Large Normal 231 | Etymologies | Game Over

[Binatog13]

Hello guys. I am playing this large normal for experience. Wish me luck!

[Binatog13]

Ah the normal mini intro
VOTE: MiniMegabyte

[Binatog13]

This is my first normal large game. I might encounter new roles here. If I have questions about a particular role, can you answer it? Thanks! There is no role setup unlike in my Newbie game, so idk on how many town and mafia are in here.

Can I ask what a Miller is?

[Binatog13]

Miller gets a guily result from cops even though they are town.

Kinda bad I guess. It only helps the scum.

[Binatog13]

Its already many happened while im gone? lol I just random voted mini and then u guys have wagon on mini too

[Binatog13]

Its already many happened while im gone? lol I just random voted mini and then u guys have wagon on mini too

you're not unvoting so I guess you're fine with it?
any other thoughts, btw?

none so far. I just see a miller claim and some wagon and nothing more. And I am new at normal games so idk the roles that is in here. I'm gonna play support at this game.

[Binatog13]

I hope I can catch up soon

[Binatog13]

There are many too faces in here. I have only played with Mini, Gamma, and Norfolk. So idk the meta.

[Binatog13]

Idk the meta here.

[Binatog13]

I demand a mass claim for the express purposes of role fishing

I am not sure what this means but I think that mass claim is too early for day one. Day 2 or 3 is okay. And if you said that it is meant for your Scum PT, it might be you as scum trying to post to this game's Scum PT. It kind of pings me but let's see...

About the Miller claim on the first few pages of this thread, I don't know if they are real Miller. Other millers (if there is) would probably counter claim this one.

I have angleshooty reasons to think cheeky may be scum here. But they're angleshooty so I am waiting to see on cheeky.

Go shoot someone else's angles! Nah seriously, I'd like to hear this.

Vax, you voted me before I even entered, I smell bs.

You don't wanna be focused? That's a scum would do.

Meta is rubbish.

Consider it a blessing.

All your answers will be in this game.

I expect this as a learning experience.

[Binatog13]

Heya! Second game, first outta newbie queue, be easy.

First impressions, no looking back at posts, after one causal read-through:

BB {fake}claiming day1 is already the BB I know and love and this is literally my second game. A happy NAI from me. Enjoyed the interplay, but probably won’t read into too many of the reactions to it.

Except Mr. Ping pong paddle, I think that gleeful style might be what I want to be when I grow up. Game is hard, but should be fun.

EE stood out in my first readthrough. I’m impressed as hell that anyone could have a townlist that sized twenty pages into day1. On my re-read, I want to see how everyone else interacted with them. As it is, the high effort and some of the...reactionary responses? they offered might help me sort a little.

Gemma also stood out, maybe because of number of posts, maybe because of the “I don’t like how this day is going, I’m not able to play how I wanted” comment which I think is pretty much how I see their day. Maybe you said it and I missed it, but...how do you want to play? Is there a particular reason why BB being BB messes with that? Especially in a game of this size?

I barely remember the wagons. The new Joyed one came from nowhere as far as I could tell on a first read; I had DGR or DGB or whatever the acronym is as strange but not wagonworthy, and I’m sure there was someone else but clearly I didn’t credit that wagon enough to make note of it.

People I kinda liked on first read:
Titus, ping pong, Gamma, rainyCat, and I think Luca. I reserve the right to flip on all of these; this is one read through flash impressions.

Excited to play!

Don't worry, it's also my first game out of newbie games. I townleaning this post, at least for now.

My town reads: Gamma, Mini, Quiet, Norwegian, Norfolk, Luca Blight
NAI: BBmolia, Nomrangal, Titus
Scum read: DGB

Sorry for an incomplete list, I am still back reading posts.

UNVOTE:

[Binatog13]

I’m starting to understand Binatog’s posting pattern. The game can be hard to break into, and there’s lots of little threads that lead nowhere.

Quiet’s defense of mini by asking for references and notarized forms feels like sealioning.

I have only two Newbie games, first one being a town. This is my third game btw in history, so forgive me if you have nothing to read me.

[Binatog13]

silence scum

Idk if this is an alt of Not_Mafia or just the profile pic. Lol

[Binatog13]

U'd be mad too if every game with him he pushes your slot for shit reasons and makes town lose the game and he doesn't even feel bad about it.

I'm not Not_Mafia.

Where is your Jester post?

[Binatog13]

Is it normal to claim in this early phase of day 1?

[Binatog13]

Ok.
Go for it.
Shoot someone.
#Yolo

Yeet

[Binatog13]

Its D1?

yes

[Binatog13]

I don’t think the barrier was quite as extreme as you are making it sound. The argument I made is one that really only works on myself. If people say that this is how scum play, that they have played this way while scum, I’ll believe them. I’d still like to see an example of it, not as a barrier to a mini vote, but because I want to be able to recognize it in the future. There’s twenty people in this thread, I don’t think asking if someone could point me towards something I could use to get better (especially if it’s as wildly common as people are saying it is) is all that egregious.

Entitled, maybe, but hey I’m a lawyer now. It’s gone to my head.

Quiet, Norway and Mini were scum together in Newbie 2037. Good game, that.

Can u tell me Mini scum meta?

[Binatog13]

I guess that probably sufficient proof that Bypasser Catcher and Not_Mafia are not the same player?

I guess so.

I’m hard locking Binatog as Town.

What makes you say that I'm town early in the game?

These are my reads right now.

Town

- Nero Cain
- Titus
- Vaxkiller
- DrippingGoofball
- Momrangal
- quiet
- Bypasser Catcher
- Luca Blight
- Norfolk Boy1
- Gamma Emerald
- BBMolla
- chkflip
- Andresvmb

Suspicious

- MiniMegabyte
- Rannygazoo
- Binatog13

Scummy

- CheekyTeeky
- PlusJOYED
- Hayker

I might be suspicious but I am town.

Right now I think my top 3 gun to head maf reads would be quiet, chk, and Norwegianboy. I still haven't read much of what happened before I replaced in.

Why norwegian would be Mafia?

[Binatog13]

I guess that probably sufficient proof that Bypasser Catcher and Not_Mafia are not the same player?

I guess so.

I’m hard locking Binatog as Town.

What makes you say that I'm town early in the game?

These are my reads right now.

Town

- Nero Cain
- Titus
- Vaxkiller
- DrippingGoofball
- Momrangal
- quiet
- Bypasser Catcher
- Luca Blight
- Norfolk Boy1
- Gamma Emerald
- BBMolla
- chkflip
- Andresvmb

Suspicious

- MiniMegabyte
- Rannygazoo
- Binatog13

Scummy

- CheekyTeeky
- PlusJOYED
- Hayker

I might be suspicious but I am town.

Right now I think my top 3 gun to head maf reads would be quiet, chk, and Norwegianboy. I still haven't read much of what happened before I replaced in.

Why norwegian would be Mafia?

well norwegian is not Not_Mafia
but really that was my gut read at the time based on the posts i read. i still havent even read the game and am basing all my reads based on brief skim of recent content and ITI

Im not talking about norwegian as Not_Mafia
I was talking about you as alt of Not_Mafia because of posts and especially the profile pic

[Binatog13]

I am thinking about Not_Mafia. They are trolling. My first game with them is they were scum.
They have also had many claims, from being a daymod to being even night neighborizer (idk what the role does). Then suddenly posts spam (scummy) posts.
Also their first read on me as top of the townread is pretty sus, I am being suspicioned by many people yet NM still had my name on top of the townread? Thats pretty sus.

[Binatog13]

I am thinking about Not_Mafia. They are trolling. My first game with them is they were scum.
They have also had many claims, from being a daymod to being even night neighborizer (idk what the role does). Then suddenly posts spam (scummy) posts.
Also their first read on me as top of the townread is pretty sus, I am being suspicioned by many people yet NM still had my name on top of the townread? Thats pretty sus.

You think NM is choosing you to pocket?

Yeah. I think they made that to let the town think that I am scum with them.

[Binatog13]

VOTE: Not_Mafia one of my scum reads

[Binatog13]

Not_Mafia, how do you do the rainbow colors in your posts? I must know. Is there a github?

I tried to quote them and saw too many color tags. I think there is a faster way to do that.

[Binatog13]

vc asap, only just woke up so apologies for any errors

this is a scumclaim

Indeed, a scumclaim indeed.
v0t3: M1zzYT45T1C

[Binatog13]

like idk, the wagon on me is p silly. Like I wanted to just relax and watch football this weekend and then as soon as I get back norway accuses me of lurking and being disinterested and playing to my scum meta. Dumb votes from Gamma and CHK. quiet, Bypasser Catcher, Luca Blight is where I expect to find scum.

Had also felt like Mom's accusation was pretty bad. Like why is thinking about why things are happening scummy?

I don't think Gamma or Quiet would be scum. They are trying to solve the game.

[Binatog13]

VC on nero anyone? I might vote him.

[Binatog13]

Nvm Im blind
VOTE: Nero Cain E-2

[Binatog13]

I don't understand the Town Role Watcher. Is it like the same as the ordinary watcher?

[Binatog13]

Unfortunate.

Read through Mini’s posts just now, but didn’t see any breadcrumbs even in retrospect or tells that could tip of that they were a PR. So I now have no idea why that kill happens. Maybe the whole “scum lurk” meta is kinda just not true.

Of the three people Andre sussed on the Nero wagon, I think I look the worst. I think the reasoning that BC gave on himself (“why would I burn all my towncred day1 pushing town as visibly as I did”) also holds for Luca to some degree. Seems to me scum would just hop on for light reasons, vote quietly, or say “I don’t know about this but whatever”, not be the face of the miselim. I think I fall into that same category, more than those other two.

As I said yesterday, my reason for jumping on the Nero wagon was light, but when I came back and saw the E-3 claim of tracker and the vitriolic pushback, I became very happy with my vote. I didn’t buy the claim for a second; that sealed the deal for me. Unfortunate that it was wrong. Apparently VT frustrated fakeclaims are a thing.

I also didn't see a crumb of Mini, I just didn't expect she would be killed N1.

I don't understand the Town Role Watcher. Is it like the same as the ordinary watcher?

oh i know about this role, quite embarassing actually as ive been caught by this very role as scum!

its like watcher, but instead of telling you the name of the palyer who visited, you get the name of the ROLE that visited.

So is this role a nerfed watcher or buffed?

[Binatog13]

well its good if u catch someone whos fakeclaiming a role LOOOL

Nice to know this, thanks! I am currently exploring some roles here, so I'm glad I have this info.

[Binatog13]

now many votes on NB?

[Binatog13]

how*

[Binatog13]

Intent to hammer on Norfolk

Can you please claim?

[Binatog13]

You know, we must find mafia this day, and I've suspecting NM for fake claiming.

[Binatog13]

I'm actually an Odd Night Loyal Checker, my action on Norfolk last night failed

I'm town, someone interfered with my result

How many times will you fake claim a PR? First neighborizer. Then tracker. Now checker? (Idk if that role really exists).
Suspicious. Very sus.

[Binatog13]

Can I ask a question? Is Rolecop mafia or can be town too? Thanks!

[Binatog13]

VOTE: Norwegian

Looks suspicious. Norwegian is town. (Unless my definition about a role is wrong).

[Binatog13]

Don't worry MathBlade. I might not read the game well but I am supporting you.

[Binatog13]

His posts are towny for me. Aside from that, that probably fits my read and actions. I'll post my gathered info if you want, but this might be beneficial to scum.

[Binatog13]

His posts are towny for me. Aside from that, that probably fits my read and actions. I'll post my gathered info if you want, but this might be beneficial to scum.

You seemed to be claiming a mechanical result. That’s why I wanted clarification. If it’s entirely reads based, then no I’m not particularly interested in following though helping explain where you’re coming from could be helpful to others.

That's why I am asking some possible alignment from a role. I'll post my logs if you want. It might be too early, but it helps both teams I guess.

[Binatog13]

His posts are towny for me. Aside from that, that probably fits my read and actions. I'll post my gathered info if you want, but this might be beneficial to scum.

You seemed to be claiming a mechanical result. That’s why I wanted clarification. If it’s entirely reads based, then no I’m not particularly interested in following though helping explain where you’re coming from could be helpful to others.

That's why I am asking some possible alignment from a role. I'll post my logs if you want. It might be too early, but it helps both teams I guess.

If you have identified Norwegian as a Role Cop, which is what you seem to be suggesting, then you should state it clearly.

It's not like that. It's like

[Player] was visited by this role.

Get it?

[Binatog13]

Why is Momrangal Town? Please elaborate.

I can semi-confirm that Momrangal is town (for now). But there is also possibility that they are scum too, but high chance of being town, although I don't like their read on Norwegian as scum.

Spoiler: Nothing

Momrangal was visited by a Rolecop (Night 3). I know that Town Role Watcher died, this might make me suspicious after all. This reveals my role after all. For me, this is the right time to claim my role for potential early game solve.

Spoiler: Town!Norwegian

He is trying to solve the game. For me, his reads are accurate. Norwegian was visited by Lazy Roleblocker (Night 2).

I can also say that Gamma is town due to his current reads rn.

[Binatog13]

The scum team might be Bbmolla, Plusjoyed, and Titus, with 4 scum team instead of 5. DGB is now null for me.

[Binatog13]

Town watcher, a second town watcher, a town protect, a town lazy RB....

We think the fifth? (Do we even get five?) PR for town is another investigative? Gut feel, especially given the very neat murders of some town PRs, it’s a mafia role. I’m pretty inclined to clear Momrangal here, and Bino too.

Someone tell me if this is trash logic, but I’m very down for town to claim Rolecop here, as I don’t find it very likely to happen.

An odd town rolestopper has died, I don't think lazy = odd night.

[Binatog13]

Idk how to even process this right now. I had to search and find what lazy meant, that's a first for me. But like... that's the same role. There were 2 voyeurs!?

I am the confusion.

Role Watcher (fucking voyeur)
Odd Rolestop (doc variant?)
These are the pr flips

We now "know" (?) from someone claiming the same role as Math there's a Lazy Roleblocker and a Role Cop. Lazy implicitly means town from what I read?

Lazy Roleblocker has this description.

presenting something as mod communication, real or fake, is not permitted - Mizzymod

So I am thinking this role is mafia.

[Binatog13]

It's saying that the action fails if there is one scum left.

So it can only be town, and the "lazy" part prevents the roleblocker from blocking the night kill in end game.

Hmm, I am sorry lol so I might change my current reads. Rolecop as scum has still a high chance.

[Binatog13]

It's saying that the action fails if there is one scum left.

So it can only be town, and the "lazy" part prevents the roleblocker from blocking the night kill in end game.

Hmm, I am sorry lol so I might change my current reads. Rolecop as scum has still a high chance.

[Binatog13]

Gamma is asking me what were my first night action. The point is I did nothing first night, which is kinda suspicious.

[Binatog13]

I'll wait for vc then vote if I can. I dont want to yeet so fast.

[Binatog13]

Is plusjoyed E-1?

[Binatog13]

Intent to hammer

Please claim, thanks

[Binatog13]

VOTE: PlusJoyed

[Binatog13]

I didn't die, something's wrong here

[Binatog13]

I didn't die, something's wrong here

Did you get a result tonight btw?

No one on Gamma

[Binatog13]

If Norwegian is scum, they deserve the win.
VOTE: Titus

[Binatog13]

My head is a bit mushy from all this new information so i’m going to see if this will help me make more sense of it.

Confirmed PR:

Town Role Watcher

Town Odd Night Rolestopper

Town Novice Combined Tracker Doctor

Claimed PR:

Town Voyeur

Town (? modifier) Vanilla Cop

Town Lazy Roleblocker

VS

Mafia 1-shot strongman

Mafia Rolecop?

It's confirmed mafia rolecop. How would they know Quiet was PR? Ofc they checked them. Plus if they didn't have a rolecop, I would have died before Quiet due to my early claim.

I think it makes more sense to leave town PR claims alive for today instead of playing like a dumb and executing our town power in this crucial moment.

Leave alive:

Norwee
Luca Blight - Town by play.
Gamma Emerald - Town by play
DrippingGoofball - Town PR and town by play
Andresvmb - Town by play
Momrangal - Cleared town and town by play.
Binatog13 Town PR and town by play.


Hence, THIS should be our PoE today. Not in Chkflip/DGB.

Titus
Vaxkiller
BBMolla
chkflip
Hayker

I agree with this list.

[Binatog13]

This game is so demotivating when scum are clearly running the show here. At least if I get limmed, I can laugh from dead chat.

What's your updated reads then? Before you will be flipped this day?

[Binatog13]

VOTE: titus

She's either scum here, or someone who's going to lose eylo for us sooo

Chekflip is the scum rolecop and we need to yeet it.

Can you please elaborate why chkflip is scum rolecop and not Titus?

[Binatog13]

I thought I am dead. But it seems that they killed lazy first.
Question: can maf role cop check fellow maf?

[Binatog13]

I thought I am dead. But it seems that they killed lazy first.
Question: can maf role cop check fellow maf?

They can but i don't think it's very likely unless they were absolutely sure all town PR's are accounted for.

And how did scum rolecop died?

[Binatog13]

So should I say my info or let someone claim first?

[Binatog13]

I'll wait then, even if one of you mentioned is clear.

[Binatog13]

I'm starting to doubt, coz norwee said rolecop can check fellow maf, but I don't think that would be the case

[Binatog13]

No

[Binatog13]

VOTE: Vax
Probably scum and high chance of scum
Last VC, they voted momrangal.

Yes one of them norwee.

[Binatog13]

Summary of my night actions as

Town Role Watcher the 2nd

N1 - None ---->

suspicion arises, why didn't I checked someone?

N2 - Norwegian was visited by DGB (Lazy RB)
N3 - Momrangal was visited by Chkflip (Scum rolecop)
N4 - Gamma - no one
N5 -

won't reveal yet, I want claims

Sorry Norfolk for betraying you earlier.
Scum keeps me alive, I was expecting death last night.

[Binatog13]

I guess mass claim. I think this is the right time.

[Binatog13]

I think Binatog should out their result

I'm guessing Binatog target Andresvmb.
Please confirm it though.

Sure, here we go.
Andres claimed VT right? Well I can confirm them. Andres was visited by rolecop (chkflip probably).

[Binatog13]

Unless you guys think that SK is in game. Eh idk the third party thingy, I just know town and mafia and not third party.

[Binatog13]

Well that’s somewhat freeing I guess. I just don’t get why the Scum would bother with that. And why did you figure to visit me Binatog? It’s not like I’ve played particularly well here - so why did you think I would get visited at all?

I watch people who is unconfirmed, so I can confirm them. If I get a no one result, they may be scum or scum knows that they are VT. I would want to be unpredictable after all.

[Binatog13]

I think Binatog should out their result

I'm guessing Binatog target Andresvmb.
Please confirm it though.

Sure, here we go.
Andres claimed VT right? Well I can confirm them. Andres was visited by rolecop (chkflip probably).

Mafia can target their partners technically

I’m not pushing that but Andres isn’t clear

I asked norwee and said mafia can visit their partners. But the logic is, how would mafia know that I would tracked Andres?

[Binatog13]

I didn't crumb my target in a way.

[Binatog13]

But as I said earlier, if Norwee would be a scum, they played well and deserve a win because of destruction of town by elimining innocent members.

[Binatog13]

[quote="

Official Votecount 6.2

Vaxkiller (3): Binatog13, NorwegianboyEE, Gamma Emerald

[E-2]

NorwegianboyEE (3): Hayker, BBMolla, Vaxkiller

[E-2]

Not Voting (3): Momrangal, Luca Blight, Andresvmb

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2021-02-07 09:50:00).

This VCA concludes that there are 3 scum remaining, total of 5 scum team. Game solved. Vote vax, guys.

[Binatog13]

I was rooting at Norwee at the end, my PoE changed when I died

[Binatog13]

Yeah, and I want to see rolecop SK tho.