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[Dolly Parton]

Flavor claims an invest role D1:
People: Unvote
Luv claims an invest role D2:
People: Unvote and go back to FL
?????????????????????????????????????

actually wasnt it mason and then VT day 1, then day 2 was the investigative claim that he backtracked to a "gambit" with his role currently being in limbo?

He claimed at the start of D2 before any wagon was on him iirc.

[Dolly Parton]

tbh I'm not going to give a shit about whether you think i'm disruptive while you're playing this claim game

Then you do what you gotta do. I'm done talking about the JK thing with you. Because you know damn well what it was and wasn't. You are just being provocative and I don't feel like going any deeper.

[Dolly Parton]

Dolly screwed up.

No risk, no fun.

[Dolly Parton]

Fun is for later, not to CC a guy who could be a PR and getting him lynched.

How do you type the tom

A

to, tomato saying?

[Dolly Parton]

To-may-to to-mah-to.

Let's call the whole thing off

[Dolly Parton]

Well do you actually still scumread LUV after the claim then, atleast? Did you get what you wanted?

I said that I had the feeling that scum!LUV to self hammer in this situation so I am inclined to believe the claim. Even if I think he should have full claimed.

[Dolly Parton]

Well do you actually still scumread LUV after the claim then, atleast? Did you get what you wanted?

A by-product of the JK thing is Frank's reaction to it. It doesn't feel very towny... In fact it seems more like scum trying to act like scolding town.

VOTE: Frank

[Dolly Parton]

Flavor claims an invest role D1:
People: Unvote
Luv claims an invest role D2:
People: Unvote and go back to FL
?????????????????????????????????????

IIRC LUV has ONLY claimed an investigative role. Flavor claims whenever the wind changes direction. Pretty big difference.

Dont forget about Wake

[Dolly Parton]

Well do you actually still scumread LUV after the claim then, atleast? Did you get what you wanted?

A by-product of the JK thing is Frank's reaction to it. It doesn't feel very towny... In fact it seems more like scum trying to act like scolding town.

VOTE: Frank

What do you think of 1157 and 1158? That doesn't look like scum to me.

What would scum write differently there?

[Dolly Parton]

Well do you actually still scumread LUV after the claim then, atleast? Did you get what you wanted?

A by-product of the JK thing is Frank's reaction to it. It doesn't feel very towny... In fact it seems more like scum trying to act like scolding town.

VOTE: Frank

holy shit if you are town please stop playing maafia

OMGUS is still allowed amirite?

[Dolly Parton]

I like how I posted reasoning for why lynching FL or rabid leads to good associations and dolly totally ignores that, tries to say I am being disruptive while acting like she isn't claiming JK, and thinks her vote is justified.

totally fucking normal move. If you weren't so bad at this game I would vote you but I honestly completely expect you to just be bad town

One man's bad town is another man's obvtown.

And besides don't you see how you totally re invent how the entire thing went down.

First you say I put another JK in danger by saying things like that, then you say that I claimed JK myself. I get how my post could be read both ways but you are using both as an argument which doesn't jive with you original argument that I endangered any possible JK.

You say I'm bad at this game but only Town!you would know if I am wrong about your slot.

It doesn't make me a bad player because I felt like LUV's claim should be more flushed out.

[Dolly Parton]

Why not try to help me be "Good town"?

[Dolly Parton]

Hint

Calling me bad town will just make me double down.

[Dolly Parton]

Hint

Calling me bad town will just make me double down.

That's exactly what you did to me.

I called you bad town?

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Elsa

[Dolly Parton]

Like I've laready said, your response in those posts was a prediction of mine coming to fruition. I got excited didn't mean to insult you. I thought we clarified that.

[Dolly Parton]

Damn, now I'm getting suspicious of you again. You could be good scum. Moving you to hard null.

At this point I'll take being called good scum over being called bad town.

[Dolly Parton]

Damn, now I'm getting suspicious of you again. You could be good scum. Moving you to hard null.

At this point I'll take being called good scum over being called bad town.

But that means your scum then.

The power of the dark side.

[Dolly Parton]

2. softing jk or even outright claiming any role =/= me believing that you are that role. I never once alluded to or implied that you were actually the jailkeeper. I said you claimed it, or at least made a post so vague that you displayed an illusion of claiming it. In which case, yes, that could be harmful to the game if we had a real jk due to the way that they handle the situation. They wouldn't even have to outright CC you. Your response that somehow saying that was supposed to encourage a potential JK to come out and say "WOAH THATS CRAZY I ACTUALLY DID JAIL DUNNSTRAL LAST NIGHT" and that if such a thing happened it wouldn't be fleshed out naturally, is incredibly pompous and logically has zero merit.

You see, it was

SO PREPOSTEROUS

and the chances of me being successful with that gambit are SO LOW and OBVIOUSLY EXAGGERATED. Elsa unvoted from L-1 and LUV and I were RTing so I didn't feel it was a dangerous.

[Dolly Parton]

Why did you bother attempting something that you now claim was so preposterous and obviously exaggerated?

It just what I do I guess.

[Dolly Parton]

Dolly what's your read on Flavor?

I want to say town but I'm not sold on town!FL yet.

[Dolly Parton]

Because that's just our luck this game, with the PRs being the worst people to get em.

Maybe that's a reason for scum to keep them around.

[Dolly Parton]

Creature, could we have a current Vote Count?

Please. It doesn't have to be a big fancy one if that takes up too much time.

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Happy?

[Dolly Parton]

If you did all that research and I am your lock scum then I'm sorry you wasted your time and effort. FL, tell me where to vote and I'll vote there.

[Dolly Parton]

Besides voting myself

[Dolly Parton]

Also, your Pool are off because TECHNICALLY frank was on the JV wagon it just wasn't shown in the WRONG VC from EOD1.

Also, Elsa was on the JV wagon and Gamma should be listed as OFF.

Just so your wagonomics are based on reality instead of the false VC.

[Dolly Parton]

Although if there's no VC in the next 10 hours or so I'm gone, so I'm not highly invested. Modding has gone to shit on this site.

I just looked up the latest VC and saw that the deadline is in 1 day, 1 hour, 42 minutes

So we really need to consolidate now.

[Dolly Parton]

I believe FL is at L-3

Maria and I am at L-4

Those are the top 3 wagons.

[Dolly Parton]

Wait that's not correct


FL: L-3
Maria: L-3
Dolly: L-5

[Dolly Parton]

My only hesitation with voting FL is that I’ve seen scum still go on to win time after time again after his lynch. I rather not risk him being the first scum lynch.

If he does flip scum just don't pay any attention to his posts and don't try looking for associations. A no-info scum lynch is always better than a mislynch.

[Dolly Parton]

1 Dolly Parton:

Zote the Mighty

2 Dunnstral:
3 Elsa Jay:

Espressojet, Rabid Schnauzer

4 Espressojet:
5 Flavor Leaf:

Frank, MariaR, Dolly Parton

6 Frank:
7 Gamma Emerald:
8 Lil Uzi Vert :
9 MariaR:

Lil Uzi Vert, Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain

10 Nero Cain:
11 Rabid Schnauzer:

Dunnstral, Flavor Leaf, Elsa Jay

12 Wake89:
13 Zote the Mighty:

[Dolly Parton]

13 hours left

[Dolly Parton]

Takes 7 to lynch

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: MariaR

FL should be the lynch (more so for the chaotic last minutes vote switches) but I can switch to Maria since I feel it's the towniest wagon of all.

[Dolly Parton]

Which wagon has had the most resistance so far?

That in itself to me is a big tell.

I would say say FL and Maria about the same. D1 FL was all like "did someone say L-1" lol hammer and he was afraid to touch the maria wagon. Then FL switches to Elsa and then both FL and Elsa go to Rabid.

I think FL/Maria are both scum. And if I want to get really funky I would say FL, Elsa and Rabid are scum and that FL and Elsa are bussing the "soon to rep out if no VCs come" Rabid.

Even though it against the rules to even threaten to rep out, just sayin'.

[Dolly Parton]

[quote="In post 1426, Elsa Jay"
Also, in hindsight I guess making the Watcher useless n1 was a shitty option but.... Well he didn't even confirm being RBed because he didn't even use his action. Thats what got me even madder.[/quote]

ngl, this feels like a kind of walk-backy, covering all the bases kinda thing.

[Dolly Parton]

Maria is L-2

[Dolly Parton]

1 Dolly Parton: Zote the Mighty
2 Dunnstral:
3 Elsa Jay: Rabid Schnauzer
4 Espressojet:
5 Flavor Leaf: Frank, MariaR
6 Frank:
7 Gamma Emerald:
8 Lil Uzi Vert :
9 MariaR: Lil Uzi Vert, Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, Espressojet
10 Nero Cain:
11 Rabid Schnauzer: Dunnstral, Flavor Leaf, Elsa Jay
12 Wake89:
13 Zote the Mighty:

[Dolly Parton]

My wagon and Maria have been going literally tooth and nail all day.

And there was

MUCH resistance

to finish either of you off.

[Dolly Parton]

Gimme a break

If you are going by LACK of votes then you would have to say something like Nero's wagon has had the most resistance.

[Dolly Parton]

Maria’s at L-2?

We can just go there. Need 1 more person, I guess

Eh, I'll pass.

If she's Town I'm not interested in getting blamed for the hammer.

Please don't forget your action tonight.

[Dolly Parton]

Maria’s at L-2?

We can just go there. Need 1 more person, I guess

Eh, I'll pass.

If she's Town I'm not interested in getting blamed for the hammer.

Please don't forget your action tonight.

Oh, I won't.

You should probably go ahead and submit it unless night actions can't be sent until it's officially night. I don't know how modding works in that regard.

[Dolly Parton]

Dear Mod,

Can night actions be sent in before the day phase has ended?

Thanks.

[Dolly Parton]

Maria’s at L-2?

We can just go there. Need 1 more person, I guess

Eh, I'll pass.

If she's Town I'm not interested in getting blamed for the hammer.

Please don't forget your action tonight.

Oh, I won't.

You should probably go ahead and submit it unless night actions can't be sent until it's officially night. I don't know how modding works in that regard.

I'd rather wait until Night 2 starts.

As long as you don't let it slip your mind

[Dolly Parton]

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-06 16:00:00)

[Dolly Parton]

I have nothing to tell about any night actions.

[Dolly Parton]

I have nothing to tell about any night actions.

Did you claim a PR or no?

I didn't claim anything.

[Dolly Parton]

I have nothing to tell about any night actions.

Did you claim a PR or no?

I didn't claim anything.

Ah. OK.

Thoughts on Dunnstral, Gamma, and Zote?

Had you asked me yesterday I would have probably TR all 3. The FL kill has me questioning everything right now. I still need a little more processing time and then I'll see if I can find any VCA stuff.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm thinking we take FL's advice and go either Elsa or Rabid.

I know I was also on FL's FOS scum team but that is obviously wrong. However, I don't think he gets all 3 of us wrong.

Nero is potentially deep wolfing here.

VOTE: Rabid

[Dolly Parton]

It

really

wouldn't surprise me if there was more than 1 Scum on the JV mislynch.

I kind of agree, the only problem here is that we don't have a legit VC without the errors from that lynch. We do have a large FL and Maria wagon to use also. I'll get to VCAing later today.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm thinking we take FL's advice and go either Elsa or Rabid.

I know I was also on FL's FOS scum team but that is obviously wrong. However, I don't think he gets all 3 of us wrong.

Nero is potentially deep wolfing here.

VOTE: Rabid

Wanna vote Gamma, Zote, or Nero with me instead?

I have nothing against lynching those slots eventually. Rabid just sticks out to me rn more because of FL's reads and I think that's the 1st slot I would like to sort today barring no krass night action info to come.

I don't have the time to do a proper re-read in one sitting atm but I'll get my VCA and stuff later on.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm thinking we take FL's advice and go either Elsa or Rabid.

I know I was also on FL's FOS scum team but that is obviously wrong. However, I don't think he gets all 3 of us wrong.

Nero is potentially deep wolfing here.

VOTE: Rabid

Wanna vote Gamma, Zote, or Nero with me instead?

I have nothing against lynching those slots eventually. Rabid just sticks out to me rn more because of FL's reads and I think that's the 1st slot I would like to sort today barring no krass night action info to come.

I don't have the time to do a proper re-read in one sitting atm but I'll get my VCA and stuff later on.

...just not today?

Not sure how to read this, considering..

I have short bursts of time for quick RT posts for now. I'll get to that VCA stuff today as in Jan 9th (like in a few hours probably).

[Dolly Parton]

Flavor Leaf:

Frank, Rabid Schnauzer, MariaR, Dolly Parton, Elsa Jay

MariaR:

Lil Uzi Vert, Gamma Emerald, Nero Cain, Dolly Parton, Espressojet, Rabid Schnauzer, Elsa Jay

On Both Wagons:

Rabid, Dolly, Elsa

On Neither Wagon:

Dunn, Wake, Zote

Add in the JV Wagon

Not on any of the 3 wagons:

Dunn, Wake

VOTE: Dunn

Elsa is now 2nd on my FOS list.

[Dolly Parton]

You said you agreed that there were "multiple scum on the JV wagon"- why are you voting me?

That doesn't mean that ALL SCUM were on that wagon. Also, that was before I compared the 3 wagons.

[Dolly Parton]

I know what a JK does. Explain how I misinterpreted.

[Dolly Parton]

Both Dunn and I weren't on any of those 3 wagons, and despite me knowing I'm Town you wouldn't know I am, correct?

I have said that I'll believe your claim until/if it is somehow proven to be a false claim.

[Dolly Parton]

Furthermore Dolly, wouldn't you be more inclined to vote those players who were on both mislynch wagons?

I was on those wagons and I am town and just going by pure numbers it's then either Rabid or Elsa. I've made a 180 degree turn on my rabid read today because I feel his posts are towny today.

Also I said Elsa is my number 2 FOS.

[Dolly Parton]

I know what a JK does. Explain how I misinterpreted.

well if we had a JK you just risked outing them over a very silly/scummy comment that had maybe a 1% chance of working in town's favor

Well, I guess if the alleged JK really did JK Dunn last night and in turn negating LUV's claim, then we would have caught scum!LUV red handed.

Fool! If JK targeted Dunn then it would've stopped Dunn's action from going through, not LUV's.

And if there was a roleblocker or JK that targeted LUV they probably would've outed themselves naturally.

No, if LUV was targeted by a JK then LUV would not have gotten a result from N1 and since he said he had a result that would have been a lie had he been JKd.

[Dolly Parton]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

[Dolly Parton]

I’m an investigative type of role.

Not going to claim what it actually is so hammer away.

Then where is your N1 info if you are expecting a hammer?

I targeted Dunn.

He’s town.

[Dolly Parton]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

You're wrong.

Doesn't a JK essentially make the target ascetic and immune to kills for the night?

[Dolly Parton]

You're confused because Elsa claimed a variant of jailkeeper which does work the way you're describing, but you've been confused from before she claimed it in the main thread.

My JK gambit thingy has nothing to do with Elsa's.

[Dolly Parton]

You're confused because Elsa claimed a variant of jailkeeper which does work the way you're describing, but you've been confused from before she claimed it in the main thread.

So you think I'm scum with Elsa?

[Dolly Parton]

I mean, LUV would not got a result on Dunn had Dunn been JKd.

You're wrong.

Doesn't a JK essentially make the target ascetic and immune to kills for the night?

Nope, what you're describing is a rolestopper. But the variant version of jailkeeper, the alien, does do that. And both you and frank are misunderstanding a very common and well understood role, and it just so happens to be that you've misunderstood it in a way that is close to what is now actually being claimed, after the fact, but what people couldn't have reasonably anticipated

Then someone is playing on my "misunderstanding". This is something that could very well come right out of scum!Elsa's playbook imo.

[Dolly Parton]

doctor, jailkeeper target, jailkeeper roleblock, roleblocker

4 potential stoppings of the mafia nk, really?

I forgot about Gamma. There is most likely a strongman then. Maybe also an even-night vig (if Luca's claim is legit) and was unsuccessful on N2.

You're lying, otherwise this quote from your previous game doesn't make any sense, because you wouldn't know what I was talking about...

In my limited setup spec knowledge I almost always assume at first that a strongman is their to counter a JK. And since that game had SOOO MANY protective roles a SM theory wasn't that absurd imo.

[Dolly Parton]

This feels very setupy.

Dunn, Elsa, and LUV scum team?

[Dolly Parton]

Your version of jailkeeper wouldn't protect against multiple kills, and I specifically said jailkeeper roleblock and listed them out like that - you talking about a strongman was in reference to just the roleblocker (gamma's role, NOT the JK)

I'm not going down this rabbit hole from a finished game (that I made a crucial mistake in) with you.

[Dolly Parton]

But if you want to reference that game, why not reference how good my VCA stuff was even if no one listened to it then.

[Dolly Parton]

I know what a jailkeeper does, I just though it basically made the target ascetic as well as protecting from NKs and roleblocking.

[Dolly Parton]

Gun to head, which two do you think it could be?

Dunn 1st then Elsa. But I think a dunn red flip makes elsa go red as well.

[Dolly Parton]

I know what a jailkeeper does, I just though it basically made the target ascetic as well as protecting from NKs and roleblocking.

Yeah. And that's the role Elsa is claiming, but there's no reason for you to have thought that this game. And I'm saying maybe she talked about her fake claim ahead of time in the mafia pt. That's why it's suspicious.

So basically you are saying that me and elsa are scum together?

[Dolly Parton]

Gun to head, which two do you think it could be?

Dunn 1st then Elsa. But I think a dunn red flip makes elsa go red as well.

Off the wagons?

(Just pointing out I was asking Rabid.)

Oh nvm then. I didn't pay attention that Rabid's quote was what you were referring too.

[Dolly Parton]

Do you think Dunn is lying here after all the shit he has given me about my stupid little JK thing on D2? He got caught. That simple.

[Dolly Parton]

Note though that they could both be lying scum.

This.

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Zote

[Dolly Parton]

has he voted for anyone other than me the entire game?

[Dolly Parton]

FL was hot on Zote but he also linked me up with Zote.

Others FL noted with Zote are Gamm, LUV and Frank iirc .

[Dolly Parton]

Can we lynch the guilty now?

[Dolly Parton]

wtf is a Rick fucking Dalton?

[Dolly Parton]

Take your guesses who I jailed, because I probably jailed scum. But I'm not revealing it until later after we confirm Dunn, Wake, and LUV's actions.

You sound like Wake.

[Dolly Parton]

Unlike him I won't give up after a day IRL though.

Your opinion on who's scum, my Doll?

Rabid or Gamma?

[Dolly Parton]

Maybe Rabid, Frank or EJet on that Zote wagon looking good.

Also, Dunn missed another lynch wagon.

[Dolly Parton]

As the days come and go Nero is sure looking more and more red. Oh lordy, he's prolly going to lol us to lylo as scum.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm assuming your all claiming VT or otherwise.

Affirmative.

[Dolly Parton]

Go get 'em Elsa!

I will be back in about 6-9 hours!

[Dolly Parton]

Well you either blocked the person performing the kill, blocked the kill being performed on espresso, or mafia didn't kill

If they were targetting Espresso with the kill... how were they planning on winning?

Just to throw another wrench in the gears. Is a traitor kill here a possibility?

[Dolly Parton]

Not sure what "traitor kill" entails

Don't over think it or get hung up on semantics again. Please.

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: nero

I'm not for sure if a UB would backup a town neighbor but still I don't believe the claim.

[Dolly Parton]

I'm not for sure if a UB would backup a town neighbor

As someone noted ( and I verified myself), per the wiki normal guidelines, yes, a town UB would have taken Maria's place in the hood.

Ok. Makes more sense. Even if it weren't the case I would expect nero to at least have questioned the mod. Then he would have had a definite answer for us instead of his "i guess it didn't work" type of answer.

[Dolly Parton]

Setup is confirmed to be Town vs Mafia. Thank god

I don't think town vs. mafia means a traitor can't be in this setup.

Then he posts this which shows that he is "aware" of game specifics. It just doesn't add up.

[Dolly Parton]

are you willing to vote Dolly then?

I'm not going to be your counter wagon.

[Dolly Parton]

The only problem with that plan is that wake surely eats the NK and if nero really is town UB we lose one of our strongest powers

should we have a different plan in mind if nero flips town?

He can't be UB.

[Dolly Parton]

are you willing to vote Dolly then?

I'm not going to be your counter wagon.

of course, the reason that you are voting me now is that I "fucked up my claim" but why did you keep calling me scum before without engaging me?

Iirc I said something to the effect that you have deep wolf potential.

[Dolly Parton]

watcher enabler

I would've believed this way more then a universal backup, the fuck?

Now I'm worried this is a back track since his UB claim didn't work.

[Dolly Parton]

I was never a UB. I just wanted to see who jumped and who didn't so I could try to solve.

UNVOTE:

So what are your preliminary results?

[Dolly Parton]

i don't get any results

I mean the results from your fake claim. What did you get out of it irt sorting.

[Dolly Parton]

I mean I'd rather lynch pisskop but no one wants to do that either so I'll just fuck off and hammer whatever you guys put to L-1 I guess

I'm not against it.

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: pisskop

[Dolly Parton]

Getting cold feet Frank?

[Dolly Parton]

Maybe a thank you would suffice.

[Dolly Parton]

I've already said that I liked Dolly and Franks reaction the least.

I can get on board a piss wagon as his game entrance was not very stellar.

can you explain what you didn't like about it?

because the only thing you said about me was that I was scum for not wanting you lynched, which is ridiculous fmpov

Also, apparently my reaction was a the same as someone else according to rabid.

[Dolly Parton]

Getting cold feet Frank?

Maybe a thank you would suffice.

?

At first I was waiting on you to vote pisskop as well. But I check and saw you were already voting him. Then I thought you should thank me for supporting you.

[Dolly Parton]

Also, apparently my reaction was a the same as someone else according to rabid.

ok? I don't know what this is.

This was my reaction and rabid said it had already been discussed.

VOTE: nero

I'm not for sure if a UB would backup a town neighbor but still I don't believe the claim.

I'm not for sure if a UB would backup a town neighbor

As someone noted ( and I verified myself), per the wiki normal guidelines, yes, a town UB would have taken Maria's place in the hood.

[Dolly Parton]

FN, self clearing
watcher (gated by enabler?), can get guilties, can clear if only one scum left
neapolitan (gated by novice?), can clear, albeit somewhat weak
alien, can't

truly

clear or guilty, but can protect and prevent
neighbor (x2?), ...

accounting for gating does this seem balanced? what if there was a traitor conversion last night?

obv there (was) at least 1 goon. Seems kinda stretchy to assume that's all town but if nero is telling the truth I guess I could see it.

assuming 3 scum, there's 11 town a nea could target. assuming all the PR listed above is town, and that's all the PR we have (2 town neighbors assumed) there's only 4 VTs.

1 flipped, LUV claimed jet came back VT,

me, dolly, piss are the only unclaimed AFAIK

there's only room for 2 VT there with prior assumptions. However, if 2nd neighbor is scum, that means 5 VT fits here.

however a scum neighbor means that's one of their PR's with a confirmed goon flip already.

...

That's all I got, I'm not smart enough for this. Someone make this make sense

I already claimed VT.

[Dolly Parton]

Unofficial VC, I think it's right but just use it as a reference until something official comes out.

Dolly Parton:
Dunnstral:
Elsa Jay:
Espressojet:
Frank:

Pisskop:

Frank, Espressojet, Dolly Parton, Nero Cain (L-2)

Lil Uzi Vert:

Nero Cain:

Rabid Schnauzer, LUV, pisskop

Rabid Schnauzer:
Wake88:

6 to Lynch

[Dolly Parton]

Frank, why aren't you mad at Elsa for hammering without the claim.

Personally, the claim wouldn't change anything for me at this point, just seems weird as you have constantly not stood down so easily like this the entire game.

[Dolly Parton]

Hello

[Dolly Parton]

VOTE: Nero

[Dolly Parton]

Good job Town.