lange nonal 227 OHHH!!!! OHHH!!!!! ITS OVER OHHHHHH!!!! OHHH

[Aloratom]

hey

VOTE: hoctac

[Aloratom]

VOTE: Alore howdy we meet again laughs how are you today

My barometer.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: word

because why not

[Aloratom]

VOTE: word

because why not

dont like this vote at all.

In that case, since the parsnip doesn't like it.

UNVOTE:

[Aloratom]

But really.

VOTE: word

[Aloratom]

But really.

VOTE: word

What is your reason for scum reading word?

Hi bob!

Spoiler:

It's not so much a scum read as a vote for all that is good in the world.

[Aloratom]

I feel like manatee's explanation doesn't make sense which is why my vote is still o him

I dont see the scum intention behind my post either way?

Because you're wearing shades. In the damn water.

[Aloratom]

madonna's at L-2?

[Aloratom]

brutal

[Aloratom]

but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

[Aloratom]

but madonna never says word is scummy, never points to a post of word's or gives a reason why he thinks word is scummy, he just hops on with the reason that "noone is in dire straits". so i think you are misrepresenting madonna's position as being on a "good wagon on a scummy individual", because madonna never makes the case that it's a good wagon. i agree with word that madonna's was easily the weakest vote on his wagon.

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

you're just upset that there isnt a wagon on you yet arent you

It's not like I feel left out or anything.

I don't know that I understand his subsequent reasoning there, but maybe it's coming from a Town perspective?

[Aloratom]

If word said that madonna's vote is easily the weakest vote on his wagon, that's scummy in itself because my vote was as weak if not weaker. As such, I'm okay with leaving it on word.

Their case is simply bad, ur case was nonexistant :^)
U came and voted for the votes sake, while they came and voted in an alarmist way. Votes by emselves r not particularly bad D1, and being inactive early on may be bad, but not as scummy as adding wood to the fire.
(actively inactive while we r at it; no one is 24 hr next to the pc, but when they r and they say nothing, its

bad

indee.)
On the other hand, the iso on Madonna is bad; 217, 337 and 341 in particular were kind of off with each other on the manatee thing, specifically.

I mean, what is this saying? If votes aren't the wood, what is? I don't get it.

And who is trecko?

[Aloratom]

woah word wrote stuff about a humble treecko. Alber read is he feels off in every way compared to what i've seen of his town game (sample size of 2)

manatee reads as kind of genuine explaining stuff? so i think if he is scum he feels he's been caught for wrong reasons and the contradiction is probably NAI

I don't know about Albert's meta, but backing off the manatee read for the reason stated is Townie.

[Aloratom]

manatee reads as kind of genuine explaining stuff? so i think if he is scum he feels he's been caught for wrong reasons and the contradiction is probably NAI

This feels off.

It reads pretty clear to me. Are you talking tone?

[Aloratom]

Would anyone be interested in joining either a Bob or Hoctac wagon?

I'd do bob. I've never seen him go into 3d degree mode this early.

[Aloratom]

Hoctac I'm willing to give more room bc I think I've seen this gimmick before.

[Aloratom]

Would anyone be interested in joining either a Bob or Hoctac wagon?

I'd do bob. I've never seen him go into 3d degree mode this early.

3rd degree mode?

Rapid-fire interrogation. Crams a half dozen questions into post after post after post.

[Aloratom]

It usually happens later in the game against a specific scum target. I've never seen his scum game.

[Aloratom]

I should say later in the phase to be more accurate probably.

[Aloratom]

I could see it being a defense mechanism.

[Aloratom]

I said I'd join bob, but I'm still unsure about word.

VOTE: bob

[Aloratom]

It's day 1. We're going to have info with either. Plus night actions to supplement tomorrow's decision. It looks like there are decent cases for both. I think Bob is acting weird as hell, and I think that's the stronger case rn.

[Aloratom]

Why are so many mafia players stoners? Holy shit dude.

[Aloratom]

.

or maybe i wasn't. i was planning on it tho.

I want to save this.

[Aloratom]

didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

I'm catching up and stopped here, but I think the form of the result should take (this is from one of my past games):


"you saw someone perform a role investigation action on bef"

So I believe nahdia's result should have said "you saw someone perform a killing action on hoctac."

I suppose her claim says that, but in a different way. I find it odd though that she emphasizes that hoctac was killed. Duh. We know that. Rather than that she saw that he was killed or saw that someone performed a killing action even if she doesn't know who that is.

[Aloratom]

@votato What's your beef with popo?

[Aloratom]

In a large Normal, there can be a second mafia/werewolf group or a serial killer.

I can't find confirmation of this. Is it general knowledge?

[Aloratom]

If we want to look outside the thunderdome, I like to pressure Aloratom and NDMath. I feel like they both have sorta coasted this game.

Obv.

[Aloratom]

I still don't like Nahdia's claim. I don't think it's credible. If I knew the vote count that's where my vote would go.

As I was catching up I was thinking that word still seemed scummy but his last few posts have been better than Day 1 maybe. I'm still slightly scumleaning there.

Norwegian Boy seems more prolific than I recall from our only other encounter. I've generally agreed with what he's had to say, but he's been more serious, more driven this game, which gives me pause. Still a Town lean.

Popo seems Town. I've been nodding my head while reading his posts. I don't know what the specific criticisms of him are other than "his reads are bad."

ABR seems Town? Frustrated Town given his tone. Just a lean.

Madonna, too, seems Town. I can't remember why rn.

More later.

Would vote Nahdia.

[Aloratom]

Norwegian Boy seems more prolific than I recall from our only other encounter. I've generally agreed with what he's had to say, but he's been more serious, more driven this game, which gives me pause. Still a Town lean.

What does prolific mean in this instance?
Also you're talking about the newbie right? I remember, it's the game where i catched both scum D1 and we speedrun victory. Good times. I thought i was rather driven in that game too? So what difference are you seeing here?

More prolific as in you seem to be outposting everyone by at least 2 to 1. You were playful in that game. I'm not seeing that here.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: Nahdia L-1

If this flips green, I want Popo tomorrow.

[Aloratom]

His 871 Ive found kind of pointless, buts that not exactly indicative (unless Nahdia flips green, but even then, its still too few). I cant rly develop this further.

Pointless?

[Aloratom]

VOTE: Nahdia L-1

If this flips green, I want Popo tomorrow.

Actually, probably Midway tomorrow. Popo is still too strong a TR even though he's essentially been tunneling Nahdia since RVS.

[Aloratom]

You thinking 2 scum teams of 3? Or 1 scum team of 4?

I think 2 scum teams. Why else explicitly state "there are only town and mafia?"

This is a schadd_ game folks. Mod wifom.

[Aloratom]

Imagine hammering and it flips green. That will be super fun.

yeah i didnt like yesterday's wagon, and i dont think this is much better. plus theres still time left, dunno why we are getting so stuck on the obvious policyish lynch when we could be doing legit scumhunting. this should be our backup lynch for deadline if anything

UNVOTE:

No skin off my nose. We need info though.

[Aloratom]

Popo is still too strong a TR even though he's essentially been tunneling Nahdia since RVS.

this is not true at all

Scum reading may be more accurate?

[Aloratom]

I get more of a scum vibe with all your asking stuff of me so it's hard for me to take much of what you say seriously.
IE: I'm bias of your comments. I'm not a fan of anyone who I need to push and then says well I'm following farside. I'm am the wrong player to follow because I always think scum are trying to get on a players good side.

You dismiss my arguements out of hand by not taking them seriously, got it. Interacting with you using questions is scum, got it. You see others doing the same acts with their own justification, you call it following you, got it. That is not a healthy town view, and I dislike it. In case I need to clearly say this: my townread of you is definitely decaying.

I did not vote for bob3141 for your reasons, farside22, and I did not vote NDMath for you reasons, and I am voting for Nahdia because, cycling all the way back around, I do not have word321 support. This is not a case of confidence, this is not for blind sheeping. I have a vote and I need to make it count. When the two big wagons start stalling and people start piling on lurkers, I need to figure out what I want. Staying on word321 was gaining me nothing, and my vote is more helpful on an active wagon. Out of the null reads is a guy out for my blood and I dislike his reads: these are perfectly acceptable reasons to push.

I still do not see a real case coming from you, farside22. I will say you vote confidently when lacking one.

Do you think farside is Town or maf?

[Aloratom]

If nahdia is town and ends up a mislynch idk where we go from there.

What about midway? As the counter, that's the logical choice, right?

[Aloratom]

@word this is my first large normal. I did however play a 12p mini where I had assumed 3 scum but there were only two.
I kind of just assumed no multiball, since it was explicitly stated there was no sk.

If nahdia is town and ends up a mislynch idk where we go from there.

What about midway? As the counter, that's the logical choice, right?

Midway's quite associatable with nahdia on a red flip though?

Those on the Nahdia wagon shouldn't have an issue with it then.

And they were voting each other. What could that mean?

[Aloratom]

this nahdia business is low information and low probability for a day 2 PL.

I don't know how you can say either of those things. Mid-high info and mid-probability at the bottom end. Too early to lynch? I can get on board with that maybe.

[Aloratom]

if we dont lynch nahdia 2day im gonna take the rest of the game off and just chill

Chill, yes. Flake, no.

[Aloratom]

Those scum reading NDMath, is it just a lack of content?

[Aloratom]

we shouldnt lynch anyone other than nahdia today. regardless of what anyone makes of the claim, or however hard you scumread someone else, she should be lynched for hammering, no questions asked. letting nahdia continue into day 3 is such a ridiculous idea i cant believe its even being considered. if we end up taking this too far and end up in lylo with nahdia and it turns out by some crazy chance she is actually town then we're fucked.

idc how you justify it , if youre a towny suggesting we dont lynch nahdia today then youre inting hard

I did think this was a terrible post.

Agree with gobble here. Not because I don't think Nahdia should be in today's lynch pool but bc of the reason stanley gave and the tone of sanley's post. Also don't agree with the bolded.

[Aloratom]

Mmm i laid down thought about the vote count.

VOTE: unvote[/unvote]

Im going to review before i vote again.

6-minute power nap. Jealous.

[Aloratom]

More prolific as in you seem to be outposting everyone by at least 2 to 1. You were playful in that game. I'm not seeing that here.

Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about?
Are you just pulling random shit from a single newbie game we had to suspect me?

That's quite a response.

[Aloratom]

Not all of it. He did leave the nahdia wagon without a doubt or question about what she claimed. I found that to be extremely odd. His reason's for his scum reads is non-existant and he doesn't read to be really figuring players out. Just reads to throw shit to see where it sticks.

Thank you. That helps.

[Aloratom]

His 871 Ive found kind of pointless, buts that not exactly indicative (unless Nahdia flips green, but even then, its still too few). I cant rly develop this further.

Pointless?

VOTE: word

[Aloratom]

And good pic, mod.

[Aloratom]

Why Stanley?

[Aloratom]

So today is ABR v Stanley.

I still don't get why you were dead set against the Nahdia lynch.

[Aloratom]

Epwop. Nm

[Aloratom]

Errrr
I don't have a response to that.
VOTE: Albert
L-2

And i don’t like your response to that.
WHY did you think Albert was obvtown?

Like to see the answer to this.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: stanley

Nice.

[Aloratom]

UNVOTE:

oops

[Aloratom]

how would i know that??? you just made that up because you know it makes no sense for me to be able to drop the case on the exact right player

It all makes sense. Nahdia claims she visited the nightkill, that is HORRIBLE PLAY. Unless you KNEW FOR A FACT that you were tracked and couldn't get out of it. She didn't even try to PR hunt, she knew it was Norway.

Would a voyeur on Nahdia pick up a tracker?

[Aloratom]

Well i fucked up anyway.
Town odd night tracker. Went for Nahdia and was told they targeted Hoptac. That's why i was so suspicious of them at the start of D2.

Why target Nahdia?

[Aloratom]

Not everyone has checked in yet, and it's not like we don't have time to figure this out. There's no need to rush it.

[Aloratom]

I'm unsure myself and would like a minute to think. Besides, I've got to get some work done today.

[Aloratom]

It's a fair point about ABR pulling his vote from Stanley. I don't think I've seen that before.

VOTE: Albert

I think that's L-1.

popo
Norwegian
farside
votato
Stanley
word
NDMath
Madonna
Midway

[Aloratom]

UNVOTE:

Hash it out. No hurry.

[Aloratom]

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 3 ends june 11th at 21:05 central US time; in 12 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes

As the clock strikes twelve, I demand satisfaction.

STANLEY ARE YOU SCUM?

VOTE: stanley

[Aloratom]

Errrr
I don't have a response to that.
VOTE: Albert
L-2

And i don’t like your response to that.
WHY did you think Albert was obvtown?

Like to see the answer to this.

@ndmath -- you can answer this?

[Aloratom]

ok, I'm fine with lynching in {alor, ND, votato}
I don't think ABR is a busser, so that helps Madonna. I'll trust Norwee for now, and I'm decently confident in word being town.

Are you just throwing up every combination you can think of?

[Aloratom]

One of the curious remarks that makes Aloratom feel worse is his [p]1069[/p], that mentions 2 mafia parties, and that pings when also looking at votato, and why I have paired them together. The simpler answer is a vigilante, and I do not see why we would want a more complicated theory based on nothing.

It's pretty clearly a vig. That was me spitballing.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: midway

[Aloratom]

UNVOTE:

Sounds legit for now.

[Aloratom]

Midway, i'm telling you to claim first.

why does my claim affect your result...
I can think of a reason, but that would mean you are scum. I'll just leave it at that

What were you getting at here?

[Aloratom]

Fair enough. I think Norwegian was pretty close to conf Town yesterday though. I don't think there's any good reason to doubt him at this point. I thought it likely last night, though, that he would be the NK and we'd be lynching ABR today. At least that's how I read the twilight posts.

[Aloratom]

I still think he is what he says he is bc of the way the claim came out yesterday.

[Aloratom]

I really don't care. I'm VT.

[Aloratom]

Fair enough. I think Norwegian was pretty close to conf Town yesterday though. I don't think there's any good reason to doubt him at this point. I thought it likely last night, though, that he would be the NK and we'd be lynching ABR today. At least that's how I read the twilight posts.

Why would they not NK the PR? Instead, they end up with a VT.

[Aloratom]

I think mass claiming was maybe premature.

[Aloratom]

@norwee Do I have permission to lead a mass claim?

Why his permission?

[Aloratom]

ok so theres 0% chance that im a scum ascetic even-night alien that was originally a scum universal backup

I don't understand what led you to conclude anyone was considering this.

[Aloratom]

Okay. Missed that.

[Aloratom]

I'm up for whatever. I essentially have no control anyway.

[Aloratom]

votato UB Ascetic Even Night Alien
NDMath Vigilante
NorwegianboyEE Odd Night Tracker
Madonna VT
popopopopopopo VT
midwaybear VT
word321 VT
Aloratom VT

stan1ey Rolestopper
gobbledygook VT
Hoctac VT
farside22 VT
bob3141 Ascetic Even Night Alien
ManateeDude VT

Nahdia Multitasking voyeur
Albert B. Rampage Multitasking voyeur

[Aloratom]

Just getting my POE in so I don't get lost. {midway, popo, word}. More midway & popo. Have a funny feeling about Madonna, but I think votato is probably right in 1686.

[Aloratom]

the popo point is fair

today's lynch should be me or midway

[Aloratom]

the popo point is fair

today's lynch should be me or midway

...? Why would you accept your lynch if you know you are town?

I don't have to be alive for Town to win, right? This isn't lylo.

[Aloratom]

It might put us in a lylo position I guess.

[Aloratom]

How so?

[Aloratom]

If my death outs scum, that's a good thing.

[Aloratom]

If my death outs scum, that's a good thing.

How does your death out scum?

Is it going to lead to a solve and a win for Town? Yes. Now tell me how that's a crappy attitude.

[Aloratom]

If my death outs scum, that's a good thing.

How does your death out scum?

Is it going to lead to a solve and a win for Town? Yes. Now tell me how that's a crappy attitude.

What solve will it lead to?

If I knew that, I'd be arguing for the solve, wouldn't I? I wouldn't be waiting for you firecrackers to figure out which of us you're going to kill.

You still haven't answered my question. Or are you just going to keep answering with another question?

[Aloratom]

VOTE: midway

[Aloratom]

you can look at my posts beginning of day
I think those were pretty town motivated?

You have to ask?

[Aloratom]

You have my reads prior to the mass claim and you have seen my opinions on the path we have to take. Other than discussing what is the best use the power roles, I have little else to say because lynching the VTs is my plan. You know, the one that puts me at risk so that town may win, so you can comfortably sit there and lob acronyms at me while you stress that you do not want to work with town.

Here, let me lob a bomb your way, if you want analysis:

there are no confirmed town in this game

. Everything is a matter of trust. There is no proof for any of this. We treat the power claims as givens because we trust in both the players and in likelihoods. All of these claims could be argued against. The vigilante is an excuse for a second mafia, the tracker claim handily fell out when someone claimed to have misread rolestopper as roleblocker and it is odd because we know the alien was, and the rolestopper may have stopped the second night nightkill but someone realize they could take credit by claiming to be a universal backup. This is all strictly possible. These are all things we could consider.

But we do not, because paranoia destroys a game, because we learn to trust some players, some more than others, and some

over

others. We make a choice when we say NDMath's claim is valid and Nahdia's is not. We decide that our votes matter, that we can tell when someone votes sincerely or maliciously, that a mislynch can come from a good place, that a player's general performance says that one play does not make him scum. So because of all that, we individually decide and agree that our town, as a group, must be right when we claim we have confirmed town, and I choose to believe that NDMath, NorwegianboyEE, and you, votato, are confirmed town, even though I have explained why that is not a thing. So I have been making a lot of decisions to trust in this game, to analyze that which I have been presented, and there has been good and bad, and when I need to decide what is right or what I need to assume is true, do not come to me and accuse me of shitty scumtells when I do not bring shit to your door when you imagine you are above scrutiny and do not need to be pro-town. You cannot tell us who you abducted when you are dead, you horned ass.

What's the purpose of this post? To raise again the possibility of a second mafia? Why do that?

[Aloratom]

feel like ndmath is confirmed 100% no?

Yes, he is. Where are you?

[Aloratom]

You sold me
VOTE: Nahdia

Fine. Tired of fighting vs. ppl who don't want to listen.

VOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: midway

If Midway's scum, that means there was a decision made by the scum team to flat out bus Nahdia. I guess the timing works.

[Aloratom]

But I don't know why they would put two votes on her. So I don't know that that makes sense.

[Aloratom]

didn't realize it was l-1. i wouldn't hammer without a claim. sorry bob :\

voyeur. hoctac was killed by a killing action (lol)

I'm catching up and stopped here, but I think the form of the result should take (this is from one of my past games):


"you saw someone perform a role investigation action on bef"

So I believe nahdia's result should have said "you saw someone perform a killing action on hoctac."

I suppose her claim says that, but in a different way. I find it odd though that she emphasizes that hoctac was killed. Duh. We know that. Rather than that she saw that he was killed or saw that someone performed a killing action even if she doesn't know who that is.

Just FYI, there's no way I post this if I'm Nahdia's teammate.

[Aloratom]

It's not that hard to believe that Nahdia made the kill on Hoptac and ABR used Voyeur on Nahdia and discovered she was tracked that night.

True. We did that in 2121. Voyeured our scum actions every night.

[Aloratom]

I think Nahdia killed Hoctac and claimed what she claimed so she had plausible deniability to target Hoctac.
ABR also looks worse with a Hoctac death.

From page 2 of thread from mod

there are only town and mafia.

Well, damn.

This post could also technically be telling the truth about multiball. That said, Hoctac was a scum kill.

Reading through pox7’s iso, im not really seeing the scum that Nahdia sees.
It’s interesting to me that Nahdia is like “manatee is town for calling himself an omguser” but pox7 isn’t town for saying he wants to kill VIs or for his multiple pushes on different players.

I agree with pox7 that midway’s vote on Madonna is very weird considering earlier stances. I also think midway’s comments about Nahdia’s claim are weird.

ABR and Nahdia townreading one another for seemingly no reason gives me partner equity vibes between them.

VOTE: Nahdia

ABR, Nahdia, Midway is my call.

pox7 looks town.

Easy to see why Gobble was the kill. He was on to them.

[Aloratom]

Spoiler:

d3 final vote count

stan1ey (6):

votato,

Albert B. Rampage

, popopopopopopo, Aloratom, midwaybear, NorwegianboyEE

Albert B. Rampage (4):

stan1ey

, NDMath,

farside22

, Madonna

not voting (1):

word321

with 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Of the VTs, {midway, Madonna, word}

Madonna was lower on my list, but I've put them higher now because they've been pushing multi-ball all game. I pushed it one time, and Madonna came back a couple of days ago and criticized me for it -- I explained that I thought it was a vig and not multi-ball. But then Madonna with their last post went right back to making it an issue again as if it's a possibility. That seems WIFOMY to me.

[Aloratom]

lets say midway and alora are both town. that makes the scumteam word and madonna?

could in theory also be norwee with strange shenanigans to set up a deepwolf, but we have to dismiss the possibility for now. or NDMath with multiball, but again, dismiss it for now.

realistically, the solve will definitely be found among the VTs. and this game is probably simpler than I'm thinking.

I'd usually go with Occam, and I think we should here also, but this designer has skills. I wouldn't put anything past him.

[Aloratom]

So in other words, 80% agree that you're overthinking it.

[Aloratom]

I think pressuring the other VTs would be beneficial and help us deduce what's going on.

VOTE: Madonna

[Aloratom]

Word is fine. I find Madonna more intriguing though.

[Aloratom]

And really I don't think Madonna has been pressured at all this game.

[Aloratom]

The Day 1 wagon on Word at least had him on his heels for a bit, and he handled it okay.

[Aloratom]

Word is fine. I find Madonna more intriguing though.

why? you arent a midway alt are you?

What are you driving at here?

[Aloratom]

Or popo.

If Midway's Town, I don't see how all the PRs can be legit.

[Aloratom]

Word is fine. I find Madonna more intriguing though.

why? you arent a midway alt are you?

What are you driving at here?

that you arent really explaining

I think Word has been pressured. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be again, but Madonna has not. Neither has popo. But pushing Word again is fine.

[Aloratom]

I don't know what more explanation I can give than that. I already mentioned Madonna and multi-ball.

[Aloratom]

Nahdia defended word though

Can you pull this up?

[Aloratom]

i dont think we need to pressure madonna. i think that by flipping midway we get a lot of info about madonna.

If people leaning Town on me and you're leaning Town on midway, then why lynch midway before utilizing a non-lynch avenue that's available? If it was a deadline issue, sure, but you've got the bully pulpit. Use it.

[Aloratom]

Nahdia defended word though

Can you pull this up?

sorry, I meant manatee
I guess nahdia and abr did decide to bus

Nahdia defended manatee or manatee defended word?

And Nahdia and abr decided to bus whom?

[Aloratom]

That's fine, but we've still got time to investigate. I don't see why we don't use it.

[Aloratom]

What's the proposal then?

[Aloratom]

I will sheep you.

[Aloratom]

WTF

UNVOTE:

[Aloratom]

I normally delete quotes within quotes to prevent walls, but if you need the post Aloratom responds to, this would be it.

What's the purpose of this post? To raise again the possibility of a second mafia? Why do that?

Did you read the quoted post? I was sharing my work with someone who was suggesting I was not doing anything. My post explains I considered it at length and eventually dismissed the idea. In a later post, Aloratom, you again push the idea that I believe the game is multiball, and again, that would be wrong.

Why is everyone so outraged by their scumread? Lynch midwaybear or get over here.

You're not outright pushing it, but you keep the idea alive. In 1753 you respond to popo's question about whether ndmath is conf!Town by saying maybe, maybe not: two mafias could explain two deaths/night or a vig could explain two deaths/night. You go into another theory post similar to 1750 about things that are acceptably true. Yet in both 1750 and 1753 you appear to come to the conclusion that the claimed PRs need to stand pat and the VTs are where the scum sit, which is the same conclusion that everyone else seems to have reached without the extraneous matter. All the theory posting does nothing to solve the game. Why bring up non-viable alternatives if they're not contributing to game solving unless you're trying to either look busy or keep those non-viable ideas alive?

[Aloratom]

I still don't understand why we're not making a more informed decision as to which VTs fit into which slot into Plan A. Why is everyone in such a rush to execute the plan?

[Aloratom]

I appreciate you laying it out in that form. You are correct that your ISO does not do it justice. If I disregard the "yes and no" lead in to 1753 and pause at "so it is not true," I believe I understand where you are coming from. And I see that you were and are trying to be transparent in your thought process. I see now where I was incorrectly assigning you a view that you do not hold. I think I saw what I wanted to see in an effort to find a bad guy.

This is the kind of dialogue I've been asking the Town leaders to engage in with the VTs so that Plan A is executed with the best information.

[Aloratom]

I don't really have much more to say until i've seen a Midway flip i realized. But keep talking.
VOTE: Midway

What do you think about Word's 1922?

[Aloratom]

I don't really have much more to say until i've seen a Midway flip i realized. But keep talking.
VOTE: Midway

What do you think about Word's 1922?

[Aloratom]

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There there is intent to lynch; we should wrap things up for now. I feel I am blatantly being ignored, so Id rather have the prs wrap it up and do whatever they want at this point. Dnt think Ill put any more effort in the game.

[Aloratom]

If Midway's Town, I think it's popo & Norwegian Boy. If Midway's scum, it's either popo or Norwegian Boy, more likely popo.

[Aloratom]

I don't really have much more to say until i've seen a Midway flip i realized. But keep talking.
VOTE: Midway

What do you think about Word's 1922?

Don't really care right now tbh. Just want a lynch. I'll think later.

Doesn't matter what the alignment is or what's going to happen tonight, I guess.

[Aloratom]

Don't really care right now tbh. Just want a lynch. I'll think later.

I don't think you're town right now. But if you are, that's a really crappy attitude.

[Aloratom]

Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

[Aloratom]

I've been operating under the supposition that it was decided I was the vig target.

But it really doesn't matter.

[Aloratom]

Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

why are we in lylo or smth

To interrupt Town planning, popo.

[Aloratom]

Keep in mind, if I were scum, I'd just hammer.

Real LAMIST bro. Do you want to be the lynch instead?

If defending myself is lamist, so be it.

[Aloratom]

It's nothing personal Aloratom, but every post of yours recently look really scummy and makes me wanna vomit.

That sounds omgussy.

[Aloratom]

Are you going to hammer, ndm?

[Aloratom]

The plan's in place. Midway continues to do nothing.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: midway