Also the set-up is weirder than I am used to
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And this is what, game 240? Gonna discount the zero
My hello post without even a vote gives you a bad vibe?In post 129, Greeting wrote:My early TRs are:
Andante
Vivax
Enchant
Crescent
Order is meaningless.
Rest is kinda ???,geraintm's post 88 kinda gave me a bad vibe, but I'm not giving out a scumread over one post only.
It was hard in that game when 2 other town were useless too.In post 150, Crescent wrote:Also, on a Gera note, pay attention to how Gera holds up over time. The entrance is weak, but also kinda whatever. Gera as scum in a game of 13 basically could not hold up for an entire game. By the time we were in day 3, he had regressed to near-total uselessness.
im voting fred, do i not get a read too?In post 232, Crescent wrote:The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.
Naught points for you, this vote seems bad, and thr next one too.
This feels either very cool town or very coop scumIn post 304, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:I would vote for MegAzumarill if I have an idea of why MegAzumarill is being voted and I consider the reason warranted to vote MegAzumarill.In post 297, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Fred why won't you vote for Meg?
This feels just about the right level of informationIn post 336, MegAzumarill wrote:too much information
In post 336, MegAzumarill wrote:too much information
I had a reasonIn post 343, Crescent wrote:Fred's ISO kinda just makes me want to punch him, but that just appears to be his thing. "Neat."
I'd like to hear some reasoning behind why people are townreading Enchant, because I feel like they've gotten a few random casual town reads and this ISO is almost void of actual content.
Malcolm's new stuff is just post #321.. Which just leads me right into Gera's ISO.
I find it confusing that he votes for absolutely no reason, and later calls attention to the fact that he voted for no given reason... Then shades Enchant for doing the same thing with essentially no justification, but remains on Fred anyway for.. No justification. I want him to walk me through his thought process here.
agree with this. no one should be scum or town read day 1, and certainly not meIn post 374, Andante wrote:this feels like TMIIn post 321, MalcolmTucker wrote:Ger tends not to do much on D1 as a general rule. Vote on Fred could be read as opportunistic and there's not much in their limited ISO so far but it's feasible from town Ger.
VOTE: Malcolm
like, ok so what gerain usually doesn't do much? you used too many words to go "gerain probably town" like, you're trying to justify a TR there, but it's actually a really bad take, cause I have a great example of scum!gerain doing nothing day 1. but going "that's feasible from town Ger" like what?? Gerain should be no where near being called town right now. I'm not saying they have to be a SR, but like, there's nothing in this game so far to push gerain into TR territory
Oh, I didn't realise you meant all the scum were in that group.In post 424, FancyPants wrote:This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.In post 423, geraintm wrote:Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.
I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.
I had meant to UNVOTE: previouslyIn post 424, FancyPants wrote:This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.In post 423, geraintm wrote:Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.
I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.
Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.In post 449, Crescent wrote:Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.
oh, i do vote plenty after day 1, you must have noticed that last game?In post 453, Vivax wrote:The hypocrisy of this post almost choked me through the computer screenIn post 452, geraintm wrote:Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.In post 449, Crescent wrote:Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.
Yes!In post 471, FancyPants wrote:For the love of all that is holy I can we not no-elim on day 1
Yep, naughty points for Lowell. No one was at all close.to get voted off, no one needed savingIn post 474, Firebringer wrote:Do u really think this? this post reads like a jokeIn post 454, Lowell wrote:VOTE: Prince
Prince ducked conveniently away from fred wagon to save his buddy. I will oblige and vote him instead.
Thr is this true was more a way if expressing surprise than doubting your honesty.In post 480, Crescent wrote:Oh and speaking of Gera.. What would even the point of lying about this? Enough people know where I came from, and almost no game there ever requires a majority. I specifically had no vote down on days 2 and 3 of that game for the purposes of course correction if necessary. People are often votehappy and early hammers are a thing. People on day 2 in that game randomly decided to form a mini wagon on someone very late in the day when we had 99% likely scum sitting there. My vote was on said scum with a "no thank you" less than a minute later. They did the same thing on day 3 with suddenly wagoning the wrong option late and I shut that down too.In post 452, geraintm wrote:Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.In post 449, Crescent wrote:Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.
But that ultimately doesn't really work as a playstyle when we actually need a full 9 votes to kill someone. Sudden late counterwagons to a guy on 6-7 aren't really going to be much of a thing in this format.
I wonder why people.are.oicking me as scum.day 1s nowadays? But to call me newb scum is weird. And to say I am thr scummiest person in the game? Is anyone actually voting me to back up that claim? I wish people would so I remember who was trying to get me eliminated laterIn post 486, Greeting wrote:In post 473, FancyPants wrote:Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)
Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell
This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.geraintmis the scummiest of these four.Pookyis just being himself to be fair.
sorry yes you are correct. i t slipped my mind that the person who made the grouping of 4 scumand the person ranking them were not the same person.In post 493, Greeting wrote:I said you were the scummiest of these four, not in the game.In post 492, geraintm wrote:I wonder why people.are.oicking me as scum.day 1s nowadays? But to call me newb scum is weird. And to say I am thr scummiest person in the game? Is anyone actually voting me to back up that claim? I wish people would so I remember who was trying to get me eliminated laterIn post 486, Greeting wrote:In post 473, FancyPants wrote:Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)
Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell
This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.geraintmis the scummiest of these four.Pookyis just being himself to be fair.
Naughty point for youIn post 501, Greeting wrote:I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.
No, but asking for permission to vote someone from another rpkayer to me always seems bad.In post 504, Greeting wrote:Would it be better for town if I tunnelled my main scumread until death/endgame (whichever came first) and stubbornly claimed this is the only way forward?In post 502, geraintm wrote:Naughty point for youIn post 501, Greeting wrote:I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.
not carefulyl no, i just spotted that bit where you asked someone for their reasons for voting someone so you could join their wagon, rather than coming up with your own reasons.In post 511, Greeting wrote:I’m not planning on voting forIn post 510, geraintm wrote:No, but asking for permission to vote someone from another rpkayer to me always seems bad.In post 504, Greeting wrote:Would it be better for town if I tunnelled my main scumread until death/endgame (whichever came first) and stubbornly claimed this is the only way forward?In post 502, geraintm wrote:Naughty point for youIn post 501, Greeting wrote:I am giving you a chance to change my mind and convince me to go with you, it's up to you if you want it or not.
I don't like it
VOTE: megUNOwen, nor planning on getting permission to vote him. I do want to work withVivaxthough, because he’s one of my strongest townreads at the moment.
Are you reading my posts carefully? Or do you just read a few sentences and then make an assumption of what I was doing and form opinions based on that? Because you’re consistently drifting away from everything I say. I don’t remember you being that clumsy in Mini Normal 2267.
This quick wagon sure seems interesting. Gonna note it for laterIn post 592, Andante wrote:In post 582, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:VOTE: bugspray
Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.did bugspray claim maf? what did I miss?In post 587, Vivax wrote:VOTE: Bugspray
Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.
I think this is your second list now scum and me being thr only overlap and yet you aren't voting me....In post 603, Greeting wrote:There is definitely scum in {Lowell,Prince of Paterson,MegAzumarill,geraintm,FancyPants}. Perhaps even more than half of them are scum.
Ah, this is my mistake. I wasthinkkng of your post 486 when you said I was the scummiest of the 4 (which didn't have Meg as one of the four) but it technically was not your list.In post 607, Greeting wrote:That's another misrepresentation. Both you andIn post 605, geraintm wrote:I think this is your second list now scum and me being thr only overlap and yet you aren't voting me....In post 603, Greeting wrote:There is definitely scum in {Lowell,Prince of Paterson,MegAzumarill,geraintm,FancyPants}. Perhaps even more than half of them are scum.Megoverlap. I am going to have to assume that you keep misrepresenting me on purpose. This is anti-town behavior that cannot just be explained by clumsiness anymore.
I am not, however, going to turn my full attention to you now whenMegis at E-2. This could be a ploy to divide theMegwagon and save them from dying today.
In post 130, Greeting wrote:Maybe ifgeraintmis scum, then so isMegAzumarilland 117 was faked as a response to a likely true concern (which both a town and scum player could have). Admittedly though, this could also be scumMegtrying to pocketgeraintm.
Megis playing differently to what I remember, both as scum and town too.
This is a mental note to myself to come back to sort these two later in the game.
i woul like to say i am very interested in resolving these slots at some point because of the above reasons, feel we get a ton of info on people if we flip meg and they are scum. bugspray and those who so quickly pushed their wagonIn post 629, Crescent wrote:I will say though there's a decent likelihood that Bugspray is town if Meg is scum because this counterwagon feels kinda weak and is on arguably the easiest target in the game.
you still havent got over that other people can have lives that are different to yours, have you?In post 671, Crescent wrote:Oh and in response to this: Meg has no posts in 15 hours,
did you hammer after i explicitly unvoted to give them time to claim?In post 736, MalcolmTucker wrote:Happy to vote Meg here given the arguments being presented.
VOTE: Meg
nope.In post 754, Greeting wrote:This is great! I absolutely take back 743 though, as it's entirely possible thatgeraintmwas trying to derail the wagon.
Im making the assumption that this claim is true, and putting bugspray in my strong town pile and Lowell in likely townIn post 761, bugspray wrote:hey just gonna hard claim odd night gunsmith rn and say that i investigated lowell and they do not have a gun
foir the crumb you can see i was immediately trying to challenge someone to a duel and the weapons i offered were all very odd guns
anyhow we yeet freddy
VOTE: frederich with the fucking one avatar of a history looking dude
i don't understand this thoughIn post 762, bugspray wrote:i think scum were3 freaking out in private when the wagon flashed from two at 4 to suddenly azu as the only wagon. one of the at 4 wagons was certainly scum and then suddenly they have to deal with a new wagon ons cum??? just absurd!
not useless, just not a clear. dont be bad mouthing Lowell like thatIn post 765, Enchant wrote:Confirmed Scum Doctor in game.In post 763, Lowell wrote:Yay I’m harmless! Everyone hug me!
Check useless.
i can get going after malcolm thoughIn post 768, Unsure wrote:VOTE: MalcolmTucker the premature hammer is probably last minute bus. MT showed no signs of sussing Meg before that and the excuse is weak. I dont see town MT going for that if theres a risk Meg is green.
who would you have been happy with voting for Malcolm?In post 771, Greeting wrote:No, I'm not going afterMalcolmTucker, especially thatUnsurejumped on that wagon so easily.
VOTE: Unsure
i dont understand this postIn post 785, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Remember now. Vivax mentioned more in the mafia thread or something like that. After that is when all his nonsensical posting started
it did seem a very quick claim. i wouldnt have in that situation, i woul dhave waited to see if any pressure built up on their check before claiming.In post 798, Crescent wrote:It kinda sucks that the only defunct point I've is in the very post I voted him though~
Also I'm just going to let this loose:
I'm actually legit angry at Bugspray for flat out wasting their role on a godawful meaningless claim. Not getting voted off after Meg flipped scum. Too inactive to be worth killing at night. Claims random inno scan for absolutely no reason day 2.
Offensively awful play.
Scum reading Lowell gets you a naughty point.In post 803, Firebringer wrote:i don't like lowell posting that last half of yesterday
same, scum reading Lowell gets you anaught ypoint too. Lowell isn't getting eliminated any time soon.In post 805, Crescent wrote:I actually forgot about this.In post 797, UNOwen wrote:Adante = town.
My hesitation with Fred is that Lowell abandoned the Meg wagon for Fred just as it began to gather momentum, and then didn't return until it was clear the Meg wagon was serious. So it seemed like Lowell might have been trying to defuse the pressure on his buddy which obviously doesn't work if Fred is also scum.
Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though, as he was really pushing that to be hammered after stalling out for so long. It's theoretically "possible" that Meg disappeared intentionally just to let Lowell do this, but that's kind of a total bush-league play.
did you even read Bugspray???In post 806, Firebringer wrote:is this revisionist history. Lowell was being super sketchyIn post 805, Crescent wrote:Lowell ended up probably the single hardest person in the game on Meg's train though,
keepign on trying to get Lowell voted off whilst sayign you trust Bugspray.In post 825, Firebringer wrote:i am interested in what i have done that is shadyIn post 814, Greeting wrote:I suppose I could leave Firebringer and geraintm out for the time being. Although I am not very sure about these two, they have given me some stuff to townread them for, while the rest are all kinda shady.
i dont get this vote at all. but Enchant's reaction is weird.
ok, i can get with the vote but the progression sucks.
you know you get zero credit for the hammer, it just makes your clot look worse and claiming you did ti accidentally doesnt help.In post 877, MalcolmTucker wrote:I didn't even realise I was hammer lmao. Glad I just went for it.In post 757, Enchant wrote:Ultimate obvious bus.
i have no idea what this means
i can see no reason in their post history for this.
i didn't really get GReeting's logic, but it felt like a half decent attempt to read someone. but seems very oppotunistic from vivax.In post 900, Vivax wrote:VOTE: Unsure
Likable counterwagon. The predecessor to the slot had enough scummy stuff going for themselves.
i hate this slot
oh, i didnt see any mention of vivax in your iso to suggest thisIn post 988, Greeting wrote:It was actuallyIn post 983, geraintm wrote:i didn't really get GReeting's logic, but it felt like a half decent attempt to read someone. but seems very oppotunistic from vivax.
BTW, this game's Vivax is 100% different to my last game with them. does anyone else have that vibe off them?Vivaxwho led me to look intoUnsure's predecessor on Day 1.
you know i am going to believe this, right?In post 1112, Enchant wrote:I am Vigilante.In post 1110, Vivax wrote:Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal
my experience with vivax in my last game are so totally different to this one. there they were shitposting townie, only marginally more useful than not mafia. this game....theyve attempted to be an actual functional member of society.In post 1160, Prince of Paterson wrote:I should also note that Vivax shows up on these wagons every time too. I don't think this is especially damning for him, as I've felt since early on that he is town who is often overconfident and often wrong, which is exactly the type of town that mafia would want to hide behind and join their pushes. However, it should be noted, because if he survives to endgame, depending on the flips it could be worth giving him another look.
i agree with this, those rushing today know something the rest of us dontIn post 1188, Firebringer wrote:we have five days and we just got new people in slots.In post 1169, Greeting wrote:If by the time I get back Fredrick A Campbell is at E-1, I will announce intent to hammer and hammer against my better judgement, for the simple reason that it's best to eliminate someone than no one and this still seems to be the choice of most townies. Given the way Day 2 is going, realistically I don't see any other solution, and I would name Fredrick A Campbell as a townlean, not a townread too.
This is not a rush situation
are you calling out your own post on Fred?
because you dont normally pile onto a replacement until they have had a chance to properly post, just bad formIn post 1218, Firebringer wrote:Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?
this is the quaility of posting i expected from vivaxIn post 1223, Vivax wrote:VOTE: MalakittensIn post 1218, Firebringer wrote:Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?
Not so good now eh
crescent's posts area always very consistent, this game and the last. if they can fake this as scum then i am impressed.In post 1234, Crescent wrote:Here's the issue I have with voting Mala right now based on the notion that Fred is town. A Mala flip basically doesn't tell us anything.
If Fred is town, there is an over 90% chance Enchant is scum. If Enchant is scum, Mala's chances of being town go up a little based on DWLee's actions.
Let's sum up Enchant even further now that we've seen more: He unvotes for an awful reason, that also seems to slip knowledge that Fred is town, and has a terrible reaction in response to the scrutiny. On top of this bad reaction, he never makes any effort whatsoever to explain why it suddenly made Fred "town" in the first place, which was the very first thing I asked.
Then he just says **** it, and naked votes Fredfor the third time this game.
Prince's logic for a Fred vote is pretty solid, I'll give him that, but I still hold that Enchant feels like scum who followed this pattern:
A. Hopped from lazy pre-planned wagon (MT) to town wagon (Fred) as MT's wagon was fading off.
B. Found a bad excuse to get off of Fred's wagon so as to not be caught on a town flip.
C. Reacted poorly under the scrutiny of this unvote, but wouldn't actually address why it stuck out as bad. Gave no reason for why this made Fred town.
D. Saw Fred's train suddenly losing steam, and contradicted himself by jumping back onto a guy he just called town for absolutely no reason... With a vote made for absolutely no reason.
This doesn't feel remotely like town progression, and it seems far too ill timed at times and awkward at others to be a bus.
the game Crescent is scum is the game i get owned. i am 99% sure if i have an investigative roll they'll be very near the top of the list of people i'd go visit.In post 1397, Greeting wrote:I guess there also is an alternative explanation, and that is thatCrescentis a deepwolf who became town leader, and that I am absolutely wasting my effort right now.
wasn't i on Firebringer?In post 1400, Prince of Paterson wrote: Sure, I can go into more detail later if you'd like. The short answer is that by the end of day yesterday I started to feel like Firebringer was scum regardless of Fred's alignment. I don't expect to convince you of it and will probably switch to whichever wagon out of Enchant and Unsure needs more momentum. It's mostly a vanity vote. I don't think either are a quick jump though, as both were in my pool of most likely scum.
Lowell is one of those players i have no memory of, andtheir entrance today seems oppotunisitc
another player i have zero idea what they have done this gameIn post 1424, Andante wrote:is there a tldr: investigate guilty anywhere?
In post 1473, Andante wrote:easy. I pushed fred D1, then Malcolm, and I made a case for UNO no one read D2, game was dead I went "ok fine, lim fred" then people unvoted all "idk about that one!!!" fred was town, and here we are. I still hate malcolm's d1 towards me, and UNO is definitely maf for his stance on Meg d1In post 1466, geraintm wrote:another player i have zero idea what they have done this game
I've just been a tad too busy to sit here all day, and especially when this game is just "WHO CAN SHOUT THE LOUDEST" like yesterday... dead game, people went "ok just lim fred" and then there were lots of unvotes and "I'm not sure" like, what? game was dead. yall said "just lim fred and end it" yeah whatever
i wonder how many naughty points one person can accumulate in a game?In post 1487, Vivax wrote:VOTE: MalcolmIn post 1484, Andante wrote:I wanna end day voting in Malcolm/UNO