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its a conundrum bc i wont believe it unless a doc outs but if there is a doc id rather they not out

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VOTE: venmar

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you out one mason and then ur just permanently in some ppls scum pools huh

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well since furtive confirmed theres two masons i just wanna say that i thought ckd was third mason. threw out gimli bc they had already claimed VT and i didnt wanna actually out the third mason when i was on the spot to out them. i only realized shortly afterwards that me thinking gimli was mason wasn't congruous with my faking a guilty on him but i decided id rather look scummy and dumb than out a third mason.

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i mean with two scum left i dont put myself into the position id be in by claiming vt bc that forces a 1v1 that i'm liable to just lose. i'd claim like BP or something bc that looks somewhat townier w a scum BP already flipped.

what are the possibilities for sheep being a vig and failing a shot?

- i got doctored (lol no)
- sheep was jailkept and missed the loud/announcing PM (unlikely)
- i got jailkept and schadd never PMd me (very unlikely)
- i got rolestopped/aliened (unlikely since we're already aware of two jailkeepers)
- sheep got roleblocked (unlikely w two jailkeepers)
- sheep is disloyal (in which case they wouldve cleared me by now)

ok the more I think about this it's kinda frustrating and I think ur strong wolf again

like ur adding a bunch of stuff that obviously didnt happen to make it seem more valid. sheep missed a PM, obviously not what the explanation is. I missed a PM, obviously not what the explanation is. sheep is disloyal and just didn't claim that, obviously isnt what happened bruh. that's half ur list which is too much of a BS effort to seem credible

the only way to approach this would be a very General logic. like "no way there exist any more power roles in this game for the mafia or for the town." but I dont think that sort of analysis is possible at this stage

I think that it's just like, not actually hard to imagine an explanation lol. there are infinite possible explanations technically. maybe they have some cool JOAT, 1-shot role cop, 1-shot rb, whatever. maybe the announcing JK is mafia and targeted the mason N1 to have a villagery claim later. If sky is mafia then obv there are obv additional realistic explanations. just the fact that it's technically totally feasibly possible invalidates a lot of the logics against me.

what bro

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i didnt think there was a reasonable explanation for you being town and now suddenly i think there might be a reasonable explanation for you being town. i dont see how me running thru all the possible explanations is scummy lmao

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i even almost included "sheep forgot to shoot but didnt realize they forgot" but thought that was kind of overkill

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u scumreading me was immensely less frustrating when i thought u were scum

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ill tell ya later

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i think theres like exactly two scenarios in which i mightve possibly been docced

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hmmmm idk with my luck sheep flips vig and then i get elimmed tomorrow lol

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pagetop

oh nvm

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this game has sucked for me for a while now tbh

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I'm starting to feel like sky doesn't want sheep flipped (hence all this flip flopping deliberation and now the vote on venmar) because sheep will flip vig and it'll make her look bad

i mean its a conundrum bc if we flip sheep and theyre town then i die 2morrow and we're suddenly in melo. ill go back to voting sheep as soon as theres hard confirmation that i wasnt docced or etc

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the other problem is sheep deeply feels like miselim bait to me but idk

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kowah is in my scum pool

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well the one that i actually wanna mention at the moment is theres like a combined doc + ?? that would give someone motivation for visiting me. i guess a third one could be like my plan to somehow mindfuck scum into thinking i was a mason backfired and misled a doctor

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who hasnt claimed yet?

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I'm starting to feel like sky doesn't want sheep flipped (hence all this flip flopping deliberation and now the vote on venmar) because sheep will flip vig and it'll make her look bad

i mean if that was the case i dont flip flop, i just hard defend sheep here or something. and i dont bring up the fact that them flipping vig would make me look bad

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claiming BP would be one way. arguing for the presence of a scum roleblocker/rolestopper/alien/jailkeeper/etc.

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i think after claims are done i might go back to sheep bc i think that their little flip flop on me could be indicative that they realized me flipping town looks rlly bad for them and then realizing im the strongest/most likely viable counterwagon if they dont wanna get elimmed today. and their recent reasons for scumreading me are ???

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also sheep what does FPS mean

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im talkin from sheeps POV not my own

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oh wait i get what u mean. eh idk. maybe theyre partners!

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oh yeah no one else besides furtive slot claimed to have been visited

this is why i think furtive is a deep wolf

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oh yeah no one else besides furtive slot claimed to have been visited

this is why i think furtive is a deep wolf

Dragons confirmed they were masons, he has to be town

sorry i thought that i was pretty transparently shitposting

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So i think Venmar is mafia who was roleblocked N1 from performing kill.

walk me through this line of thinking, I feel like I am missing something.

two jailkeepers in the game but only one claimed so the other could be a scum jailkeep

venmar got jailkept and there was no scum kill the night he was jailkept and if the second jailkeeper is scum then scum wouldn't have been shooting furtive anyways

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im fine w either but im going to get nasty with the AtE if sheep flips town

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not having a good day today i probably won't get nasty i just really don't wanna be in that situation

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i think i'll be done playing mafia soon and just stick to good ol' modding

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there's more tolerance for stupid ideas when modding

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also pretend my vote on sheep. they called my play FPS which stands for fancy player syndrome in poker and they ignored questions about what FPS means twice. thinking they realized that calling my play FPS seems to carry an implication that they're calling me dumb town so they're just dodging explaining the acronym to avoid the tmi slip.

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*pretend my vote is on sheep

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battle goose

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there's more tolerance for stupid ideas when modding

thought you were going to wait for ATE

if you think that's AtE you haven't seen anything yet!

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all things considered this has been a fun game I'm just being dramatic

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what is your scum pool looking like?

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if sheep flips town this game gets extremely hard so id rather figure some more shit out

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i think sheep is probably scum but ye im nervous !!

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or i could lol hammer and take all the glory of a potential scum flip

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but i think with how things are going sheep will flip town if i hammer and flip scum if i dont hammer

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see now that someone else hammered sheep will flip scum

thank me later

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i got announcing jailkept btw

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am i clear yet

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i got announcing jailkept btw

why

am i clear yet

no

1) bc i decided to check my text messages before i posted
2) oh

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yee

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all what i say this game is harmful for town somehow

me too!!!

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i guess furtive can be town since this supposed announcing jailkeeper actually exists

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i kind of think enchant can go back into my potential scum pile. they went from like confident enough to make me green in a reads list a bit ago to wanting me killed before sheep without much explanation and i think that could be indicative of needing my miselim on the table to win. also feel like their frustration at the start of this day is weird.

need to think more though

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leaning towards announcing jk being town. if the announcing jk is scum then venmar would be clear here but ye.

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furtive was more likely saved than venmar blocked but ye

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hu tao looking townier? they were the only one to vote me yesterday and i think that scum would wanna distance from sheep

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by that logic i should be townreading enchant hmmm

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by that logic i should be townreading enchant hmmm

How useful is the logic of 'scum always bus' really?

not necessarily an "always bussing thing" idk i just feel like there would be a lil more distancing. tho enchant did end up on sheep in the end ig

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Why are we assuming that 2nd JK is mafia anyways?

it was a speculation i made yesterday bc the jailkeeper never outted but after being jailkept last night am p sure that the jailkeep is town bc 1) theyd need a multitasking modifier to be scum and 2) their actions make sense as town over scum

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i think ive been on every town flip and off every scum flip wow

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clearly jailkeeper wanted to protect me for my stunningly dangerous reads rather than try to block me

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but ya im clear barring like me being a strongman or something ig

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actually can an ascetic even be strongmanned? i might just be entirely clear

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lookin at ofhrz's post:

ya i think like 4 clears is the norm; 2 masons plus two jailkeepers feels kind of overpowered but the loud is kind of negative utility bc theyre liable to get outted as a PR immediately, and scum also learn about the announcing jailkeeper's existence as soon as one of that jk's targets outs. ascetic is kindddd of a millerish kind of thing bc they dont get the loud or announcing stuff and cant be protected. uhhh i think announcing jailkeeper is probably town bc this would be scumsided if they were scum!

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1-shot bodyguard feels out of place here

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VOTE: drew

claim feels weird and looking at his iso i dont like the way he tries to push people off of sheep onto malcolm while simultaneously trying to claim credit for the sheep wagon lol

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1-shot bodyguard feels out of place here

Why do you feel that?

like an instinctual thing? idk how to describe it but it looks out of place alongside the jailkeeps and masons. itd be so much protection

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VOTE: malcom

How come?

Ew, ew........ewwwww

Can we agree that no matter what Sheep flips, Malcolm is next.

Like I don't even need to read anymore of their iso.

Furt, I offer condolances to your fallen comrade, they were a true patriot. But maybe malcolm is a better vote for today?

Tbf, I kind of was the lead on the sheep wagon. Furt kinda, ahem.....sheeped me.

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i think the way youve gone about approaching sheep is sus

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i started to second guess myself and then i saw that reads list

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idk venmar could also be the last scum here! just wanna explore this too. sorry if im wrong. ive been wrong a lot.

also at the time i was scumreading venmar i thought the announcing jailkeeper was scum which would make venmar mechanically scum (or protected by NJAC's jailkeep but eh!) because scum would know furtive was protected and make a different shot.

now im thinking the announcing jailkeeper is town. i think if the announcing jailkeeper is town and venmar is scum then that would have most likely been included venmar's defense earlier. but venmar's defense was based on him speculating he couldve been defended via NJAC which is such a bad defense if he knows for a fact the announcing jailkeep is town (which he would if he were scum). so i think venmar is always town tbh.

and if the announcing jailkeep is scum then venmar mechanically has to be town since he was jailkept n1 and the announcing still happened.

are you asking me why scum would wanna distance from their partners? lol

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idk im kind of paranoid about most of the players left unfortunately but i think drew is who i wanna push

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ill probably wind up sheeping furtive !! hope im right that that dude is town

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my venmar read is a little moon logicky i think

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flavor and andante both have more posts than me and they both last posted a month ago lmao

okay im done for now

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UNVOTE:

aaaaaaaa my brain cell

moon logicky basically just as in like my head is in the clouds and its a bit of a reach in immediate hindsight

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After Greeting was Mason. He was the only one defending him day 1

Gotcha.

My tinfoil does say it actually could be Sky(OMGUS.....I know I know).

They have been on the woe is me my reads are so bad tip for a bit, not to mention them refusing to hammer Sheep with some AtE.

counter argument: i was jailkept lol

its not rlly a "woe is me" anymore i think its kinda funny at this point

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i will probably wind up sheeping furtive

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we could wagon me for old times sake

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ya i think im down w that

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my gut says to vote drew so

VOTE: venmar

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i wonder how much i wouldve been yelled at this game if i wasnt funny

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you have my sword

VOTE: furtive

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wait fuck

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VOTE: drew

lol

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it'd be really funny if i was on exactly zero scum flips

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i did not bring my "A game"

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tally ho!

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hey!!! i thought you were a bodyguard!!!

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anyways if venmar is town then i humbly request for scum to yeet me

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in fact i'm a night six six-shot cop so the only winning move is to kill me

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shh i dont want them to know my actual role

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how did venmar's dad take the scare

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gg!!! sorry for like getting paranoid about you at the end drew

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my instinct after outting a mason was to just rep out but i was like nah i'm not a coward. worked out i guess.

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i think i quite literally did everything wrong this game

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schadd is one of the best moderators on this site; definitely my favorite

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in fact schadd is probably the only mod that makes me wanna play a large game

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flavor could probably entice me into joining a large too tbh. also RC.

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have the masons decided to keep their secrets