch her without blinking. If I live we’ll still probably lynch her, although we can consider things further.

[Luca Blight]

So who do you think we should lynch today?

[Luca Blight]

Not feeling Pisskop?

[Luca Blight]

He hasn't done anything Townie all game that I can see. He also lightly defended A50 Yesterday.

He's making it clear he's not gong to do anything going forwards as this game is apparently 'beneath his radar', and given his VT claim he seems as good a lynch as anyone for Today.

[Luca Blight]

Are you still doubting my claim, Dolly?

[Luca Blight]

Why do you want to lynch one of the unclaimed slots over one of the VT claims?

[Luca Blight]

I don't like Davesaz' recent posts, so I'm willing to along with this.

VOTE: Davesaz

[Luca Blight]

It’s frustrating deciding who to lynch when you scumread half of the players in the game.

[Luca Blight]

Davesaz should claim.

[Luca Blight]

Out of Davesaz/Wake/Pisskop I'm not too bothered really. It's hard to put one read above another, but I slighty prefer a Wake lynch due to him being defended by both dead scum D1.

VOTE: Wake88

[Luca Blight]

mmmm.

why is tea town?

He could be scum, but then I'd have to believe that four of the

'scummy five

' players are Town.

I reiterate, if four of those five players are Town then Town doesn't deserve to win this game.

[Luca Blight]

Yes, Dolly is probably scum for not protecting Chemist N2, but it is best not to kill her tonight just in case she is telling the truth. We can lynch her Tomorrow.

Wake is as good a lynch as any for today. It's the best lynch information-wise given the wagons this game.

[Luca Blight]

That’s different, he was a JK. I can understand on some level why a JK would not want to target an investigative and would try and target scum instead. There is literally no reason why you, as a N2 Doc, shouldn’t have protected Chem.

[Luca Blight]

Actually, I just can’t see this claim being true. There’s too many holes in it.

VOTE: Dolly

[Luca Blight]

Err no, that wasn’t the hammer.

[Luca Blight]

And I wasn’t even on the Nor lynch wagon, so it wasn’t my mistake to begin with.

You can’t blame me for scumreading you when you’ve played your supposed role entirely wrong.

[Luca Blight]

A team player would have protected the conftown investigative.

[Luca Blight]

Why did you self-vote? It seems like you’re trying to make yourself similar to NorwegianboyEE.

[Luca Blight]

Voting yourself isn’t going to change my mind, especially when it was done to copy Nor and when you pretended to hammer yourself. You’re being deceptive and it’s only making me SR you more.

I’ll look through some past games and see if I can make any sense of this claim.

[Luca Blight]

I just don't see how she can be Town here. It's more likely she's a Mafia Doctor, which would even out my role.

[Luca Blight]

Voting yourself isn’t going to change my mind, especially when it was done to copy Nor and when you pretended to hammer yourself. You’re being deceptive and it’s only making me SR you more.

I’ll look through some past games and see if I can make any sense of this claim.

I've only got one other game (ongoing) on this Alt.

I meant past Large Normals.

[Luca Blight]

Can you explain more about your thought-process N2? Was it not obvious that Chemist, essentially a one-shot cop at that point, would be killed?

Why did you think scum would kill Norwegian over someone who is conftown, had just nailed one scum and would have either nailed another or cleared someone else as Town?

[Luca Blight]

Dunn, you don't want Dolly lynched today so why are you voting her?

[Luca Blight]

Let's get something agreed then. I will accept leaving Dolly alive for now as long as she is lynched Tomorrow.

Who do you want to lynch instead?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Menalque

[Luca Blight]

And I’m disappointed in your play today. I think Dolly is the more likely to flip scum, but as we’ve covered it makes sense leaving her alive until tomorrow.

[Luca Blight]

Why do you TR Pisskop?

[Luca Blight]

You’re making out like scum would never aggressively tunnel or something.

Based on your play yesterday you’d be a light Town lean. Based on your slot in general you’re a scum-lean. I’m willing to give you another chance, I just hope you’ll pick it up tomorrow if you’re Town.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Wake88

I’m sticking with this now.

[Luca Blight]

Claiming JK is a pretty good reason, although as I said he played it really badly.

I think you were possibly confbiasing. Your case contained some fair points, but not to the level of your conviction. You were tunneling because you barely paused to sort anyone else.

[Luca Blight]

I’m V/LA for the foreseeable future, but today ought to be simple enough. Lynch Dolly.

Will try and post more later.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Dolly

[Luca Blight]

wow, my N2 action did work! I'll accept all apologies.

You are literally the reason Town lost this game, I hope you realise that.