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[stan1ey]

i forgot i had signed up to this, is there a record for longest sign up?
VOTE: LicketyQuickety

[stan1ey]

It’s announcing.
Because scum say it is.
While town say it’s

"Scum syntax" arguments are heresy.

VOTE: Bell


From my long experience of playing with Norweegian (1 game!), he screams town when he's town. My ears are open for the scream.

You sure about this? Was scumread by everyone as town when replaced into a slot that was widely townread

I assumed bell was joking when he said that. If he wasnt then this is a good vote because it's an insane thing to say

[stan1ey]

Ya this Marshall wagon sucks

[stan1ey]

But to shade it just because you don't understand it and then ask us to remove all impact from the wagon by explaining it does not seem very positive of a play here.

How does explaining your reasoning for voting remove impact ?

This argument between you two feels forced af

[stan1ey]

How does explaining your reasoning for voting remove impact ?

It's kind of like telling you why explaining a joke no longer makes it funny, if you don't get it you just don't get it

Absolute nonsense lmao VOTE: superbowl9

[stan1ey]

This argument between you two feels forced af

Concluding?

Just an observation

[stan1ey]

@Nero I wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way I assume that means you dont

[stan1ey]

If you didn't think it was forced SvS why did you bring it up? Do you just not understand the concept of keeping information to yourself so you can greater benefit lol?

Where did I say it was forced SvS ? Dont remember saying that

[stan1ey]

ok, but why do you feel that way? And I'm fairly certain that several ppl were already talking about how it was so easy to wagon him so your "MM wagon suxs!" isn't exactly original content.

Because it was a pointless argument about nothing, idk why my opinion on MM not being OC matters tbh

[stan1ey]

It was a pointless discussion and it read like you were arguing for the sake of arguing. I was actually referring to super mainly becos what he was saying didnt make sense hence why I questioned him . I never said anything about it being SVS that's what super said not me

But the fact you're going along with him on this SVS thing is interesting

[stan1ey]

No it was my opinion based on the fact I also got weird vibes on what bell said but passed it off as a joke, then everyone was voting him all at once. Just didnt see the point of wagoning him. If someone else said it's bad then yes I agree with them? I even said "ya" as in "yes I agree"

[stan1ey]

You're basicly saying that

YOU

agreed with the people that were calling the wagon bad but you are kinda acting like that didn't happen and asking if ppl agree with you.

Am I? All I said was it sucks lol. I never asked if ppl agree with that

[stan1ey]

If it was an pointless discussion and you really read it as such. Then i suggest using an different vocabulary.

Did you read the whole post I wrote or are you just ignoring some parts of it

[stan1ey]

Because why would SvT fake an argument

Every argument scum make is forced because they are having to pretend to be scumhunting? Why is so hard to understand

[stan1ey]

It doesn't make sense from any!stanley which is why we all realize he can't hold that position, so he backed off it. Because why would SvT fake an argument and why would SvS posture on pg 5 in a large and draw the shitstorm of attention we've gotten

Sure i don’t mind going back to this.
VOTE: Stan1ey

I originally didnt think it was SvS (despite what superbowl keeps trying to misrep me as saying) but the fact NBEE is just going along with his nonsense makes me think it actually was

[stan1ey]

CSF because he said it was staged why would SvT stage an argument

This post is at best superbowl deliberately misrepping me and at worst blatantly lying about what I said can we just lynch him already pls

[stan1ey]

I’d like everyone to read the argument between Glitch/Nero and see if you notice anything. If not i’ll point it out myself.

ive just read it. i think glitch is making a lot of sense

I clearly have not said anything in defense of Norway, and a solid mafia player should clearly understand the difference between: 1) criticizing your vote against Norway for making a poor case and making a bad argument, and 2) defending Norway himself.

i understand that Nero using the term "chainsaw defense" is technically the right term to use (ie. attacking someone who is attacking someone else to defend them) but he is clearly not doing it to defend norway here. i think this makes Glitch come across really towny the fact that he is attacking norway for one thing, but also criticizing someone elses arguments against norway, cant see any reasoning for scum to do that if trying to push a NBEE mislynch

I expect more from a player of your caliber, Nero. If I SR you because of your play, and SR Norway because of his play, it is optimal to apply pressure, not to speculate blindfolded on a possible scum alliance. I am certainly not, in a game this large especially, going to speculate on players playing scum together right off the bat on D1. Right now is the time for evaluating indiciduals for their actions, not trying to pin two players together for being a scum team when literally no one has flipped.

glitch makes it VERY clear here is not claiming the scum team to be nero+NBEE

or wait, maybe im wrong.

If I SR you because of your play, and SR Norway because of his play, it is optimal to apply pressure, not to speculate blindfolded on a possible scum alliance. I am certainly not, in a game this large especially, going to speculate on players playing scum together right off the bat on D1.

he seems to be hinting that he thinks I was bussing norway. it's still weird mostly.

which means that this post is just 100% not true. idk how you could have interpreted it that way Nero? like come on.. he is very clearly saying he is not taking scum teams into consideration here. its day 1!!! its bad to look at interactions before you get some flips.

again, this post 664 makes 100% perfect sense and puts it out really clearly, there is nothing wrong with this:

naw, we were talking about

So far today I'll be cool with serious wagons forming on Nero, MM depending on response, or Norway

like one of the first things he did was attack me for voting norway. So it was wierd to me (and I think someone else, CSF?) that he was calling me scum but also willing to wagon the guy that he was chainsaw defending.

Why is it hard to understand this?:

Glitch believes Norway is scummy for reasons X
Nero believes Norway is scummy for reasons Y
Glitch believes reasons X are genuine
Glitch believes reasons Y are a poor argument that are scum indicative

Why does it make me scummy to believe your argument against Norway is bad, while still holding my own thoughts on why he is scummy that are different from yours?

Also, what did I specifically say that constitutes chainsaw defending Norway?

if anyone sees any problem with the logic above, please explain, because it makes perfect sense and is entirely consistent with what glitch has been trying to explain to nero the entire time.

this fool is quoting the wiki to try to make his argument seem correct and authoritative. There's a HUGE diffrence between "calling the scum team" and calling two players scum that can't possibly be scum together. If you think im scum AND don't think we are scum together then you have to think he's town. period. These are things town think about "this guy is attacking this guy so I'm prob wrong" you are absolutly not thinking about that. You are lynch first then I'll decide and thats not town.

this post is really terrible and just not true at all. its day 1. you can scumread two people who scumread eachother. glitch has made it clear many times he is not taking scum teams into consideration. nero is using a lot of ATE in this post to make his argument seem valid but its just not at all.

Why is it scummy of me to accept that and therefore choose not to adjust my present read on Norway based on how I read your alignment?

b/c its talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you think I'm scum and you DON'T think I'm scum w/ Norway you think he's town. period. end of discussion.

i think after all of the above and nero is still saying things like this i agree that nero is really arguing this in bad faith

i think glitch is town, i havent decided on nero whether or not i think he is scum or just has his head in the sand on this, leaning more towards scum rn tho. i think however i prolly missed whatever it was you were refering to tho NBEE

[stan1ey]

i said exactly what i meant, where is the slip?

[stan1ey]

And by ATE I was referring to you calling his arguments authoritative and ending with "period" to suggest it was over even tho you're wrong

[stan1ey]

if you know/think a pairing is impossible/unlikely to be S/S you don't push both, you pick on or the other.

ur just deliberately not listening to reason now

[stan1ey]

I’d like everyone to read the argument between Glitch/Nero and see if you notice anything. If not i’ll point it out myself.

What did you notice NB ?

[stan1ey]

Bell what makes you say Nero is acting like town??

[stan1ey]

are u gonna let him claim?

I also want a claim before any hammer were to happen.
Hammering before that is a scumclaim.
UNVOTE:

yh "intent to hammer" loosely translate to "time to claim buddy"

[stan1ey]

Glitch believes Norway is scummy for reasons X
Nero believes Norway is scummy for reasons Y
Glitch believes reasons X are genuine
Glitch believes reasons Y are a poor argument that are scum indicative

Why does it make me scummy to believe your argument against Norway is bad, while still holding my own thoughts on why he is scummy that are different from yours?

I still think think this makes glitch look very towny. If you're scum and attacking someone, you wont criticize someone else's attack on the same person, its counter productive for your agenda. Youd be much more likely to let it slide as scum.

I dont really get the case for lynching glitch here. Is it mainly because of his arguing with Nero? Becuase that's most of his ISO and tbh it makes him come across as towny? His is in the right and Nero was ignoring his logic and twisting things as much as possible throughout. Nero comes across way scummier than glitch throughout their back and forth

[stan1ey]

Actually while im at itVOTE: nero

[stan1ey]

Look at the sentence before that one that you crippled out and you can see why it's a question lol

[stan1ey]

Cropped***

[stan1ey]

kinda null leaning on the side of scum, having a hard time deciding where i stand with you tbh

[stan1ey]

How am i meant to know that

[stan1ey]

i think its best to wait for some flips before looking at possible scum teams

[stan1ey]

No worries pal hope all is well

[stan1ey]

Stan what’s your read on me?

I've only seen this said as scum, if it's from town. Why do you ask this as you probably would rather see their read on someone else to give more information.

I’m asking because Stan1ey strongly townread me in my latest game with him, so i find it strange he’s reading me so differently here. Therefore i’m trying to understand it.
Real nice shade btw, "i’ve only said scum say this" lol.

This is partly why I'm having a hard time with you, you havent done anything big that screams scum but you seem v different toneaally to the last game we played where u were very obviously town from early on

[stan1ey]

what about nero today, superbowl tomorrow?

[stan1ey]

what about nero today, superbowl tomorrow?

This response to Nero gives me the opposite of warm and fuzzy feelings.

superbowl first then?

[stan1ey]

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

[stan1ey]

Ftr im against lining up lynched. but either one is a good lynch rn

What do you mean by this?

I'm happy to lynch either nero or superbowl today (preferably nero)but it's best not to line up lynches ie. we shouldn't seriously be suggesting to lynch X person today and Y person tomorrow

[stan1ey]

Stan is just as guilty as I am, although he later backs off b/c he's trying to look townie. Glitch's alignment won't change my feelings about Stan.

Lmao I was making at a joke about you lining up lynched, pretty sure that's obvious.... youve been reaching a lot this game but I think this is the most brazen one yet

[stan1ey]

I mean a guy is calling me scum but hasn't even stopped to ponder who I was scum with.

VOTE: vote:stan1ey

i think its best to wait for some flips before looking at possible scum teams

did you miss this one..? keep on reaching nero

Stan is still scum for calling SB/Norway inteactions "forced AF" and not explaining why the MM wagon sucked.

why is saying something is forced scummy?

also i went back through my iso to double check, 1 i was agreeing with someone else when i said "yea this wagon sucks" and 2 i actually did explain what i meant kinda when someone asked:

No it was my opinion based on the fact I also got weird vibes on what bell said but passed it off as a joke, then everyone was voting him all at once. Just didnt see the point of wagoning him. If someone else said it's bad then yes I agree with them? I even said "ya" as in "yes I agree"

i dont remember anyone asking me to explain why i didnt like the MM wagon after i said this until now when youre bringing it up like 40 pages later lmao

nero has been misrepping people so much this game its like he is viewing a completely different game entirely, anyone who town reads him really should start explaining why. he is the most scummy person in this game by far

[stan1ey]

Why don’t you see that Glitch has been scummy tho.

whats he done thats scummy? scummiest thing in his iso for me rn is his soft claim at L-2

[stan1ey]

did you miss this one..? keep on reaching nero

yes you saw your mistake and made a new post. its not a reach b/c im not commenting on that post. 1146 deff looks like an attempt at looking uniformed.

"look at how uniformed I am by say "how would I know that?"!"

nero i really doubt anyone is going to think thats what i meant or was trying to do. i made that post 8 pages ago which nobody replied to until now, between this and going back to the MM wagon on page 6 its very obvious youre just looking for any reason for SRing me you think might fly

[stan1ey]

i didnt say you misrepped me about MM lol

[stan1ey]

saying an argument is "forced AF" is tantamount to saying there is scum in it or its scum theatre. As I recall you didn't think it was ST. Maybe you scum read one of norway/sb.

maybe by the fact i quoted SB should have pointed out i was referring to SB?

But to shade it just because you don't understand it and then ask us to remove all impact from the wagon by explaining it does not seem very positive of a play here.

How does explaining your reasoning for voting remove impact ?

This argument between you two feels forced af

It was a pointless discussion and it read like you were arguing for the sake of arguing. I was actually referring to super mainly becos what he was saying didnt make sense hence why I questioned him . I never said anything about it being SVS that's what super said not me

But the fact you're going along with him on this SVS thing is interesting

tbf when i looked at it again the fact i said "between you two" is probably where people thought it was SvS. but i cleared that up as soon as sb said it:

If you didn't think it was forced SvS why did you bring it up? Do you just not understand the concept of keeping information to yourself so you can greater benefit lol?

Where did I say it was forced SvS ? Dont remember saying that

[stan1ey]

but I was already scum reading you for the "dorced AF" thing. Why did you just misrep me there? See, I can do it too

how did i misrep you??

[stan1ey]

heres some examples of actual misreps

or wait, maybe im wrong.

If I SR you because of your play, and SR Norway because of his play, it is optimal to apply pressure, not to speculate blindfolded on a possible scum alliance. I am certainly not, in a game this large especially, going to speculate on players playing scum together right off the bat on D1.

he seems to be hinting that he thinks I was bussing norway. it's still weird mostly.

but it's said in such a roundabout way that it's just kinda ambiguous

glitch says he is not speculating on players being scum together. nero you say that he is hinting that you are bussing norway, which would suggest glitch is speculating you are both on the scum team - practically the opposite of what he said

Glitch today, stan tomorrow

what about nero today, superbowl tomorrow?

here i copy nero setting up a chain lynch. pretty sure this is very obvious that meant to be a parody at nero's expense and not serious, considering i posted it straight after he did in the same format, and was poses as a question to him.

if anybody wants to say that they misread it or the parody went over their head, then ill say thats fair as i cant prove otherwise. but saying this..

Stan is just as guilty as I am, although he later backs off b/c he's trying to look townie.

.. is taking twisting the truth to the next level.

[stan1ey]

anyone who town reads him really should start explaining why. he is the most scummy person in this game by far

im being serious here btw. if people cant explain why they TR nero he needs more votes

[stan1ey]

me and glitch have called you out for misrepping him many times. i even quoted that exact same part and replied when i first read it and your response was:

oh shit, I made a mistake when I got off stan but thats ok we are still lynching scum

but now suddenlty youre claiming "no no i wasnt misrepping him i just misread it"...? yea dont think so

[stan1ey]

I genuinely believe Nero is scum because of the arguments I've presented so far, but I also understand that I may be SR'ing him so hard cause I'm just pissed that he is tunneling me so hard.

I don't get this. You're pissed at him "tunneling you" but you believe he is scum at the same time? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
VOTE: Glitch

VOTE: Nor-boy

Voting a claimed PR on D1 is just...

I never really understood NBEE reason for voting glitch in the first place it felt like he was just sheeping nero but that might just be because I am TRing glitch, still having a hard time reading NBEE but think leaning on the side of scum so might consider this

[stan1ey]

GLITCH IS NOT HAPPENING HE CLAIMED PR

NERO/NORWAY ARE NOT HAPPENING THEY HAVE TOO MUCH CLOUT

Can we stop wasting time voting useless people and consolidate before the deadline hits? Either join fwesnid or join a wagon going somewhere

I'll concede nero prolly isnt happened so even tho he is my biggest scumread here I'll invite

but what has NBEE done to achieve clout this game? all he has done really is simp for nero and double down on glitch after a claim. Also last game I played with NBEE he was obviously town from the get go, here his attitude is entirely different. Ik he already said that that game he made more of an effort to appear town but eh I dont really see why he wouldnt here even if isnt the same role

VOTE: NBEE

[stan1ey]

I’m not the most scummy player herw by far, even if you don’t TR me as strongly i don’t see why i should be elimmed first Stan.

Nero is the scummiest if u wanna vote there with me mate

[stan1ey]

Btw kinda irrelevant but last day or 2 my read on superbowl has done an 180 from scum to hard towny

[stan1ey]

I’m not the most scummy player herw by far, even if you don’t TR me as strongly i don’t see why i should be elimmed first Stan.

Nero is the scummiest if u wanna vote there with me mate

Why would you ask your scumread to vote with you? This is just weird and i don’t see how it’s an natural mindset from you.

I was joking cos u seemed to think I should only be voting my top scumread

[stan1ey]

Btw kinda irrelevant but last day or 2 my read on superbowl has done an 180 from scum to hard towny

Can't say the same for you buddy

dw when nero flips scrums I'll accept the crown as town leader

[stan1ey]

i havent been keeping up very much over the weekend but have read a little bit here and there. will do a catch up read and post anything i think of but from what ive read not much has changed for me, think we need to end day 1 now .

we have a frozen deadline now tho so if ppl want more tiem they have it, the flailing is a bit uneeded for now. i think we still have 24 hours after the deadline is unfrozen

[stan1ey]

UNVOTE: NBEE i keep doubting my own thinking here and i think since i let this game get a couple days a head of me im having trouble keeping up. i have read everything but havent had time to do form a proper thought about the game yet

btw aware my unvote looks planned with a50 saying he wont push NBEE but i did start typing this before he posted that lolol

[stan1ey]

is there even any main wagons rn? it feels like everything has stagnated

[stan1ey]

one thing that i have been able to digest from reading the last few pages is that jackson is v towny

[stan1ey]

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

I don't feel like lynching a claimed or today.

Nero wanted stanley dead I think.
VOTE: stanley

I just think this is a terrible reason to vote for me. How often do scum kill the person who scum reads them for the intention of getting them off their case? Just leads a trail back to them surely

[stan1ey]

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

That’s such a scummy thing to say.
Kill person suspecting you and then say: "it’s a set up!"
Classic.

Well you're either scum and this is your plan or you're being manipulated hard rn

[stan1ey]

Does it not make sense that scum killing Nero is intended to set up a lynch on me or glitch?

That’s such a scummy thing to say.
Kill person suspecting you and then say: "it’s a set up!"
Classic.

Well you're either scum and this is your plan or you're being manipulated hard rn

LMAO manipulated into scumreading you after he scumread you for the whole D1

You're proving my point. Day 1 NBEE did nothing but sheep Nero all day in and try to wagon me/glitch. If hes town it's pretty obvious he is gonna tunnel me or glitch even harder if Nero died since Nero was also trying to scumreading me and glitch. If you're other points for why Nero was killed are true (I dont remember him hinting at a pr but I havent checked) then it's two birds with one stone surely? Although NBEE still could just be scum and is playing up to this to appear like he is towny being manipulated

[stan1ey]

VOTE: MM

[stan1ey]

Maybe they should kill stanley he seems to be 100% accurate with all his statements

[stan1ey]

UNVOTE:

[stan1ey]

I'm a vigilante, and shot Pickaxe Pete last night for rather obvious reasons.

this plus the two crumbs he has alluded to probably clears MM as town unless someone else claims to have shot pete

[stan1ey]

You're saying that scum is more likely to hop on your wagon than town. I'm telling you everyone who's played 1 game of mafia is on that wagon, regardless of alignment.

Superbowl you are 100% right here but I think the point MM is making is more than that. Look at this post from Glitch that MM pointed out:

I think that's such a stretch. If we're wrong MM can just take out scum!Fwesnid on his way down and now it will also tell us a bit about the alignment of Flake and A50.

VOTE: Glitch

With the light of the feedback, this post looks pretty bad. From a town PoV, it'd be a poorly detailed position (and it's not that Glitch can't detail his position, he proved it during the Nero - Glitch fight). From a scum PoV, it'd be an easy lineup of two PR deaths that doesn't make him look bad and that gives him a justification to vote me and to support the vengekill on Fwesnid.

see here its more than just glitch being on the wagon. if we assume Glitch is scum for a second, he is using his knowledge that both Fwes and MM were likely both telling the truth to set up both of their deaths in one go, and reads as if he is persuading people to get it over with to achieve that. (tbf tho its likely MM would have shot Fwes anyway if he had died, so its not needed to tell MM to do it anyway but still)

VOTE: glitch thats 8/10 votes, still not convinced glitch is scum but when MM pointed the above out it made me think its quite likely tbf. plus idk where else to vote and id like to get to the bottom the mysterious soft claim too

[stan1ey]

lol UNVOTE:

[stan1ey]

I have 2 breadcrumbs btw, let me quote them.

?

[stan1ey]

surely he is confirmed unless someone else claims the 2nd nk, no?

[stan1ey]

unless mafia has a doctir then the real vig will just shoot a fake claiming scum!MM.

or until this happens

[stan1ey]

Ok I cooled off. Its pretty clear that I'm a *very* good PR, and I really don't want to out, unless someone specifically requests it. My clown apathy play is not to draw a NK, and I figure I can avoid ML since this game is a large. I'll give my by and large thoughts tomorrow since it's 3am here

VOTE: DDL
we cant just keep having people soft claim mystery roles and then move on we are just gonna keep going round in circles until we lynch a vt or someone quickhammers. I guess youre prolly sleeping but you gotta claim when youre back

[stan1ey]

L-1 no votes until DDL is awake

[stan1ey]

Is there an disadvantage to just having a mass claim at this point? There are so many PR claims that are vague and scum might be hiding behind. It’s better to just have everyone claim in sequence and then we can setup spec?

not against it but dont think were at that point yet

[stan1ey]

that's the 2nd time you've fell for that on the same page lool

[stan1ey]

im not even mad jackson hammered that response was an absolute joke I reckon we finally hit scum

[stan1ey]

Wait was that not actually hammer?

No. He's currently @L-2

Ffs just when I called out shelly for falling for it

[stan1ey]

i genuinely thought i put him at L-1 btw, because JV said it then invited, i wasnt trolling

[stan1ey]

maybe it's not you voting me but the F tier reason for doing it that's scummy?

[stan1ey]

whether I was scum or town have i wouldnt have kneejerk reaction to your vote on me because its so bad

[stan1ey]

To be fair if you were hammered you could have been more helpful.

i got hammered as a cop im rly not interested in being positive town utility rn tbh

you were refusing to be helpful before you claimed too btw

[stan1ey]

^ vote this out tmrw if the cop really is hammered

why?

[stan1ey]

i didnt hammer btw

[stan1ey]

putting someone at L-1 and asking for a claim is like the standard way of doing things on here, no? what looks bad?

[stan1ey]

Ok here's a read: Stanley's vote is super scummy in its own right. On words, he claims "hey let's let DrDo do a claim thing", while he actively puts me on L-1 and closes the distance to lynch, which I think is that he's looking for someone, anyone to not pay attn and hammer so that that the freaking cop in the setup can be eliminated on accident

if youre buying into this dreadful argument, well... i thought it didnt even deserve a response

1. like i said, putting someone on L-1 and asking for a claim is standard procedure.
2. i made an entire seperate post saying its L-1 and told people not to vote
3. how tf could i have known he was a cop anyway?? he said this before he was hammered lmao

[stan1ey]

saying “you weren’t being helpful btw” reads as v weak justification

that wasnt my reason for voting...

[stan1ey]

we cant just keep having people soft claim mystery roles and then move on we are just gonna keep going round in circles until we lynch a vt or someone quickhammers. I guess youre prolly sleeping but you gotta claim when youre back

heres my actual "justification", i cant be only one here who wants to see some full claims since various people are calling on a mass claim, so dont fault me for backing off when he did another mystery claim

[stan1ey]

i’m fine w a massclaim

lol i promise i wrote that before this

[stan1ey]

im also happy to mass claim

[stan1ey]

+ regardless still saying that isn’t a great look @ur last post

again, i asked why. if DDL didnt want to get wagoned he should have made more an effort. he openly admitted he wasnt trying lol

[stan1ey]

its not in response to a cop claim lol.... hes already dead

[stan1ey]

i cant see how im at fault for putting someone at L-1 to force a full claim when almost everyone here is saying they want a mass claim anyway

[stan1ey]

it’s just ur vibes bro

fairs

[stan1ey]

i cant see how im at fault for putting someone at L-1 to force a full claim when almost everyone here is saying they want a mass claim anyway

UNVOTE:

it’s just ur vibes bro

fairs

i was gonna leave it and wait til day 2 but since it isnt over: you are voting the person that put someone at L-1 to force a claim instead of the person that """"hammered"""" a cop claim

please tell me why

[stan1ey]

VOTE: JV

he hasnt said anything after the "hammer" as if he was just keeping quiet to not bring attention to anyone, looks a lot like scum sacrificing themselves. plus DDL's remarks after he thought he was dead makes me think he isnt lying

[stan1ey]

you are voting the person that put someone at L-1 to force a claim instead of the person that """"hammered"""" a cop claim

please tell me why

this applies to you as well NBEE and superbowl

[stan1ey]

Glitch - mystery PR
Fwes - gunsmith
Titus - babysitter
72 - watcher
Nero - souped up roleblocker
MM - vengeful vig
IKS - mystery PR
DoLittle - novice cop
Jackson - mystery cop

UNVOTE: JV ok his quick hammer makes sense if this is true. has anyone ever seen a normal game with 2 cops, that's too OP for town to be legit right? the JV/DDL CC needs to be resolved first in my opinion.

i dont care either way when it comes to a mass claim at this point. ill happily claim my role whenever ppl want me to

[stan1ey]

Actually I changed my mind im pro mass claim, but I do have concerns we might be doing it a lil early but if people wanna go for it I'm down

[stan1ey]

I dont think this game is as fucked as it seems tho, there is 5 scum and I think 1 of JV or DDL has to be scum so that's 1. Glitch and IKSF, if one of these two are scum then so is the other so thats 3. if one of them is town then we have 2 confirmed PR roles and it narrows down our list. I actually think we are in a pretty decent position tbh

[stan1ey]

PMA everyone

[stan1ey]

thats fair. like I said im happy to claim whenever ppl want me to

[stan1ey]

Glitch and IKSF, if one of these two are scum then so is the other

wait I don't understand

why is Glitch / Siteflaking a scumpair?

IKSF soft claimed and said he has a clear on Glitch

[stan1ey]

Wait I thought manatee confirmed it wssnt a hammer ??

[stan1ey]

Hammer or no hammer, the JV vs DDL CC needs to be resolved first

[stan1ey]

@JacksonVirgo
The reason you suspect DDL is fake claiming is because his role isn’t likely to be in the same setup as your role is?

Their claim and my role are similar in an skeptical way (or whatever the word is) and I just don't see both being in the same game. If my role was slightly different I would think it would fit, although it could also be from inexerience that I am thinking this way.

Jackson at this point mate whats the downside to you full claiming?

[stan1ey]

Ur gonna have to claim buddy. I wanna know if your suspicion on DDL is not unfounded.
If it’s suspicious then i’ll probably agree with you that DDL needs to go. He doesn’t have much going for him other than that claim.

Maybe we should let JV wait until Manatee confirms whether DDL is dead or not? But if DDL is alive, we have to lynch one or the other today so Jackson you have to full claim at that point

[stan1ey]

I thought mod already clarified there’s been no lynch yet?

thats what i thought but apparently that isnt the case? shelly and JV seem to think otherwise

[stan1ey]

I'm really not sure about the votecount and I want to uphold this game to the best standard i can and in my current mental state i dont think i can do that. I'm going to leave the thread for 1-2 hours and come back with a completely checked votecount doublechecking from all of D2's votes. apologies.

last post from manatee

[stan1ey]

I believe JV

[stan1ey]

VOTE: DDL

[stan1ey]

yep lets let this JV vs DDL thing get sorted and see if we need to do it tomorrow, tbh we might not have to we are in a half decent position rn

[stan1ey]

the jackson claim was fine to me

His claim solves the cc war

yeah but the point is if DDL is already dead then it was for nothing

BUT JV had already claimed cop right? its not like that was massive news anyway

[stan1ey]

Uhh ok

I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY HAMMER

pedit: Jackson claimed AFTER DDL got "hammered". it was *kinda* massive

i mean his full (not really full) claim in the last post or so wasnt massive news cos we all knew it was cop anyway

[stan1ey]

superbowl he had already claimed cop lol

[stan1ey]

lets all calm down a bit we are finally getting somewhere we should be happy rn

[stan1ey]

lets all calm down a bit we are finally getting somewhere we should be happy rn

Woohoo yes stanley!! You finally got some good NK info for tonight! Huge progress after this hammer!

Okay done w the salt

have you had your morning coffee yet bro?

[stan1ey]

am i town leader now??? i think i am

[stan1ey]

I'm going to wait a bit before outting my results

dont out your result until glitch claims, you dont want to influence what he will claim

[stan1ey]

I feel so tempted to out my result and I am super salty about it but it's best not to yet.

i cant imagine glitch saying anything that will convince us not to kill him today tbh

[stan1ey]

i already asked him to wait

and i have no clue why they left both jackson and MM alive. plus wtaf was IKSF THINKING when he made up the soft claim on glitch. glitch must have a really OP role if they were that desperate to save him

[stan1ey]

And people were super mad at me for hammering

bruh i was getting flame for the L-1 lmao

[stan1ey]

siteflaking clearing glitch soft guilties glitch

I WANT GLITCH TO CLAIM ASAP

Glitch needs to full claim in his first post or face instant death

[stan1ey]

NBEE being scum is definitely not a tinfoil hat theory mate dw

[stan1ey]

Everyone should hold off claiming or revealing results until glitch full claims, ik it wont entirely matter bcos Glitch should die either way but still

[stan1ey]

NBEE being scum is definitely not a tinfoil hat theory mate dw

Meaning you can see them as scum or you can't see them as scum?

I think its entirely possible. his early push on glitch makes me think he isnt at this point but he was v scummy day 1 and like superbowl pointed out pushing you to claim was unnecessary (but I dont think it was that bad tbh)

[stan1ey]

I agree, adding Ydrasse

[stan1ey]

I'm against mass claiming right now btw. We are in such a good position rn

[stan1ey]

let's let glitch claim, then discuss any night results, kill glitch and then see if we need to mass claim tomorrow

[stan1ey]

[quote="In post 3820
i cant imagine glitch saying anything that will convince us not to kill him today tbh[/quote]
this is why I love this game, so many twists!

[stan1ey]

am i town leader now??? i think i am

Ahemmm... I'm confirmed vigi but ok this may be dumb but why are do you think you are town leader? Just wanna hear your reasoning here

im just spitting straight facts bro

[stan1ey]

Shelly seems like the type that will fall in line and we can sort.

If we are assuming town!Glitch then

VOTE: Titus

Why Titus??

[stan1ey]

[quote="In post 3820
i cant imagine glitch saying anything that will convince us not to kill him today tbh

this is why I love this game, so many twists!

Don’t forget my healthy contribution.[/quote]
true. if you had come in and said "nah that's bs lmao" glitch would have been spooked

[stan1ey]

Glich,

I'd be interested in hearing your reads of people who are *not* Norway or Nero.

I find Bell and superbowl are my biggest town reads. Who are your town reads?

Who are you still trying to get a read on? I'm still trying to sort Town Looter and Marshmellow.

Hiraki, Bell, Looter, Stan, and NPOM are my too TRs right now.

SB, Pete, you, and A50 are hard for me to sort and I'm null reading.

Other SL/SRs are Jackson and MM

Still would be cool with PLing lapsa

A50 is obvtown, so who on that wagon is scum then?

Norway - scum
72 - confusing AF
Titus - let's get some more content
JV - SL'd for a while but TL'd after this weekend
NPOM - TL'd who has nulled out for me

I feel like I need to ISO 72 to get a better read there for sure. I'll do that soon. I would love to hear from all 5 on the wagon if they think there's scum on the wagon and if so, who?

[stan1ey]

those were fairly close to day 1 end. no mention of IKSF at all. biggest TR seems to be A50 me hirai bell looters and NPOM

I get reads can change but this seems off to be if IKSF is supposedly his biggest TR but doesnt even get a mention?

[stan1ey]

I kinda feel comfortable townblocking Me/Norway/Glitch/Shelly/Bell/Looter

Why isnt MM and Jackson in there at the minimum?

[stan1ey]

I kinda feel comfortable townblocking Me/Norway/Glitch/Shelly/Bell/Looter

Why isnt MM and Jackson in there at the minimum?

Has Jackson claimed?

bruh wtf were you asleep all day 2 or smth

[stan1ey]

Has Jackson claimed?

You are obviously having problems keeping up.

[stan1ey]

Nope I actually lynched scum day 2.

Did you? I remember you and Ydrasse thinking there was no hammer and voting for me instead for putting DDL on )
L-1

[stan1ey]

I think NPOM is scum here trying to back out of a hole they just flew into

Does anyone see what I do, or think it's just "haha lol they making funny"

no i think he is.

i also think page 161 looks like scum!NBEE and scum!NPOM bussing eachother

some might even say it looks... "forced af"

[stan1ey]

Nope I actually lynched scum day 2.

you were NOT happy at all at the DDL lynch so this is just not a good statement tbh, even if you were on wagon - bussing is a thing in this game

but tbf i need to go back and check what youre actual points were

[stan1ey]

Oh look, Stan is back to his old roots of shading.
Remind me why you’re supposed to be town again?

im town leader, remember

[stan1ey]

ill willingly pass the crown over to you and only you jackson

[stan1ey]

maybe MM if he wants it

[stan1ey]

NBEE, GLitch, what kind of reads did IKSF write in your PT? did he say who he thinks is scum/town etc?

[stan1ey]

Looks like only 4 votes to me.

lets make it 5
VOTE: NPOM

[stan1ey]

if I do a VCA quick now am i lynch proof?

[stan1ey]

happy to claim if ppl wanna do the mass claim, still not a massive fan of it tho

[stan1ey]

where would you put me JV?

[stan1ey]

where would you put me JV?

Wdym? Are you asking if I have you in the poe? Yeah I do, I only have 2/3 people that I think a full-claim may not be necessary and one of those have already claimed.

Yes asking if you want me to claim or not basically. idk if it will benefit town or not bull ill do it if u want

[stan1ey]

At this point, enough PRs have claimed to make massclaim only damaging for scums. Let's go.

I'm vt
kinda busy today I am reading tho

[stan1ey]

So, who did JV check??? Shouldn't you a;; have asked him that before you started claiming??

their alternative night cop, no?

[stan1ey]

No it wasnt last night was their "redacted" night

[stan1ey]

VOTE: shelly
this game is freelo blw

[stan1ey]

even if we thought ur claim is true we should still lynch you shelly as it's only a vt claim and if you flip green we can just kill looter next, havent got a leg to stand on rlly either way

[stan1ey]

last day I was v confident we would win but now im starting to get spooked by scum not targeting the PRs

[stan1ey]

I dont think im scummy btw but I am bias. you wouldnt have been able to hammer DDL if I didnt put him at L1 (which people at the time called me scummy for doing). I was on the NPOM wagon which flipped town which I guess was bad but I think its good we got that flip anyway, overall even trying to look objectively I dont think I've been that scummy, or else I wouldnt have made it this far with barely any pressure besides ppl occasionally saying SR me

BUT I can understand from a POE perspective if I look from your perspective im not in a good spot tho, which is why I'm nervous of our "confirmed" PRs because there isnt that many players left from a POE perspective.

It's basically me Ralph and NBEE? I can see NBEE being scum, but not Ralph tbh.

before this day started I was gonna come in and say its A50 and Ydrasse but obv A50 was town and somebody said Ydrasse was cleared? Ill go back and check that but could someone 3explain how please

[stan1ey]

NBEE, can you go back and read the 3 - 4 pages where I put DDL on L1 and see his and other ppl reaction to that and the hammer and tell me what you think, if you think that can feasibly be SVS

[stan1ey]

Stan this might be awkward, but can you try to towncase yourself? Have you done anything you don’t think scum!you would have done up to this point?

This is basically what im trying to do rn cos ik how fucked my position is rn

[stan1ey]

NBEE, can you go back and read the 3 - 4 pages where I put DDL on L1 and see his and other ppl reaction to that and the hammer and tell me what you think, if you think that can feasibly be SVS

This is prolly the best case for town1ey. I dont think this comes from SVS

[stan1ey]

Btw the DDL thing why I came into day 3 saying I was town leader, obviously i was joking but I genuinely thought that that basically cleared me

[stan1ey]

Clear is the wrong word, but i dont think scum would ever put their partner on L1 when ppl were seemingly backing off of the wagon, then go on to accuse each other of being scum when there was confusion as to if it was even a hammer or not. I just assumed ppl would see me as town after that point I guess hence why I said im town leader but I guess not

[stan1ey]

Like look how genuinely angry DDL was with me

[stan1ey]

This is my concern, from my perspective:

Confirmed:
stan1ey
MM
JV
Looter

Semi confirmed:
Glitch
Titus
Ydrasse

Not confirmed:
NBEE
Ralph

[stan1ey]

if it's not ralph or NBEE then we have a PR liar problem, and tbh I think Ralph is town

[stan1ey]

guess I am just bias

[stan1ey]

Ik ppl will say "town should never advocate their own lynch" or whatever but I think it has to be either me or you today NBEE

[stan1ey]

Stan, from your perspective of course you will appear as conf-town to yourself. To other's you most definitely aren't. Putting a buddy on to L-1 is not something that is town!ai.

yeah I get that, but it with the context of how it happened and what happened after I dont think its feasible to be SVS

[stan1ey]

Not rlly I'm just thinking in POE terms rn

[stan1ey]

How was Ydrasse cleared? sorry for being lazy and not checking myself

[stan1ey]

I'd include JV in the 100% category too along with MM and looter

[stan1ey]

mainly the DDL counterclaim and hammer

[stan1ey]

lmao

[stan1ey]

Scum could have a strongman considering three goons have flipped so far

Could glitch and Titus both be scum? We have so many strong town PRs the 3 goons is more proof we have a lying PR problem

Glitch is confirmed neighborizor NOT confirmed town

[stan1ey]

i love how every time i start to get into hot water i immediately get out of it with 0 effort lmao

[stan1ey]

very wp guys, that was a rlly fun game

[stan1ey]

Mafia isn't just about being right A50, but convincing others you're right.

Again if I respond to this I am risking eating a ban, so I won't.

But seriously, what has this site come to? It used to be there was a majority of GOOD scum hunters all over the place. Right now it's just trollers, people who can't even think, people who treat mafia as a "random guessing game", and people who want to have it their own way regardless of the cost because they probably have personality issues they try to compensate for at the expense of everyone's enjoyment. It's no fun AT ALL when someone decides to switch off their brain and just go gung-ho all throw the game. THANK GOD I wasn't a starter in this game (and I now TOTALLY understand why RV keeps replacing out of games)