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[Albert B. Rampage]

hey guys. lets win this before cyberpunk 2077 comes out, yeah?

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Let's suss out the weakest link first.

VOTE: Kanna

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's suss out the weakest link first.

VOTE: Kanna

First of all, can you explain this vote.
Have you read the game prior to placing it?

No I read it after replacing in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I probably caught 1 scum and they ran away.

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FLEE BEFORE ME IN TERROR

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Why, when you read the game did you have nothing to comment on?

Besides ascetic claim what else? I believe it.

Norwee is town.

We have to flush out the inactives.

[Albert B. Rampage]

yes, clearly ascetic claim was the only thing that happened in this game before you replaced in.

thoughts on muh and his wagon?

what are your reads?

Muh is town, aggressive and confident.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Down to vote any of NPOM, Glitch and Goldenpara.

VOTE: Glitch

[Albert B. Rampage]

Muh is town, aggressive and confident.

eh...

I could certainly maybe see him being confident that he won't be eliminated but I don't see aggressive. He's like sitting there and doing nothing.

I think scum him could be just as confident that he won't get eliminated and it's null. He's a solid elim.

This game started Sunday, I don't think it's a huge deal he hasn't done anything yet.

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JacksonVirgo-was suspicious of this slot b/c I kept seeing them on but wasn't posting. I didn't like his catchup.
muh316-felt early gul vote was go with the flow and scummy. thought his reaction and justification for this reaction was scummy
Tayl0r Swift-using WIFOM, disconnect from the thread
Albert B. Rampage-yucky intro and vote on an inactive slot, TL did nothing but complain.
innocentvillager-"look at me im doing things" not scumhunting. stopped being active.


ulmat-i just didn't like his Glitch vote. I don't think Glitch was fishing as he claimed.
tpg-look @ that ISO

these were the scummiest slots, imo. If all the scum were in there then everyone else would be town. This is not a hard concept.

but i might buy into the JV super angry is a town reaction.

What about NPOM and Goldenpara? What do you not like about my intro?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't do catch ups so I mainly replace into early day 1s lol

All this shade about my entrance is concerning

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taylor is town

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Nothing important or interesting can possibly happen without my active involvement <- my mentality

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Taylor you want me to vote Nero? What are you offering in return?

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Glitch NPOM Umlot Kanna-slot and Golden

Pretty sure we have better than 50% odds of hitting scum in this group

I'll iso guillotine

[Albert B. Rampage]

Meeehhhhhhh

Guile is an ok vote but you can do better than that Norwee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't you think the ascetic claim by itself is a bit too risky for guill? If not for that I would vote the slot with you, because it's true it's scummy. Other slots are more interesting. Like NPOM. Could also go for May if anyone wants.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hey ABR, you have any reads?

A couple townreads

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Don't you think the ascetic claim by itself is a bit too risky for guill? If not for that I would vote the slot with you, because it's true it's scummy. Other slots are more interesting. Like NPOM. Could also go for May if anyone wants.

May hasn't pinged me any way other than activity wise, NPOM idk. Why them?

If it's deadline yeah id vote guill because why not. At this point why push a claimed slot when there's so much unaccounted for. I want more certainty in my reads first. I want to make people nervous and decide when they think they should claim or place a dangerous vote.

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who?

but no scumreads?

Norwee muh taylor and you are townreads

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Its pretty funny how guill left and said they would iso duke and its been 5mins and duke has 2 posts

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VOTE: guillotina

I can't put up with this slot all game lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hello everyone! Sorry I'm late.
So far, my main read is IV as town due to the Ascetic claim. I'll look through the thread and try to work out some other reads.

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Huh! What happened to your other reads? Also IV town reads me for my ascetic claim and the progression of how i claimed it yet you'd read me scum?

Its pretty funny how guill left and said they would iso duke and its been 5mins and duke has 2 posts

VOTE: guillotina

I can't put up with this slot all game lol

Are you scum?

Me: say i will iso guil's 60 posts. Take 2mins.

You: say you will iso duke's 2 posts. Takes 7mins.

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Did you wash your hands at least?

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Why does your name end with an a and your pronoun is a he?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm coming around to the ascetic fakeclaim camp lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you look at muhs iso it looks aggressive to me

[Albert B. Rampage]

Except nobody's forgot about me and I'm the top wagon at the moment.

why is it exactly that you are still doing nothing in this game?

There's nothing for me to do yet

this is the one post that flagrant feels neither aggressive nor confident
like, dude is literally being as passive and non-committal as he can be here

He's not wrong

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR please. There had been a lot of content up to that point. Saying there's nothing to do is just an excuse both town or scum make because they are lazy.

Example of "lots of content"? What are notable events?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Explain to me all the excitement in the first 300 posts Gamma

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR's intro was yucky and all town looter did was complain about this game before peacing out.

Okay I can kinda see that
Does anyone have any meta with town looter?

Why would anyone need meta on looter when he made 1 post in the game lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we get you biscuits and meta on Duke while we're at it? Lol

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I just don't believe anyone is really this bad at Mafia.

Who is this referring to? What’s the implication?

I think your and Norwegian's scumread of Guillotina requires him to be a complete dumbass who thinks just shouting "I'M TOWN AND ALSO A VERY STABLE GENIUS" and drawing a ton of attention to himself is a good way to play, not in any sort of sophisticated double-bluffing way but in a pure level-zero not-knowing-how-to-hide way. It's not impossible but I don't really think it's the case.

Guillotina is a below average player hiding behind an enigmatic claim, so it's not that hard to believe.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Welcome DGB!

[Albert B. Rampage]

*grabs popcorn*

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I 100% expect to be eliminated for this mistake, but to be clear I did iso Guillotina last night, town read the slot, and had forgotten all about it this morning.

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VOTE: muh

Glitch's ISO is pretty hit-or-miss but his most recent posts feel like he's really trying to be active despite real-world time constraints, rather than leaning on them as an excuse not to be.

Who do you think muh's scumbuddies are?

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Agreed.

VOTE: umlaut

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who's down for lynching umlaut?

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Innocentvillager is just scum calling town tells scum tells, except he's so overeager to do it that he's doing it on what's more likely to be read as a scum tell.

Replace IV with Guillotina and I agree!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Despite having read everything, I feel lost. Can someone just TL;DR the events of the last 10 pages?

TL;DR me the exciting adventures of pages 1-15 and I'll consider it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if you already read the first 15 pages why do you want a TL:DR?

Apparently I missed the exciting stuff

[Albert B. Rampage]

what have you done

[Albert B. Rampage]

oh there's a hammer

Claimless quickhammer

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Really doubting my Norwee read now

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Yes he's not this bad. We had scum on the ropes and he pulled a 180

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VOTE: Pretentious

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum blundered and it's time to capitalize on their mistakes bois

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i bet Boon saw my post where I thought there were 6 players on the wagon and then thought he hammered.

He thought he did too

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Pretentious will flip town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good to see you again as well!

[Albert B. Rampage]

You owed me one for replacing out of my game and then paid me back by replacing into my slot in Lillith's bastard game

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Norwee

I like this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've seen FL do this exact quickhammer thing as town. It's NAI guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

thoughts on Nero?

He’s gonna push you as my buddy.

If Nero pushes me he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really don't like how little resistance muh and Pretentious got. Seems like scum's designated mislynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

the thing is when you flip scum everyone that unvoted you looks bad. Now you can certainly make the argument that players that unvoted you are more likely to be uninformed of your alignment while scum would be more likely to vote their buddy going down. I just don't think its the wisest play to just discount everyone that unvotes you.

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83046

Flavor Leaf hammered his own townread in this game and I know he does it as part of his gimmick. Anybody who plays with him also knows this meta. How many games have you played with him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can Pretentious be scum here? Yes, absolutely. The quickhammer attempt wasn't town but for FL it's NAI.

My reasoning here is that if we lynch this slot and it flips town, we are handicapping ourselves on a massive scale. When I played scum last game, Boon was my biggest threat and I tried super hard to eliminate him at any cost. FL is a good player. He will prove useful and if he doesn't, we can yeet him later.

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here's the thing. muh was unclaimed IF he was a town PR then Boon is 100% fucking over town. Its not a play that town should EVER make. Thus he is not town.

Read the game I linked. He hammered the unclaimed

town cop

as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Have you guys really not played any games with FL?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He hammered the unclaimed town cop as town.

y is he still allowed to play then? This is like playing against your wincon and is a bannable offense.

I think Boon is pretty likely to be scum anyways but we can chalk this up to policy. But Boon has already shaded everyone calling it a PL. Seems like Boon has covered all his bases.

The worst part of it is he was townreading the unclaimed cop for the entire day for 2 weeks. He just hammered him because he could. It's his thing. You know it's NAI.

Can Pretentious be scum here? Yes, absolutely. The quickhammer attempt wasn't town but for FL it's NAI.

My reasoning here is that if we lynch this slot and it flips town, we are handicapping ourselves on a massive scale. When I played scum last game, Boon was my biggest threat and I tried super hard to eliminate him at any cost. FL is a good player. He will prove useful and if he doesn't, we can yeet him later.

He also nearly talked his way out of getting testing as confscum in the game replaced you in. Scum!him is a serious threat at any point.

He wasn't even close to talking his way out of it. Once the stats became public he got yeeted in a flash.

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Have you guys really not played any games with FL?

I've played with FL, still don't think he's town.

Do you agree that when he's town, he's a priority threat to scum?

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Taylor is town.

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Norwee jumping on Muh at the end however, was not town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys.

Would it make sense if we just let them catch up and post their reads first?

We have plenty of time.

Nero/Gamma/NPOM, if Pretentious doesn't prove themselves useful in the next few days, I will vote them out myself. Let's cool it. We can always put our votes back on. They aren't going anywhere.

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If we use that logic for Pretentious, shouldn't we use the same logic for Nero and Norway?

how?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR goes from calling him scum for trying to QH to saying he's nai.

Scum blundered and it's time to capitalize on their mistakes bois

I've seen FL do this exact quickhammer thing as town. It's NAI guys.

I'm the only one that finds this progression sketchy?

I didn't realize who Pretentious was when I was voting them.

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Pretentious tactics is pretty clear when looking back on it. Divide and conquer. At first he’s trying to pocket me and calls Nero scum, then when it’s not working he 180’s and calls Nero town and me scum.

Easy excuse to death tunnel and end the day.

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2 votes on him and he came apart like a cheap suit.

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Que ABR saying "yeah i like this" and voting me for ?? reasons just as Pretentious unconvincingly began suggesting i was scummy. (For reasons that have yet to evolve beyond basic OMGUS as far as i can see)

Not everybody would have caught you for your late wagon muh vote. Too bad I'm in this game because you got completely exposed.

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its in his sig. and even if you didn't know I don't see why who it is would change things. "oh he's done it b4" he's done it as scum too. Also, the way he's reacting and pleading are like a scum reaction to getting ran up. At the worst we lose a not very good VT, at best we flip a goon. Risk < reward.

It's NAI for him and you know it.

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And do you townread muh ABR?

Muh is town.

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Late wagon Muh vote? Then why do you townread Pretentious?

Because you're scum and desperate to lynch him to end the day before the town starts waking up to all the shit you've really been up to.

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Pretentious voted him without reading BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.

How many times so I have to repeat that his fake hammer is NAI!?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're DONE in this town. Finished. Forget about leading your lurksack coasting scumbuddies, it's OVER FOR YOU.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fuck your self-meta. You are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Trying to end the day without evidence by rushing elim on muh and pretentious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

20 pages in 24h where we ran in circles, with 9 days left where we can push your lurksack scumbuddies and actually progress our reads.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Call it a working theory.

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Your pushes have not been beneficial to town and people are starting to catch on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can deathtunnel you too if you'd prefer that, certainly wouldn't be the first time I've done that

I dare you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Forget Nero.

He's had the same 5 reads since page 16.

Pretentious
Muh
Taylor
Me
IV

[Albert B. Rampage]

He won't change his mind if we go another 60 or 120 pages. Just ignore him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You don't have to do anything, Nero. I'm advising my friend that he can't change the mind of a stubborn person.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are so deep inside your confirmation bias since the start of the game that I know better than to engage with you. Nothing will change.

I don't scumread you Nero. Pretentious does.

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I don't scumread you Nero

y not? you said if I scum read you then you'd scum read me so y aren't u scum reading me?

I lie to test reactions. You haven't been scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I set a trap for Taylor by saying she could bargain for my vote on you, and I threatened you, but I have townread you this entire game without outwardly saying it.

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So he's a claimed VT and the loss would be small but the reward of lynching him is great. With a big reward and a small possible loss he sounds like a perfect flip candidate, no?

like I just feel like his whole vt claim is so he can argue that he wouldn't claim VT as scum.

In theory yes but I play on intuition.

[Albert B. Rampage]

my WAY TOO EARY solve is that all 4 scum is in

JacksonVirgo

Pretentious

muh316
Tayl0r Swift
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innocentvillager

Look at this post ^

What Nero has done is harden his "way too early" solve on pg16 with no margin of error or slight deviation to the point where he's supremely confident he's right despite all evidence to the contrary.

The more the game progresses, the more certain he is of whatever his arbitrary hunch was when he started. Nobody finds scum on page 16 so I understand what's happening with him and it isn't special or worth placing any weight on.

He's not an imaginative player.

Norwee, sounds like you're playing to his meta knowledge of you to pocket him.

The reason why I win so often is because I can overcome my bias, see through illusion and form contrarian opinions that I can rally other players around eventually.

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It's way more important to get rid of active scum than flaking/non-active players that can be scum. As they have very little influence and will likely be the elimination at some point anyway if we don't hit scum until then.

I agree completely. Let's start with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who is scum, ABR?

Norwee and IV's POE.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's way more important to get rid of active scum than flaking/non-active players that can be scum. As they have very little influence and will likely be the elimination at some point anyway if we don't hit scum until then.

I agree completely. Let's start with you.

Dude, just stop.
You sound so childish.

Nah scum tend to narrate exactly what they are doing in the third person on a theoretical level. It's called putting a grain of truth in your lies.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You were caught by the best. Ain't no shame in it. I caught Flavor Leaf very easily one time and he replaced out. I see everything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

it's definitely the avi but i get a very Wake88 vibe from ABR lol

We have similar styles and avatars but I am a far better player, I've just been doing it for so long. I write mafia theory, I push the boundaries, I snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll let you go calm down and focus on the player list if that helps the game state.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who else is here? May? DGB?

[Albert B. Rampage]

as a player that has found scum on p1 this is not true

You think you found 4 scum on page 16. Would that it were true, I'd ask for your autograph.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I've been worried that there is lurker scum in like May or Duke but now I kinda lean town on Duke b/c I like the vote on Boon. Muh could be town.

If you lean town on muh, look at what Norwee's play has been all game.

Push Guill because he claimed ascetic
Push Muh-town
Push Pretentious for fake hammer

It's pathetic. He's scum yo

[Albert B. Rampage]

norway has helped me solve the last few games we've been in so lets keep him alive for the same reason you want Boon alive.

I can do this. Who do you suggest?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anything more exciting?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not interested.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That means I will half-heartedly join the bandwagon if it comes along, not that I'll give up on Norwee before 2/3 of the game even checks in to takes a side.

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VOTE: pretentious

Terrible vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Have you even read the past 10 pages Taylor?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Non lmh, then?

[Albert B. Rampage]

May has more content.

[Albert B. Rampage]

nc, nee, ge,, hard town

This post is lynchable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

true. i have more faith in may than in non imh

[Albert B. Rampage]

you guys want to go back to guillo?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Non lmh

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like with a large number of experienced players in this game we should eliminate a an inexperience lurker day one. with the player pool there is likely to be a larger number of experienced Town than experienced scum. And I feel it is just a matter of time until we weet out the scum.

I have no problem with this. Let's get Non Imh.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Get your shit together, we have a game to win FL.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Norwee will go down but first we eliminate his buddy

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nobody cares about either of your appeals to emotion. Votes and solid reads are what's necessary to swing the game back in town's favor.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Gamma and Nero are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

vote Non Imh

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Look, I don't know so much about Non, but Norwegian is actual scum, and everyone here will realize "Damn, Pretentious really knew their shit!" later.

Yeah, you will either be remembered as scum or an failure that tunnels town for shit reasons.

Disagree, you're just using that as a block for your own inexperience if you are town.

If you're town they are doing you a favor by suspecting you so you don't get NK'd. Survive today and get your head in the game for tomorrow.

@ABR are you gonna give up the ghost on this one yet?

I'm not known for my great patience but I will try.

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It doesn't help you or anyone else and it doesn't make the game enjoyable, I think it makes people cringe.

[Albert B. Rampage]

just be normal so we can read you, none of this over the top stuff

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll let you go calm down and focus on the player list if that helps the game state.

This was me to you today, Norwee ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

Have you even read the past 10 pages Taylor?

i have. and i still think norwee is pretty town. your reads almost seem the opposite of mine which sketches me out. tbh the gamestate tells me theres active scum driving wagons. it very much feels like boon manipulating things. if boon flips town ill re-evaluate.

What about Non Imh today?

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Have you even read the past 10 pages Taylor?

i have. and i still think norwee is pretty town. your reads almost seem the opposite of mine which sketches me out. tbh the gamestate tells me theres active scum driving wagons. it very much feels like boon manipulating things. if boon flips town ill re-evaluate.

I am manipulating things.

I do every game I play. People notice it when I'm town, they don't when I'm scum.

If you think I'm actively driving any wagon, check up on your reading comprehension.

I do the same thing.

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Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

I think I'm gonna start doing it more aggressively.

That's anti-town

[Albert B. Rampage]

If anyone thinks that quickhammer was bad for this game, we got 40 pages of amazing insight and analysis stringing from nearly me alone.

The past 40 pages is why players have started to drop off. I can see that you haven't even caught up to events that preceded your failed hammer. All you're doing is begging and bargaining for your life which is making "level 1 people" think you need to be yeeted quicker.

I think if we vote some of the other players, we might put this drama in the cooler for a while and get town engagement back up.

Can we give some attention to players outside of our great council of active players, guys?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im not voting here, if you want that lurker gone request a prod.

He posted yesterday

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm still slowly pushing this rock up the mountain but feel free to join me on Non Imh anytime now

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm heavily considering that Nero/Pretentious could be Scum/Third Party

Leaving this for ISO purposes

It's possible Pretentious is 3P.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Nero gets this involved if he's 3P.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's unconcerned with the game and only cares about his survival, so it's entirely possible. But I think he's crazy enough to claim 3P if he's 3P, or at least a PR to get the pressure off. VT claim is too hard of a sell, even for him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guillotina, go to my wiki and skim my games as both town and scum. Tell me if it changes your read on me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guillotina, go to my wiki and skim my games as both town and scum. Tell me if it changes your read on me.

Link me up

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... B._Rampage

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert B. Rampage if you are town, you are the player with the highest chance to figure this out.

Where did this come from all of a sudden?

[Albert B. Rampage]

i'm trying to find a vote

Who do you townread?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nice, what were your takeaways?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pretentious is not JV.

[Albert B. Rampage]

wow those reads are bad

[Albert B. Rampage]

mod: prod TGP

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pretentious is not JV.

?

same slot but different players, one actually knows how to scumhunt when he's motivated to

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree sadly

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm bored.

[Albert B. Rampage]

low content posters are not adding anything to the game at all

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks FL. Who do you think are the lurksack scum here?

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was nice seeing you again FL

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll do my best to carry the town without you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just take it as respect for your scum game bro.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll do you the honors my friend.

VOTE: Pretentious

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll hunt them down. I promise you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Boon should stick to modding until he learns how to play. Mafia, more so as town than scum (imo), is a team game and Boon is clearly incapable of playing with a team. He's immature and impulsive. Boon is an antisocial narcissistic with the social intelligence of a domestic turkey. I don't really believe his song and dance about being a "heel" or intentionally trying to get lynched. It feels like he's making excuses for poor play and just doesn't want to accept responsibility for his actions. His belief that the three biggest voices against him (me, norway and Gamma) all being scum and those defending him (ABR, NPOM, Guil) were town is just bad surface level play. His elimination was good as town may finally scumhunt.

Knowing that Boon and I were TvT it would make sense to WANT to keep Boon and I around b/c our 1v1 would eat up all the attention and prevent us from scumhunting. This is the conclusion Boon should have reached but he has neither the skill nor the humility to do as such.

This makes me think NPOM is pretty likely to be scum.

looking further at his posting...

You could argue that 1609 is a scum that he knows his scum team is lurkers.

1615 I don't really understand why someone could think there's a 3p in this game when there's no evidence of a 3p. This makes me think that he's either a 3p and thus knows there's one in the game or he's just scum that's trying to push the idea of a phantom 3p.

1959 again this doesn't make sense b/c I was on the largest wagon that was prob mostly town.

At the same time, NPOM absolutely does post hollow nonsensical things like this as town so it might not be an open and shut case.

with the exception of ABR, I lowkey think it was less likely that scum were on the Boon wagon. As such, I'd like to eliminate in

DrippingGoofball, Glitch, innocentvillager, May, NoPowerOverMe, ABR

as they were the ones that actively tried to lynch not Boon. With an emphasis on the first two as Glitch and DGB are both massively scummy.

This is insane. You are either insane or you are making a hail mary gambit that will not withstand scrutiny. Are you trying to purposely make us lose?

[Albert B. Rampage]

FL threatens and often succeeds in hammering without a claim in every game I've been with him. You know this. Gamma knows this. Why was it so important to lynch him D1? Because you three stubbornly refused to let it go, that's why.

And now you believe that scum defended town-FL and stayed away from the Norwee-led wagon, because... because what?

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's scum in one of Nero/Gamma.

If it's Gamma, umlaut is likely buddy.

If it's Nero, NPOM fits better.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yesterday, when Nero offered to put rope around May's neck, I counteroffered Non Imh, and he got really quiet and re-focused his energy on FL.

Today, he says that scum are more likely off-wagon from FL, but he excludes Non Imh for no good reason again, even though he was off-wagon.

Non Imh's biggest contribution to the game is saying Nero/Norwee/Gamma are town.

So going into day 1, Nero had a lot of answering to do. Norwee dying does semi-clear Nero though.

So Gamma it is.

VOTE: Gamma

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guillotina might have just saved the game. I would not have expected Nero to NK a perfect pocket like Norwee, but I guess he figured sooner or later Norwee would turn on him and he had to act first.

VOTE: Nero

[Albert B. Rampage]

Serial killer confirmed then

[Albert B. Rampage]

We yeet Nero and then we yeet his buddy Non Imh

Mafia is easy kids

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nero Cain needs the YEET but I am not voting right away because we need to see some more interactions today with everyone.

You know Nero almost yeeted

you

today, right?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think it's sportsmanlike to leave people who are inevitably going to be the lynch alive. It goes against my code.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

[Albert B. Rampage]

to be clear, in normals there is no chance of a guilty cop check on an innocent unless they are miller right? So given guil is truthful and Nero is not Miller, he is CONFIRMED scum?

Nero could be a vig, and Guillotina a gunsmith. Other then that, yeah, confirmed scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You take me for some kind of sicko?

[Albert B. Rampage]

same for me what

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are you voting Nero?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are you voting Nero?

Don't answer a question with a question.

I posted a whole analysis on Nero where the result is that he was scum. My vote on him was a clear push on that.

I need to solve your slot as you are the most likely to be town but there is a chance you might have hard pocketed Pretentious.

So, again. Why are you voting Nero?

That was unreadable. Check out Mastin's guide on charisma and presentation.

I voted Nero because you voted Nero, obviously. What kind of question is that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now I'm the one confused.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB has more experience than me as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

tgp are you caught up with the game? your last post was like halfway through the game, 50 pages ago

Not too much happened since page 50 to be fair

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.

Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.

He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.

Now here's what's interesting.

If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.

So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.

Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?

Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?

It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.

But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.

This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.

Guillotina is scum.

VOTE: Guillotina

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why did he lie about being shot? This lie isn't intended for the scum, it's solely intended for the town. Scum know who they shot already. So the deception is not designed to provoke scum, since they are fully aware, its only purpose is to derail town analysis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.

THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!

This is where he lied about being shot ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.

THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!

This is where he lied about being shot ^

Where did i say that i got shot there?

You said you banked on the fact that scum wouldn't shoot a claimed ascetic, but then you say it didn't work - ergo they did shoot you after all. Then you push a theory that Norwee was vigged or agree with my serial killer theory. Meaning two kills. Meanwhile you knew there was only one kill because you were never shot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guil is just a Boon lvl player that town reads his defenders and scum reads his votes/those calling him scum. I don't really feel like putting up with his nonsence so vote stays till he outs his guilty or stops talking or admits to the gambit.

"I'm creating content to discuss and outting all the scum by them attacking me, so what I'm doing is pro-town"

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll be back later.

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not buying it.

VOTE: Guillotina

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guil, what was the EXACT NAME OF YOUR REAL ROLE

Who cares at this point?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nero...is town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is it possible the scum kill was randomized if no action was submitted?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is good for us and narrows down our scumpool actually.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hi Starbuck! Are you scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:

Try again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you get a cop on me as scum and decide to keep me alive for 2 real life weeks, guess what I'm gonna get replaced.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm just inherently skeptical of theories that posit additional killing roles when there's been one kill per night, and I can't decide if the weirdness of Nero's being that kill is enough evidence to overwhelm that skepticism.

Same, you said it perfectly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

3. how do they want to position around Nero and Guil, given that they know neither are scum?

That's the most pressing question - it was so chaotic, so insane, I would expect scum to "stay out of it" and let it play out.

Can you believe May and Non Imh are still in this game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game needs replacements badly. Half the game flaked or needs to catch up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So far my experience playing with town DGB is to just take her reads and flip them completely inside out and then they're accurate. Her reads are always so wrong when she's town and I've watched (particularly from the game I just modded) town!DGB be the scum MVP. I mean maybe it's just my limited experience with her but the scumhunting ability there is pretty twisted up from what I've seen and I'd be hesitant to follow her lead.

Step your game up DGB lmao

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod pls replace my scumbuddies ive been so lonely in mafia chat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is good for us and narrows down our scumpool actually.

Yeah I have to agree, assuming it WAS the scumkill. Unless scum had it in their head Nero fakeclaimed VT as a PR, scum had to feel pretty damn pressured by Nero, probably pointing to his suspect pool.

Gamma why am I getting a bad feeling from you? You were way more antagonistic to flipped town players than you are to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i think DGB has been fairly towny
she has this towntell where she's supremely confident and has a "you're wrong and i'm obviously correct" tone to her
believe it or not, she's more reasonable and less commanding as scum

I found it weird DGB didn't put a third vote on Nero when Guillotina claimed a guilty. She asked for more interactions. It seemed uncharacteristic for her and out of sync with the game flow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. what was scum thinking about this point?
2. how do they want to interact with the thread at this point?
3. how do they want to position around Nero and Guil, given that they know neither are scum?

Why should I have voted? The whole thing was really dodgy. I was puzzled, intrigued and exasperated at once.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

Non Imh and Starbuck if you don't post within 24h I am personally driving a bandwagon on one of you. And I plan on going all of the way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

how tf is non imh still in this game

my bad for that

[Albert B. Rampage]

lmao imagine them at f3, with essentially the same ISO

trigger warning pls

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Non Imh

[Albert B. Rampage]

i agree

[Albert B. Rampage]

not your fault, we need replacements to liven this game up. its been hard for morale.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why Non Imh over basically any other low content slot?

He's the worst offender imo. Let's see what Vaxkiller has to bring to the slot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Checking in. I have a work event this afternoon and into tonight and all day tomorrow. So I'll be able to do some reading come Sunday.

Anyone want to give me some cliffs notes?

muh got wagoned day 1, then Pretentous came in and tried a way-too early quickhammer and everyone jumped on him for that. On day 2 Guillotina came out and claimed a red check on Nero Cain, his claim was sketchy as hell so people voted him for it, he flipped town, then for some reason mafia shot the VT the claimed guilty was on. So basically it's been a series of gamethrows so far.

This is a decent summary of what's happened.