Mafia 80: Nice Shot! Mafia. Game over, results at 1381

[populartajo]

Vote : Anatole.

This is random. Maybe not.

[populartajo]

I dont get this game. I require replacement.
Wait a second.
Best random stage, I guess. I should stay.
Are we all making it out?
Enough.
Also can anyone tell me when the random stage will be over?
VC, please.

[populartajo]

Have you seen anything potentially scummy so far?

Besides some random votes, no, but Ive noted some things that could require further explanation. Things get harder becuase I dont know who is and who isnt fucking serious. But

So, do we know any information as of yet?

Short posts, probably avoiding the crazyness of the random stage. Right?
Voting for him: Elvis, Chaosomega,

How would you guys feel about putting everyone, one-by-one, at L-2 for the purpose of info gathering? It might end the random chat faster.

Im in another game with him and I he seems very conservative about the way people suspect each other, so It makes me wonder. However this could still be an attempt to get this game serious.

After we lynch musher, goborage is next.

Could be scum taking advantage of the "scumyness" of some players. I think he should explain more.

That post is made on the assumption of a cop presence, btw, for arguments sake.

Damage control?
Also, can anyone explain me why are we bandwagoning CKD?

[populartajo]

How are my nice townie friends doing?

I dont like this kind of jokes, for the record.

[populartajo]

Hi.

Look how long his name is. It's just unnatural.

Random useless comment number 1

I find this plan very scummy. A townie wouldn't make any assumptions about a second lynch until he finds out the alignment of the first. You could just be joking here. You could not. I can't tell for sure, but it's definitely enough for me to change my vote.

This is true. But Im keeping my vote.

Do you mean I am wrong to point out other people's scummyness?
Either I am right to point out their scummyness, or I am wrong because they are no really scummy.
But if you accept that they are scummy, how can I be wrong to point it out?

I meant that townies can also act scummy or seem scummy to other's eyes. Im not saying these guys are townies but your reactions to them seemed to me like catching these details and exagerating them at some point and you keep doing it.

Even if I were scum, that makes no sense. What exactly would I be communicating to scumbuddies? Why would I need to communicate during the day? Why couldn't it wait for night? Scum can talk at night. That's enough for them. They don't need to have secret ways of talking during the day.

I agree with this. But, Musher is a relative newbie, right? So, can we expect some weak accusations from his side?

Thus you were role fishing.
Thus you are scum.
Thus we need to lynch you.

This is some strong accusation, for the record.

Only if it gives away infomation not already come to light in said game, I think. Other than that I think it's ok to use things from ongoing games.

I think so too. Has Xtoxm done any scumhuntig?

Wow he cut out the reason why that Elvis point out. If you want to see why he is voting you look at the whole quote.
I'm starting to think this is the right lynch.

Noted.

If you're asking what vigs and RBs are (I hope not since it's in the newbie guides): vigilantes which use nightkills and roleblockers who can stop people from using powers as a night action. If they're in the game, they're weapons we can use to stop scum.

Not so random, but still useless comment number 2. Also, I had to search some articles to fin about Vigs and RB when I was a newbie, are they in the newbie guides?

I might switch to musher if he doesn't get more appealing soon.

Nice, join the wagon. Reason?

Also.. Although I know Day one is important. . . it always annoys me to have a super long day 1, and then screw up and lynch a townie. But it seems like it always happens anyway, so what can we really lose?

I also think about this frustration but please if you think we're lynching a townie why dont you come up with your analysis of the game rather than joining the bandwagon?

But he really set off my alarm by not caring about his own death. This is either indifference as town, or WIFOM as scum. After that post, I gladly put mush at L-2.

Im sincerely thinking its more probable a frustrated townie. This guy even realizes this could be a possibility, but he puts Musher at L-2. Scum?

FoS : Rice.

Also, Ive noted the lack of BM lately. Any reason for that?
Was Coron in this game?

[populartajo]

ChaosOmega, do you usually play D1?

[populartajo]

The rate at which this game is going is simply amazing. Im used to slower, shorter and "more sense" games. I always like to quote things but there are so many things here that somehow I feel bad posting my usual analysis, thinking that I may have slipped something.
Maybe Ill try a decent reread when I have more time, but for now:
Thoughts:
I still dont like Anatole. Too much random comments. Doesnt feel like a noob. Almost zero scumhunting.

unvote
After rereading, it really doesn't have any basis.

Now, ChaosOmega, he still hasnt answered my question so I dont know if he usually plays D1 or has random problems in RL. Some active lurking in his barely 4 posts. Jumping in some already formed bandwagons.

unvote, vote Musher333
What do you mean by information?

unvote, vote Riceballtail
Why did you think Musher333 should go to L-2 on page 8?

Happy Birthday, BTW.
Camn and Xtom seem to love lurker bandwagons. Noting this. I am simply against bandwagoning lurkers.
We should

prod them : Coron, MME, and some Im prob forgetting.

[populartajo]

Farside has also forgotten about this game. Her last post was a vote for Musher.
Rereading some posts, I think Musher feels like a sincere newbie.
Im liking Goborage, BM. Nice logic usually.
Im disliking Elvis, Rice CKD. Jumping too much agains the newbie for my taste.
Sierra also seems to love lurker bandwagons.
Keeping my vote for now.

[populartajo]

I think that's really stupid.

It's stupid to bandwagon someone because he hasnt posted, he could be a townie. Dont you suspect anyone? Are you unable to bandwagon someone for his scumyness?

[populartajo]

Lurking is very scummy.

So do you think that this game has like 1000 scum?

[populartajo]

*Sigh* looks like time for a claim, this may sound like a bit of a naff claim but i am actually just a plain ol' townie.
Happy now?

Opinion. Sincerely feels more like a frustrated townie than a "newbie" scum. Specially thx to the "happy now"?

Populartajo - post 41. Odd statement. Post 202 oviously not paying attention. Calling BM out for lack of posting?

I was paying attention. It felt strange that BM, a vocal player, would have at least something to say at that moment about Musher. He didnt.
Now.
Why did camn go back to Musher? I think he believed he was a newbie. Just for the love of the claim?
Still disliking Rice. Anatole still seems fishy for his random play before he started to post. Idk yet

Unvote

for now
Not so fan of Coron and ChaosOmega lurking.
Bleh, there are so many players to post decently.

[populartajo]

Hi.
Amused at the nice off topic conversation here.
This day is getting bored, really.

Unvote

Vote : Riceball

Too tired to post reasons. Tomorrow.

[populartajo]

My problem is that you are asking us to get back on topic while contributing absolutely nothing and not helping us get back on topic.

vote musher

Wouldnt scum exactly try to get back on topic or not post at all?

[populartajo]

My problem is that you are asking us to get back on topic while contributing absolutely nothing and not helping us get back on topic.

vote musher

Wouldnt scum exactly try to get back on topic or not post at all?

Why would scum try to get back on topic? there is a deadline so they wouldn't try and bring it back on topic when they can waste more time.

It's the attempt to look like he's getting us back on topic while not actually doing it.

It's like "hey, guys, start fighting with each other again so I can sit back here and watch."

Ok. But wouldnt scum avoid to post things like that? Wouldnt a clueless townie ask the same thing? My point is why he gets a vote for that?

Weren't you going to post your reasons for voting Riceballtail today?

Im busy. You're voting for him, right? Why dont you start?

[populartajo]

caught up on the thread from this weekend.

BM, stated the only thing I really wanted to comment on...so I (ugh) agree with BM on this one.

opportunistic vote on the largest wagon aside from his own ^

Rice points out 4-6 people he finds fishy...does he push a case?..no, does he explain why?..no...does he really do anything that is pro town?..no..

unvote, vote Rice

Do you realize its kinda difficult to push a case with so many players and so many pages? Anyways, I still find Rice the scummier and I agree his vote feels silly. Rice, why did you vote for Musher?

[populartajo]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

But you love bandwagons. I dont know why I agree with you, though. His last vote feels sillier than scummy and he has explained in a somehow decent and semifrustrated way. Suspecting his voters isnt compatible with a calculating scum that could have simply made a good case against Musher.

[populartajo]

Thx. I Unvoted in another game and thought I had done it here.

Unvote

Not fan of Musher's wagon also, but why would he unvote in this exact moment?

[populartajo]

How newbie do you think he is?

[populartajo]

caught up on the thread from this weekend.

BM, stated the only thing I really wanted to comment on...so I (ugh) agree with BM on this one.

opportunistic vote on the largest wagon aside from his own ^

Rice points out 4-6 people he finds fishy...does he push a case?..no, does he explain why?..no...does he really do anything that is pro town?..no..

unvote, vote Rice

Do you realize its kinda difficult to push a case with so many players and so many pages? Anyways, I still find Rice the scummier and I agree his vote feels silly. Rice, why did you vote for Musher?

this is an interesting post....noted

What do you mean?

[populartajo]

Not a fan of this RBT wagon.

[sarcasm]Good posting[/sarcasm]

You imply this is poor posting. Why? I believe the opposite.

Why dont you like this wagon?

[populartajo]

caught up on the thread from this weekend.

BM, stated the only thing I really wanted to comment on...so I (ugh) agree with BM on this one.

opportunistic vote on the largest wagon aside from his own ^

Rice points out 4-6 people he finds fishy...does he push a case?..no, does he explain why?..no...does he really do anything that is pro town?..no..

unvote, vote Rice

Do you realize its kinda difficult to push a case with so many players and so many pages? Anyways, I still find Rice the scummier and I agree his vote feels silly. Rice, why did you vote for Musher?

this is an interesting post....noted

What do you mean?

I found it interesting that you sort of defend Rice in your post. I didnt say he had to push a case for every individual he listed as fishy...I would however, like a reason. He is casting a wide net and I want to know why. What I found "interesting" was your motivation behind posting that first sentence "do you realize...."

it really means little now, but might later..that is why it is "noted"

Are you linking me with Rice? If you read my posts (look there arent many) you'll realize two things. 1)He has been my top suspect for almost all D1. 2) Im having the same problems he seems to have. "Its almost impossible to make a decent post about everyone in this game" So here you have your "motivation". Bleh.
His wide net seems slightly protown to me. Suspecting his attackers instead of making a decent case against Musher (it isnt too hard) dont seem compatible to me.
About you. Your "noted" post was sincerely silly. Scummy? I dont know yet. This same decent explanation would have been enough. Why did you feel it was necessary to post "noted" at that exact moment?

[populartajo]

The problem is if Xtom is always that quiet. To the more experienced here, why did he try to stop the wagon posting only "I dont like this wagon"? Is he always that quiet?
At least, in this game his posts were pretty short. Does he usually explain?
No lynch is a bad idea. Im still neutral about Rice.

Vote : Musher.

[populartajo]

Deadline looms.

This is my unofficial count:

RBT - 3 - ChaosOmega, Goborage, CKD
Musher - 5 - xtoxm, My Milk Eeked, Camn, RBT, Sierra
Goborage - 1 - anatole (who voted xtoxm without unvoting so I'm keeping on gob)
Camn - 1 - coron
Farside - 3 - BM, Elvis, musher
xtoxm - 1- farside

9 to lynch...

So I'm gonna put my vote on musher now to put him at 6.

unvote; vote musher

I think i'd rather risk a No-Lynch today than back down from the two obvious plays. I wont be switching my vote to Musher.

BM

Agree with No Lynch? Really?
About Xtoxm I read a game about him where he hammered himself as a townie. BM, have you played with him as scum?

[populartajo]

Nice talking you two there. That means we have at least one scum between Xtoxm and BM. Unless BM is joking again but I sincerely doubt it. For the moment, doc, if you exist, protect him.
Right now, Im believe in BM's claim. There's no way that he as scum, could have claimed as a way to get rid of Xtoxm. In fact, claiming cop with a guiklty result is pretty stupid as scum.
Where's our mod?
Musher last words dont feel as scum to me.
Just in case.

Unvote. Vote : Xtoxm.

[populartajo]

I dont see the part where you explain that you are scum killing Xtoxm to come up with this shit today.
You like to call people retarded. Guess what. That claim was a retarded move that killed our doc, misdirected some night actions and is about to lynch you.
Now you say that there are scum in your wagon. WTF? Decent townies were obviously going to be in your ass. Scum doesnt need to press your case. That logic is dumb. Really.
Tell me, BM what would have happened if Xtoxm were alive today? Would you still be the cop or would you tell him well I joked about you because I thought you were scum or would you have pushed his lynch just to save your coward ass?
Nice try, BM. And yes Im pissed.

Vote : BM

L1 BTW.

[populartajo]

lol true.

But I'm still in doubt about one thing. You mentioned you didn't like your role (cf. 693). Then why not get replaced?

Making the Mod replace every vanilla who wanted a power role is a really selfish bastardly attitude. I'm simply doing the best i can with the role i have.

BM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Im keeping my vote. If BM is town then I know who I want lynched tomorrow.
What about a compulsive vig, a newbie one that believed you, BM?

[populartajo]

BM your title makes totally sense now.
Hey did anyone thank you for killing our doc?
Claiming vanilla is slightly protown and almost confirms you but let's see some things before.
Rereading and still keeping my vote until you can answer these questions.
1. Why was Xtoxm scum in your book? And I want a decent answer not related to meta.
2. Who killed Xtoxm?
3. You said you wanted to be NKed? Why did you claim cop and why did you ask for doc protection? Did you sincerely think you were going to be NKed?
4. Was it your gambit a coward maneuver to stay in the game?
5. Why do you say your gambit was protown?
6. Who is scum now and why?

[populartajo]

BM, fosing everyone who argues with you is looking a little defensive.

I agree about springlullaby though. Why did she start talking about SK and calling you SK? I find mafia much more interested in finding SK's. Also find SK's more interested in calling other people SK's.

unvote; vote springlullaby

People should read before they naturally assume OMGUS. Tajo was being utterly nonsensical, and it was clear that he had slipped. hence my FoS was more than justified.

BM

Maybe you shouldnt post here when you're drunk. Sober up and give this some thought. Then UnFoS accordingly. A player who claims vanilla townie isnt able to claim other role, lets say at the final stages of the game, knowing the big array of possible roles in this setup. That makes that player sligthly confirmed as a vanilla townie, unless BM is lying us again.
Well, BM if your intention was to mess with town then congrats. You have to realize that everyone voting for you ISNT scum.
Bleh, Ill need to reread but thanks to you this game isnt making much sense. I'll bring decent cases later.

[populartajo]

Still rereading. This game has a lot of crap in it.
BM, just to finish this topic, could you explain in 2-3 lignes what exactly did you try to do yesterday's twlight?

[populartajo]

Still rereading. This game has a lot of crap in it.
BM, just to finish this topic, could you explain in 2-3 lignes what exactly did you try to do yesterday's twlight?

Discuss.

[populartajo]

RL issues, will post ASAP. Posting this in all my games.2

[populartajo]

Hi, I was proded. I should reread.

[populartajo]

Rereading quick the only thing Im sure is that CKD isnt probable scum since spriglullaby voted for him D1. The same with Sierra. Can someone explain me (specially the already voters) whats the case against him?

[populartajo]

Rereading quick the only thing Im sure is that CKD isnt probable scum since spriglullaby voted for him D1. The same with Sierra. Can someone explain me (specially the already voters) whats the case against him?

you've never heard of the term 'distancing'?

BM

With these many players and in D1 I dont find much impossible that a scum had decided to bus his partner.

[populartajo]

Day 1 in any game bussing for scum is not unheard of.

I love to reduce the possibilities of finding scum.
I owe this game a big reread. Ill catch up soon I promise.

[populartajo]

Sierra is town. BMII also feels town. Gobo also feels town.
I can see Rice as scum.
Wow, nice reread.

[populartajo]

Sierra is town. BMII also feels town. Gobo also feels town.
I can see Rice as scum.

I agree with this statement....Pop, why do you feel that Rice could be scum?

For the fact that I cant see Gobo as scum jumping so many times against the same player. Rice answer is to OMGUS him. Possible scum here.

[populartajo]

Alabaska.... again?

[populartajo]

Vote: CKD.

Reasons, later.

[populartajo]

Its pretty much obvious that there is a scum betwenn CKD and camn. Im picking CKD for obvious reasons.
I feel Alabaska is town.

[populartajo]

no kills last night? no vig/sk? no Mafia? no nothing...

farside any reason you choice to attack Sierra? the deadline was approaching...Sierra had said he was going to hammer, no sure I understand your post before the lynch.

going to reread yesterday...

+1 scum point for.............
"going to reread yesterday" and no comments after all. Only rereads camn. What else did you find on your reread CKD?

are you role fishing camn?

What kind of townie asks this question? I mean, whats the point?
And I sincerely think that Rice is very sincere with his attacks. The N0 situation is also interesting to notice. Anyways if CKD flips up town we lynch Rice tomorrow.
Kay?

[populartajo]

Ok. Im curently rereading the thread and Im in page 16.
I still think that we need to lycnh CKD. If for some reason, he comes up town, which I doubt, then camn becomes a good choice.
Anatole, now Alabaska, still is suspicious for some noncomittal comments at the beginning of the day.

Unvote Vote : CKD

BTW, Im 100% sure Sierra is town and maybe Gobo if he hadnt suggested that "massclaim" at the beginning of the game. His attacks against Rice and Musher are aso noted but his overall posting is good.
Neutral about farside. Ill possibly need to reread her after I finish the thread.
No information of Coron, now K7 and BMII.

Prod them when you have the time, Adel.

[populartajo]

Judging by the night results I think scum killed Sierra and he killed farside. That means we probably have two scum left to lynch.
While Im rereading,

Vote: Alabaska J.

I remember him trying to deflect the attention of the CKD wagon.

[populartajo]

Yep, its here.

FoS: CKD

I'm leaning on camn side in this one. RB'ing BM night one still isn't flying for me.

Pop has still not put forth reasons. If CKD turns up town, he is scummier to me than camn IMO.

Also, I am very interested in farside's case against Sierra

unvote, vote: Sierra

.

The ckd wagon has enough steam that I feel I need to put my vote elsewhere for the moment as today has been tunnel-visioned on two people and we need to expand our options. Don't really want a too quick day here people. I will put my vote on ckd if needed but I want to look into Sierra right now. My vote will also go back on pop if he acts up more.

[populartajo]

My only concern is that K7 is a very easy wagon at this point in the game.

Since I'm the one who bought him up as a suspect

yet

, are you saying you think I might be opportunistically jumping on an easy target? If not, what's the concern?

Bold is mine.
It's not an accusation, it's merely a possibility that i'm considering. I still think we should No-Lynch today.

BM

Errr, may be the fact that I havent slept in 2 days, but why should we vote No lynch if Ala is obvscum?

[populartajo]

Judging by the night results I think scum killed Sierra and he killed farside. That means we probably have two scum left to lynch.
While Im rereading,

Vote: Alabaska J.

I remember him trying to deflect the attention of the CKD wagon.

First I voted for you because of your lack of reason to jump on CKD.

I voted Sierra later so we didn't tunnel vision on two people all of day four and end up little out of it. Eventually I changed my mind and voted CKD. I was not trying to deflect attention the way you are implying.

I do not, however, think you are scum.

What? How can you vote for me and then think Im not scum...

About the no lynch thing, yep, I think its pretty safe to think that we only have two scum left and that the other NK was caused by Sierra the compulsive vig. I hadnt realized we had only 6 players alive.
But what about if scum refuses to kill?

And I dont know why but something tells me I should reread both destructor and BM.

[populartajo]

Judging by the night results I think scum killed Sierra and he killed farside. That means we probably have two scum left to lynch.
While Im rereading,

Vote: Alabaska J.

I remember him trying to deflect the attention of the CKD wagon.

First I voted for you because of your lack of reason to jump on CKD.

I voted Sierra later so we didn't tunnel vision on two people all of day four and end up little out of it. Eventually I changed my mind and voted CKD. I was not trying to deflect attention the way you are implying.

I do not, however, think you are scum.

What? How can you vote for me and then think Im not scum...

When did Alabaska vote for you?

About the no lynch thing, yep, I think its pretty safe to think that we only have two scum left and that the other NK was caused by Sierra the compulsive vig. I hadnt realized we had only 6 players alive.
But what about if scum refuses to kill?

*facepalm*
Why would you even say this?? 0.o

BM

Ive been in the same situation before. All this no-lynch no-NK situations lead to WIFOM or unnecessary stalling of the game.
Also, it doesnt mean we cant scumhunt.

[populartajo]

Vote NoLynch

Though it is incredibly obvious that Destructor and Alabaska are the last scum.

Or BM is fooling me.

I agree with this line of thought. I dont want to vote no lynch yet until I give a proper reread of these two players.

[populartajo]

Destructor, just curious, where do you live?
And I think some players need prodding.

Prod:Alabaska, K7

[populartajo]

Can we lynch Alabaska or Destructor?
KTHXBY.

[populartajo]

pop, what is with you trying to lynch me in all of my games?

unvote, vote populartajo

His "reasons later" vote on ckd screams of a bus.

Lol. Seriously, you are scum in all my games, my friend.
You arent reading the thread, are you?

[populartajo]

As Ala's scumpartner shows, Ala is obv scum for thinking that Im scum, then town and the scum.

[populartajo]

So... is everyone following k7's example and deciding that lurking will lead them to a win?

I think K7 is town.
I think you and Ala are scum.

[populartajo]

camn, you're creating a trap. You're not only discouraging ME from changing my vote freely, but every other player in this game.

But in other news, you're on /ignore until you pull your head out of your arse. It's clear that you've made up your mind about me and aren't even beginning to consider that you could be wrong, so I'm not going to waste my time with you any more. And I say this is clear because you've pinned your entire case on one post I made that you think means I didn't read ckd's posts. You hypothesised that this was a scum-tell. Rather than testing this hypothesis, you've only been looking to prove it, that is, you've gone all tunnel-visioned. Saying things like "I would destroy you, but you haven't been in this game long enough to give me the ammunition," make this obvious enough.

I think K7 is town.
I think you and Ala are scum.

We've got a day before deadline, so answer these swiftly.

What has k7 done that makes him town? You've never indicated you thought this until now.

Why do you think I'm scum? You've explained your reasoning for Ala but haven't provided a single one for me.

1. Err, why arent you supporting Ala's lynch?
2. Why camn and me cant be scum?
3. Why did your predecessor attack hardly only townies?
4. Have you seen anything scummy besides K7's lurking?
5. Look at this

Anyways regarding BMI, I'm sticking with my unvote. Part of me wants to lynch him as a punitive measure for getting our cop killed and for lying to town. However the question that others have raised and I'd like to raise again is: "Is BMI arrogant enough to make a move like this as town?" It would take someone with an awfully big ego to assume that they'd be NK'd N1 and that their scum-sensors are good enough to lie to town. From BM's recent posts and from the reactions of others who have played with him I think the answer is yes.

And this

unvote
Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

why? this sentence:

...[re: BM] When YOU stated that you were trying to get NKed. Now you are saying you dont want to die. SO, are you back tracking or were you or were you not trying to "find scum" yesterday?

It is obvious that BM meant "get lynched" when he said 'die'. It is also obvious that not wanting to get lynched.. and wanting to get nk'd are pretty normal vanilla plays.
THUS you bringing this up is either pretty obtuse, or deceptive.
Now.. CKD, this might be my mistake. but I think you are pretty sharp.. thus playing this angle seems scummy to me. Unless you really think BM is playing differently now than day 1?

Do you?
Cuz I don't. Seems the same as ever to me. Just more defensive.

c

So you're saying that BM's goals were to not get lynched and to get NK'd? Why would BM be worried about getting lynched D1? He had nowhere near enough votes. If he wanted to get NK'd then why would he ask for doc protect? CKD raises a very valid question which BM seems to be dodging.

If he wanted to die, why did he ask for the Doc to protect him?

That is so easy.

What is better than drawing the Mafia's NK away from the power roles?

Blocking their NK!

Then they get to kill no-one!

Wouldn't it be a good play for the town if we could AVOID a NK altogether?

What are you talking about? BM is not drawing away scum NKs, he's directing them elsewhere, possibly onto actual power roles (thank goodness it was only a vanilla) by asking for a doc claim (very anti-town move if he really is town).

That is the only time gobo "mentions" CKD.

Ad. Where the hell is BM?

Prod Prod please.

There could be the tiny possibility of being wrong about destructor.

[populartajo]

Unvote.

Really worried about K7's last post. Will post somthng later.

[populartajo]

Vote: No lynch

[populartajo]

No harm in a No Lynch, but based on interaction, I can't see how Alabaska could be anything but scum right now.

Des, what do you think of K7's last post?

[populartajo]

I really don't know. His "fishing" comment was out of place. I don't know if it was a deflection or something more like a knee-jerk reaction. The knee-jerk reaction wouldn't make a heap of sense so, again, I don't know why he said it.

His comment about camn is definitely in conflict with what he said in the post I quoted, so far as I can tell, especially since he seemed to scold me for fishing about what camn was "getting at" and even said he would probably vote with her. I couldn't be bothered commenting on it before, but now that you've asked I guess I have.

I think k7's vote on Alabaska is a point in his favour at this point. I haven't ruled bussing out, but I can't really see k7 doing that in this situation. Also, like I said, based on interaction I don't think Ala can be town. I believe his buddy is one of k7 and BM. BM's lurked while k7 has at least posted and now voted for the player I think is most likely scum.

But for the sake of thoroughness...

k7, I wasn't fishing. The post of yours I quoted sounded vague and I wanted you to explain what you were thinking. I still don't see why you said it since camn's posts, for the most part, were frank and clear. I don't think she was hinting at anything more than what she said, like you seemed to think she was. Also, saying you're going to vote with someone (camn) then saying you're watching how they vote doesn't add up. Can you explain these?

Why didnt you write this before?

[populartajo]

I agree with an Alabaska lynch.

[populartajo]

I want to hear what des, BM and Ala himself have to say about this.
Camn, what do you think of K7's last post?

[populartajo]

I'm thinking camn tracked ckd to k7.

BMII

Korts gets my vote.

Vote: Korts

- L-2.

Korts, tell us what you're thinking.

Explain please.
Ill let Korts finish his reread so that he can realize that destructor is the only scum we need to lynch.
Id suggest reading specially the part where destructor replaces.

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Id suggest reading specially the part where destructor replaces.

What was scummy about that? Your case was gobo quotes, wasn't it? Are you sure you know why

you

think I'm scum?

Errr. You replaced Gobo, didnt you? I dont think allignment changes with replacements.
Waiting for Korts reread.

[populartajo]

I was pointing out that you told Korts to read the part where I replaced in, but you didn't even raise any of

my

play in the case you posted yesterday. Why would you tell Korts to read my (destructor's) contribution to the game, if you didn't reference any of it yourself?

I dont have to. You are basically doing the same thing you yesterday. Pick an easy case to save your ass. Instead ppushing a null case like K7 you are going now against BMII but you havent explained why.
If Korts defense doesnt satisfy me then Ill consider not thinking you are scum.

[populartajo]

While I'm reading up (I'm only at page 32, sorry, life's an ass) could someone point me to the case I'm being attacked for/with so I can maybe reply?

Ask destructor.

[populartajo]

Yep.
Des, why do you think Korts killed camn?

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And it's my cue to be all over pop for setting up next days' lynches. Post 1070, second part is a definite scumtell in my book.

Pop, please explain what your reasoning was. I'm going to assume you meant camn instead of Rice, but what made you convinced that camn was surely scum if CKD turned town?

I indeed meant camn.
The point is that it was pretty much a town vs scum battle.
And I dont believe you guys are thinking Im scum. I was in both Ala and CKD wagons when. And if you read well Korts, I even pushed Anatole's lynch (the guy who Ala replaced) in D1.
You havent read well, have you?

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There were fairly better ways to win this game as scum if you ask, Korts. I dont know if I should worry if destructor is agreeing with me.
Korts, how many scums do you think are left?

The town was pretty disorganized until the CKD-camn debate started. I agree there could have the possibility of town vs town but camn and CKD really were going against each other. You just know that there's one scum in a conversation when the debaters arent worried with the possibility of that other guy being town. You just want him to be lynched. Also there were minor factors as CKD's claim lacking night actions. Camn's reasoning also was a factor I took in account. It felt more sincere than CKD's.

So that we dont lose time in my case Ill

claim:hider

.
I hided N0, N1 behind My Milked Eek (BMII)
N2 I didnt hide
N3 I hided behind BMII
N4 I didnt hide
N5 I hided behind destructor.


Also destructor, why do you think Korts killed camn?

[populartajo]

Night actions.

[populartajo]

First 2 nights no action was used.
I replaced in and hid with springullaby then pop then destructer and last night korts.

Mmm, it makes sense with your breadcrumbing yesterday. Just curious, why did you pick those players?

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If you think Korts is scum then do you think he killed camn to bring suspicion to you? Also do you think he's scum pushing my lynch?

Also I think that the procedure here is to massclaim. I claimed so that we dont lose time in my case and concentrate in either Korts or you since I definetely think K7 is a hider also.

This was my first time as a hider but for N0 I guess I had to pick a player not very popular to avoid that "Ill kill that guy because he's very good at mafia" I played with My Milked Eek his first game not much ago so I think he was a good choice.

For the posterior nights I had to pick a player not very townish and also not very scummy. Since I didnt die D1 I knew MME wasnt scum or wasn't targeted for a NK. My Milked Eek, also a lurker, fit the criteria.

In N4 I choose not to hide because this was after the night were there were no NKs. I thought scum has targeted me and they knew that I was probably a hider so they would target another player. Finally I chose you becuase I feel that you're either scum or that you wouldnt be NKed.

Really wanting a Korts' analysis of the game. After a good reread, obv. Still aiming at a destructor lynch.

[populartajo]

Destructor claim please.
Also I didnt hide N2 because I forgot to send a night action. I dont remember why but when I checked my PMs looking for the date of that night I didnt find any directed to Adel.

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Couldn't you double check that with the mod?

I'm a Townie.

I could but I know I didnt send a night action N2 since I dont delete my PMs. Ill try anyways.
Hey what would happen in a potential 2 hiders and 1 scum situation?

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Wow destructor you just proved your opportunism with that post. Whats next? "Oh yeah, tajo is scummy as hell. I dont think he's town anymore"
What happened? Were youe xpecting Korts to attack you thast why you attacked him first? And now that he supports my lynch you're going to reread?

Vote:destructor

Die please.

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If anyone's being opportunistic, it's you. How can you even begin to suggest I'm exploiting this situation considering the fact that there are already three players who are willing to vote for me? You started this day encouraging Korts to finish his read and get me lynched. Why did you wait this long to vote for me if you were so sure then?

Not true. Didnt you just say that Korts wasn't pushing your lynch?
And I did say at the beginning of the day that I was aiming at your lynch. I didn vote early becuase
a)there could be the tiny possibiliy of Korts being scum.
b)I wanted to see how you would behave.
That last post was just impossible to ignore. Didnt you believe my claim? Why? Explain. Why not pushing Korts as you did at the beginning? Because he seems protown? Because he supports my lynch? Maybe?
And what do you need to reread about me? Ill let you bring a case. Good luck with that.

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Minimizing my case against you to an OMGUS is just ridiculous. Ive thought you're scum since yesterday and Ive explained why.
Kay destructor then who's scum?

[populartajo]

And I

have

been posting my case on BM but

no one

has responded to it. I've asked you and k7 to look at BM's play in the last two days and neither have apparently done so. I don't see why I should have to do more than that.

You

are all supposed to be scum-hunting too.

What do you think Im doing?

[populartajo]

I'll let Korts answer that.
But why am I scum?

[populartajo]

There's nothing for me to comment. Its just a business between you and Korts. Ill possibly comment when Korts finally gives an opinion of your attacks.
Also, good luck with that reread.

[populartajo]

I dont know if newbie games count but I was a roleblocker once there and I could block and kill the same night.

Adel should answers this question because the Mod in that game was very explicit about it.

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I don't know why BM did some things, either. My best guess would be that, considering his posting frequency at that time, he only had the spare time to skim, and couldn't provide a deeper contribution.

Pretty much what I was thinking. Also the game got a little bored when you and camn started to fill it with diverse acusations.
Des you have experience, do you think this setup needs a roleblocker to be balanced?
Im really waiting for that reread you know?

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Before anyone proposes that I could be scum.
a) I already claimed hider.
b) If I were scum I really made this game impossible for me to win. According to this assumption, I bused CKD, Alabaska, my scumpartners, and killed camn, the one who would have voted with me against destructor and end the game. Do you think this is possible?
c) This is pretty much between Korts and Destructor.

@des: My play as scum sucks.

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Happy to keep my vote on Korts.

I bet. Deadline's tomorrow and I want to save my ass and the town's basically, so I'm gonna vote you now. Your Day 4 behaviour makes sense as scum.

vote: destructor

Can you elaborate on that Day4 behavior?

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What is the plan for tonight POP?

(ps if you are scum im going to hate you.)

As I expected you are confirmed hider for not hammering and winning the game.
The plan is as follows:
Scenario 1
a) We lynch destructor and he comes up roleblocker.
b)We win

Scenario 2
a)We lynch destructor and he doesnt come up scum.
b) We lose because Korts is the roleblocker. He blocks and kills one of us. He endgames the other tomorrow..

Scenario 3
a)We no lynch
b1)Scum kills you or me and we're in the same situation tomorrow.

b2)Scum chooses not to kill and we live happy forever.

(Scum will pretty much kill you because you are confirmed)

It pretty much depends on who makes more sense as scum. I really think destructor is scum and he'll have to convince me hard in that reread to change my mind.

[populartajo]

So, who's scum: me or Korts?

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I think we've got about an hour, maybe a little more, before deadline. Any last minute vote changes need to happen now. I've pretty much said everything I can muster, so it's really in k7 and Tajo's hands.

I wont move my vot. K7 doesnt need to be here to hammer. So accept you are scum and hammer yourself. You played well but going against me was really a mistake.

[populartajo]

I guess that's it then. If Tajo's not going to move his vote I'm going to get lynched at deadline regardless of how k7 votes. =/

Yep. You did it well. You're really good at arguing though.

[populartajo]

Have you considered that my arguments are good because they're correct?

No.

[populartajo]

Because you're scum.

[populartajo]

Oh yeah?
Number of times goborage and Anatole are mentioned in springlullaby posts --> 0
Number of times goborage and Anatole are mentioned in CKD's posts --> 2
Even though they were suspected at some time of the game.

[populartajo]

I guess that's it then. If Tajo's not going to move his vote I'm going to get lynched at deadline regardless of how k7 votes. =/

This isnt precisely the reaction of a townie geting lynched with deadline.

[populartajo]

Meh des is scum. If for some reason he's not, then Ill lose following my instincts.

[populartajo]

Each night you may PM me the name of one player and you will only die that night if that player is killed by a night kill.

If two hiders hide with each other, is it impossible for them to die?

My response: WIFOM.

Who was "a player in a PM"?

[populartajo]

Me.

Lier. Can you hammer yourself?

[populartajo]

Me.

Lier.

What the hell?

When did you ask this question?

[populartajo]

Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:12 am GMT +10

What time would it be in GMT-5?

[populartajo]

Des, what does that question prove?

[populartajo]

Why would you ask a question about two hiders at 8:12 and then post this in the thread at 8:59?

Also destructor, why do you think Korts killed camn?

I don't know. If he'd have even skimmed the last two days, I think she would have been an obvious target. I don't want to speculate much further than that.

I have to admit that besides his characterisation of my play yesterday, Korts play does seem town-ish today. When the day started (and yesterday ended) it looked like pop would have been more than prepared to see me lynched. k7 seemed to be leaning that way as well. So Korts going after pop instead of me was unexpected.

pop, what were your reasons for hiding as you did? Also, why did you claim?

Why did you believe my claim that fast?

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So here's the deal.
Destructor asks Adel a question at 8:42 about two hiders. K7 and myself had just claimed.
At 859 destructor posts this_:

pop, what were your reasons for hiding as you did? Also, why did you claim?

At 1017:

Also, why didn't you hide night 2?

So the questions are:
Why did you believe my claim that fast? Why did you keep asking questions if you already asked a Mod about two hiders?

[populartajo]

Fail

[populartajo]

I was just going to post this:

I just figured out something. If destructor did ask that question that means he isnt a roleblocker. SO maybe we should just lynch Korts and then hide behind him. Risky but it definitely could work.
Where the hell are you K7? Thoughts?

Sorry des.

[populartajo]

Thats what happens when I trust so much a woman....
Just kidding. You played well, your reasoning was awesome but I dont understand the gambit because you were the obious NK when CKD was lynched. I also thought that fight was also scum vs town. Sigh.. only 5 more minutes would have been enough to do the optimal play.
Nicely played Korts. You did exactly what it was needed to win.
GG all. Sorry I couldnt win this for the town but I really was tunnel visioned the last two hours of the game.